Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 2

March 2

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 2, 2023.

Primary State Highway 23 (Washington)

Primary State Highway 23 (Washington) → Primary State Highway 6 (Washington) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Meant to be a redirect for "State Road 23"; no Primary State Highway was numbered 23 (per WSDOT's 1965 log). Should be deleted per WP:RDEL#2. Sounder Bruce 03:01, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nonexistent. BhamBoi (talk) 08:20, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above: nonexistent. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 19:29, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Primary State Highway 6 was numbered as State Route 23 until 1926. While that is 9 years before the introduction of the Primary/Secondary State Route designations, this seems to be a plausible enough redirect to me as the shift in numbering can take a while to get adopted to by everyone so it's possible there was overlap of using the old numbering system and yet the new naming system in unofficial usage. TartarTorte 13:33, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as non-existent. The gap in time precludes confusion between numbering in one system and numbering in another. Imzadi 1979 → 10:12, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 06:03, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Regards, SONIC⁶⁷⁸ 23:06, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per TartarTorte as a plausible search term. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:27, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Greek ethnographers

Greek ethnographers → List of Graeco-Roman geographers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Greek ethnography → List of Graeco-Roman geographers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Roman ethnography → List of Graeco-Roman geographers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Greek ethnographers → List of Graeco-Roman geographers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Should be deleted. Geography has nothing to do with ethnography, they're two different disciplines. Per WP:RFD#DELETE #2 (confusing) and #5 (makes no sense). Mikeblas (talk) 21:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per nom. WP:RFD#D10 may well apply also. A7V2 (talk) 23:54, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per the above and to encourage article creation. Glades12 (talk) 06:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note that this bunch came from an RfD about Greco-Roman ethnography. -- Mikeblas (talk) 16:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per Glades12. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:30, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pendar

Pendar → Zoroastrianism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention at the target. I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Veverve (talk) 21:12, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This existed as an article between 2006 and 2013. Its main content was: Pendar (Persian: پندار pendâr) is a Persian word meaning "thought" or "imagination". It is used by Zoroastrians: Pendar-e-Neek ("Good/Honorable Thoughts") is one of the three main pillars of Zoroastrianism, Iran's ancient religion. We have articles about the specific Zoroastrian concepts (like Vohu Manah for 'good though'), but I'm not sure the Farsi names are used for those, and pendar by itself seems like just a component of these terms, not a distinct encyclopedic concept of its own. So I think the redirect can be safely deleted, and this will have the benefit of revealing in the search results some unrelated minor topics with the name. – Uanfala (talk) 13:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. — The Anome (talk) 21:46, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
An article with this title was earlier moved to Kenneth Pendar, and later Pendar became a dab with the Kenneth article as an entry, which then became a See also entry, and then was removed by an IP with no explanation. Jay 💬 09:07, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate to Kenneth Pendar, Seyed Pendar Toufighi, and Mohsen Pezeshkpour, all as personal names or nicknames. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 07:12, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:40, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I also support the DAByfication, but as a second choice after deletion. Veverve (talk) 11:58, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate per LaundryPizza03 as a valid ATD. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:54, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate per LaundryPizza03. Makes more sense as a disambiguation. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:32, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Saghani

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was wrong forum (non-admin closure). 176.88.80.215 (talk) 20:01, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Saghani → al-Saghani (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

At present the article's name is al-Saghani, but the correct version is Saghani. Saghani currently redirects to al-Saghani—it should be the other way round! Amitchell125 (talk) 16:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Amitchell125: it seems as though you are looking for requested move rather than RfD? A7V2 (talk) 23:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly, but I cannot move the article myself because of the redirect. Amitchell125 (talk) 07:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Either I or anyone will close as a wrong forum. 176.88.80.215 (talk) 19:54, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Drug epidemic

Drug epidemic → Crack epidemic in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect, originally created in 2009, directs to a specific drug epidemic in the United States. The crack epidemic of the 1980s and 1990s fails WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this redirect. Crusader1096 (message) 15:57, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like a notable topic, and I'm surprised there doesn't seem to be a suitable overview type article for this. I think delete per WP:RFD#D10/WP:REDYES, but disambiguation is an option, with potential articles including Crack epidemic in the United States, Opioid epidemic in the United States, Opioid epidemic, Drug addiction in Pakistan, Drug crisis in Scotland, Drug overdose#Epidemiology and statistics and Substance abuse#Epidemiology. A7V2 (talk) 00:34, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This is a pretty clear case of WP:REDYES; a page on the general concept of a drug epidemic is warranted. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:04, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete to encourage the creation of a standalone article. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:34, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 05:21, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SNIN

