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Liberia

Why is Liberia omitted from this article? It should be classified as a settler colonial state akin to Israel and Taiwan. DaRealPrinceZuko (talk) 08:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source? (t · c) buidhe 15:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2006/03/our-liberian-legacy/304821/ DaRealPrinceZuko (talk) 19:42, 9 January 2024
As far as I can tell, that article doesn't mention settler colonialism. (t · c) buidhe 23:30, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article described Liberia as an American colony formed by the American Colonization Society to repatriate African-Americans. DaRealPrinceZuko (talk) 04:53, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article is about the concept of settler colonialism. In order to merit inclusion in this article, at a minimum the source must be about settler colonialism. This source is not, so it does not meet the criteria. See WP:NOR. (btw, I disagree with the "by country" format, because I don't think it's helpful for conveying information and distracts from the key aspects of the topic). (t · c) buidhe 05:21, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that Liberia was a colony settled by African-Americans actually proves my point of the American Colonization Society being a settler colonial project. Have a look at the Colony of Liberia article. DaRealPrinceZuko (talk) 06:55, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 February 2024

Opening paragraph change "per-existing population of a region" to pre-existing population of a region" Steveqj (talk) 13:10, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 14:20, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this topic confined to post-15th century examples

The definition of "settler colonialism" given in the article seems to apply equally well to colonialism as practiced by empires in previous eras, such as the Phoenician?Carthaginian quasi-empire, the empire of Alexander and his generals, the Roman empire, the Mongol empire, etc. Should not these also be included in the article? K.a.carroll (talk) 20:15, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

K.a.carroll you're right that the article needs a lot of work. However, you will have to look at the books about settler colonialism to find out what they cover and emphasize. (t · c) buidhe 02:02, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some people are starting to ask questions but in general I don't think you'll find this terms applied to non-European conquests involving population movements and we have to follow reliable sources. Alaexis¿question? 12:04, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But you will find it applied to older European conquests involving population movements, such as Greek settler colonialism in Sicily. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're right. Alaexis¿question? 22:31, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Non-notable book

User:Buidhe reverted my latest edit and argues that Empire of the People: Settler Colonialism and the Foundations of Modern Democratic Thought is a notable book and should be redlinked.

It doesn't seem like this book meets the GNG, and shouldn't be redlinked because it's not notable. I would just revert, but since this article has 1RR, I thought I would bring these here. Peter L Griffin (talk) 00:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Same also appears to go for Settler Capitalism by Donald Denoon. Peter L Griffin (talk) 00:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you do a quick Google Scholar search? Empire of the People has several reviews, and is a straightforward WP:NBOOK pass [1]
Same with Settler Capitalism, which was still getting reviewed decades after being published! [2] (t · c) buidhe 01:03, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Archetype?

While both are widely considered examples of settler colonialism, I think it's more accurate to say the archetype was the Anglo-American settlements. In comparison, the Zionist colonialization has not been as successful to date. In the US or Australia, there is no longer a Indigenous population significant enough to challenge political power in the country. We should strive for high quality sources which means looking at academic papers and books, not The Atlantic. (t · c) buidhe 03:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Atlantic article is opposed to the concept of settler colonialism as a frame of analysis. However, it is quoting Patrick Wolfe and other scholars in the field, who state that Israel is a far better example than the British settler colonies.
They based their analysis of settler colonialism primarily on Israel. Rather than East Timor, the British settler colonies, and what not. As the Wikipedia article should reflect what they claim: Israel is their given example. KlayCax (talk) 03:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you copy paste the quotes here? Maybe we can check if they are typical or perhaps cherry-picked. (t · c) buidhe 04:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wolfe and many of his fellow theorists tossed down a final desultory intellectual move. Surveying a worldwide tapestry of colonial oppressions and conquests, they insisted that a single nation offered the sharpest and most troubling example of settler colonialism: Israel... Wolfe wrote that Israel was unique for its Jewish founders’ deceptive ideological sleights of hand, their “self-hatred,” and the denial of its oppression and “extirpation” of the Arabs. “Zionism rigorously refused, as it continues to refuse, any suggestion of Native assimilation,” Wolfe wrote. “Zionism,” Wolfe insisted, “constitutes a more exclusive exercise of the settler logic of elimination than we encounter in the Australian and U.S. examples.” Wolfe (and most scholars of settler colonialism) based their theories on Israel, @Buidhe:. Wolfe argued that the British settler colonies often zig-zagged in and out of settler colonialism. In contrast, he saw it as a fundamental part of Zionism and Israeli identity as a whole.
According to Google scholar: Israel is mentioned 10x compared to any individual British settler colony. (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, United States.) KlayCax (talk) 04:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On the other hand the article already cites: