Talk:Gifford Pinchot

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Gifford Pinchot article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Pennsylvania High‑importance

	Pennsylvania portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Pennsylvania, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Pennsylvania on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PennsylvaniaWikipedia:WikiProject PennsylvaniaTemplate:WikiProject PennsylvaniaPennsylvania articles
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Forestry (inactive)

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Forestry, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.ForestryWikipedia:WikiProject ForestryTemplate:WikiProject ForestryForestry articles

Environment High‑importance

	Environment portal This environment-related article is part of the WikiProject Environment to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the environment. The aim is to write neutral and well-referenced articles on environment-related topics, as well as to ensure that environment articles are properly categorized. Read Wikipedia:Contributing FAQ and leave any messages at the project talk page.EnvironmentWikipedia:WikiProject EnvironmentTemplate:WikiProject EnvironmentEnvironment articles
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

United States: Governors Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject U.S. governors (assessed as Low-importance).

Biography: Politics and Government

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the politics and government work group (assessed as Low-importance).

Alive?

"He was alive in Simsbury, Connecticut in 1865"

Huh? Is this supposed to read "born"?

Also, I believe Grey Towers is in Milford, not outside it.

GeneCallahan (talk) 11:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC) Done24.139.51.14 (talk) 22:36, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not Fully Balanced

This item doesn't adequately explain the extent to which Pinchot opposed preservationists, nor that his main achievement and interest was in applying what passed for science to the logging business and to the U.S. Forest Service bureaucracy. I changed the statement that his goal was "saving forests" to "developing forestry concepts." I also changed the characterization of John Muir as a "back to nature" spokesman to "preservationist." A number of environmentalists today apparently consider Pinchot something of a villain, most famously for his key support for damming Hetch Hetchy Valley. This ought to be reflected in the article. --- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.45.63 (talk) 14:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

---It would be interesting to find out if he is partially or wholly responsible for the phrase "Land of Many Uses" Kidshare (talk) 05:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone recently vandalized this entry. I corrected the first sentence, but other malicious nonsense remains, which unfortunately I have no time right now to fix. Hoping someone can return this entry to full fact. Hattanguy 20:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

anyone interested in adding more to this stub can use these URLs to find more information:

Cheers, Kingturtle 22:11, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Done! - David Gerard 00:12, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Done 24.139.51.14 (talk) 22:38, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In a paper, I read things about the post-war (post-WWI) controversies in forestry reforms, and the conflict between the conservationists led by Pinchot and the other side led by Forest Service chiefs Henry Graves and William Greeley. It is said there that their side finally won and their ideas were realized, and the conservationists were then backed (I summarize). Someone who would enrich the article about Pinchot on this can read the paper there: http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/eh/8.2/west.html

Un lievre 19:32, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pinchot retirement plan

I just got a spam email for the "Pinchot Retirement Plan" named after Gifford Pinchot. I'm not sure what it is but they say I can retire rich. --Gbleem 21:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I got some junk mail, probably from the same place. I think it's a Real Estate Investment Trust, which is a legitimate idea. I was wondering if Pinchot really intended it as a retirement plan. I think some marketing guy is getting paid to come up with new names for old ideas.

Pinchot pass

isn't Pinchot pass on the John Muir Trail in California also named after Gifford Pinchot? 141.154.154.243 (talk) 13:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great Good

"Where conflicting interests must be reconciled, the question shall always be answered from the standpoint of the greatest good of the greatest number in the long run." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Napkin Party (talk • contribs) 05:37, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do you pronounce his name?

