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Haha. I will certainly do it. Btw I found another recently created article that fails GNG. See Battle of Thane. I am not much experienced creating an speedy deletion discussion. Could you do it after double checking the sources and notability? Imperial[AFCND]12:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ImperialAficionado, if there's any discussion to be had, you're not looking for "speedy deletion". That's WP:CSD, and it's only for some very specific conditions like "there is literally no comprehensible text" and "sole author requests deletion". If you think it's very obvious that something ought to be deleted, such that no one is likely to disagree, that's not a speedy deletion (use WP:PROD for that). -- asilvering (talk) 23:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please review Criteria for Speedy Deletion so you are more familiar with the different criteria and when they apply. You can't take a page that is a redirect, blank the page and then tag it for deletion as an article with no context. It was never an article, it was a redirect. The appropriate criteria is CSD R2 which is a redirect from main space to Draft space. You shouldn't need to guess at what criteria is appropriate, if you want to patrol pages you have to know them very well and that comes from reviewing the criteria, not skimming over the page, and seeing when they are appropriate and which namespace they apply to.
Also, you don't need to tag the Talk page for speedy deletion, Twinkle automatically deletes talk pages when it deletes articles, templates or drafts. Thanks again. LizRead!Talk!08:13, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do not edit articles involving Mewar and Malwa conflict
All the mainstream historians have accepted that Sultans of Malwa, Gujarat and Nagore were defeated by Rana Kumbha conclusively and they had to retreat.
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Fails verification. Not even the page number is provided. If you have access to the book, quote down the entire part on the talk page of the article. My personal talk page is not a place where to comment about this. Imperial[AFCND]09:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rima Hooja- Maharana Pratap:The invincible warrior, page number 65-a
later work, Nainsi’s Khyat , by one of the kingdom of Marwar’s
ministers, Muhnot Nainsi, maintains that he commanded
40,000 soldiers. A still later work, Kaviraj Shyamaldas’s Vir Vinod
Why you are nominating to delete image which is sourced
@ImperialAficionado As you have nominated a my image foe the greatest extent of Mewar for deletion. I have given the page no 452 in A History of Rajasthan by Rima Hooja. If you at that time was not able to find source you would have contacted me. Nevertheless I am citing the source from the mentioned book " As a consequence of Sanga’s exploits, the borders of Mewar by this period extended from near Mandu (the capital of Malwa), in the south to Peela Khal (Pilya Khal), a small rivulet near Bayana and Agra, in the north-east, and deep into the desert country (stretching towards the river Indus) west and north-west of Mewar." Rawn3012 (talk) 04:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not how mapping works. One source should show the map itself with its boarders. Pinging @पाटलिपुत्र. He can help you with it. Your map was just an ellipse with awful boarder, including unnecessary texts. That's why I nominated that for deletion.Imperial[AFCND]04:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ImperialAficionadoImperialAficionadoThere is no rule on wikepedia regarding that if you have source which is clearly mentioning the territorial extent you can make it. See the map of Chola Empire on its wikepedia page Rawn3012 (talk) 05:00, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ImperialAficionado We are discussing on the map above. Talking about the prior history I am accepting that the maps[only some] are subject to copyright which I have agreed to delete but as I was busy with some other task. I was not be able to it. Rawn3012 (talk) 06:26, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Map of the territory of the Sisodiyas, in Schwartzberg, Joseph E. (1978). A Historical atlas of South Asia. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. p. 148, map XIV.4 (c). ISBN0226742210.
