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John Edward Bush

Sorry I didn’t get back to the John Edward Bush article I see you made big progress, I found he was in the National Reform party (with Robert Wilcox) and broke away, forming the Liberal Party. I also suspect he may have been in the National party before that, but didn’t do much digging to confirm it. I found while doing the C.B. Wilson article in the book Johnny Wilson: first Hawaiian Democrat (I attempted to find it in the library but failed) Bush was a speaker at the local Democratic convention in 1900 (I assumed he joined the Democratic Party), but I ran across a quote form Hawaii Ponoi calling him a “Home Ruler”.

I won’t alter that article, I will leave this to your discretion.

Hawaii Samurai (talk) 09:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

P.S. Where did you find all that information!

DYK for Charles Coffin Harris

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DYK for John Edward Bush

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Photo Mauna Kea Adz Quarry

Trying to help clean up photo requests from the Wikipedia requested photos of Hawaii. For Talk:Mauna Kea Adz Quarry, there was a photo request. Looks like in August you moved this article to Mauna Kea Ice Age Reserve, which has no photo request on its talk page, but a photo on the article's main page. I didn't want to just delete the original photo request, as I was not involved in the move and don't know if a photo existed before the move. Just bringing this to your attention for however you want to handle it. Maile66 (talk) 00:26, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Indent

Please indent your comments by prefacing them with a series of colons (:) if other users also indent their comments before yours.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:01, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

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Aloha!

Nice to see you! I was beginning to worry. Awien (talk) 00:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for David Dwight Baldwin

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Category

I started the category for the Members of the Hawaii Territorial Legislature. It should help. Eventually categories will have to be done for the Legislatures of the Kingdom and Republic of Hawaii. Thanks-RFD (talk) 22:27, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Your DYK

Hello! Your submission of Moss Landing Wildlife Area at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! --Mbz1 (talk) 00:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Moss Landing Wildlife Area

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Family Trees

I like your small family tree they are really convinient. But can you not mention House of Kalokuokamaile on the House of Kamehameha tree and vice versa since it makes no sense for you to only include one collateral line of the House of Kamehameha but not the others. I think you should just focus on House of Kalokuokamaile when you are talking about that family and House of Kamehameha when you're talking about House of Kamehameha. Good luck.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking more of personal family tree for each family or maybe even personal trees for each person (I thinking of creating one for Keopuolani). Kamehameha's family tree is really irking me right now, I still think it should only mention Kamehameha's family and not any of his brothers, plus in my opinion Kalokuokamaile's descendants were the least influencial in the Kingdom's history out of any of Kamehameha's siblings. Also I wonder if we should mention Keopuolani descent from Keoua herself and if we should include Pauli Kaoleioku and his descendant, Bernice Pauahi and Ruth Keelikolani or do we need individual trees for each line of Kamehameha's children. The most important of Kamehameha's children would be those by Keopuolani, Kaheiheimalie, and Kanekapolei, so there would be probably no need to include everyone of his wives and children. PS: the names are starting to slip in my head too. I used to be able to memorize most of the names.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:26, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

No, no don't take it too seriously. I just mean that part about his brother seems like it doesn't fit. I was just asking if you wouldn't mind me removing that part of that tree.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:50, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Really? Is it too far to the right? Because I have my web page all the way expanded when I look at it, and it seems fine. I was trying to avoid that since that was what was happening in List of monarchs of Hawaii. Anyway, it's suppose to show Kaahumanu and Kaheiheimalie as sisters not spouses, the four cross is suppose to be Kamehmameha and Kanekapolei and giving birth to Pauli Kaʻoleioku. The generation problems is a doozy. Does family tree usually go by generations? The weird thing is Kaʻoleioku's line were older than any of the other line of the Kamehameha dynasty, so his children were comtemporaries of Kamehameha's youngest children: Kamehameh II, Kamehameha III, and Kinau. BTW enjoy a nice trip to Chicago, I'm going to Taiwan this year this Christmas Break. Aloha!--KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Pauli is below Kamehameha now. I was able to show Kamehameha's marriage to Kaahumanu which I think is really important to note, she being his most famous wife. Do you know how to color code it? I think there should be a key showing what solid lines mean and what dotted lines mean and also the gender of the person since Hawaiian names are unisexual.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry for the trouble with the images. There is even more images I uploaded from sites. I thought they were pictures taken in the 1800s which would make it okay to use since their copyright expired. There were a few that I was sure was from the Hawaii State Archives or the Bishop Musuem.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:13, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Frederick S. Lyman

