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Do we really need so much detail about his beliefs, connections, activities, etc.?

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— Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:58, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The length is probably because of recentism. I think the sections about his childhood and the 2016 civil suit are given unduly heavy coverage. If there's so much to say about his childhood and the 2016 suit, it probably belongs in forks, not in this article - especially when the coverage about the crime itself is so minimal. W. Tell DCCXLVI (talk to me!/c) 13:42, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly disagree with the two posters. (However, feel free to create spin-off articles. Two specific spin-off articles have been proposed, it seems.)--If some are worried about the size of the main article, then consider keeping stuff out of the article, when stuff gets shaved, in small increment-whatevers.--Here's what I shaved today, from this main article.--Yeah, when there is a spin-off article, then it might be somewhat easier to slowly shave stuff (out of the main article). 2001:2020:8317:D49F:BF:4F06:C52A:8C10 (talk) 00:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)/ 2001:2020:8317:D49F:BF:4F06:C52A:8C10 (talk) 00:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Moved out of article - waiting for spin-off article about 2016 trial

Moved out of article - waiting for spin-off article about 2016 trial (where the moved info might belong):
"Breivik talked about the parties NFP and NL; he said that those later changed name to ["Nordic State" or] Nordiske stat. "<ref name="sksoker" /> --Justification: "Re: In Breivik's imagination there exist a political party. The non-important info, hereby moved to talk page, waiting to become part of spin-off article. Rmv 2001:2020:8317:D49F:A8B4:361D:AB95:D2EB (talk) 01:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)/ 2001:2020:8317:D49F:A8B4:361D:AB95:D2EB (talk) 01:13, 21 March 2023 (UTC)/ 2001:2020:8317:D49F:A8B4:361D:AB95:D2EB (talk) 01:17, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • "In 2012, Breivik planned to set up an organisation he called the Conservative Revolutionary Movement which he envisioned consisting of around 50 right-wing activists in Europe, as well as an organization for imprisoned right-wing activists; Breivik has written to, among others, Peter Mangs and Beate Zschäpe.[9][10] In 2012, he spent 8–10 hours per day writing. He has said that he wants to write three books: the first being his own account of the events on the day of the attacks, the second discussing the ideology underlying his actions, and a third on his visions for the future.[11][12]--Justification: This article does not need all his grandiose dreams/envisioning, from the time of his first 11 years in prison (while isolated from other prisoners, except for an average of around c. one-hour every year). 2001:2020:431D:F304:D58C:5CA2:77ED:DC85 (talk) 16:57, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can this be moved to talk page (while waiting for a spin-off article to be created)?

