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New priminister

Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme

I'm not sure about this content. I think it probably fits better into the UK coronavirus article. The first sentence is also not phrased neutrally. Bellowhead678 (talk) 20:20, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Removed it for the 2nd time. Debates around government policies are normal in a democracy, but this does not mean we need to stick all that into politicians' biographies. — kashmīrī TALK 20:49, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It needs to be pointed out that 3 million people have been excluded from his scheme that "helps everyone". https://www.excludeduk.org/excluded-uk-an-inclusive-alliance-for-the-excluded — Preceding unsigned comment added by AVMan61 (talk • contribs) 06:39, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2020

Hi I want to add the names of Rishi Sunaks daughters under his children section citing this source https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10964687/who-rishi-sunaks-wife-akshata-murthy/ HiramWikiMan (talk) 16:22, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

​We usually don't mention the names of children unless they're independently notable, and also The Sun can no longer be used as a source on Wikipedia. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:15, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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"has taken his oath at the House of Commons on the Bhagavad Gita since 2017.[84][85]"

This is quite a bizarre thing to bring up to talk, but it begs the question, what did he do in 2015? Is there any text or video documentation of the swearing-in in 2015? Indian sources are usually very happy to bring up the successes of the diaspora, but the only story they have in May 2015 is on an Australian MP. This Indian source from 2019 criticises British Hindus for taking an affirmation instead of an oath, so one would think they'd have done the same in 2015 had Sunak just affirmed? Unknown Temptation (talk) 22:18, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

he's not a member of Parliament if he hasn't taken the oath. 92.5.77.165 (talk) 14:43, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's not really answering the question at all. If in 2017 and 2019 he swore on the holy book of his faith, as sourced in this article, what did he do in 2015 and why have no sources, including India- and Hinduism-related ones covered it? FYI you don't need to take an oath to be an MP. Atheists, or denominations forbidden from taking oaths like Jehovah's Witnesses and Quakers, affirm which has the same legal consequence but does not take the name of God. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:25, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think you raise a fair point here. I've reviewed all the RS noted (and a few more) and find the subject of 2015 to be omitted. While accurate, "since 2017" clearly implies that he did not do so previously, which is not supported. Nor should we adopt the language that says he did. I see two options: a) changing to "since at least 2017" or b) removing "since 2017." I believe the latter is less suggestive and the best of all three constructions, and have updated accordingly. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:22, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Second lord

As the Chancellor is now always Second Lord of the Treasury can we stop treating it as a separate office for the purpose of these succession boxes? It just complicates matters. PatGallacher (talk) 18:17, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keir Starmer's opinion on Sunak is ____

Why does half the political positions on the page have a contrary opinion at the end of them from Keir Starmer? No other political pages appear to do this. 121.99.77.200 (talk) 10:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Section on the Ready For Rishi campaign?

Since Rishi Sunak has announced his campaign bid, I think an expanded section in the article body mentioning this is needed. 89.243.125.209 (talk) 16:22, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It seems the domain "readyforrishi.com", which re-directs to "ready4rishi.com", was registered in December 2021: [1]. So maybe planning ahead of any government crisis? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:54, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It definitely seems that way. --89.243.125.209 (talk) 19:39, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

40.5% increased majority?

Page states Sunak in 2016 reelection won an increased majority of 40.5%. By definition, a majority is greater than 50%. The correct term is plurality 2600:1015:B061:F712:9CE5:85FA:8E68:646B (talk) 07:26, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The tables at 2017 general election all use the word "majority". Martinevans123 (talk) 07:33, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is a different (British) meaning of the term majority. In the use here, it indicates the difference between the first and second place candidates. Sunak received 63.9% to his opponent's 23.4%, a difference/majority of 40.5%. Of course, this also means that Sunak actually did receive a majority of the total vote share (not merely a plurality). GreatCaesarsGhost 19:44, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox image edit war

There seems to be an edit war on Sunak's infobox, it's constantly been changed from the 2020 image to the 2017 one, and vice versa. I believe the 2020 image is better for the infobox, it's a more up-to-date picture and was taken when Sunak was the chancellor (his most recent ministerial job). But I'd be interested to see what other users think about this. 89.243.125.209 (talk) 23:35, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see an edit war. I see one user reverted to an older photo without rationale. Flipped back to the 2020, but discussion can continue here. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake; I see it now. @MattFullerTV: can you please weigh in as to your preference for the older photo? GreatCaesarsGhost 01:18, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2022

