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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 12.233.244.107 (talk) at 14:19, 1 February 2024 (→‎For anything about the BRICS expansion map: Reply). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Carbon Foot Print

Another impressive statistic alongside population, landmass and GDP, is the share of Fossil Co2 emmissions of the world. The Current BRICS member countries are responsible for 51.78% of the total Fossil CO2 emissions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.119.156.170 (talk) 13:17, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mexico

I can't find a source that Mexico has applied (but I see a lot of internet buzz). I see Mexico was deleted a few days ago for this reason, but it is back today. what is going on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fogonthedowns (talk • contribs) 02:45, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is right. Actually, the president of Mexico has confirmed Mexico is not interested. This map is misleading and this Wikipedia page has been hijacked to push an fake agenda 2A00:23C4:CE32:1401:E5D7:D23A:6388:5EAE (talk) 11:28, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I will fix it. I got the source form the article. Mathsquare (talk) 04:04, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Greece "interested" in membership?

So let's get this straight - of the links provided, one is a dead link, and one links to an article that is Russia inviting a debt-ridden Greece to join BRICS. Not only does the article not contain any text to support the assertion that Greece is "interested" in joining, as we all know Athens has since come out saying it is *not* interested in interacting with BRICS and the NDB. Can we get a consensus on removing the mention of Greece as an interested party? — Preceding unsigned comment added by username or IP (talk • contribs) date (UTC)

head of BRICS development bank?

India will be the first Head of BRICKS development Bank represented by the leadership of Mr. Kamath — Preceding unsigned comment added by username or IP (talk • contribs) date (UTC)

GDP and export

BRICS is collaborating to augment export and import to maximize GDP in high potential developing countries to broaden the local basket to include many quality items for household and food consumption. First world income BRICS will provide a new first world life based on daily life quality, food quality and solidarity! Central supply units will equally distribute final products to BRICS countries based on initial agricultural merit! 94.225.153.245 (talk) 13:58, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GDP PPP entry for South Africa and Averages & Precision Comments

Minor edit: GDP PPP 2023 entry for South Africa was 990,030, which is in millions. Changed to billions. See List of countries by GDP PPP.

The Average entry in all columns are different from Total / 5. The GDP PPP average, for example, would be 10,234 instead of 8,119.9. Editing these entries may require further research into the original references. I have not done it.

Also, one should be aware of the excessive number of significant digits in some entries, which impacts clarity. For example, when listing values in hundreds of billions (using billion units), one should use integer numbers @ Llsouza (talk) 15:31, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chairman instead of President.

It would be accurate to call Mr. Xi Jinping Chairman instead of president because he is the chairman of the CCP as he leads the politburo in Beijing and there are no presidential elections in China. KamiSama502 (talk) 23:09, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He actually has that title but it's means something else than what most people imagine. It's actually is a different position he hold. A better title would be general secretary since that is his highest rank and is de facto the highest rank in the country similar to all of the "Marxist-Leninist" "socialist" governments out there. In quotations since if you had ever study ML theory or economics systems then clearly they are all capitalists. Mathsquare (talk) 03:11, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My edit of adding an map to show applicants and countries which has express their interest needs to look nicer

I made the map due to me wanting to visualize it and I am good with knowing where countries are and so it was easy for me especially since I already know how to us AI and inkscape but I am not sure how to marge it properly or the colors to really use. I just use blue since that was already in use. Perhaps it needs to be merged with the previous map but that is for current members only. Not sure to do. Mathsquare (talk) 03:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

teal and cyan? really?

how are we supposed to distinguish the two without being an art major? food for thought Camdoodlebop (talk) 12:42, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2023

Change the color scheme for the map please. I cannot understand this color scheme of teal, cyan and “light cyan” in the same map. Please apply contrasting color shades to signify different information, thanks. 74.135.2.33 (talk) 00:45, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done It appears the map in question has either been replaced or removed since this edit request was made. – Recoil16 (talk) 10:38, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Map still wrong

The United Arab Emirates aren't marked as Cyan while all the other new members are 176.230.45.215 (talk) 07:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2023 (2)

Fix the map to include the United Arab Emirates as one of the new members (give it the light blue color)

Aammii (talk) 07:35, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 14:04, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request to undo inaccurate info by OnManorama news in BRICS article

Hi, BRICS article admin,

Need your help to undo inaccurate info in BRICS article because the page is currently semi-protected.