I hiked to the rim of Mount St Helens last weekend and of course one of the names I ran into that hadn't really heard of before was Gifford Pinchot. How do you pronounce his last name? Is it Pinch-ought, or Pinch-aw, or something else? Please help. Thanks. Kidshare (talk) 05:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC) Done24.139.51.14 (talk) 22:36, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pinch'oh 73.116.129.57 (talk) 20:08, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Historical Marker in PA

File:Gifford Pinchot historical marker in PA.jpg

Photo of historical marker in Milford, PA

Here is a historical marker in Milford, PA near Grey Towers about Gifford Pinchot. It says:

Gifford Pinchot (1865 – 1946): Noted forester, conservationalist, and progressive leader. Chief, 1898 – 1910, U.S. Forest Service (as renamed in 1905). Governor of Pennsylvania, two terms, 1923 – 1927 & 1931 – 1935. His first term brought major governmental reorganization. His second term was famed for the paving of rural roads throughout the state — including this road — to provide unemployment relief & "get the farmer out of the mud." Grey Towers was his family home.

Hopefully this marker helps develop the article. Jason Quinn (talk) 02:07, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re-assigned important ratings

How can this guy not be high important for both PA and Forestry? Rating him as 'low' for forestry is insane. Jason Quinn (talk) 02:12, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done 24.139.51.14 (talk) 22:38, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Free image

Another free image of Pinchot can be found here (free as published in the US before 1923). Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Second Term as Governor

Pardon me for putting this at the beginning, not the end of the talk page, since I'm afraid it might get lost (as this man sometimes is). The article has a long section about the Pennsylvania governor's race as the depression deepened, but nothing about the next race, after which a democrat named Earle (mentioned only in the infobox) succeeded Pinchot. I'm in Illinois now and don't have the resources or time to do the research, but I seem to remember Pennsylvania's republicans again self-immolating. I've made a few corresponding changes to articles concerning Pennsylvania's state parks, since I remember Pinchot's influence in Pine Grove Furnace/French Creek and with the CCC. I was surprised to look at the list of state parks, to which I linked, and realize that the Laurel Highlands were a disaster area, the remediation of which began immediately after Pinchot left office. I'd love to know if that too was his legacy, for I don't think he sat back and wallowed in personal depression as his state and beloved forests struggled.Jweaver28 (talk) 14:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Link misdirect?

Dr. Gifford Bryce Pinchot's link is mis-directed to this page instead of his own page? Samuelsenwd (talk) 09:44, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What is his page? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:36, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Best as I can tell there is currently no article on Gifford Bryce Pinchot. I've removed the circular link in this article. Thanks for pointing this out. Kind regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 14:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done 24.139.51.14 (talk) 22:38, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cornelia Bryce Pinchot

Very little mention of Pinchot's wife, Cornelia Bryce Pinchot, daughter of U.S. Congressman Lloyd Bryce, or Pinchot's family life. Regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 14:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The documentary that aired today gave her a bigger role, but I chose to fix other parts. Plus, I'm still far away from necessary resources. So I'm hoping that someone else sees the documentary and can make the worthwhile changes.Jweaver28 (talk) 02:55, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Gifford Pinchot. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110604024100/http://www.nasonline.org/site/PageServer?pagename=AWARDS_pwm to http://www.nasonline.org/site/PageServer?pagename=AWARDS_pwm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 19:51, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on Gifford Pinchot. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 08:33, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Gifford Pinchot. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 20:46, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Fire storm of 1910 and the descent of the Forest Service" seems biased, difficult to confirm with sources

Can we find better sources for this section? If you ask me, it feels like an attack on the Forest Service.

Neuralnewt (talk) 19:12, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This section is also largely copy-pasted from the William Greeley Wikipedia page.

Neuralnewt (talk) 20:34, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree-- the major studies of Pinchot do not give much attention to this episode. The section says little about Pinchot and is badly sourced. So I dropped it. Rjensen (talk) 04:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When did Pinchot meet Muir?

Although note 19 correctly cites Miller saying they met in 1892, Clayton's "Natural Rivals," p. 225, argues that it was 1893. The Sierra Club (https://vault.sierraclub.org/john_muir_exhibit/people/pinchot.aspx) agrees. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bomahh (talk • contribs) 23:24, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]