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DYK for Hilo Masonic Lodge Hall-Bishop Trust Building

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James Joseph Patterson

I reverted your excision of marriage of James Joseph Patterson and Barbara McMartin. I am working on references. History amateur (talk) 13:24, 21 December 2010 (UTC) The references I've found so far are mostly on the Barbara McMartin side, during the years she went by the name Barbara M. Patterson.History amateur (talk) 13:31, 21 December 2010 (UTC) Here's one external reference documenting the use by Barbara McMartin of the name Barbara M. Patterson: http://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=35566. She appears to have used that name from the time of her marriage to James Joseph Patterson until their divorce. There are Westchester County government records on their joint property ownership and their divorce whilst they resided in the town of Croton-On-Hudson, New YorkHistory amateur (talk) 13:58, 21 December 2010 (UTC).

You just excised Barbara McMartin again. I cited the divorce in the Westchester County records. Much of the public documentation of their marriage is copyrighted by the New York Daily News in the form of photographs (of which I have copies). It should be sufficient to document their divorce and I have done so. Please stop excising of their marriage and divorce. Thanks! History amateur (talk) 21:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

You are correct, Barbara McMartin first married someone named Long, then divorced Long and married James Joseph Patterson (in Mexico), then divorced Patterson (in Westchester County, NY) and, finally married W. A. Reid (again, in Westchester County, NY). Meanwhile, Patterson remarried Clarke. Patterson was indeed excommunicated from the church for his marriage to McMartin. The divorce of McMartin and Patterson is in the public records in White Plains. I have cited same. It is not a matter of belief. Obituaries are generally based on content provided by the survivors, in this case Clarke. So it was quite reasonable for no mention to be made of the marriage to McMartin. You too can see the divorce decreeHistory amateur (talk) 22:22, 21 December 2010 (UTC). If the divorce decree is not properly sourced, I welcome your suggestions.

Thanks for your kind words of encouragement. I would be tempted to include the dissertation advisor listed in http://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=35566 (Joan Dyer) but, as far as I know, that citation contains incorrect information. Dyer was the chair of the examining committee, but not, I believe, her advisor. I believe, but can not be sure, that her advisor was either Alex Heller, Wilhelm Magnus, or Gilbert Baumslag. McMartin specifically acknowledges Baumslag and Magnus on the mathematics in her dissertation. Separately, I have received photographs of McMartin and Patterson (which I have permission to use) that I could upload, however the technical quality is poor. I'm not sure it is worth the trouble. The better photographs are all Daily News copyright, and, thus, unusable. Again, thanks for your assistance! History amateur (talk) 23:51, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Frederick S. Lyman

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		The 50 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		Like bank executives, evidently we give ourselves awards? W Nowicki (talk) 19:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Chiefess Hao

Aloha. Do you happen to know anything about the Chiefess Hao of which Kawaiahao Church was name after? I don't think I've ever heard anything about her beside the spring story not even any geneaological connection. All the Haos I know are male: Hao of Oahu and Chief Hao, the grandfather of Laura Konia. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:23, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey W. I was just wondering if you know if this photo is Kahinu Hoʻolulu, Kinooleoliliha's sister or Mary Ann Kameʻehiwa Tressilyn who was another Mrs. Beckley? Knock, knock, anyone home?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:09, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Chauncey McCormick, Hickory Hill (Glasgow, Virginia)

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Invitation to join WikiProject United States

Hello, W Nowicki/Archive3! WikiProject United States, an outreach effort supporting development of United States related articles in Wikipedia, has recently been restarted after a long period of inactivity. As a user who has shown an interest in United States related topics we wanted to invite you to join us in developing content relating to the United States. If you are interested please add your Username and area of interest to the members page here. Thank you!!!

