Q4: Why aren't there sections on science and technology, education, media, tourism etc?
A4: New sections require talk-page consensus. In archived discussions, it was decided to keep them out. Consider expanding their respective daughter articles, such as History of India, instead. See WP:WPC.
Q5: Why was my image or external link removed?
A5: To add or remove images and links, start a thread on this page first. See WP:FP?, WP:IMAGE, and WP:EL.
Q6: The map is wrong!
A6: The map shows the official (de jure) borders in undisputed territory and the de facto borders and all related claims where there's a dispute; it cannot exclusively present the official views of India, Pakistan, or China. See WP:NPOV.
Q7: India is a superpower!
A7: Consult the archives of this talk page for discussions of India's status as a superpower before adding any content that makes the suggestion. See WP:DUE.
Q8: Delhi is a state!
A8: To create an Indian state, the Parliament of India must pass a law to that effect—see Articles 2 through 4 of the Constitution of India, full text here. The Sixty-ninth Amendment, which was enacted in 1991, added Article 239AA to the constitution. It proclaimed the National Capital Territory of Delhi, gave it a legislative assembly, and accorded it special powers that most union territories lack. But Delhi was not made a state. Several crucial powers were retained by the central government, such as responsibility for law and order. Delhi also does not have a governor; instead, a lieutenant governor presides. Unlike Himachal Pradesh, which gained statehood in 1970, and Goa, which gained it in 1987, Delhi continues to be listed as a union territory by the First Schedule.
Q9: Add Hindi as the national language/hockey as the national sport!
A9: Hindi is the official language, not national language. There is no national language, but there are constitutionally recognized languages, commonly known as Schedule 8 languages. English also serves as a subsidiary official language until the universal use of Hindi is approved by the states and parliament.
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The rationale behind the request is: "Featured article, and one that may have a higher-than-average proportion of readers who are English language learners".
The exact time when India's population will overtake/overtook China's is indeterminable. To avoid addressing this question and attempts to update the article language periodically throughout this year, should we perhaps add a footnote along the lines of "According to estimates by the U. N. Population Division, India's population is expected to overtake China's sometime in 2023.[1]" linked from wherever the population ranking is mentioned in the infobox and text of this and the China article? Abecedare (talk) 17:12, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ideally I would have liked to wait for further input, but since this topic continues to be independently raised here and at Talk:China, I have gone ahead and added the footnote. Linked it from three instances where I saw the current population ranking mentioned in the article; please feel free to link it from other locations that I may have missed. Abecedare (talk) 17:32, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Follow-up: I have added an entry for the population-ranking in the FAQ for the article (which is visible at the top of this talkpage) so that editors responding to the repeated ECP requests about the issue can refer the requester to "See Q10 in the FAQ" instead of having to compose de novo responses each time. Of course, editors are welcome to tweak the language of the current FAQ response I have composed, and we can discuss the language if needed. Pinging @Bazza 7, DaxServer, Actualcpscm, and RegentsPark: who have dealt with such requests on this page. Abecedare (talk) 20:38, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think we might need another tweak as the sources attribute to UN projections, thus we can't say it's the most populous in a definitive voice — DaxServer (t · m · c) 17:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Paleothorn: That doesn't say it happened, only that it was set to happen at the time the article was written. If you step back a minute, though, you will realise that the start of the article you linked to is nothing other than journalistic hype. How did the author know that on 14 April the population count of one country would overtake the population count of another?
Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia based on verifiable sources: that is, trusty-worthy publication of facts. I appreciate that there is a perceived competition to see which country is Number One on the matter of who has the most people, but that does not fit well with Wikipedia's way of working. Abecedare has added a helpful note to both India and China's articles about their relative population counts. Until there are firm figures from reliable sources saying, for each country, that its population on a specific date was at least N, then the note is the best to be achieved at present. When such figures are available, I'd expect List of countries and dependencies by population to reflect the new order before either India or China's articles are altered. Bazza (talk) 08:30, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The subject of this edit is quite controversial. I think replacing the citations with reliable, detailed academic sources rather than media reports or simplistic rankings would be much better. Mixmon (talk) 14:25, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Incongruent claim about the name Hindustan
'Hindustan is a Middle Persian name for India, introduced during the Mughal Empire'
It doesn't make sense to say both that it was Middle Persian and that it was introduced first during the Mughal Empire, since Middle Persian (450 BCE - 650 CE) wasn't used during the Mughal Empire (1526–1857). The form of Persian that was used during the Mughal Empire was New Persian. It may be claimed that the name had first arisen in Persian during the Middle Persian period, but was introduced in India itself during the Mughal Empire, since it used that language. If this is what is meant, it should be stated clearly. 87.126.21.225 (talk) 14:48, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Update the language used
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don't write India became the world's most populous country in 2023. Change it to 'India is the world's most populous country, with a current population of over 1.425 billion. How can it became the world's most populous country in 2023. Its 2023 currently going on. 117.226.210.194 (talk) 10:58, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Diplomatic and strategic relations need updated content and adjusted language
After the Cold War, India’s foreign policy has undergone some changes. It has established some partnerships, joined or led some organizations, all of which have specific names, rather than broad special relationships. The content of the original sentence is messy. After adjustment, the same nature is integrated and classified Бмхүн (talk) 16:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You need to explain what it is you object to sentence-by-sentence and what you want to replace it with. What you have written above is too general to be actionable. Fowler&fowler«Talk»18:05, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No in-principle objections to "Updating content to reflect changes in India's international relations after the Cold War" as Бмхүн says in their edit-summary but I have a hard time following the content of the changes looking at the diff. If I'm reading it right, the edit inserted discussion of India's current relation with Israel and France in between the otherwise chronological discussion of India's foreign policy during the Nehru and post-Nehru eras. So perhaps Бмхүн can spell out what they wish to add/change and then we can craft the exact language, sources etc.