I am attaching the map derived from the Schwartzberg Atlas. The [2] map seems rather exaggerated, especially the northern extension: the border should stop well before Uttar Pradesh. Technically, it is accepted to make a map based on textual evidence only, but here the text is a bit vague, and the map shows a larger territory: "As a consequence of Sanga’s exploits, the borders of Mewar by this period extended from near Mandu (the capital of Malwa), in the south to Peela Khal (Pilya Khal), a small rivulet near Bayana and Agra, in the north-east, and deep into the desert country (stretching towards the river Indus) west and north-west of Mewar." Better to follow Schwartzberg. Also, using a modern map as a base is a bad idea: it is anachronistic. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra)(talk)06:26, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@पाटलिपुत्र The map given by you does not include Rana Sanga's territories of Northern Gujarat(Visalnagar,Vadnagar,Patan and Idar) which he conquered in Sanga's Invasion of Gujarat also the other territories such as Marwar and Bikaner. For your point that map should end before Uttar pradesh you hade to check this line from A History Of Rajasthan by Rima Hooja page 453" The Princes of Marwar and Amber did him homage and the Raos of Gwalior, Ajmer, Sikrl, Raisen, KalpI, Chanderl, Bundi, Gagraun, Rampura and Abu served him as tributaries.” It includes Kalpi which is in Uttarpradesh. The map can be improved. By nominating it for deletion is wrong step Rawn3012 (talk) 06:39, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi, I was not able to find any reliable refs for this conflict. Maybe you will be able to do better here to improve the page. Ranadhira (talk) 07:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was also unable to get any reliable sources. The two refs that are there also barely mention this event. The steps you have taken are correct, but I cannot see any future for the page. Ranadhira (talk) 10:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
[3] pg.206 mentions that the conflict took place between Jawahar and Najib till February 1766 and ended in the complete failure of Jawahar, with him spending lakhs of rupees on Sikh and Maratha mercenaries. Ranadhira (talk) 11:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's give some time to the creators and editors. If they fails to bring sources that shares about this in-dept, I will propose for a deletion. Else, we can build it. Imperial[AFCND]11:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand why this much obsession over those articles. All the concerns have been cleared, and as WP:RS cites those, I am not willing to remove them. Imperial[AFCND]11:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey@ImperialAficionado Do you have the book pdf of Mewar under Maharana Kumbha by Upendra Nath Dey. I have read all the the other the books based on his life but this one is remaining. As you edited Article of Battles of Mandalgarh and Banas by citing his book. I hope you would be having that.
Hey@ImperialAficionado I have recently made an article regarding the Mewar-malwa conflict and have nearly completed the work for Mewar- Gujarat conflicts, but while doing these things. One thing came to my mind that Malwa and Gujarat not only fought wars with Mewar but also fought with themselves then I got the idea to create a separate or edit the newly created Mewar-Malwa conflict article into a new article which would describe the struggles between Mewar, Gujarat, and Malwa. It would be a time-consuming process as the article should contain a struggle between all three.
^Fox, Richard Gabriel (1977). Realm and Region in Traditional India. Duke University, Program in Comparative Studies on Southern Asia. p. 87. ISBN978-0-916994-12-9. According to Suryavanshi, Abhiras got settled in south-western Rajasthan and north-eastern Sindh in the first century B.C. This region was called Abhiradesha.
R. D. Banerji is generally regarded as a reliable historian, with his work on the economic history of Bengal being particularly well-regarded;he was also an Indian archaeologist and an officer of the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI).
