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I've rewritten the article diff, since the 'breast-tax' was not a tax to cover the breasts, but a head-tax, imposed on all women aged fourteen and older. The idea that the 'breast-tax' was imposed when lower-caste women wished to cover their breasts is contemporary folklore, and untenable; they were not allowed to cover their chests at all untill 1859. Sadly, those editors who wish to delete this article seem to miss this point... Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:25, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PS: I will solve the syntax-errors; they're probably related to the notes. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:45, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article certainly needs a better title for now because "breast tax" can be easily misrepresented to mean the contrary to the actual meaning. An immediate solution would be to move the article to "Mulakkaram". Wareon (talk) 14:00, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds reasonable. And what about the/a next step: merging this article to Nangeli, or vice versa? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:31, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nangeli is the main topic while "breast tax" found coverage only after BBC published Nangeli folk legend. Merging necessary parts to Nangeli would be alright. Azuredivay (talk) 17:57, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I expect there are also arguments for the other way round, and for keeping tw distinct articles. But anyway, who's going to open a merger-discussion? Preferably with two questions: 1. Merger? 2. If so, which direction? Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:09, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree too. Dhawangupta (talk) 18:15, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Breast tax is the WP:COMMONNAME and both words are same, so opposing it. The AfD agreed to keep "breast tax". Wareon is striving to go against the tide and move it to Mulakkaram. Start a merger-discussion if you so desire.103.13.229.228 (talk) 05:06, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Breast tax is the WP:COMMONNAME as per above and to a Start a merger-discussion can be started on this as well. Mulakkaram also means Breast tax in Malayalam language and with both words agree with above as to why this change is being done. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:18, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cite error

I've had to move some of the notes into the main text, as they were causing cite errors (see Help:Cite errors/Cite error references group mismatch). This appears to be an issue with defining ref group names inside named ref groups, inside a refgroup list. ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 16:20, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved a couple of them to a note above the reflist. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:02, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

blocked address

This blocked person is vandalising Breast tax.[1].CoachEzhupunna (talk) 13:25, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Adithya kiran chekavar

Travancore kingdom was located inside Malabar Coast. Adithya kiran chekavar created new account (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Malayalee0121&action=edit&redlink=1) again also. He will create new account again and again to delete content if he sees bad for his Thiyya/Ezhava caste pride. Admins block him. Warning: He will come again also. I add new images only. But he will come again to delete it als. He will use many account or address. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoachEzhupunna (talk • contribs) 13:12, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He attempted delete the image https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Tinanweib_von_Malabar.jpg&diff=612603564&oldid=576865107 — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoachEzhupunna (talk • contribs) 13:29, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He think Thiyya is better than Ezhava and all lower caste. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoachEzhupunna (talk • contribs) 13:36, 9 December 2021 (UTC) CoachEzhupunna why this comment is relevant to this article?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malayalee0121 (talk • contribs) 16:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I warned .Malayalee0121 edited this page 14:47, 8 December 2021, 172.103.134.113 edited 14:51, 8 December 2021. 4 min difference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoachEzhupunna (talk • contribs) CoachEzhupunna I understand your frustrations. But the pictures are not related to this article. Why pictures of Thiyyas who have been historically living in Malabar area added to this article which writes about the tax only applicable to historical Travancore state. Travancore, Kochi and Malabar were seperate states until the formation of Kerala state. Also why are you accusing anyone without evidence. Thank you ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malayalee0121 (talk • contribs) 15:42, 10 December 2021 (UTC) Travancore is located inside of Malabar coast and Kerala. It is related because women are stopped to to wear cloths.u hate this because of caste pride only. CoachEzhupunna (talk) 16:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He is blocked. He will edit using other accounts. CoachEzhupunna (talk) 16:48, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Irrelevant pictures

Some of the irrelevant pictures are being added to this article. Travancore was a vassal state for the British until 1947. So the rules were reflecting orthodox Hinduism. But the Balabar was under direct rule by the British where the rules and regulations were more westernized. The breast tax was imposed on Travancore citizens, not Malabar. The pictures of the Tiyya woman and the Tiyya people are from the book named "Castes and Tribes of Southern India" Vol. 7 of 7 by Edgar Thurston & K. Rangachari. It clearly states that the book only examined North and South Malabar, not Travancore. Please do not post the pictures if they are not relevant to the article. Thank you.

Anyone needs reference please see the links below,

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/42997/42997-h/42997-h.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travancore

the book named "Castes and Tribes of Southern India" Vol. 7 of 7 by Edgar Thurston & K. Rangachar book was also tells about Travancore. Read it correctly. Travancore is located inside of South Malabar. I feel you are tricking other editors because the pictures are telling about kerala only. Read the book properly first. Malabar is a area only not a kingdom or a state.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/42997/42997-h/42997-h.htm CoachEzhupunna (talk) 10:39, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image

User:Joshua Jonathan, User:Pharaoh of the Wizards : Iam requesting to adding some images I added here in this talk. Travancore is located inside of Malabar coast and also inside of South Malabar. The book is also telling this only. If you don't believe me then read the book. Choose the correct image for this page.

CoachEzhupunna (talk) 18:42, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]