Pakistan has not officially applied for BRICS membership, but only expressed interest. The report by India OnManorama news saying that Pakistan was blocked by India from joining BRICS is inaccurate.

Please help to undo the following edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BRICS&diff=next&oldid=1172053130

The accurate info is listed under "Countries that have applied for membership" section. Thanks Thesidewalker11 (talk) 08:42, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done it makes no sense to state that Pakistan was prevented from joining when it hasn't even applied for membership. M.Bitton (talk) 10:21, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

So I suppose the map now would need to be updated? - Adding Pakistan as an official applicant https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/24/pakistan-seeks-brics-membership-despite-india-roadblock — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.140.76.201 (talk) 09:26, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2023

Please change the following text:

it would be comprised by challengers to the Western-led international that "in the order the scale of GDP, now collectively outweigh not only the reigning hegemon, the United States, but the entire G-7 weight class put together."

To read as follows:

it would be comprised by challengers to the Western-led international order that "on the scale of GDP, now collectively outweigh not only the reigning hegemon, the United States, but the entire G-7 weight class put together."

The current quotation is not only ungrammatical and confusing (I did a double-take, trying to parse it as "in order to scale" or something), but it's also not the original quote, which can be verified by searching on Google or your favorite search engine. The original is the version with "on the scale". 98.170.164.88 (talk) 04:00, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:55, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More countries are interested joining BRICS

According to web [1]https://www.silkroadbriefing.com/news/2022/11/09/the-new-candidate-countries-for-brics-expansion/, countries like Peru, Ecuador, Panama Costa Rica, Guatemala, Chile, Mongolia, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan are interested of joining BRICS. Alphaire (talk) 10:17, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Im not sure if Uruguay and Bangladesh are added.

I only saw Argentina, Ethiopia, UAE,Egypt, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Khonziwe (talk) 14:40, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Come form the article for the map. Mathsquare (talk) 04:04, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Another Attack, From a Media Hack

The "challenge BRICS presents to the established world order seems destined to failure" and that the organisation's "realistic purpose has been to bolster China's bid for global domination". He went on to say that the "West has a unique opportunity to forge a new strategic alliance. India's real adversary is China, not the West, which makes an absurdity of its continued membership of BRICS. Far better to tempt India into the West's embrace...". Con Coughlin, defence and foreign affairs editor at The Daily Telegraph

Give such underhanded tactics - used against attempts to challenge the US world order - is it not more important that Wikipedia reports this event in a balanced and objective way? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.147.153.126 (talk) 20:58, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I made and maintain the map.

If there is a country that shouldn't belong on the map of brics expansion then please let me know and I will fix it. I got the information form the BRICs article. Mathsquare (talk) 04:08, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Protect the map. There are a lot of anti BRICS people trying to remove the map.
138.75.6.0 (talk) 15:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I will do exactly that!!! Mathsquare (talk) 17:42, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The whole article, not JUST the map, needs updated. The prime minister of South Africa just announced that Saudi Arabia has now officially joined BRICS (BRICS+). It's in the news from authoritative news agencies around the world on January 31/2024 and February 1/2024. See Reuters, BBC, you name it, they are all announcing this. Please update. 64.185.61.127 (talk) 14:04, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, it's the South African foreign minister who said Saudi Arabia has now officially joined BRICS. 12.233.244.107 (talk) 14:15, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Addition of Indonesia to the BRICS

The SVG maps for country members, applicants and potential members has Indonesia colored in "Applicant" candidate. It is proposed to include Indonesia in the BRICS#Countries that have applied for membership. There are quite ample references. 110.235.217.54 (talk) 09:10, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Mathsquare (talk) 00:18, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For anything about the BRICS expansion map