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Jerome Case

Props for expanding it! I hope your planning on nominating it for DYK. Daniel J Simanek (talk) 01:31, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I did not think it was enough of an expansion, but yes, it seems the previous stub was 304 bytes according to the pagesize tool. So hope to nominate it tomorrow. Still waiting for approval of William Grigsby McCormick, etc. alas. W Nowicki (talk) 01:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Louis de Freycinet

On my talk page, a while ago, you asked me to do a little bit of work on this article. However, I quickly discovered that his wife was much more exciting: Rose de Freycinet is now at DYK. Thanks for the suggestion! Drmies (talk) 04:13, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Hawaiian politicians

Do you think there should be a list of Kingdom of Hawaii politicians with all the different ministers, chief justices, privy council, and etc? BTW answering you're last question, I don't think you should create a Beckley family article cause it's just too messy and I was just asking.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:11, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I think a list would be better choice as long it's linked to all the pages, and instead of a table on the monarch's page we can just have the link toward that list because for monarchs like Queen Liliuokalani and King Lunalilo it would be short and easy but Kamehameha III would not. And any table will take up a considerable large amount of space on the monarch's article and diminish the scant content in these articles. A big giant list of all the politicians would be a great idea, but it should be a table rather than bullet points with the political position, their function, how they are elected and etc.; we can include the governors and chief justices into it too as well. I found this site that has a complete list with dates and all to all ministers. BTW what's the difference between the Cabinet and the Privy Council? I know a lot of Hawaiian royals but absolutely nothing about how the government worked. Mahalo nui! PS check out my user:page!--KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for William Grigsby McCormick

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:04, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Chauncey McCormick

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hickory Hill (Glasgow, Virginia)

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jerome Case

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Aniheneho and Irini

Aloha. Do you happen to known who was Aniheneho and Irini who were drawn by Jacques Arago? You seem to be able to tell that 'Ooro was Hoolulu even.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:08, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Miller Reese Hutchison

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

New England Dwight family

Hi, I made some adjustments in the Leavitts of Suffield. But right now I have a touch of the flu, and it may be tomorrow before I can finish adding dates, etc. Regards, MarmadukePercy (talk) 00:14, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. Some of those families are quite hard to keep straight, as the names keep repeating. (Right now I'm looking at an original piece of correspondence written by Thaddeus Leavitt Jr.) It may be tomorrow before I can add any more, but if I'm feeling better in a bit I'll try to make some small fixes. My only interest is in the Leavitt-Hunt families. Thanks and regards, MarmadukePercy (talk) 00:32, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Emailed you off-wiki re:the entry. MarmadukePercy (talk) 01:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Nice to see you've incorporated some of the Hooker data too. The Leavitt lines also connect to the Hookers. See Thomas Hooker's wiki entry. (I'd add, but probably won't be on here again this evening.) Thanks and best, MarmadukePercy (talk) 04:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

There are many interconnections between these families. I've been working on the Gilman entry for three years, on and off. And in New Haven, it's hard to miss the Woolseys. The name is sprinkled about the Yale campus. MarmadukePercy (talk) 01:38, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Jeanne Galzy

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Four Hawaiian Youths

Aloha. Do you happen to know what happen to the other three Hawaiian youths that were sent to the Foreign Mission School besides Henry Opukahaia and Humehume. Thomas Hoopoo, William Tenooe and John Honoree.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:06, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh I understand, but they deserve some mentioning. Maybe on ʻŌpūkahaʻia's article. Mahalo!--KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:44, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Augustus Wade Dwight

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Hawaiian Kingdom Politicians

Do you know anything about the all different Boards of... and Secretary of... during the Kingdom of Hawaii?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:12, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Medill

Nowicki (talk | contribs) (14,874 bytes) (remove copyright violation on University logo) Medill is part of Northwestern, hence there is no copyright violation on University logo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Journalist1899 (talk • contribs) 17:38, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Big Island National Wildlife Refuge Complex

I don't see any discussion over at Talk:Big Island National Wildlife Refuge Complex. Viriditas (talk) 03:08, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I have now just copied your original discussion to the talk page of BINWRC, which you placed on the target of the merge rather than the article to be merged.[1] Viriditas (talk) 03:11, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Reasoning was stated back in October. If you want chapter and verse, I would say WP:COMMONNAME. The article was misleading, making it sound like there are two separate entities, while most of the FSW documents call it two units of Hakalau. My guess is that someone had delusions of grandeur and thought that a second refuge in a "complex" would sound better, but the money never got appropriated so the Kona land is effectively just a "unit". If you would have looked at the history, you would have seen that I first proposed merging into the "complex" direction until looking at the documents more carefully.

