Talk:Calvinistic Methodists

Bibliography

Have expanded this to include chief works mentioned in ODCC.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 15:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

It should be Daniel Rowland, not Daniel Rowlands - both surnames are used in the text. Can this be corrected please? (Sarah Rowland Jones - descended from the same family!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.210.201.85 (talk) 11:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't know how the name should be spelt here, but I would point out that the spelling of names changes over time, unpredictably, and sometimes different branches of a single family, or different individuals, have differing preferences. Herman Melville, for example, was born Herman Melvill; his father added the final e when Herman was a boy. --Haruo (talk) 18:09, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Doctrine

I have tagged the Doctrine section as NPOV and containing peacock terms. Do we have any reason to believe that CM preachers are any more or less humane than others? At any rate, I think that discussion would apply to CM people (lay and cleric) alike and should be addressed, if at all, in a demographics or sociology section. Peter Chastain (talk) 02:30, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the article needs much work. Do we have anyone with knowledge of the subject who could sort out the facts from the boasts? Dbfirs 22:12, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

The Doctrine section appears to have been copied from the "Encyclopaedia Britannica", 11th Edition, Volume 5, where it is not a section on doctrine as such. This section should deal with statements of faith and credal belief. Manksman (talk) 14:53, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

The name is Rowlands and not Rowland and I have replaced as many errors as I have identified with this name, see reference online Damiel Rowlands by Bishop Ryle. I have added full name in heading of both protagonists, I don't think it is professional to just use surnames. I have changed Williams Panycelyn to William Williams Pantycelyn and the date of the book 1744 and the name of the hymbook as Aleluia, source: John Hughes Morris, The Story of our Foreign Mission (Presbyterian Church of Wales) Hugh Evans & Sons, Liverpool 1930 - p.6. If an editor wishes to challenge these changes maybe he will be kind enough to dicuss in (talk). Ieuan Sant (talk) 12:48, 28 August 2010 (UTC) Ieuan Sant (talk) 12:50, 28 August 2010 (UTC) Suggest a new section dealing with the life and work of Daniel Rolands based on the account of his life by the Anglican Bishop J. C. Ryle. Rowlands was ordained in London (Church of England (Anglican))bby letters of dismissory from the Bishop of St. Davids (Wales) as curate to his older brother, John. Ieuan Sant (talk) 13:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC) Also suggest new sections for Howel Harris, and Williams Williams Pantycelyn, the biographies of thes e men are core to any history of the Welsh Calvinistic Methodists. Ieuan Sant (talk) 13:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Split and merge

"Calvinistic Methodism" is not specific to Wales. George Whitefield and Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion were not Welsh. I suggest the following changes:

• The text currently at Calvinistic Methodists should be moved/merged
  • partly to Welsh Methodist revival
  • and partly to Presbyterian Church of Wales
• Calvinistic Methodists should redirect to Calvinistic Methodism rather than vice versa
• Calvinistic Methodism should be a new article discussing the commonality, with reference to all of the above.

jnestorius^(talk) 13:12, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I agree. Str1977 ^(talk) 16:26, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, good idea. StAnselm (talk) 19:57, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Copy violations

This article appears to be rife with copy violations, mostly from the Calvinistic Methodist Archives at the National Library of Wales, which are unlikely to have been copied from Wikipedia. See the results from this tool. This breaks the Wikipedia:Plagiarism rules. The suspect text was introduced when the article was created in 2005. Unfortunately subsequent edits make it difficult to excise the offending text from material introduced by other editors. Please can we have a volunteer to rewrite the article. Verbcatcher (talk) 16:25, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping an eye open for copyright problems, Verbcatcher! However, in this particular case there's nothing to worry about: the initial version of the article was copied, with correct attribution, from this public domain article from 1911. Even if it hadn't been, we'd still probably have been OK, as the textual descriptions on the National Library of Wales site are licenced CC0 (see the last section here). I'm going to close this; but if you see any evidence of copying from other, non-free, sources, do please ping me here. Of course, the article still needs to be rewritten in modern English and supported with citations to modern independent reliable sources, but that's another story. Thanks again, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:07, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Redirect to Calvinistic Methodism?

Thoughts on this page being the re-direct to Calvinistic Methodism"?? Andrew Sledd (talk) 21:39, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I assume you are asking about the name of this article, and are not proposing a new article. We have articles named "Methodism", "Calvinism" and "Anglicanism", with various redirects. For consistency we should rename this article to "Calvinistic Methodism", and change "Calvinistic Methodists" into a redirect. Verbcatcher (talk) 19:43, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

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