Please put it here and so I can easily see it. I am the author and maintainer of the map.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Map_of_BRICS_members_and_other_countries_which_are_either_joining,_had_applied_to_join,_or_had_expressed_an_interest_in_joining_BRICS.svg Mathsquare (talk) 00:19, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The foreign minister of South Africa announced that Saudi Arabia has now officially joined BRICS. See Reuters, Bloomburg, US News, and many other organizations from 1/31/2024 and 2/1/2024 headlines. Updates are needed! 12.233.244.107 (talk) 14:19, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Map needs update

Hi, Argentina's Milei confirmed that Argentina will NOT join BRICS. Sources: (Source 1, in Spanish) (Source 2, in English) CoryGlee (talk) 09:18, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The President has stated that he is not in favour of joining BRICS. It is the Congress of Argentina which has the final say. This is called democracy. 182.239.152.216 (talk) 04:24, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Global South" expansion?

Just an observation, but taking Argentina out, the expansion becomes much more obviously about the middle east san Ethiopia, which is regionally adjacent. Think BRICS meets OPEC+ power dynamic. Doyna Yar (talk) 21:55, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

I propose merging BRIC into BRICS. As it stands, the BRIC article is a smaller duplicated version of the BRICS article. The only difference between the two articles is that the latter article includes South Africa to the grouping. The addition of this one country can be explained within one article. We do not need two separate articles. The existence of multiple articles on virtually the same topic leads to worse article quality and dilutes the efforts of editors. Thenightaway (talk) 12:23, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is a good proposal. The change in title can be explained within the article. Neither article is large enough that the merge would create a size problem. Burrobert (talk) 12:33, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The talk page of BRIC, specifically from 2011-2015, reveals that many discussions were had that determined that the wishes of editors at the time was to maintain BRIC as a separate article dealing about the economic theory by Goldman Sachs, separate and distinct from the international organization. Understanding the article as this shows that BRIC really has nothing to do with the international organization we know now but rather the economic theory that the organization took its name from. I do not support a merge because a lot of that information has no place in this article and is way too in-depth. That being said, I think it should be discussed whether to keep the information in BRIC at all or if it should be retitled as BRIC (economic theory) in order to maintain a distinction. Yeoutie (talk) 16:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Editor Burrobert, you state that "Neither article is large enough that the merge would create a size problem". Both articles are 80k in size each, they are each oversize now per WP:SIZERULE. Some sort of consolidation is appropriate, possibly with a few articles on this topic and removing duplication. Possibly one article on "History of BRICS" (i.e. what is now the BRIC article), one article on BRICS as it is, and one article on its support institutions (i.e. New Development Bank and other initiatives). There may be other approaches. 182.239.152.216 (talk) 05:42, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
BRICS: Prose size (text only): 17 kB (2801 words) "readable prose size"
BRIC: Prose size (text only): 28 kB (4615 words) "readable prose size"
Policy advice on readable prose size is contained at WP:Article_size#Size_guideline. Articles with a readable prose size < 50 kB are fine. Burrobert (talk) 09:20, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you are sure that these numbers are correct, then I fully support the initiative. 182.239.152.216 (talk) 04:21, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't do the counts myself. They come from the prose size gadget. Burrobert (talk) 10:01, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for the good reasons given by Yeoutie above. The original acronym was BRIC and this was a pun on brick in a discussion of investment strategy. BRICS is now a rather different thing. As the acronym doesn't work any more, I expect that the organisation will change its name but they can't even agree on that. "BRICS Plus" seems to be the current Chinese suggestion and so the title of the BRICS article is not stable. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:18, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is no longer the discussion of editors in 2011-2015, this is a discussion for 2023-4. Times change, and so does the opinion of editors. I cannot see a reason why WP would support two articles on what is in fact the one organisation. What you expect to happen is better expressed over on WP:PREDICT. 182.239.148.125 (talk) 04:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed ~~ El819 (talk) 16:39, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(that it should be merged)~~ El819 (talk) 23:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the two articles seem to be good on their own, as one of them is about the "thesis" of Goldman Sachs and the other is about the intergovernmental organization. Natg 19 (talk) 02:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Argentina