Please don't take this wrong; it is meant to be constructive. But keeping quiet for four months after the proposal, waiting until the proposal was done, and then quicking over-ruling it, is not the best way to encourage collaboration. If you really had such strong thoughts about it, contributing to the discussion then would have prevented wasted effort and frustration. It would have shown respect for other editors time instead of ownership. No wonder contributors get scared away. Life is too short. W Nowicki (talk) 19:27, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I never saw the proposal or the merge until yesterday. I don't remember being aware of it previously. Was I? Please try not to make assumptions. I apparently placed my talk page comments in the wrong place. I'm not at a computer right now (on the phone) but if you could move my comments from the complex talk page to the refuge talk page, I would appreciate it. I'm willing to see things your way, but as the comments make clear, the complex is a subset of another designation, of which the two refuges are subsets themselves. We also see the complex convention in wide use on Wikipedia, so your merge would break that naming convention and structure. Viriditas (talk) 20:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Henry Martyn Whitney

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Afong

Aloha. I don't know how busy you are, but if you have time, you should created an article on Chun Afong.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Harry Whitney article

Could you advise me? I was prompted to add citations to Harry Whitney. I have a named citation for his book (name="hunting"). Is there a simple way to include page numbers for different citations using the name? Or do you need separate references to the same book, different pages? I thought that a tutorial page showed that you could use name="huntingp42", but it didn't work. Thanks. Wildcatman99 (talk) 18:23, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mahalo (linguistics)

The article Mahalo (linguistics) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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DYK for Charles Guillou

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Kahakuhaʻakoi Wahinepio

Aloha! Do you know anything about Kahakuhaʻakoi Wahinepio? I'm in the middle of creating an article for her and was wondering how long and when was she Governess of Maui? You say in Hoapili articles that his term started in May 1824, and if Keeaumoku's reign as govenor ended March 1824, then that doesn't leave her any room to be governess. Hiram Bingham said in page 313 of his A residence of twenty-one years in the Sandwich Islands that Hoapili was appointed by Kaahumanu to succeeded Wahinepio after her death in 1826. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:16, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I will put those arguements into account, but what do you think about Wahinepio's early life. There is hardly anything about how Kalanimoku and his family gain power in the government of Hawaii. Did her father serve Kamehameha I or was she captured by Kamehameha I in 1790 among the retinue of Queen Kalola? Also do you know which one is more correct Kahakuhaʻakoʻi or Kahakuhaʻakoi or Wahinepio vs. Wahineopio? Can you help me translate Kahakuhaʻakoʻi or Kahakuhaʻakoi depending on which is correct. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:51, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Biddle family

I see that you are doing good work on the Biddle family. I created Owen Biddle, Sr. and I have looked at family trees and other information at the Historical Society of Pennsylvania, where I am a member. Please let me know if I can be of any assistance to you in that regard.

Currently I have been working on reducing the number of unassessed Pennsylvania articles. If you can set the class and importance on any Pennsylvania articles that you come across, I would appreciate it.--DThomsen8 (talk) 12:13, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for noticing. I am not related and have only been in Philadelphia once about 40 years ago, but ran across them via Charles Guillou above and the Cadwalader family, etc. So am doing a little work linking them together and filling in citations etc. as I find the time. Verifying the family tree would indeed be helpful. Bits of it are scattered around in various places. Some papers are in Delaware as well as HSP. Are there any photos with expired copyrights, for example? I just found a wedding of A. J. Drexel Biddle in the Library of Congress but not the best.

One issue we need to agree on is how to sync the Biddle disambig page vs. the "family" one. Especially are the last three or four who claim a relationship but do not have reliable sources to support it. Usually the historic family trees do not go into the present, often end at the 19th century, etc. W Nowicki (talk) 23:11, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Does Barry Biddle, aka Barry L. Biddle, belong on the Biddle pages? I suspect it is pure self promotion, but I don't have time to chase it right now. After May 17, I will be devoting more time to Wikipedia, but for now I must leave minor issues to others, like you. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:56, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Oops, "Barry" looks like a mistake or vandalism so I took it out. Clearly needs to have article first that survives AfD. I waded into a swamp of ver bad articles in a totaly different area that will take time to sort out. See below. W Nowicki (talk) 16:17, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Barry Biddle created this entry, and I could not find anything notable about him with Google. Just as well you deleted that line. --DThomsen8 (talk) 23:50, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

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Coach Glenn Warner of the Naval Academy

