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Titles

Please don't add titles to Prince William until they have been officially announced just because Charles is now King does not automatically mean he's now Prince of Wales or Duke of Cornwall, he will in future be titled and referenced as such but until it's been officially announced he is still just Duke of Cambridge. SimonD

You are correct that the title Prince of Wales must be conferred. You are incorrect, however, that the Dukedoms of Cornwall and Rothesay do not pass automatically. They do. Charles held these Dukedoms since 1952 as the heir-apparent and son of the monarch, but wasn't created Prince of Wales until years later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddgently (talk • contribs) 18:19, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He is William, Prince of Wales this is the title held by the heir apparent and should be used in article title ChefBear01 (talk) 18:46, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, it isn't. It is a title generally used by the heir apparent, but not automatically. So until it is conferred, he is not it. Aredbeardeddwarf (talk) 21:49, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's a "substantive" title, so it's not just a matter of being used, as with a courtesy title, but it'd have to be be granted in the first place. (Previously there was a big faffy "investiture" ceremony; they might do that again, but I assume all that's actually required is letters patent stating this to be a done deal.) 109.255.211.6 (talk) 23:03, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The big faffy investiture happened when Charles was 21, several years after creation of the title; and was, I believe, the first in centuries. —Tamfang (talk) 00:36, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For "generally used by", read "reserved for" – that is, unless I am misinformed, the king is not free to make anyone else prince of Wales or earl of Chester. —Tamfang (talk) 00:34, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have added his Scottish titles which automatically passed upon his father's succession. Panthro (talk) 22:42, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2022

YOU LEFT OUT INFORMATION ABOUT HIS MOTHER DIANA. WHY???? THE ROYALS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ERASE HER FROM BRITISH HISTORY, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE TOO. VERY DISAPPOINTED!!!! 67.52.26.126 (talk) 14:48, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Most information is at Diana, Princess of Wales, but there are many other articles on her too. DrKay (talk) 14:55, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Why are you shouting? You might have a bee in your bonnet, but the use of capital letters where they are not needed is unnecessary in this instance. It has been quite rightly ignored by DrKay

RASAM (talk) 21:03, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Duke of Cornwall

I'm assuming, when the Queen Elizabeth II passes. We'll be changing this article titles to either Prince William, Duke of Cornwall or Prince William, Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge. He doesn't become Prince of Wales, until the monarch bestows that title on him. GoodDay (talk) 16:31, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

yes, officially he became Duke of Cornwall the moment the Queen died and Charles became King, and this title has precedence over Cambridge so it does need to be changed Bodrugan (talk) 17:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They have announced that William is now officially referred to as Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge, it's been on the TV news Bodrugan (talk) 18:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't he now prince of Wales? cookie monster 755 17:50, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

no, Prince of Wales is a title given by the monarch and is a new creation each time. The Duchy of Cornwall is a constitutional anomaly, it's existed since 1337 and still exists even when there is no Duke. It automatically transfers as soon as someone becomes the heir apparent (who is also the son) of the monarch. Bodrugan (talk) 17:55, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not automatically. There's no Prince of Wales at the moment as the title has merged with the crown, but Charles will presumably create William as Prince of Wales in the next couple of years. Charles became Prince of Wales in 1958, six years after his mother became Queen. NekoFever (talk) 17:58, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I should note that the title Duke of Rothesay acts in the same way as the dukedom of Cornwall. This dukedom is senior to Cambridge, so it would make more sense to refer to him as Prince William, Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 20:17, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It would, but we don't have a basis for that usage in Wikipedia practice. The hierarchy is very much What the Papers Say > legal/heraldic/formal/official names > anything that actually makes sense. I'm guessing there will be a followup announcement about his distinct style in Scotland and indeed in Northern Ireland, and maybe they'll end up with something more logical and less clumsy. After workshopping every other possibility. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 20:56, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A reference has been added, and Rothesay added, although not in the title yet. Gealstrix (talk) 10:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Heir

Mention that he's now first in line 2001:8F8:1125:AC9F:6506:3D3:4CC:8C70 (talk) 17:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2022 (2)

Prince William is not Prince of Wales yet (it's not automatic, he needs to be invested as such explicitly by the King), so please correct the article accordingly. Mill haru (talk) 17:56, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2022

This needs to now reflect that he is the Duke of Cornwall. Angeliquenh (talk) 18:08, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have an official source? Being the Monarch is instant, but do all the other titles cascade down instantly or do they need to do paperwork for it to happen? - David Gerard (talk) 18:25, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Certain titles are automatically granted to the heir apparent (only males to date) of the British monarch: Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Renfrew, Lord of the Isles, and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland. The titles of Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester have to be specifically granted and are done in conjunction with each other. Metheglyn (talk) 19:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Already done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:46, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of Arms.

Query: Does Prince William's coat of arms automatically change to now bear a plain label of three points as heir apparent to the throne, or does this change need to be gazetted first?

I ask because I know that the coats of arms of the Royals are special, and not subject to the normal rules. 79.79.96.116 (talk) 18:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Just as he is automatically Duke of Cornwall, he automatically acquires the Arms of the Duke of Cornwall (just as his father gets the Royal Arms undifferenced.) He also now has a plain label as heir apparent. 2601:646:8D00:4AC0:8121:FF2:462A:DA78 (talk) 00:35, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Surname

"Both Princes William and Harry used Wales as their surname for military purposes; this continues to be the case for William since his creation as Duke of Cambridge." Wrong tense, I suspect, as the source given relates to his time as a notionally 'serving' member of the RAF, which is clearly long since no longer the case. I suggest a change to "continued to be the case for William after". (Feel free, O people with accounts to make such a change; otherwose, if there's no comments either way, I'll make an edit-semi-protected request.) 109.255.211.6 (talk) 23:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Was he still in uniform at the time of his wedding? I remember his uncle was "Lt HRH The Duke of York". —Tamfang (talk) 00:32, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In future he might

Should this not read as - In the future he might - Meaning below taken from Google the i replaced future with the meanings and the second one makes more sense. - In the first example “in future” means “from now on and always”. It is often used in the context of changing habits or behavior, and may form part of a reprimand (such as in the above example). In the second example “in the future” means “at/from some future point in time”

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2022

Change: "He is the elder son of King Charles III and Lady Diana Spencer." to "He is the elder son of King Charles III and the late Diana, Princess of Wales." 104.54.35.2 (talk) 00:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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