Jump to content

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 23

Add links
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
< Wikipedia:Categories for discussion‎ | Log

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 121.202.202.197 (talk) at 12:33, 24 March 2024 (→‎Category:Puerto Rican luthiers). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

< March 22
March 24 >

March 23

Category:Former Ikawa Line Stations

Nominator's rationale: Seems to be a different spelling of Category:Stations of Ōigawa Railway. No other sub-cats of Category:Railway stations in Japan by company have "former" sub-cats except for the special case of Category:Kabe Line suspended stations. – Fayenatic London 21:14, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Post–World War II synagogue architecture

Nominator's rationale: delete, overlaps with Category:Synagogues by year of completion. In contrast to what the parent category suggests, the content is not about a particular architecturale style. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:08, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 21:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Puerto Rican luthiers

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in this category. (The person is already in Puerto Rican music educators, so only one target is needed) Mason (talk) 21:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Merge instead to Luthiers and Puerto Rican musicians. Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory of the United States. It isn't part of the 50 states and the DC or an incorporated territory. 121.202.202.197 (talk) 12:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Civil servants from Winnipeg

Nominator's rationale: Small category for an overly narrow intersection of characteristics. There's no defining relationship between civil service and being from Winnipeg per se, so the only basis for this would be if the parent category needed diffusion on size grounds -- but with only three people here and only four in the parent, that hasn't been established. (Upmerging to Category:People from Winnipeg not needed, as all three people here are already in other subcategories of that as it is.) Bearcat (talk) 20:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Réunion

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only 4 churches total in Category:Roman Catholic churches in Réunion, so diffusion by century isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 20:22, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Asian American music

Nominator's rationale: Other than Asian Americans in music, all the articles here are people. Current title could infer types of music specifically made by Asian Americans, and I'm not sure any such genre exists. Couldn't really think of anything else that would go in here other than more people. Adding the hyphen as C2C with the rest of Category:Asian-American culture. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:15, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The category already exists, and is called. Category:American musicians of Asian descent. Also if the category isn't merged, then it should be renamed to Asian-American music. Mason (talk) 20:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per Mason, the category only contains articles about people, not about any particular genre. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:35, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Brain cancers

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 20:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Brain cancer survivors

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. We don't have other cancer survivor categories. Mason (talk) 20:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:LGBT criminals

Nominator's rationale: This is an extremely problematic category, under WP:EGRS. We do not need an intersection of sexual orientation and crime. Similar categories have been deleted at the intersection of crime and race. Mason (talk) 19:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Filipino police generals

Nominator's rationale: The one member makes no mention of "general"; I have already removed it from Category:Filipino generals. – Fayenatic London 17:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 03:14, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Director General of National Institute for Policy and Strategic Studies

Nominator's rationale: Category created by inexperienced editor with only one member and no parents. – Fayenatic London 17:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in the Falkland Islands

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one church in each of these categories, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 14:46, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for now, without objection to recreate any of these categories when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose in the cases of the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar. Dependent territory categories don't get under the categories of the sovereign powers this way. The nominator gotta read more to make responsible nominations. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Maliseet and Category:Maliseet people

Nominator's rationale: Maliseet is becoming more of an outdated name for the peoples; Wolastoqiyik is its official name and is becoming more & preferably used including by the area's governments: New Brunswick, Quebec, and Maine. Wolastoqiyik is also preferred by the Canadian Encyclopedia,Dartmouth, CBC, etc. Additionally, my move discussion for the main article under this topic (formerly 'Maliseet') to 'Wolastoqiyik' received unanimous support and was successfully moved, so it makes sense to move the relevant categories as well. This discussion also includes Category:Maliseet people. B3251 (talk) 14:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:ISIS (K) terrorist incidents by continent

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one continent in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 13:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Guayana Esequiba

Nominator's rationale: Guayana Esequiba is not an administrative division of Guyana and shouldn't be categorized as if it is. It is the Venezuelan name of the area that is disputed by Venezuela. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Guayana Esequiba one of the geographical areas of the Guianas, like it is the case with the British, French and Dutch Guianas. It can be compared to the Patagonia or the Rocky Mountains, they don't have to be limited by administrative dvisions.
    The categories currently has articles about its flora and fauna. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The comparison with Patagonia does not hold because the name Patagonia is used in the country itself and in many other countries. In contrast, Guayana Esequiba is only used in Venezuela. It is a matter of NPOV. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:41, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Not used only by Venezuela. It's just the Spanish name for the region. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • Whether or not it is a region at all is a matter of POV. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 11:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, irredentist claim rather than a useful category tree. Looked to see if we had a similar one for Taiwan Province or Tskhinvali Region and we do not seem to. CMD (talk) 12:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: There is indeed a Taiwan Province on parts of the island of Taiwan and the islands of Pescadores, which don't cover Taipei since 1967 and Kaohsiung since 1979. It still exists on paper even after it was streamlined. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks football games

Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects. Let'srun (talk) 23:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is 191 subcategories and 5 articles to be precise. A dual merge would make that 190 subcategories and 6 articles. I can't see how that hurts navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of the 5 are about an individual game.--User:Namiba 13:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 18:57, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 11:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Palestinian people by descent

Nominator's rationale: Clearer and less ambiguous, the category:Palestinian people encompasses all individuals of Palestinian ethnicity. This name, "Palestinian people by descent," might be interpreted as including those individuals of Palestinian ethnicity whose ancestors were of a different ethnicity or nationality. However, this category actually comprises people from the State of Palestine, categorized by their descent.The term 'Palestinian' may also refer to people from the Palestine (region) or those from Mandatory Palestine, which are similarly categorized by descent. Stisorder (talk) 20:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This rename changes the scope of the category for the worse, IMO. These people are Palestinians, period. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. We also have Category:People from the State of Palestine. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose many of the people in these categories are not from the State of Palestine. It goes without saying that Palestinians have been a largely refugee and diasporic people since 1948. If we remove those who are not from the State of Palestine, we would be essentially erasing their Palestinian heritage.--User:Namiba 17:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I briefly looked through these categories and didn't find anyone not from the State of Palestine. --Yorkporter (talk) 17:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here are seven examples I found through a non-exhaustive search Mai Masri, Lisa Taraki, Elyanna, Roberto Kettlun, Alexis Norambuena, Camilo Saldaña, Pablo Tamburrini. There are many footballers who represent Palestine because of their descent and are otherwise citizens of other countries such as Chile.--User:Namiba 00:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Indeed, as User:Namiba said, there are many ethnic Palestinians who are not citizens of the State of Palestine. However, as far as I can see, we do not classify people by ethnicity and descent‎ simultaneously. See also similar case here: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023_December 26#Category:Arab people by descent. Place Clichy and Nederlandse Leeuw probably know more whether we categorize people based on the shared aspects of their ethnicity and descent. Yorkporter (talk) 17:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Note: I was pinged. We only categorise people based on their descent if it is known and relevant; this may differ from their citizenship (or subject-hood) or nationality. There have been endless discussions about when it is "relevant", which need not be repeated here. Suffice to say that ethnicity and descent tend to be a lot more controversial than someone's legal affinity to a jurisdiction (unless the status of that jurisdiction is disputed). NLeeuw (talk) 17:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as this changes the scope. People with a defining link to Palestine in other eras also deserve to be called Palestinian. This includes for instance people at the time of the British Mandate, and not just the Arabs. Place Clichy (talk) 18:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Place Clichy A Category:People from Mandatory Palestine by descent already exists. Review who is actually included now in the categories being discussed. Yorkporter (talk) 19:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That was just an example. The State of Palestine was declared in 2013 IIRC. There were Palestinian people before then. Place Clichy (talk) 22:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also wanted to add that Category:Palestinian people of Israeli descent is absolutely the wrong way of framing it. The Arab Palestinian population within the state of Israel are largely self-defined as Palestinian. An Arab citizen of Israel who represents the Palestinian national football team is Palestinian, not of Israeli descent. So this category should be deleted, period.--User:Namiba 18:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here I agree with you. Category:Israeli emigrants to Palestine should be deleted as well. Yorkporter (talk) 21:16, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 19:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 11:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:10th-century Danish clergy

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Unhelpful for navigation to only have one person in here. Mason (talk) 04:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 19:14, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 11:29, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Slovenian geriatricians

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to diffuse this medical specialty by nationality to this degree. Each of these noms have one or two people in them Mason (talk) 22:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is a circular argument. After the merge very little of the tree will be left. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Additional categories were added to the nomination, relisting to allow time for discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 11:26, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment The entire categorisation scheme of Wikipedia consists of occupation by nationality categories, many with few members. The other issue I see is then having say British and American geriatricians in subcategories but having a large category of geriatricians not divided by nationality. I'm not sure that assists in navigation, either. AusLondonder (talk) 22:26, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Necrothesp. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Executed American revolutionaries

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 04:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pre-computer cryptographers

Nominator's rationale: The current name isn't very helpful (not that mine is much better. But I'm trying to contrast Category:Modern cryptographers). I would love better suggestions. Mason (talk) 04:01, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The above alternative better aligns with the existing category trees. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support alternative. Even better! Thank you :) Mason (talk) 14:24, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:15th-century Indian politicians

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category is a redundant layer that's unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sammarinese historians

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category with only one person in it, isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sammarinese women poets

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to diffuse women writers yet, with only one poet in here. Mason (talk) 00:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_23&oldid=1215323840"