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Skull Island: Rise of Kong

Here's a holding area to discuss the inclusion of Skull Island: Rise of Kong in future. Putting this discussion here as a few users have already enthusiastically attempted to do so. I think it is generally too soon and it is not appropriate at the current state. Despite a very well documented online reaction to the game's poor quality (IGN, Escapist, Kotaku, PC Gamer) and some evidence of a troubled production (Verge) the game is not high-profile and has not widely been actually reviewed (IGN). Given the game only came out a few days ago and lacks reliable review content, it is quite premature but hopefully this can serve as a starting point for a discussion if things improve. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 05:32, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Currently, it fails the list criteria on almost all points. It has no aggregator score at this time (that I saw in the article), it's only got 4 reliable reviews presented (10 are required). It's also a tie-in property. -- ferret (talk) 19:57, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Generally agree, although a tie-in isn't necessarily fatal (see Gollum) it does reduce the likelihood a poor quality licensed game is notable. At any rate, I'm inclined to say that this will not ever be eligible for inclusion. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 20:12, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion: CrossfireX

It received unfavorably reviews from critics and players and the servers shut down on May 18th of this year, similar to Babylon's Fall

Should we add it on the list or no? just saying Xstronomy007 (talk) 05:11, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given how little this seems to be discussed (compared with Babylon's Fall), I think it doesn't meet the "notable" aspect. Masem (t) 05:31, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Unlikely - there is some more coverage not captured in the article, including a review by Edge, but not a lot. Even then, just because a game is agreed to be bad doesn't make it notable for its negative reception. There has to be an aspect of commentary that singles it out as poor. That doesn't seem to be present in the article other than Metacritic noting it had one of the lowest scores of the year. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 06:14, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed removal of Mortal Kombat: Special Forces

I like the state of the article and think the entries are largely worthy, but there are some I'm not sure should be in the list. If I had to make one suggestion, it would be:

  • Remove Mortal Kombat: Special Forces: There are three Mortal Kombat games cited between 1997 and 2001. Whilst two do have listicle "worst game" citations, Special Forces is an uncontroversial remove to me. Its score is sourced from seven Metacritic reviews, and comments on its reception only cite one "worst games" mention in a 2011 listicle from GamesRadar. I also really question the value of saturating the article with poorly received Mortal Kombat titles when the franchise as a whole is not generally seen as low quality. No talk page discussion in favor either.

Some other titles that should be improved in their sourcing are those that don't have substantive metacommentary on their reception on the talk page or article, but just seem to be here because they're games with low scores attached to high-profile franchises or developers, such as Alone in the Dark: Illumination, Babylon's Fall and Umbrella Corps. Stalin vs. Martians is also clearly shovelware which is discouraged.

Let me know what you think. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 06:56, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Part of what we are looking for in games notable for negative reception is the impact that negative reception had on the developers, publishers, or the like. for MK:Special Forces, we've got that the series was paused to better refocus the next game, which is a reasonable but weak reason to keep.
To contrast, Babylon's Fall was a major title but its poor reception led to its servers being closed rather quickly, which is why that's on this list. Masem (t) 13:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your thoughts. I know I am agitating the point a little, but there's no sources or discussion on any impact of Special Forces to the franchise on the game or franchise page. It does not seem correct that Special Forces led to a pause in any development given that Deadly Alliance was already under development from 1998 and released in 2002. It seems true that there was a glut of low-quality spinoff games, but adding them all absent other games in the same period seems to be excessive. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 21:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion: The Day Before

With this game getting notable coverage for it's bad release state (overwhelmingly negative on steam), the highly suspicious marketing and now the studio's (Fntastic) closure due to the poor sales of this game, I strongly suggest that The Day Before be nominated for this list. Sirfalcon11 (talk) 19:42, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This might fall better on the commercial failures list. TDB has no reviews from reliable sources, only the negative user reviews, but that sent the devs to close up. So we have no way to judge its normal reception, but can judge its financial performance. Masem (t) 22:58, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's worse than that. A paying customer can't even buy the game now while the studio is trying to disappear from the internet: https://www.ign.com/articles/the-day-before-steam-fntastic Sirfalcon11 (talk) 00:26, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Don't see what that has to do with negative reception. Someone not being able to buy it means no one is out any money, so them pulling it should be seen as good, not bad, if the game is as bad (or a 'scam') as people are saying. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 13:33, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agree re. the conflation with poor performance and poor reception. If the reliable reviews don't exist, it falls short of the standard for this list, but good sourcing for the game's disastrous rollout could be a good case study for a commercial failure. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 01:06, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The "Failed financially" part is not from the game failed marketing, but instead mass refunds on steam Xstronomy007 (talk) 01:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All the statements from the dev say "poor sales". While that could include the fact they had a lot of sales that then got refunded, we don't know if that was the primary reason. The case clearly can be made for commercial failure, with noting being the worst reviewed game and many trying to get refunds (and then Steam now automatically allowing for all purchasers to get refunds).
However, I'd also like to see if there's more exploration of the question being raised if this was all a scam, and give some time for our RSes to determine if that was the case. As if it was a scam, it would not belong on either list. Masem (t) 05:50, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, we don't know if it was a scam or not nor the sales reasoning
But I do point out that Scamming is consider fraud Xstronomy007 (talk) 06:10, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
it's a scam that crashed hard with both players and games journalists hating it with IGN, GamesRadar and Rock Paper Shotgun giving it VERY negative reviews Sirfalcon11 (talk) 03:53, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it bears noting that the three sources you listed seem to be the only major reviews of the game, for what it's worth. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 04:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Are we going to do the same situation as Babylon's Fall? Xstronomy007 (talk) 01:57, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion: The Simpsons Skateboarding

This game is as infamous bad as Simpsons Westling and argueable even worse @ 87.51.178.26 (talk) 17:49, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Typically falls under the "no tie-in or shovelware" category. What makes it standout? -- ferret (talk) 17:50, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is as special and infamously bad as Westling. I know it got very negative reviews and are often paired up with Westling when talking about bad Simpsons games. I cant say what makes it specially standout, but i cant say that about Westling as well. They are both very bad games released close after each other. 87.51.178.26 (talk) 17:57, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Wikipedia article for Skateboarding gives 10 reviews for the game. Surely that are enough for being notable for the list? 87.51.178.26 (talk) 18:09, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It have two 1/10 reviews. Also from said Wikipedia article
Andrew Reiner of Game Informer said: "Never before have I seen a developer put forth such an effort to secure the Worst Game of the Year award. I'll even go as far to say that this may very well be the worst PlayStation 2 game on the market." Kevin Murphy of GameSpy said that "The Simpsons Skateboarding should be a case study in bad game design."
Also while this is OR, Simpsons Skateboarding is one of the most bashed game on YouTube (just from the quality of the game, not for other reasons) and i believe it is one of the more well known bad games in general.
I believe this is enough for the list but i am not an expert on this. 87.51.178.26 (talk) 20:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion: Rise of the Robots

It got very bad reviews when it came out and it is on Gameradar top 100 worst games list in 2014. It is a rather well known bad game that deserves to be on this list. Was promoted a lot in magazines back in the day. 87.51.178.26 (talk) 18:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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