  • "In 2012, Breivik planned to set up an organisation he called the Conservative Revolutionary Movement which he envisioned consisting of around 50 right-wing activists in Europe, as well as an organization for imprisoned right-wing activists; Breivik has written to, among others, Peter Mangs and Beate Zschäpe.[13][10] In 2012, he spent 8–10 hours per day writing. He has said that he wants to write three books: the first being his own account of the events on the day of the attacks, the second discussing the ideology underlying his actions, and a third on his visions for the future."[11][12]--Justification: that text, only seems to describe dreams (or aspirations) that belong to Breivik. In addition, there are facts about him having sent at least one letter to two different (named) right-wing imprisoned terrorists.--Misery loves company: he has sent letters to "criminal somebodies" (my quote); however, there is no text that demonstrates that the letters have notable content; not even claims about the letters claiming anything about anybody being starstruck etc. 2001:2020:4347:EFBB:31DA:9690:2C67:C407 (talk) 14:37, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I can see no justification for any spin-off article. Breivik is notable for his crimes, not for his beliefs or for letters he's been sending. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If anyone wants to create a "spin-off stub" or spinoff-article, then notable sources (that are independent), do exist.--A (possible) Deletion-discussion would thereafter rule if any specific spinoff-article which might be created about Breivik - is a non-notable topic.--Personally, i am remotely interested regarding the flavor-of-the-decade regarding Breivik and his views about Odinism or which religious figures Breivik might consider pathetic (at any given point in time). However, it has already been (de facto) established that all notable information about Breivik, will not be put into only one wiki-article. (We might be at 2 articles now - not counting the "2011 Norway attack article".)--Regarding wiki-notability of letters to and from Breivik: media has printed facsimile of various letters from Breivik. Media has also told about a wiki-notable Swedish imprisoned right-wing terrorist who has "thrown out" letters from Breivik.--Politicians were scared about Breivik's letter-writing, and turned the screws on that.--During trial, an authority within the government, had a view that Breivik was not permitted/able to receive letters from contacts that he has tried to approach for the first time, after "Breivik's day of terrorism" (my quote).--AndyTheGrump and I seem to have different views, regarding possibly new stubs (or articles). 2001:2020:4307:C2BA:DDE3:4880:7ED5:8D9 (talk) 17:05, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No spin-off article(s) required, this page is too long and goes into far too much trivial detail. Mztourist (talk) 09:56, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b c Cite error: The named reference sksoker was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Kilnes, Camilla (17 March 2016). "Har ikke full oversikt over alle brevene til og fra Breivik". Adressa.no. Retrieved 9 February 2022.
  3. ^ "Breiviks søksmål mot Staten". Nrk.no. 23 October 2015.
  4. ^ Cite error: The named reference auto3 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  5. ^ [1] "Det opplyser massemorderens forsvarer, advokat Øystein Storrvik til VG. – Jeg har på vegne av ham sendt inn en begjæring om prøveløslatelse, sier Storrvik til VG. – Han har krav på domstolsprøving av prøveløslatelse ved minstetid som er ti år i hans tilfelle. "
  6. ^ a b "Nytt avslag: Pressen får ikke bli med inn på cellen til Breivik". VG. 8 March 2016. Retrieved 20 April 2016.
  7. ^ "Lukkede dører under ABB-rettssak – NRK Nyheter". Nrk.no. 8 March 2016. Retrieved 26 March 2016.
  8. ^ "Har rekonstruert Breiviks Ila-celler – NRK Norge – Oversikt over nyheter fra ulike deler av landet". Nrk.no. 14 March 2016. Retrieved 26 March 2016.
  9. ^ The newspaper Verdens Gang reported on 26 July 2012
  10. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference expressen1 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  11. ^ a b Brenna, Jarle; Utheim, Eric Brekstad; Grøttum, Eva-Therese (26 July 2012). "Breivik sender brev til høyreekstreme støttespillere. Ber om hjelp til å fortsette kampen" [Breivik sends letters to extreme right-wing supporters. Requests assistance to continue the struggle]. Verdens Gang (in Norwegian). Archived from the original on 29 July 2012. Retrieved 26 July 2012.
  12. ^ a b Berglund, Nina (26 July 2012). "Breivik sets up conservative network". Views and News from Norway. Archived from the original on 30 July 2012. Retrieved 26 July 2012.
  13. ^ The newspaper Verdens Gang reported on 26 July 2012

Emailed his manifesto to whom?

"On the day of the attacks, Breivik emailed a compendium of texts entitled 2083: A European Declaration of Independence, describing his militant ideology." -> Seems important to know who he emailed, and looks weird this way. Douweziel (talk) 03:35, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

he emailed it to hundreds of people. 2001:2020:343:AEED:A5FE:4639:1ECA:A0A2 (talk) 17:10, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

lead too long

should be 4 paragraphs per the mos toobigtokale (talk) 03:49, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

description

where it says 'Anders Breivik is a Norwegian far-right wing terrorist' @ tha beginning of tha article, may we please add is a 'far-right wing terrorist & a neo-Nazi', cuz he has said that he was a neo-Nazi? Monkeylady999 (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Assets currency conversion wrong?

Two quotes from the article:

"His declared assets in 2007 were about NKr 630,000 (US$76,244)"

".. in 2009 and his assets amounted to 390,000 kroner ($72,063)"

I'm trying to make sense of this, any help? 77.169.177.105 (talk) 22:58, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suing the Government (launched August 2023)

He is not suing the Correctional Service.--Not sure that this wiki-article has yet explained how the Correctional Service formally gets involved.--I will inform this talk page, if sources pop up that are illuminate that part of the process. 46.15.118.28 (talk) 19:02, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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