Javier Milei has taken office. Why isn't the map updated when it has long been requested? 190.246.97.81 (talk) 22:12, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Updated to indicate what? Please expand on your request. (If you are hinting that the view of the President overrides the view of the Congress of Argentina, that remains to be seen; we will know on 1 January.) 182.239.152.216 (talk) 05:47, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is a bureaucratic delay to update the map, Argentina won't join. I hope the map is updated on Jan. 1. Cheers! --CoryGlee (talk) 11:52, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You have heard an official announcement by the Government of Argentina? If so, source please. Not a politician making some claim in the press, an official government statement. The map at 28DEC23 depicts Argentina in dark blue, that being the colour of a member state - it should currently be light blue as an invitee state for 01JAN24. 182.239.148.125 (talk) 05:16, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's sourced under "Previous applicants" and one map has been updated. There will be plenty of sources as of Diana Mondino announcing that Argentina has rejected this invitation. Cheers! 190.246.97.81 (talk) 08:24, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
At the time of "the announcement" - i.e. a comment to a newspaper on 30NOV23 - she was not holding the position of FM, but as an economist expected to be appointed. That still does not make it an official statement by the Government of Argentina. We work on facts here - its an encyclopedia. 182.239.148.125 (talk) 03:00, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, facts. They will be available in a few days. Cheers! LoL. 190.246.97.81 (talk) 08:25, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again. Is this the source so much required to update the maps? (BBC News) 190.246.97.81 (talk) 17:24, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think so, it is a reliable source which indicates a formal letter has been received. Due process is important. Unclear why you would need to "LoL", apart from lack of respect for another point of view. 182.239.148.125 (talk) 04:47, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can we at least fake impartiality?

BRICS has received both praise and criticism from numerous commentators.

Can we raise above the MSM media where everything they don't like is "controversial"? EU and NATO also have their critics (not only outsiders, but also from member states). Why don't we add to their wiki pages this kind of remarks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.26.255.6 (talk) 03:35, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2024

Change "Founder member states' initials (in English)" To "Founder member state's and South Africa's initials (in English), since South Africa isn't a founding member 83.105.0.108 (talk) 23:04, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I meant states' not state's 83.105.0.108 (talk) 23:05, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But it is. Before "BRICS" it was just an informal discussion group. It became semi-formal already with SA included. 83.240.62.42 (talk) 10:08, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should this article be renamed to BRICS+?

Considering it has grown beyond the 5 member states, it seems reasonable to rename it BRICS+.

216.165.212.4 (talk) 23:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, BRICS+ seems very appropriate. As of the morning of February 1, 2024, this article lists 9 nations in BRICS. But many authoritative news organizations announced on 1/31/2024 and 2/1/2024 that Saudi Arabia has now officially joined BRICS. So the "+" would accommodate any number of countries, and the abbreviation BRICS only highlights five of them. 64.185.61.127 (talk) 13:55, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not what sources use — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 13:59, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leaders

I noticed that Mohammed bin Salman isn't listed in the leaders section. Is this intentional? SirShaunIV (talk) 23:31, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't Saudi Arabia now a member of BRICS? First section of the article, it's not there. Here are sources for Saudi being a member:

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2024/01/29/brics-expanded-so-what-next/

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-state-tv-says-kingdom-officially-begins-membership-brics-bloc-2024-01-02/ 75.221.95.36 (talk) 04:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saudi Arabia has officially joined BRICS

Many authoritative news organizations announced that South Africa's prime Minister says Saudi Arabia has officially joined BRICS. 1/31/2024 and 2/01/2024 64.185.61.127 (talk) 13:47, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems really flaky https://www.reuters.com/site-search/?query=BRICS — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 13:57, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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