See WP:RAJ. It is a consensus of not using Raj era sources, especially of British officers in British Raj. R. D Banerji was indeed not an Indian archeology officer, but a Raj officer. It is not just an essay, but is widely accepted at WP:HISTRS. Adding that again and again just cause edit warring and loss of editing privileges. Take care, and try using better sources instead of sticking into a single source. Imperial[AFCND]14:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then should i just remove it since that's the viewpoint of R.D. Banerji and there is no other source supporting his claim except 'modern review (Calcutta)'? Based Kashmiri (talk) 15:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Mahārāṇā Pratāpa ke pramukha sahayogī (in Hindi). Rājasthānī Granthāgāra. 1997. सांगा ने हरिदास महियारिया को चित्तौड़ का राज्य देकर प्रथम राष्ट्र कवि के पद पर आसीन किया । हरिदास ने खानवा प्रथम स्वाधीनता के निर्णायक युद्ध में अपने प्राणों की आहुति दी।
Haridas Kesaria † Source⤴️
Battle Of Khanwa- was one of the Commanders of Rana Sanga. led the last charge on the Mughal left Flank after Ajja Jhala commanded the charge on the Right while Rana Sanga Ji was being carried away from the field after being heavily injured. Historyonlyfavoursvictors (talk) 10:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Military history coordinators review the bot rating assessments of articles. I have read Bahmani–Vijayanagar War (1398). The terms "lacs of hun" and "lahks of tankas" appear in the final paragraph. I have linked lahk to the article about that topic. I assume "lacs" is a different measurement. There are no articles on hun as a monetary unit or on tankas. Can you give a further explanation, perhaps in a footnote if necessary, as to the meaning and value of these units? I think it would be especially helpful to give an estimate of the worth in current dollars or pounds. I think a further explanation would help the reader understand the size and worth of these payments. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 01:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. Both "Lakh" and "Lac" refers to Lakh. It was the problem within the sources. Tankas were one of the currencies used in medieval India, lacks a seperate article on it. Imperial[AFCND]08:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Responding here as it relates to more than one page/a larger issues. In regards to the request to add the aforementioned page to the bundled AfD, unfortunately I can't add it now that discussion has begun and others have offered their opinions in the discussion; the rules of AfD state that an article requires the full 7-day discussion period. This one can be nominated separetely; if you'd like to do that, I would suggest using WP:Twinkle as it simplified the process. Be sure to read the rules of WP:AfD and ground your deletion rational in policy-based arguments.
However, in regards to the editor and the pages previously discussed, I have a feeling that there are large OR and HOAX issues at play. I think discussing this at ANI would be required, my plan is to thoroughly examine the references provided all the sources and, if necessary, discuss this there. microbiologyMarcus[petri dish·growths]12:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank! I do believe there's something amiss. Another brand new user is actively editing within the same field as the author of these articles. It's concerning that the author isn't making an effort to learn the policies, nor is providing proper edit summaries for their contentious changes. Thank you for your well wishes for the exams. Regards. Imperial[AFCND]13:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @MicrobiologyMarcus, I looked into the conflict and found some good sources. I made a mistake in my search earlier, so I might have missed some info. I'm not sure if it meets GNG.
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There are copyright issues in some parts, and I'm not sure if there are more. Also, the article could be better if it was written in a fair way. Imperial[AFCND]13:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Siege of Vijayanagar
I have reviewed the bot assessment of the Siege of Vijayanagar. I noted that the infobox states that the Bahmani force was 40,000 and the Vijayanagar force was approximately 1 million. These figures are not repeated in the text. Can you provide a citation for these numbers? Certainly smaller forces have defeated larger ones, and circumstances seem to have gone against the Vijayanarar force, but it seems all out of proportion for a force of 40,000 (even cavalry) to defeat a force of 1 million. A citation would be helpful to avoid questions about a force this large being defeated by such a small force. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 04:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hy ImperialAficionado, Could you please select a low-context and confusing article about Alaudin Khalji's invasion of Mathila for deletion? I did tried But I am weak in editing Hassan Gangu (talk) 10:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hy ImperialAficionado, Could you please select a low-context and confusing article about Alaudin Khalji's invasion of Mathila for deletion? I did tried But I am weak in editing and please look over preventing vandalism in Shivaji's article Hassan Gangu (talk) 10:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Mr. Imperial Aficionado. You should join the discussion in the Gupta Empire's Talk section article. I'm planning to initiate a campaign to remove the inaccurate map of the Gupta Empire, which merges different historical eras into one. Your opinion would be valuable there. DeepstoneV (talk) 10:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. I am unable to help because I am not an issue expert in the field of mapping. You can seek help from experienced editors, who can make better opinions. Regards. Imperial[AFCND]10:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. From 1900–1947, they used 1900-1947, from 18th century to 1900, 18th century-1900 and Asafia Asafia flag is not regularly used in that time period. Imperial[AFCND]12:20, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Please review the WP:LISTCRITERIA I have added to the article.
Each list entry needs to be properly referenced. If an entry has a article such as Umayyad conquest of Sindh, and the article references support the list entry adding a reference is optional, but might be helpful.
