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Pronunciation of name

Currently, there are three pronunciation guides for his name: English: /ˈtɪməθi ˈʃæləmeɪ/ TIM-əth-ee SHAL-ə-may, French: [timɔte ʃalamɛ]

How many do we actually need in the opening line? Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:59, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Someone removed the French pronunciation. Guess this should suffice. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:09, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Let's close the Nationnality debate in the first sentense

The topic of Timothée Chalamet's nationality and identity is a controversial one, with some people arguing that he is purely American while others contend that he is a proud Franco-American. Chalamet's background and upbringing have been the subject of much debate, with evidence on both sides of the argument. In this discussion, we will explore the evidence that suggests that Timothée Chalamet is a Franco-American actor, and examine the factors that have contributed to his connection to both French and American cultures. As you know wikipedia aims to be unbiased and to write facts. This is why I would like to bring new elements which prove that timothée chalamet is indeed franch-american:

First of all, Chalamet has acted in French-language films and has spoken French in interviews. In 2017, he starred in the film "Call me by your name", which required him to speak French fluently and played with French actors. In this GQ magazine interview, the filmmaker Guadagnino, that produced a large part of the films where chalamet played, and who knows him very well, said: "Timmy is half American and half French, and we implemented this part of his essence. We made sure we could really use his Frenchness, the multilingual personality, and also his personality." Denis Villeneuve, producer of Dune also said "he's a very intelligent young man, maybe because of having the combination of american culture, french culture" in this interview (timecode: 4:00): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_xajvq2xkQ . Chalamet has also spoken French in interviews with French media outlets, demonstrating his ability to switch between both languages effortlessly.

In this interview the presenter asks timothée: "timothée, you who are both french and american (timothée says yes of the head), on which side your personality swings?" Timothée replied that for the film it was his European side (or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpzVhNZMxTc&t=512s)

Secondly, Chalamet has frequently referenced his French background in interviews and on social media. For example, in an interview with W Magazine, he discussed his upbringing in a bilingual household and how it influenced his decision to learn Italian for the film "Call Me By Your Name". He has also shared photos on Instagram of himself with his French grandmother and has mentioned her in interviews as someone who has influenced his life.

Thirdly, Timothée Chalamet was born in New York City to a French father and an American mother. His father, Marc Chalamet, is a French-born writer and editor, who worked for the United Nations. Chalamet has stated in interviews that he grew up speaking both French and English at home, which indicates his strong connection to his French heritage because 50% of his family is French.

If we refer to the definition, the term "French-American" refers to individuals who have both French and American nationalities, or those who have a strong connection to both French and American cultures. This can include individuals who were born to French and American parents, or those who have lived in both countries and have adopted aspects of both cultures into their identity. French-Americans often have a deep appreciation for French language, art, and cuisine, while also embracing the American values of individualism and freedom. Timothée Chalamet, with his French father and American mother, and his upbringing in a bilingual household, is an example of someone who can be considered a French-American.

In conclusion, Timothée Chalamet's French heritage and upbringing, as well as his references to and work in the French language, all provide strong evidence that he is not just American but a proud Franco-American.

In order to support my remarks, here are reputable non-francophone media that have given the name "french-american" to timothée: Vogue,nationaltoday, lofficiel, flicks and uk.yahoo said "he's french-american"

(sources: https://www.vogue.fr/vogue-hommes-en/article/story12-fun-facts-about-timothee-chalamet2403 https://nationaltoday.com/birthday/timothee-chalamet/ https://uk.yahoo.com/topics/timoth%C3%A9e-chalamet/ https://www.lofficielusa.com/film-tv/timothee-chalamet-dune-french-dispatch-release https://www.lofficiel.co.uk/film-tv/timothee-chalamet-dune-french-dispatch-release-goldenboy https://www.flicks.co.uk/features/will-2023-be-the-year-of-peak-timothee-chalamet/)

@Krimuk2.0 I really would like to have your opinion Hatrant (talk) 17:35, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There was already an RFC on this here. We'd need to have a new RFC if we want to change it. I for one am fine with it saying French-American, but I'll respect what the community decides. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 18:35, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your feedback @Krimuk2.0! I created the RFC if you want to express yourself Hatrant (talk) 08:33, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the disinformation here should be corrected. 50% of Chalamet's family is not French. 25% of his ancestry is French. He has one French-born grandparent, his paternal grandfather. As the article states, his paternal grandmother was originally Canadian, and she wasn't French-Canadian. Call Me by Your Name (film) is a film listed as being from four countries, Italy, the United States, France, and Brazil. It was filmed and set in Italy. The director is Italian. The screenwriter is American. It was based on an American novel by an Egyptian-born writer. Neither of the four lead actors in the film, Chalamet included, were born in France. Most of Chalamet's dialogue is in English. Not one of Chalamet's other films in his entire filmography has France listed as even a co-production country (in fact, one, Bones and All, is also a co-Italian film, so maybe there's a better case for listing Chalamet as an Italian-American actor). As I mention below, the film The French Dispatch is actually American and Chalamet's dialogue in it is in English. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 21:26, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RFC: Nationality in the lead and shortdesc

How should Timothée Chalamet's nationality be described in the lead and short description?