You need to include in the section on his work during Covid, (Redacted) Source: ExcludedUK website. Your current entry has nothing but positive stuff. It's a fan letter, not an accurate reflection of the subject. And locking it against amendment is a disgrace. You're supposed to be at least pretending to be unbiased. 46.69.61.61 (talk) 14:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Can you be clearer about the source you're providing to support these claims - exact URLs, please. Claims as extraordinary as this will also require more reliable sourcing than an advocacy website. — Czello 14:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2022 (2)

When you write about ExcludedUK, don't forget to mention that an All Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) (the largest in history) was set up to investigate why Sunak had chosen to exclude nearly 4 million people from any help, and to lobby for him to change his policy. 46.69.61.61 (talk) 15:34, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:38, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"The upcoming Conservative party leadership election"

Could this be updated as the election has started now, should be changed to "the ongoing Conservative party leadership election". It's also worth mentioning in the leadership bid section of the article that Sunak is currently leading the polls, followed closely by Penny Mordaunt. 89.243.125.209 (talk) 08:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

done, I just removed the "upcoming" as it wasn't ongoing when he made the announcement. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. But more information on Sunak's leadership bid is needed for this article. --89.243.125.209 (talk) 16:50, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The correct pronunciation of the last name

I believe the correct pronunciation of the last name should "ʃunak", the first syllable should be "ʃ" and not "s", "ʃunak" shows up in vedic history while "sunak" does not not. Also, the name should be in the native language Hindi as well, "ऋषि शुनक" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Singlesimple (talk • contribs) 20:03, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

nah, we are in england not in india 86.220.145.123 (talk) 10:01, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is issuance of a fixed penalty notice worthy of mention in the lede?

I'm not a Brit, but from what I read, a fixed penalty notice is like a citation from the police in the US for a minor infraction, like driving one's automobile with a taillight out. It is currently mentioned in the article lede: "...being issued a fixed penalty notice for breaching COVID-19 regulations during lockdowns."

Question: is this a fact worthy of the article lede? in a BLP? I would think not, but happy to see what others think. N2e (talk) 00:08, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, in the UK it's comparable with a speeding fine - you don't go to court unless you want to contest it. Normally not worthy of mention in any bio article. But in this case, I'd say yes, it should be mentioned. He's in Category:People fined in the Partygate scandal and that should be supported in the text. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:57, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, there was a strong consensus to delete that category at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 19#Category:People fined in the Partygate scandal. – Fayenatic London 09:11, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal

We should remove the undue emphasis on a minor infraction from the lede in this WP:BLP of a British politician. It is the equivalent of a minor traffic fine or placing one's bin out in the wrong location. So to the extent it is notable, it certainly can be mentioned in the article; but it is not lede-worthy. Attn other commenters on the matter: Fayenatic,Martinevans123, N2e

  • SUPPORT—as nom, I support this proposal. It is simply undue emphasis on a very minor event; doesn't warrant over attention in the lede of this BLP. Just feeds the clickbait nature of news cycles and political scandals, where political factions play against each other. As a non-Brit, I'll also say I believe that playing these squabbles out with significant emphasis has no place in Wikipedia, even if it is incentive compatible for the news rags to do it.N2e (talk) 17:49, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree and have removed this from the lead. To be reincluded in the lead it would need to have substantial coverage in the body of the article, which it currently does not.----Pontificalibus 11:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More information on his leadership campaign is needed in this article

Is the opinion of Jacob Rees-Mogg really more worthy of being in the leadership bid section than anything about Sunak's actual leadership campaign thus far? Why is there little to no information about it here? 89.243.125.209 (talk) 22:14, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No evidence of Punjabi descent

I have, previously, added a little note to say that the claim he is of Punjabi origin requires a citation, as it isn't supported by evidence. While it is noted that that bit has now been corrected to say simply he is of "Indian" origin (a fact not in dispute), further down the page there is a repeat of the claim that he is of "Indian Punjabi" origin. It provides a link to a book, as a citation to support this claim. However, the book does not state that he is of "Punjabi" origin, but rather that he is of "Asian" and "Indian" descent (it uses those words).

