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Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2022

change first MCU film to The Incredible Hulk 2601:403:C201:F030:9566:4E93:92DB:9CB5 (talk) 08:08, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 08:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Small change in Feature Films section

I would like to make a small change from this:

Marvel Studios releases its films in groups called "Phases".[1][2] Phase One consists of Iron Man (2008), The Incredible Hulk (2008), Iron Man 2 (2010), Thor (2011), and Captain America: The First Avenger (2011), and concludes with the crossover film The Avengers (2012).[2][3] Phase Two comprises Iron Man 3 (2013), Thor: The Dark World (2013), Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014), Guardians of the Galaxy (2014), Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015), and Ant-Man (2015).[2]
Captain America: Civil War (2016) is the first film of Phase Three, and is followed by Doctor Strange (2016), Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017), Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017), Thor: Ragnarok (2017), Black Panther (2018), Avengers: Infinity War (2018), Ant-Man and the Wasp (2018), Captain Marvel (2019), Avengers: Endgame (2019), and Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019).[2] The first three phases are collectively known as "The Infinity Saga".[4]

Into this:

Marvel Studios releases its films in groups called "Phases".[1][2]
The first three phases are collectively known as "The Infinity Saga".[4]

This separates out Phases 1 and 2. -RoyGoldsmith (talk) 02:21, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this change needs to be made. Prose/paragraph work just fine. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:42, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Favre1fan93: Sorry for the delay. Why not? -RoyGoldsmith (talk) 08:47, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The prose/as a paragraph is fine. No need to bullet out the info. Especially since comparatively, phases one and two are so small, having them in one paragraph together is fine. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:22, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference DailyDotPhases was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ a b c d e f g h Cite error: The named reference DigitalSpyPhases was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference DisneyAvengersIM3 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference FFHInfinitySaga was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Using the Direct for Timeline orders

With every new project, it seems like The Direct (usually an unreliable source) is the only site that makes an article about where the project is on the Disney+ timeline and including such listing in an article. For these instances only, given the site is literally pulling the material from Disney+, not citing it to a Reddit or Twitter user, do we feel it would be ok to include them as reference here? I'm leaning towards slightly yes, again given what is being reported on, but still believe in other instances The Direct should not be used. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 14:45, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be fine using them just because their info is directly coming from Disney+ like you said. We can always update refs if other sites report on the timeline in the future. -- Zoo (talk) 14:49, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
CBR has just posted about it. —El Millo (talk) 15:29, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that since The Direct is directly getting it from a verifiable primary source, we can make an exception and cite them for the timeline. I'm leaning towards them because they usually post the full list and are consistent after every update, like Favre noted. — Starforce13 17:31, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think we could go with that if we waited a few days and there were no reliable sources available. —El Millo (talk) 17:41, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We can use The Direct as a temporary source before another source (probably a low-caliber but still reliable one like ComicBook.com, Screen Rant, or CBR) picks it up, just like how we're using What's on Disney Plus on the I Am Groot right now. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:05, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Or, as an alternative, we could directly cite https://www.disneyplus.com/brand/marvel and tag it with {{Primary source inline}}. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:09, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I did see the CBR one, for this time, right after I made this discussion. @InfiniteNexus: we are currently using the direct Disney+ citation I believe to support the One-Shots in the order. Otherwise, I agree with what everyone else has said. If after a week or so from a new MCU series releasing, no other source discusses how it's added to the timeline, let's go with The Direct. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:46, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with that rationale. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:26, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline

In the timeline, you have it as Falcon and the winter soldier, shang chi then eternals. But thats the wrong timeline order. Its should go Eternals (2023) Shang Chi (2024) falcon and the winter soldier (2024) as eternals is late 2023, shang chi is mid may-april and falcon and the winter soldier is may 2024 92.9.56.95 (talk) 23:38, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's not incorrect per reliable sources and Disney+. Eternals is around Far From Home. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:16, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's actually true that the Disney+ timeline is wrong. In Shang-Chi there are talks about the Qingming Festival which takes place in early April (shortly before The Falcon and the Winter Soldier), so that would be put in consideration. This would not be the first time Disney+ has a mistake in the timeline order, as they have previously put Black Widow after Black Panther, and still have Iron Man 3 after Thor: The Dark World, which is also wrong. On the other hand, Eternals's timeline is a bit ambiguous, so I don't know about that. This GamesRadar article talks about the Qingming Festival in the film: https://www.gamesradar.com/shang-chi-timeline-mcu-marvel/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.239.28.58 (talk)

"Sarah Halley Finn" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Sarah Halley Finn and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 18#Sarah Halley Finn until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 19:35, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Moon Knight and Disney+ timeline

I would like to know what do you think about this ScreenRant article regarding Moon Knight and its placement in the Disney+ timeline https://screenrant.com/moon-knight-mcu-timeline-moon-phases-2025/

Also, do you think Doctor Strange 2's recent placement in Disney+ is wrong? (I personally do)

