Talk:Magenta Devine

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A news item involving Magenta Devine was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 7 March 2019.

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Year of birth

1952, 1957 or 1960? The article has said 1960 for some time, until someone changed it to 1957 this evening. IMDB says 1960, so which is right? I have reverted the changes for now, but think we should get this referenced and thus sorted out. Comments welcome. TheRetroGuy (talk) 20:33, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I knew her when she was Kim Taylor and worked with me in her dads toy shop in Aylesbury and she was two years older than me so was born 1957. Have corrected the article to show this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.139.131.59 (talk) 10:32, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Her age seems to have been quite elastic in news reports. An October 1993 piece in The Independent gave her age as 34, so a birth year of 1958-59.[1] A self-penned piece for the Daily Mail said 44 in March 2007, so a birth year of 1962-63.[2] So 1957 seems entirely plausible. Jheald (talk) 14:02, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Her IMDB page now lists her as born in 1952. Adagio67 (talk) 09:54, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

IMDb is categorically NOT a reliable source; it is merely 'fan' user generated content! 78.32.143.113 (talk) 23:53, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth FindMyPast shows no birth record for the required years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:9380:1200:5C6E:F97A:4B26:3C5A (talk) 23:40, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Puts her birth year as recent as '67 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:9380:1200:5C6E:F97A:4B26:3C5A (talk) 23:58, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Heroin

Dunno if it's "notable" or whatever, but she was a heroin addict[3]. 86.144.25.251 (talk) 13:02, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The ~~Daily Fail~~ Daily Mail is also not a reliable source, though it is OK to use the DM content when collaborated by more trust-worthy sources. As far as notability goes, if her heroin addiction had proven to be noticeably detrimental and disruptive to her professional or public life, then it will be notable. However, if her addiction was 'controlled' and managed in such a way that it did not affect her professional and / or public life, it would not belong in Wikipedia. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 23:53, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural impact?

Don't know if it significant enough to include that as a result of dating a teenage John Otway, she is referenced in his song "Racing Cars". 86.165.184.186 (talk) 18:40, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a citation available from a reliable source to verify {a} her dating Otway, and {b} she is linked in the stated song? 78.32.143.113 (talk) 23:53, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

stuff to say about her

What's Magenta De Vine doing now? I can't find absolutely anything about her, online (about her current life). I can't even find, as well as where exactly she was born, if she's married or has children (nor can I even find what she looks like now; I can only ever find old images of her, as well as stuff about her past). I've always thought her to be such a nice, friendly, chirpy sort of person - exactly who TV needs more people like. Why does she even always wear those sunglasses? There's no way she can have ugly eyes, that she has to always keep them hidden from the public! Ofcdeadbeat (talk) 19:13, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The shades were very much part of her public persona. I followed her BBC Rough Guide career in great detail, and really can not recall any time that she was sans-shades. They were also a part of her desire to retain some control over her identity and privacy. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 23:53, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Name

I've put her name as Magenta De Vine, as that was her credited name during her TV Career - see How We Met: Magenta De Vine and David Okuefuna and BBC Genome search for Magenta De Vine. It also appears as 'Magenta de Vine' and actually on the Rough Guide (BBC) end credits it actually has her signature in that form too. (Rough Guide to Havana (BBC2, Series3)) So that may be as definitive as you can get. --Dafyddt (talk) 21:39, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WOAH!!! I have to strongly disagree. Apart from a small period when the shown went through a phase of using stylistically hand scrawled typeface for the end credits (where yes, for a brief period Magenta split her equity 'surname', and many were illegible), she was overwhelmingly credited as Magenta Devine in an overwhelming majority of episodes of BBC Rough Guide, and her subsequent Channel 4 works. And whilst The Independent is generally accepted as a good reliable source, even the best are allowed to make the odd mistake now and again. Unfortunately, there are no comments to the Indy article which would have no-doubt corrected the journo who penned the Indy article (maybe she was an intern!). It is reasonable to assume that the Indy article (from 1993) was never 'fact-checked' by a senior journo or editor.

As to the BBC Genome project (which never made it beyond the 'Beta' status before the project was effectively cancelled), that is also categorically NOT a reliable source. It was a user editable project (similar to a wiki or the IMDB), and crucially, never had any quality control over edits - both factually, structurally and stylistically. It is blatantly clear that someone has edited every Genome article with factually incorrect information. Accordingly, the BBC Genome project has become effectively vandalised to the point of being blinded by a purposely fictitious 'fog'. It has less than zero credibility (from an encyclopaedic fact finding source), and has no place here on any WMF wiki!

Further evidence to support 'Magenta Devine' is her self-penned article from 2007 in the Daily Mail as referenced in the first section of this talk page. If anyone can claim authority on the reliable and actual correct spelling of her name, it is surely the subject herself! Finally, a drill-down of official, respectable television videos hosted on the 'Tube overwhelmingly lists her as Magenta Devine.

A final nail in the coffin of those who try rely on sabotaged sources, during the BBC broadcasted 2019 BAFTA awards (aired Sunday evening 12 May 2019), the programme had its customary section of remembering those whom have passed away (since the previous years' BAFTA awards programme), her name was categorically listed as 'Magenta Devine'. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 23:53, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Addiction and bankruptcy

User:GiantSnowman, The career section already includes the couple of lines about addiction and bankruptcy in a better way. you have now added it twice. IMHO the bankruptcy part is deserved in the career section. The addiction might have also led to it so overall I feel the part should continue to remain there and your edits should basically be reverted back. your thoughts ? FYI it is nominated for WP:ITN/C --DBig Xrayᗙ 13:22, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How does it impact on career? That kind of information is better in a 'personal life' section or similar. Giant Snowman 13:37, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Young, Gifted and Broke

Just noticed that this article refers to it as as ITV documentary series, yet in Young, Gifted and Broke it's described as a sitcom - but not using any sources. Autarch (talk) 21:19, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]