One recommendation though before we get into the weeds: In a high-level article such as this one, we are better off relying on scholarly secondary sources such as (just for example):
I'm not so sure we need to include India is also actively committed to building a "Free and Open Indo-Pacific".[284] In recent years, it has played key roles in the Bay of Bengal Initiative for Multi-Sectoral Technical and Economic Cooperation and the Indian Ocean Rim Association. in this summary style article. Just don't seem important enough (also, I note that the editor is adding "economic" related material but removed economic from the section title). Ditto for most of the rest (East Asia summit, latin america ties, etc.) - no quibbles but they don't seem to add much to the article other than, if I may invent the term, diplomatic candy. RegentsPark (comment) 19:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The economy has a separate narrative and should not be put together with diplomacy. Moreover, India's strategic partnership with the United States and Russia has a special name, which cannot be summarized as a special relationship. The Indo-Pacific is an important foreign policy of the Indian government, which should be shown, and now that India is a major member of organizations such as the G20, it is necessary to add relevant information. The content of the original narrative is messy, and the content related to nuclear energy and military affairs is now unified in one paragraph to avoid redundancy Бмхүн (talk) 06:31, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The official website of the U.S. State Department and the links of the Russian official research institute can of course be used as important reference materials to describe the relationship between India and these two countries. Moreover, the relationship between the EU and India is limited to economic and strategic cooperation and does not involve military affairs. The reference materials do not describe the United States and the EU side by side. France and the EU are placed together because France is the leading country of the EU. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Бмхүн (talk • contribs) 06:47, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Бмхүн: Thanks for joining in the discussion. It would be useful if you proposed the specific changes you wish to make one at time and specified what secondary sources (not governmental press releases) they were based on. Abecedare (talk) 06:53, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The paragraphs have been updated based on third-party reference materials, and the original table of contents mixed three different contents together, which does not conform to Wikipedia's specifications Бмхүн (talk) 18:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are no "Wikipedia specifications" for this. Could you please propose specific changes, as has been requested a couple of times before? CMD (talk) 01:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Use correct sentence formation
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Make it 'most populous country and democracy in the world' no need to mention date or other things, keep in straightforward. Saptajit D (talk) 08:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: The date is relevant because it is a recent development that has been covered extensively in mainstream media. The exact population is already included in the infobox, and it's almost never mentioned in the lead section of articles about countries. Actualcpscm (talk) 15:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As whether India or China is at this moment the most populous country is still controversial, with some sources stating India overtook China and others stating it didn't, should we do like in the China article and only state the (estimated) population, without making a judgment call on whether it is or not the most populated country? Chaotic Enby (talk) 07:07, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The first paragraph states that India is the most populous country, as well as the most populous democracy as of 1st May. This is untrue. According to Worldometers, China's population as of 20th May 2023 is 1.455 billion and increasing, whereas India's is 1.419 billion and increasing, thus making it the second most populous. Noel Malik (talk) 23:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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"Preserved by a resolutely vigilant oral tradition, the Rigveda records the dawning of Hinduism in India." This extract is a case of opinionated language present in the second introductory paragraph. Noel Malik (talk) 00:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The statement in the third introductory paragraph that "Sikhism emerged, rejecting institutionalized religion." The text's assertion that Sikhism arose to reject institutionalised religion is oversimplified and may not adequately portray the nuances of Sikhism's emergence and connection with institutionalised religion.
Sikhism began in India's Punjab area in the 15th century as a result of the teachings of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and succeeding Sikh Gurus. While Sikhism challenged certain features of the time's religious institutions, including caste oppression and ritualistic practises, it also built its own distinct religious structure and organisations.
Sikhism emphasises the value of a personal relationship with God and disapproves of idolatry, ritualistic observances, and outside religious authorities. It does, though, have its own institutionalised institutions, such as gurdwaras (Sikh temples), a code of conduct (Rehat Maryada), and the idea that the Guru Granth Sahib (the Sikh sacred scripture) is the eternal Guru.
In light of this, it would be more correct to state that Sikhism developed with a distinct philosophy of spirituality and religious practise that included aspects of both institutionalisation and rejection. Beyond a mere denial of institutionalised religion, Sikhism's relationship with it is complicated. Noel Malik (talk) 00:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Noel Malik: You are referring to a single summary sentence in the introductory lead of an article on India. There is no room to be more verbose in the lead. The summary and detailed articles linked at India § Demographics, languages, and religion are the places for expansion. If you can distil what you have written above into a single, validated sentence, then you can propose that to replace the current lead sentence; it will need to be short and understandable. Bazza (talk) 08:56, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sikhism emerged with a distinct spiritual philosophy that challenged certain aspects of institutionalized religion while also establishing its own religious structure and organizations. Noel Malik (talk) 14:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Question: While I agree, it's not clear to what portion of the article you are referring to. Callmemirela 🍁 11:09, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Not done: The date is relevant because it is a recent development that has been covered extensively in mainstream media. The exact population is already included in the infobox, and it's almost never mentioned in the lead section of articles about countries. Actualcpscm (talk) 15:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -Lemonaka 08:59, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Note: Closing the request per Bazza's reasoning. Actualcpscm (talk) 13:15, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