And for the last, do you think we shouldn't trust 100% in what Disney+ says? (based on other previous mistakes) AxGRvS (talk) 10:13, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The placement may be right if they're considering it's after most of No Way Home but before its brief epilogue during Christmas. —El Millo (talk) 12:30, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I need to re-watch still, but wasn't there something said that stated roughly how long it had been since NWH, which pretty firmly put the movie in 2025? -- Zoo (talk) 14:20, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A Fandango Media article (I believe a direct interview with Sam Raimi) stated Multiverse of Madness takes place a few months after No Way Home, which is reliably sourced as mostly occurring in November 2024 (so this should be around February/March 2025, but perhaps that's WP:OR/WP:SNYTH). Something isn't adding up. — SirDot (talk) 14:30, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here it is, but that statement is in the article's voice, not said by Sam Raimi. So technically the Disney+ timeline would have more weight than that. —El Millo (talk) 15:25, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In the movie itself, during the restaurant pizza scene with America Chavez, Dr. Strange said the events of No Way Home happened a few months ago. Personally, I believe this might be an error on the Disney+ side that's going to be fixed soon or later. This isn't the first time they've made an error in the timeline and adjusted later. For the sake of avoiding WP:RECENTISM, I would say, let's wait a couple days to see if they stick with this timeline or if they'll move it. — Starforce13 17:21, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like a reasonable decision/choice to make. I have no issues with waiting a couple days to see Eternals-MoM-Hawkeye stick or if MoM is placed after Hawkeye. — SirDot (talk) 17:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, yes that's the scene I was thinking of. I knew there was something said in the movie regarding how long it had been since NWH. At the very least D+ just needs to switch it with Hawkeye on the timeline. -- Zoo (talk) 18:24, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree as well this appears to be a mistake. For the time being, I reverted the add of the film to the timeline tables here and at Phase Four, but have include the new Direct article giving the full listing as it currently stands. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:53, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Right move. The film itelf clearly takes precedence over the Disney+ timeline. —El Millo (talk) 21:41, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I also think the Disney+ placement is wrong, but at the restaurant scene, the line is actually "Most recently, there was an incident with Spider-Man". He doesn't say months have passed. AxGRvS (talk) 23:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, it says "most recently" - I've rewatched it. But for now, let's wait maybe a week just to be sure it's not a mistake. If they stick with it, it will be safe to assume Multiverse of Madness happens between the Statue of Liberty battle and the final NWH scenes that take place over the holidays.— Starforce13 00:11, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The official Doctor Strange account tweeted acknowledging the Disney+ timeline placement before Hawkeye. So, it's safe to say this isn't a mistake. (I believe this is the first time a Marvel account has ever acknowledged the Disney+ timeline, probably because they anticipated the disbelief.) So, I think we can restore it. We might also want to update any 2025 references to Fall 2024. cc @Favre1fan93, Facu-el Millo, AxGRvS, and ZooBlazer:. Thanks. — Starforce13 03:48, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So it seems. It takes place between most of No Way Home and its last scene, in a similar fashion to how Black Widow is set between most of Civil War and its last scene. Of course this bit is OR on my part and can't be added until reliable sources say the same. —El Millo (talk) 03:51, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, any talk from viewers (including us) on whether the Disney+ timeline is right or wrong is pure OR/speculation. Marvel.com reaffirms the full Disney+ timeline order as well. If there is an RS that notes how this does not make sense, we can sure note that, but I think we should just play it safe and go by what Marvel/Disney says regardless of whether they're wrong (WP:VNT). It's not our job to fact-check their accuracy. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:26, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and updated it using the official Marvel.com reference that @InfiniteNexus: provided. We wanted to wait at first to make sure it wasn't an error since the change was surprising. cc @SirDot:. Thanks. — Starforce13 14:17, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
New Rockstars did a new re-analysis and one of the details Erik Voss pointed out was the broken watch at the beginning of the film, which when looked at carefully, says Tuesday, November 23. Disregarding the wrong day of the week (since that date is from 2021 IRL), this makes it obvious MoM takes place between when the final spell cast is in NWH and its epilogue at Christmas. So the Disney+ timeline is correct. --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 20:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Far From Home on Disney+ timeline

Disney+ Japan has added Spider-Man: Far From Home to its timeline (after The Falcon and the Winter Soldier), here's an article from The Direct: https://thedirect.com/article/spider-man-far-from-home-mcu-timeline-disney AxGRvS (talk) 17:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ignore it, since TFATWS is set 6 months after Endgame (in April 2024) while FFH is set eight months after Endgame (in June/July 2024). Both explicitly mention this within their respective media. Also Shang-Chi is pretty much known to take place around April given the setting it takes place in too. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 21:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For our purposes, it won't adjust our time line here. However, we can use the source for the Disney+ portion at the bottom of the "Codifying attempts" subsection. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Incredible Hulk on Disney+

I added that 'The Incredible Hulk' is available in Disney+ Japan but it's not included on the timeline, which I think it's notable for being the only Marvel Studios film to not be included on the D+ timeline. However, it was reverted. I would know if you think it's notable for adding it again. AxGRvS (talk) 14:50, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I only saw The Direct mention it in their Far From Home article. If there is other coverage of it, then I'd say we could add it back, but I don't think it should be noted. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MCU Timeline Diagram missing all non-Disney TV

While the MCU TV shows from ABC, Netflix, etc seem to be referenced in the body of the article, they are all missing from the diagram. I thought that it may just be showing movies, but it also includes Wandavision, Hawkeye, etc. Is there a reason AOS, Daredevil, and these other shows are excluded from the timeline?

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