I am therefore removing the word "Punjabi" until someone can provide evidence for that claim. I am not referring to his diminutive stature and peculiar appearance here, which suggests he is more likely of Gujurati or some other regional Indian ethnicity. I am simply trying to uphold the standards of Wikipedia. Therefore, if anyone has any actual reference to him being Punjabi (as Sunak is not a recognised name) then I invite them to post it and provide details and a reference that actually supports the claim. Zubedar (talk) 17:58, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, a related question, what is his first language? Could he become only the second British PM not to be an English native speaker? PatGallacher (talk) 20:25, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And while we're discussing such things, do we really have to use that ghastly phrase "of colour"? If skin colour matters, we should say what his skin colour is; if it doesn't matter, we shouldn't mention it. Those who care can look at the photo. Mhkay (talk) 14:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lead image question

Why isn't the most recent official portrait (2020) being used? I think this is a pretty good lead image portrait. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:06, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree , and have changed image back to one that has been stable for a while.
The augment for change was official parliamentary image to be consistent with other MP's article entries. However, I don't think consistency isn't a very good augment as many MPs using 2017/19 portraits is only because there the best quality (or even only) images available under free licences. Additionally, it doesn't take in to account that most cabinet (or former cabinet) members use the most up to date portraits (see Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, Kemi Badenoch, Penny Mordaunt, ect.). Cakelot1 (talk) 09:57, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2022

change the last sentence from: "He in turn lost the Conservative leadership race to Truss, garnering 42.6% of the vote" to: "He in turn lost the Conservative leadership race to Truss, garnering 42.6% of the vote while Truss gained 57.4%" Raguzz (talk) 21:23, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done It's a bit superfluous. Truss's vote share is already implied by knowing Sunak's, as it's a percentage. — Czello 21:28, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2022

Add to “October 2022 conservative leadership Bid” section on 23rd October 2022 at 10:38 a.m Sunak declared his bid for conservative party leader and Prime Minister of the United Kingdom He was the second candidate to officially declare their leadership bid after current leader of the House Of Commons, Penny Mordant on 21st October 2 days before Sunak. Sunak was also the first candidate to cross the threshold of 100 Members of the party backing him, his opponent (Penny Mordant) lagging behind him in polls. Zac Hollinshead (talk) 13:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done please provide a source for all content to be added. Polyamorph (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
source 1 GB News- https://www.gbnews.uk/news/rishi-sunak-confirms-bid-to-replace-liz-truss-as-prime-minister/379701
source 2
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/10/21/penny-mordaunt-tory-leadership-race-prime-minister/ Zac Hollinshead (talk) 17:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
information is up to date as of 23/10/2022 or 10/23/2022 Zac Hollinshead (talk) 17:54, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2022 (2)

Why is the image under the user box squished? I'd like to fix it. 82.8.141.201 (talk) 18:12, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2022

The value of Infosys should be in billions not millions when discussing personal life and wife. 70.176.83.61 (talk) 03:46, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the sentence in the "Personal life" section is stating that Murty's 0.91% stake in Infosys is worth 746 million pounds, not that Infosys as a whole is worth 746 million. It could perhaps use a bit of rewording to make that clearer. – numbermaniac 10:09, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2022 (2)

He won the Conservative leadership election and is incoming Prime Minister. TheJamesifer (talk) 13:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Already merged MBihun (talk) 13:09, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone explain why my changes keep being undone? He is Leader of the Conservative Party and incoming PM, which is how Truss was described at this stage. He is NOT PM officially yet. BeaujolaisFortune (talk) 13:10, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prime Minister

Mr. Sunak is not the prime minister as of 24 October 2022 @[[User:13:10 UTC. However, the wikipage specifically says he is at the beginning of the article. Seriously? Please fix as anything biased shouldn't be up there.|13:10 UTC. However, the wikipage specifically says he is at the beginning of the article. Seriously? Please fix as anything biased shouldn't be up there. 50.232.32.18 (talk) 13:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed this now BeaujolaisFortune (talk) 13:14, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First POC PM

After the dust settles, there ought to be mention of his premiership being notable for him being the first person of colour to hold the office of Prime Minister.