Do you have the year of birth of coach Glenn Warner of the Naval Academy, who graduated from Springfield College ?--80.203.102.99 (talk) 12:46, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Huh? The only coach Glenn Warner I know is Glenn Scobey Warner better known as "Pop Warner" who coached Stanford etc. Looks like you mean someone else. I quick google search turned up the book America's greatest coaches by Mike Koehler - 1990 page 131 isbn 9780880113304. To find the facts you might want to give a call to someone at the Naval academy, though of course you would need a verifiable source to include in an article. Also a quick search shows "Glenn" might have been a nickname, since an F. H. Warner is shown to have done a masters thesis at Springfield in 1941. I see other publication by Glenn F. H. Warner too. And I see an National Soccer Hall of Fame induction of Glenn F. H. Warner in 1992.

Ah, I see am obit for Floyd Hall "Glenn" Warner died December 21, 1997 that says he was 87, so born in 1910? http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1997-12-29/news/1997363058_1_severna-park-glen-burnie-anton-schmitt W Nowicki (talk) 17:38, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. (Glenn Warner(1910)). --80.203.102.99 (talk) 23:33, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Well OK, but an article without any sources could very well be deleted quickly. And of course the convention would be to put a space after the name and before the parens. The year was just a guess, in theory it could be 1909 or so if he was born on ecember 31, for example. W Nowicki (talk) 23:38, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Elizabeth J. Feinler

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Haalolu

Aloha, W Nowicki! What have you been up to lately? I've been focusing on improving the articles on the Hawaiian nobilities. I just curious if you can answer some question I have.

Do you know if Haalolu, the first husband of Sarai, wife of John Papa Īī and executed for adultery with one Kamehameha's queens; and Haalolu, governor of Molokai and father of Haalilio and Haalelea were the same person or not?

Also do you know anything about Daniel Papa Īī, brother of John Papa Īī, other than what Kamakau said about him; he seem to be a notable figure being involved in the forming of the legal system of the Kingdom of Hawaii.

Mahalo! --KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh that's too bad. Mahalo. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:33, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Aloha. If you are not too busy could you write a little about the original Honolulu Hale that served as a the Kingdom of Hawaii's governmental building and post office. I've found two pictures of the building. Mahalo.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Elizabeth J. Feinler

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Clymer family

If you ever finish the Biddle family connections, perhaps the prominent Philadelphia Clymer family is also worthy of your attention. I did a bit with the Clymer disambig page, but there are several more Clymers in Wikipedia not listed there, and perhaps even more not in Wikipedia who should be there. Also, in a family list, if not the disambig, there should be dates, and relationships where well established. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Here is my preference: on the disambig page, list in alphabetical order with only the vital years and notability summary. For a small enough family, I like a template like {{Castle Hawaii family tree}} that goes on each page. If there are only two or three members, then sure, putting relationships in the dab page can work. But once you get cousins or several generations, it gets very awkward to fit on the dab page. (e.g. "son of X, brother of Y, cousin once removed of Z....) So more that three or four people deserve their own "X family" page. If the tree template gets too large, then I prefer what was done in the New England Dwight family. Indentation is used to show the generation and people are listed in order of birth. This is not always as readable, but better than trying to enumerate all n-squared relationships. Prose and photos are also good, as in the Crowninshield family. Now Biddle family is a birth-order list without showing relationships at all. I was proposing to change to the format in the talk age, but ran out of time. W Nowicki (talk) 16:38, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

That's a very informative reply, and I will follow up on it after May 17. Biddles and Clymers and even Muhlenbergs are old Philadelphia families that continue to be notable today in Pennsylvania and elsewhere. --DThomsen8 (talk) 23:54, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

The Great American Wiknic

Hi there! In the past, you've expressed an interest in local meetups of Wikipedians. Well, here's your chance! On Saturday, June 25, we'll be joining Wikipedians in cities all over the country for the first annual Great American Wiknic -- the picnic that anyone can edit! We'll meet up at a park in SF -- hopefully in the sun -- all other details are still in deliberation!

If this sounds fun, please add your name to the list: Wikipedia:Meetup/San Francisco/Wiknic and add that page to your watchlist. (And of course, feel free to edit that page with your ideas, questions, etc.) I look forward to wiknicking with you! -Pete (talk) 00:49, 25 May 2011 (UTC)