  • A) Lead: Timothée Hal Chalamet is a French-American actor. Shortdesc: French-American actor (born 1995)
  • B) Lead: Timothée Hal Chalamet is an American actor. Shortdesc: American actor (born 1995)

This RFC aims to discuss whether Timothée Chalamet's current mention as an "American actor" on Wikipedia accurately reflects his identity. Some argue that Chalamet's French heritage, bilingual upbringing, and references to French culture in his work and through his father and sister suggest that he should be referred to as a "French-American actor" instead. Others argue that he was born and raised in the United States and should be referred to as an "American actor". The RFC invites input from all users to determine the most accurate way to describe Chalamet's nationality on Wikipedia. Hatrant (talk) 20:02, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Poll

I vote A) He literally said "I'm french" in this talk show (timecode 4:18) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYKza0EQS-E 2A07:23C0:0:7000:0:0:0:5B0E (talk) 20:52, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nice spoted I didin't notice it ! This plus my previous comment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Timoth%C3%A9e_Chalamet#Let's_close_the_Nationnality_debate_in_the_first_sentense) are the reasons why I vote A Hatrant (talk) 20:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd go with option A too: "French and American actor". Krimuk2.0 (talk) 10:25, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I could live with "French-American" but I'm 60% leaning toward the American side as he was born and raised in America and heavily associated with New York as a fourth generation New Yorker who grew up in a famous New York apartment building, so my vote will go to B at this time. Trillfendi (talk) 21:16, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for your input. I understand your argument that Timothée Chalamet was born and raised in America and has strong associations with New York. However, it's important to consider that he has also frequently referenced his French heritage in interviews (himself and filmmakers says that his strength comes mainly from his dual culture), on social media, and has even acted in French-language films. This suggests that he has a strong connection to both French and American cultures. In the answers below some users have found documents where timothée considers himself French in addition to American. Therefore, some users have proposed using the term "French and American" to accurately reflect his identity and It will respect the MOS:NATIONALITY chart . In view of these new elements, could this term suit you? Hatrant (talk) 22:35, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • We all agree that timothée is mostly american, this is his main country, no one can deny that. However, it cannot be denied either that his French culture seems very important and present to him, which is why I think it is fair to put A (I'm also ok with French and American actor)
(if it helps in your decision, he's also marked as being french-american in this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_Americans) BahakFlo (talk) 23:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If I could just comment @BahakFlo - that page includes any notable American with some degree of French heritage. It's what the term "French-American" often means. Even Beyoncé is listed because she has some degree of French ancestry. But she and many others mentioned don't have French citizenship or any substantial connection to France beyond partial heritage. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 12:02, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A - Citizenship counts for a lot. Add in family + time spent in france + french-language works and I'd say that it's justifiable, even if he did spend most of his life in America. One Faraway (talk) 14:34, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
B - So many famous people have multiple citizenship but are primarily American or whatever nationality first and foremost. His birth, residence, career and so on have not been primarily in France. This has usually been the consensus in past discussions. There was one last year. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 11:44, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
B - A career that spans the subject's emigration? Relevant dual citizenship? Neither criteria from MOS:NATIONALITY is fulfilled here. He isn't an emigrant and there's no evidence having dual citizenship has impacted his career. Joe Biden has said "I'm Irish" many times (i.e. here and here). Should he be listed as "an Irish-American President" in the first sentence? Lady Gaga has said "I"m Italian," Taylor Swift has said "I'm Scottish," telling a Scottish crowd "I'm one of you," and Jessica Alba has said "I'm Mexican." Americans having a foreign-born parent is very common (and isn't even the case for the people I just mentioned), as is making statements self-identifying with another country. What's also interesting is that in the years since this discussion started, Chalamet has still not worked in a French film or lived in France. Even in The French Dispatch, an American film, he was evidently not playing a French character. Why make this change now? All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 15:45, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"no evidence having dual citizenship has impacted his care" if you read the text above (Let's close the Nationality debate in the first sentense) then you will see that there are several elements which show that his French nationality is very important for his career
Otherwise I encourage you to tell me why the arguments are wrong Hatrant (talk) 20:48, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How is it important in his career? It is not. He does not live in France and doesn't work in French cinema. The list of Americans with foreign-born parents and apparent dual citizenship is very long. Very few if any of them are listed as anything but American in the first sentence. And declarations of "I'm Irish," "I'm Swedish," "I'm Welsh," and so on are very common, as I've said, and don't have anything to do with the article intro, either. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 21:17, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your input on this discussion. However, I would like to clarify that the aim of this RFC is not to determine whether Timothée Chalamet has dual citizenship or whether he is an immigrant. Rather, it is to accurately reflect his cultural identity in the article intro.
Chalamet has consistently referenced his French background in interviews and on social media, and has demonstrated a strong connection to French culture through his work in French language films and his collaborations with directors who use this double culture in their films (see comments of filmmaker Guadagnino and Denis Villeneuve). As such, it is important to accurately reflect his cultural identity as a Franco-American actor in the article intro.
Regarding the comparison to other public figures who have referenced their foreign heritage, it is important to note that the situation is different for Chalamet given his strong connection to French culture and his work in French language films. Additionally, the article intro should accurately reflect the subject's identity and not just their legal nationality.
While it may be common for Americans to reference their foreign heritage, it is important to consider the extent to which it influences their work and identity. In the case of Chalamet, his French heritage and work in films are significant aspects of his career and should be reflected in the article intro.
Therefore, I believe that changing Chalamet's nationality on Wikipedia to "French-American actor" would provide a more accurate and comprehensive understanding of his background and identity. Thank you for considering this perspective. Hatrant (talk) 21:32, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2023

Ann5623 (talk) 02:07, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Born in Mount Sini West, New York, NY.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 03:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

UNICEF correction

I corrected that UNICEF stands for United Nations Children's Fund--it is not United Nations Children's EMERGENCY Fund--and it was reverted. Why? What the heck is going on? If one goes to the program's page, it is clear that my correction was appropriate. 173.90.75.20 (talk) 02:18, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Restored your edit. Nardog (talk) 02:25, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2023

I would like to add to the Personal Life section the recent update that Timothee Chalamet is reportedly dating media mogul Kyle Jenner. 2603:7000:46F0:150:984:C5CD:A9B2:574C (talk) 19:22, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 21:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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