SNIN → Super Nintendo Entertainment System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I’m unsure what this term is. This term is not mentioned in the target article and Google doesn’t tell me anything related to the SNES. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 15:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

IIRC this abbreviation was used in fr:Joypad (magazine) or fr:Consoles +. Apokrif (talk) 20:37, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete while I believe this was meant to be an abbreviation for Super NIN tendo I have never seen anyone write the name of the system like that or pronounce it that way either.--70.24.249.205 (talk) 03:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Building off of the information provided by User:Apokrif, I was able to find the connection between the two. SNIN (or SNin in this example) is a French-term for the SNES. In fact the French article fr:Super Nintendo uses the same redirect: SNIN. I think there might still be a question of if it is in use enough to justify the redirect, but there is a connection. --Super Goku V (talk) 23:04, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If that’s the case, then this should probably be deleted per WP:FORRED. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 23:11, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that unless English language sources have covered this French abbreviation we don’t need it here.--70.24.249.205 (talk) 13:34, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Super Famicom Box

Super Famicom Box → Super Nintendo Entertainment System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in the target article. Apparently, this was a version of the SNES used in hotels. It seems like reliable sources don’t mention this obscure console either. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 15:09, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This redirect was a result of this AFD. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 15:22, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SolidGoldMagikarp

SolidGoldMagikarp → ChatGPT (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in the target article. Apparently, entering this term into ChatGPT will break the AI. Addition of this term into the article could be trivial and could possibly violate WP:NOTGUIDE. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 14:22, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Not commenting on whether or not it should be deleted, but about WP:NOTGUIDE, I would say that its addition into the article would not be a violation. Sure, we shouldn't list every term found to have this effect, but adding a few examples and discussing briefly why it happens would be a fine addition to the article, most likely to the limitations section. – Popo Dameron talk 15:40, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I should note that multiple statements like this have been removed from the article in the past.[1][2] Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 16:15, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm the one who removed that first one, so I can tell you that's a very different case :)

The instances you linked are anecdotal examples of 'tricking' the model into disobeying its instructions. This, on the other hand, is an actual bug in the code (that is backed by reliable sources) and not just an example of a "jailbreak". – Popo Dameron talk 18:12, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and expand the target page. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:37, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aruvithura

Aruvithura → Erattupetta (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No evidence of such a location existing, let alone near the target. Jalen Folf (talk) 09:38, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The nom has been recently involved in an edit war at the current target about the inclusion of mention of Aruvithura. Pinging Jangorango, the other user involved in this dispute. It does seem as though this is a locality located within Erattupetta. For example see the address (and indeed name) of a local university [3], and the address of a local church [4]/[5] is given as being in Aruvithura. It seems as though mention is justified at the current target, and it certainly seems that this is at the very least an informal name for a part of Erattupetta, but in any case I think the fate of this redirect would depend on whether or not mention can be stably added to the article. A7V2 (talk) 10:48, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator comment: User pinged above by A7V2 has now resorted to vandalism on the RfD template in an effort to get their way on their unsourced efforts. Jalen Folf (talk) 05:43, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of Greek ships

List of Greek ships → Category:Ships of Greece (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Enwiki does not have a list of Greek ships, and this redirect to a Category is misleading because a category is a list of Wikipedia articles about some Greek ships, not a complete (or anywhere near complete) list of Greek ships Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:23, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. A7V2 (talk) 00:59, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Turn into a list of lists, there is at least List of Greece-flagged cargo ships and List of active Hellenic Navy ships Drapetomanic (talk) 17:30, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Expand into an actual list per Drapetomanic's suggestions. Also add List of current Greek frigates to this new list. --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:44, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree to expand to a list of lists. Looking through the category/subcategories there is definitely potential here. Also, in addition to the above suggestions I would add List of decommissioned ships of the Hellenic Navy, and (since someone searching this isn't necessarily looking for a list of specific ships but perhaps a list of types of ships) Hellenistic-era warships. ANEK Lines#Fleet and Blue Star Ferries#Fleet are also possibilities to add. A7V2 (talk) 03:42, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relist to clear an old RfD page. Consensus is clear, but the proposal requires creation of a draft at the redirect page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 05:30, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@LaundryPizza03 I made a draft here: Draft:Lists of Greek ships. Carpimaps (talk) 06:08, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unpaved road