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The details of the entry need referenced; one ref per line is fine if it is easily verified, but more may be needed, remember multiple editors will probably want to verify WP:V the reference supports the content.
Since history is an academic subject and neutrality has been disputed, I strongly suggest you use only neutral academic secondary sources with page numbers or chapter names, not websites, and never blogs.
I think the next thing that should be worked on it is the Notes column, this usually is a brief note related to the result, it should always conform to the result in the article the entry links to. Again this should reflect the referenced content in the article or article section the link is pointing to.
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I strongly suggest against this, but you can move it yourself, however I would expect it to go to AfD again if it is not reviewed.
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@TimothyBlue, Thank you for your help. Another idea I had was about creating "List of historical records of Indian history", listing similar to the above work, dedicating consecutive columns for "Work name", "Author", "Year", "Context", "Link". But I am losing the hope after this AFD. What do you think about that? I won't be able to respond to your reply (I am in a long term break), but clet me know what you think about it. Imperial[AFCND]16:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The key to a good bibliography is article organization and planning. You need a solid inclusion criteria (to prevent spamming the article), and a consistent citation style. I limit my annotations to book reviews, any other annotation should be neutral and sourced like any content.
I would not use a table for this, it is just to cumbersome for editors and readers, and hard to work on an limiting as to what you can do. They work well for tabular data, but for longer lists, they are often abandoned in favor of a more flexible way to layout the content.
The article title you have above is a bit ambiguous; I'm not sure what type of document you are creating a bibliography for.
What Wikipedia really needs is a Bibliography of Indian history that is then broken down into sub articles about each major period of Indian history; Bibliography of Indian history would be the parent set index with sub articles for periods such as Bibliography of Indian history (1947-present). See Bibliography of Russian history and the sub articles created for each period and special topics. I'd say three sub article would be good to begin working on Bibliography of Indian history (19xx-present), Bibliography of Indian history (Colonial era or xxxx-xxxx format), Bibliography of Indian history (pre Colonial).
There is a piece of software for bibliographies called Zotero that many Wikipedians use and I find it very helpful. As for writing you want to avoid using a word processor because of all the code in the text. I use Visual Studio Code with the Mediawiki extension and it works well for me.
This is a monumental task, but it is very worth the effort and will be an resource many will use (I know profs and students all over the world that use the Russian bibliography, I shamelessly promote it off wiki in academia as a teaching resource and get ~3500 views each month in total). I already had a Bibliography of Russian history written for my own use, it still took me almost three years (4+hrs per day) to plan, write, reference the series (It was my pandemic project).
Go for quality, go slow and steady and this will be an excellent addition to Wikipedia. I've obviously thought about this series before and would be happy to help you with the technical and formatting issues. // Timothy :: talk18:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TimothyBlue I have been eager to get this. I am very interested in medieval Indian history. Could I create an article called Bibliography of Medieval Indian History? And can we include modern books as well, with works from contemporary era? I have read many books that could help others editors. Thank you for letting me use your work as a reference. I will do my best, but it will take some time. Best Regards. Imperial[AFCND]15:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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There is recently going a dispute in the Mughal Empire's talk page, Whether we should add "Indo-Muslim" before the empire in the lead or not, Though there are several WP:RS by well reputed historians such as [1]
which calls it Indo-Muslim, it still remains a matter of dispute and a RFC is held there. You can consider going there and give your vote/opinions on that. Thank you. Malik-Al-Hind (talk) 05:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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^Richards, John F. (1995), The Mughal Empire, Cambridge University Press, p. 2, ISBN978-0-521-56603-2, archived from the original on 22 September 2023, retrieved 9 August 2017 Quote: "Although the first two Timurid emperors and many of their noblemen were recent migrants to the subcontinent, the dynasty and the empire itself became indisputably Indian. The interests and futures of all concerned were in India, not in ancestral homelands in the Middle East or Central Asia. Furthermore, the Mughal Empire emerged from the Indian historical experience. It was the end product of a millennium of Muslim conquest, colonization, and state-building in the Indian subcontinent."
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