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British postnominals despoiling the Tibetan name of a Nepalese-Indian citizen

Well, how does the Britannica article begin its article: "Tenzing Norgay Tibetan mountaineer Alternate titles: Namgyal Wangdi, Tenzing Norkay, Tenzing Norkey" Born: May 15, 1914 China Died: May 9, 1986 (aged 71) Darjeeling India Tenzing Norgay, (Nepalese: “Wealthy-Fortunate Follower of Religion”) Norgay also spelled Norkey or Norkay, original name Namgyal Wangdi, (born May 15, 1914, Tshechu, Tibet [now Tibet Autonomous Region, China]—died May 9, 1986, Darjeeling [now Darjiling], West Bengal, India), Tibetan mountaineer who in 1953 became, with Edmund (later Sir Edmund) Hillary of New Zealand, the first person to set foot on the summit of Mount Everest, the world’s highest peak (29,035 feet [8,850 metres]; see Researcher’s Note: Height of Mount Everest)." I don't see any OMs or OBEs. Besides the Government of India does not allow its citizens to use postnominals for even their highest civilian awards such as the Bharat Ratna.

Similarly, Ronald Reagen or Rudy Guiliani never used Sir or OM. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:46, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Does the picture caption at the JFK library say, "President Kennedy meets with the President of India Sir Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan, OM, FBA? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Fowler&fowler: first, the lede has featured the George Medal postnominal for over a decade and the Order of the Star of Nepal for at least 6 years (didn't check too deeply) before you decided to favour the article with your little burst of outrage, so the correct approach when your edit is challenged is to discuss, NOT re-revert and bluster. But since I don't think these letters are a big deal in the end I'm going to ignore that you apparently have never heard of WP:BRD.
Second, MOS:POSTNOM does suggest that these may be omitted "if the subject seldom uses them". It may well be that they are little mentioned, in which case we probably shouldn't either. That is NOT demonstrated by other people using or not using the honour, but soley by whether sources that treat Tenzing Norgay do so.
In any case, please stop the silly grandstanding about "despoiling" and "postcolonialism"; this is a matter of sourcing and WP MOS, not an opportunity to parade your precious sensibilities. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Every encyclopaedia will have its own house style. I don't see why we need to slavishly mimic Encyclopedia Britannica. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:35, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure Ronald Reagan ever used the Golden Pheasant Award either, but that's a bit beside the point. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:35, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Because we are written by generally ignorant novices in the glow of an illusion that anyone can edit anything, that knowledge does not matter, only rules written by high-schoolers do; Britannica, on the other hand, is written by experts who have spent a not inconsiderable portion of their lives in acquiring the wisdom that citizens of egalitarian postcolonial democracies might consider the foisting of postnominals by another country, especially the former colonizer, to be both paternalistic and presumptuous.
There is also a small army of British-POV promoters who go around re-adding these postnominals when the experts remove them.
I don't mean you Martineevans. Apologize if it might have seemed that way. I've experienced similar things at Ratan Tata and a few others. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:22, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS Although I will hate myself for saying this, given that it will waste my precious time, maybe the best thing is to have an RfC at WT:INDIA and propose something similar to MOS:INDICSCRIPTS. Not now as I'm busy saving Darjeeling at FAR, so don't really have my heart in this, but sometime later. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 10:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PPS The Indian honorifics are already discouraged in Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Indic)#Titles_and_honorifics, including the major Indian civilian awards. Pinging @Abecedare, Vanamonde93, RegentsPark, and Kautilya3: for advice. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:06, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The future RfC proposal will obviously need to factor when the award was bestowed, in colonial times or postcolonial, and when the individual acquired their notability. So, it could become complicated. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:12, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It wouldn't apply to Muhammad Iqbal, for example. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:14, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If your time is that precious, feel free to leave this Wikipedia page alone. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:18, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
True. But I'm here because I added a picture of TN and JN to the postcolonial history of Darjeeling. Writing the caption there, seems to have brought me to this page and to its inequities. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:06, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
After reading that bit of self-aggrandizing puffery you just delivered above - I'll want to wait for the input of a few other editors with less of an ego and more deceny. I don't feel I want to rely on the judgement of someone with such disdain for all those ignorant novices despoiling the project... --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:09, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Uncharted

I believe the character in the video game, Uncharted 2, was named after him as well. 174.95.59.169 (talk) 05:05, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2023

Change Nationality from 'Nepalese Indian' to just Nepalese. DebianMonkey (talk) 12:22, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Nationality changes are always contentious. According the the article and sources he was of both Nepalese and Indian nationality. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:11, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Uncited Shipton reference

Please update the missing citation at the end of the first paragraph of the Mountaineering section with citation to Eric Shipton's autobiography, That Untravelled World. My copy does not have page numbers but in Chapter 4, "Himalayan Hey-Day," Shipton writes: "There was another prophetic incident. From a hundred applicants, we chose fifteen Sherpas to accompany the expedition from Darjeeling. Nearly all of them were old friends, including, of course, Angtarkay, Pasang and Kusang; but there was one Tibetan lad of nineteen, a newcomer, chosen largely because of his attractive grin. His name was Tensing Norkay—or Tensing Bhotia as he was generally called." 2600:1700:36E1:710:C4F7:670D:56A0:2453 (talk) 17:17, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done DreamRimmer (talk) 17:53, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Awkward Construction in Lead

Couldn't one change "known to certainly reach" to "confirmed to have reached"? It feels less awkward and the tense is clearer. 72.46.2.163 (talk) 16:33, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In the popular MMORPG, Old School RuneScape, there is a character named Tenzing.

This character, when examined, says "an experienced Sherpa". He lives at the bottom of a mountain and the player uses Tenzing's advice to find a path to the top of a mountain.

I believe this should be referenced in a section called other media or popular culture. I've never made edits to Wikipedia before and am not sure what the best practice is.

Source: https://oldschoolrunescape.fandom.com/wiki/Tenzing 104.189.77.36 (talk) 07:17, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

edit request

Tenzing Norgay Trainor redirects to Tenzing Norgay#Descendants. i'd like to see some discussion about the actor's name not being a redirect.

(Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tenzing_Norgay_Trainor&redirect=no implies a draft exists at Draft:Tenzing Norgay Trainor, but that also redirects to Tenzing Norgay#Descendants. Is that a problem with the template? i don't completely understand Wikipedia templates.)

According to Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Entertainers

a person may be considered notable if The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions

Does his work in Liv and Maddie, Abominable (2019 film), and Abominable and the Invisible City meet that standard?

Apparently he has had other roles too, but i haven't seen them so i don't know how significant those roles were. According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists of works#Basic list style – examples

Complete lists of works, appropriately sourced to reliable scholarship (WP:V), are encouraged

but Tenzing Norgay Trainor has more than seems appropriate for inclusion in the Tenzing Norgay article or Tenzing (name) "disambiguation".

Thoughts? 173.67.42.107 (talk) 10:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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