Unpaved road → Dirt road (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Per the target article, a dirt road is not the only kind of unpaved road. Unpaved roads can be made of gravel, for instance. I lean toward retargeting to road surface, but I also think restoring Special:Permalink/44277639 is something to consider, especially if someone's willing to spruce it up a bit, either as a set index article or by moving some of the off-topic content currently at Dirt road. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 06:55, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Disambig It can also be a dab page linking to gravel road and dirt road, rather than going back to a short stub article. AlphaBeta135talk 02:05, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Disambig per AlphaBeta. I'm sure there's also a sand road (Which probably doesn't have an article here), and "unpaved road" can also simply mean a road that hasn't been paved yet. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:56, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Disambig per AlphaBeta. SilkTorkAway (talk) 20:59, 28 January 2023 (UTC) See more detailed Comment below. SilkTork (talk) 03:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dabify per above. There seems to be no primary target between the two articles given by AlphaBeta. --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:45, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't ambiguous, the two articles mentioned are types of unpaved road. This should probably redirect to Road surface, but there is currently no mention of dirt roads there. Peter James (talk) 14:48, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate per above (about gravel roads). That's also an unpaved road. So do disambiguate to dirt or gravel:

Unpaved roads may refer to:

Dirt roads
Gravel roads
(add more if there's more types of unpaved roads, maybe composite...)

WPchanger2011 (talk) 21:14, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion: Consider Ice road, Forest track, Caliche. Maybe also something about Roman roads, snowmobiles or cobblestones. Silk Road? But now I am getting silly. Elinruby (talk) 01:34, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gallery road, Plank road, Corduroy road. It would also give Salt road, Agricultural road, Drover's road and draille [fr] a purpose in life...Elinruby (talk) 02:09, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Realistically I think that unpaved would only apply to dirt or gravel roads. Perhaps, though, we are looking at this the wrong way. Perhaps Dirt road and Gravel road should be merged into Unimproved road (which currently redirects to Dirt road). Dirt road and gravel road are by and large the same thing - they are unpaved or unimproved roads. Other roads, such as plank, corduroy, etc, are paved roads. Paved road (which currently redirects to Road surface) may be more helpfully redirected to Pavement (architecture).

Merge Dirt road and Gravel road into Unimproved road

Redirect Unpaved road to Unimproved road

Redirect Paved road to Pavement (architecture) Actually, I think it would make more sense for Pavement (architecture) to be merged into Paved road, which would become an article instead of a redirect. We'd then have an article on Unimproved roads, and an article on Paved roads. SilkTork (talk) 03:49, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be OK with doing the work for the merging. SilkTork (talk) 17:19, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Restore. I don't think that dirt road and gravel road should be merged into unimproved road (there are a variety of studies on each of them that would be more than enough to write full-length articles on each, separately) and I oppose that merge. But, having an article on unpaved roads (or a list of types of unpaved roads) seems warranted. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 07:25, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no consensus after the previous relist…
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relist to clear an old RfD log page. No new comments since previous relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 05:27, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chuma-Udeh Ngozi Therese (Commissioner)

Chuma-Udeh Ngozi Therese (Commissioner) → Chuma-Udeh Ngozi Therese (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Improper, unneeded disambiguation ~ Eejit43 (talk) 02:35, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - She is a commissioner and so it seems a plausible enough redirect from unnecessary disambiguation. A7V2 (talk) 10:27, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: It's an unnecessary disambiguation but it's not an inappropriate one. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:56, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because it is a plausible R from unnecessary disambiguation. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 18:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jewishness

Jewishness → Jewish peoplehood (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Jewish-ness → Who is a Jew? (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These could also plausibly target Who is a Jew?, Jewish identity, or Jewish peoplehood. None appear to be the clear WP:PTOPIC here, but they should be consistent. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 01:44, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Jewish identity: I think it's the most appropriate target. The first sentence of the article is Jewish identity is the objective or subjective state of perceiving oneself as a Jew and as relating to being Jewish. The definition I found for Jewishness is the quality of being Jewish or of having characteristics regarded as typically Jewish. Hey man im josh (talk) 05:02, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]