BAME could be an alternative descriptor here Brosefzai (talk) 13:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any sort of consensus on where Disraeli fits into this discussion? SamRCossey (talk) 13:40, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Disraeli's father left Judaism and Disraeli became an Anglican at the age of 12. But I believe he still practiced Judaism and 'bigged up' that heritage. He is the first British prime minister to have been of Jewish origin.
I think it's safer to say Sunak will be the first British Indian PM. I'm not sure where the land lies on first non-Christian (Would you class Disraeli Jewish or Anglican). Lanerobertlane (talk) 13:54, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose it comes down to the distinction between a religious grouping and ann ethnic grouping. As far as I know, Jewish heritage is protected under the Race Relations Act and is not connected to whether an individual is practicing or not. There’s certainly a sometimes heated debate about whether or not people of Jewish heritage are an ethnic minority or not. I would say they are but I’m no expert on the subject. SamRCossey (talk) 14:00, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

European Jews seldom see themselves as “just white” but in turn they never view themselves as “POC” or “BAME”. Nor would I or anyone sane allow them to. I also feel this is a step over the limit to put any great emphasis on him being non-white. It would be a lot more noteworthy if someone of a White Working Class background became PM. For emphasis of course, it would also be even more notable if someone Black British or Chinese British became PM. Also the Wikipedia mobile app is garbage so sorry if this formatting is off.2A00:23C4:3E08:4001:3D44:645E:3A24:7601 (talk) 14:20, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose this [2] is just an opinion piece, but it suggests what I thought about the term "of colour": In the UK the term is, at best, seen as old fashioned and "something your gran might say, But it's also regarded as a highly offensive racial slur which recalls a time when casual racism was a part of everyday life. GhulamIslam (talk) 14:40, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2022 (3)

change photo under “Rishi Sunak”’s page to a highly accurate photo of the individual himself. 51.14.173.122 (talk) 13:14, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2022 (4)

Rishi sunak is now british prime minister 94.189.14.134 (talk) 13:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No he is not. He is Leader of the Conservative Party and until King Charles says so, Truss is still PM BeaujolaisFortune (talk) 13:17, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

30/500 protection escalation

The current Semi-Protection on the page is largely ineffective at stopping vandalism, given one revision of the page here.

Could the page's protection be escalated to 30/500? I'm not sure how the protection stuff works but it could help with stopping vandalism for now. TotallyCreativeName (talk) 13:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Although I wouldn’t qualify, perhaps someone who does can try to make the change I have had undone 3 times now which is to describe him as “due to be appointed Prime Minister of the United Kingdom” to (a) be consistent with how we described Truss at this point and (b) clarify to readers that this has been updated and will be further updated. BeaujolaisFortune (talk) 13:24, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2022 (5)

UK Prime Minister 37.60.66.42 (talk) 13:23, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See discussion above BeaujolaisFortune (talk) 13:24, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not yet. Until the King says so, Truss is still PM. TotallyCreativeName (talk) 13:24, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done for the reasons stated above MBihun (talk) 13:29, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2022 (6)

Kongu RenuGopal (talk) 13:32, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrectly shown as Prime Minister

It's probably a long shot but **please** do not call Sunak 'prime minister' or 'prime minister-designate' (this role doesn't actually exist)


He will be Prime Minister when he is formally appointed. MBihun (talk) 13:32, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

“ when Graham Brady declared him as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom” - this is complete nonsense also but I’ve given up trying to edit this page as it keeps getting undone BeaujolaisFortune (talk) 13:52, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2022 (7)

he is pm now 2A02:C7C:5044:C000:D99F:E966:2855:EB3D (talk) 14:08, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done He is not. — Czello 14:18, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article is too biased to wards this Pajeet

Change it, the first non European Leader of Britian or any european country I know of not counting jews

A friend used to work at a store I always saw lots of indian looking foreigners and they were all a head shorter than me, he is a manlet! 5'7 feet! 80.102.106.180 (talk) 14:43, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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