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Definitive Jazz Standard

Can anyone cast light on the use of all the "Definitive Jazz Standard" designations all over the page? Is there a group making these designations? Yes, many of Cole's recordings are jazz standards. Do we need to identify each one? --SeanO 14:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Racism and attacks

Cole was attacked on stage in Alabama and it made headlines around the country, plus filmed news interviews. In a filmed interview Sinatra attributed the attack to racist hate groups... what references are there for this, and should it be mentioned here?

I think it should be mentionned here. I came to this page to learn about the Nat King Cole beating, after reading this article (photo #1). Suprised to not find anything about it. How come ? Xibe 16:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-smoking ad

Was it true that at the time of his death, public service announcements were playing in the US with Cole telling people not to smoke? Mike H. That's hot 05:23, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Quotation marks considered wrong

I personally have no idea, but I read the following on another website:

The correct spelling is Nat King Cole without the quotation marks. King was not a nick-name but his actual name. Mr. Cole never used quotations on his name during his life, unfortunately after his death a few record releases used quotation marks and for some reason that has overtaken the overwhelming vast number of correct uses of his name. [1]

And this seems very reasonable, so I'm removing the quotation marks from "King" now. --LA2 03:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"King was not a nickname but his actual name." Well, yes and no. It was his actual professional name. Not his actual legal name. Tom129.93.17.229 01:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Songs

What order are these songs listed? Chronological perhaps, but no years are listed. Either the years need to be added, so we see that it is chronological, or perhaps alphbetizing the list (and adding years) would make it a more useful list all around. **Someone else wrote this up until here**

I was going to make the very same suggestion.

Maybe having the songs based on decades? There's a wealth of songnames in there, but I certainly can't find details on a majority of the songs on the list.

Or even putting all of the songs into a table. Even with a miuch smaller list than this, I'd do that.

Another thing I should say is that quoting "songs of note" suggests a certain degree of bias.

Why are these and only these songs included in the list? Some of these songs are not especially well performing songs in the charts, yet songs that did perform more effectively are omitted. I think to avoid that, we should remove any songs that maybe didn't go any higher than about 50 on the billboards, or have had timely resurgences. There of course is a large number of songs that fit this bill, but each should be added appropriately and with a justification, e.g.:

Song Name Album Year Song's Importance
Some song Some Album 2005 Billboard #2
Some other song Some other Album 2006 Billboard #7
Yet another song Yet another Album 2007 Grammy award winning song "Best Vocal Performance"

(I've put this here to be quite simple and easily adaptable) Lincalinca 05:13, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Definitive Jazz Standard

Quotation of Jazz Standard

A jazz standard is a tune that is widely known, performed, and recorded among jazz musicians. Stricter definitions of the term may be used; therefore no 'definitive' list of standards exists.

Why are then some songs listed as "Definitive Jazz Standard"? 213.47.179.24 17:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A "Definitive" (usually the first, best, most influential or most well known) version of a song is that which is most accessible to the public, musicians, broadcast and entertainment professionals. Accessibility is determined by the availability and clarity of the performance. IADAMSDAY 3:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Minor change to list of songs

I went ahead and deleted all of the red-linked songs (i.e. songs that aren't specifically referenced in an article). It makes the list look much cleaner and also makes it a little easier for a new Wikipedia user to navigate the song list. There was a also a problem with the song "I Remember You" in that the hotlink led to an article of a song by the same name by the band Skid Row. I went ahead and removed that link as well.

The list might benefit from some organization of the description of the songs (composer and the like that succeeds every listing). --DanMuSciRel 06:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lists are too long

I find the lists of notable songs, performances and albums far too long, it is trivial information, and too much of it. I suggest someone who can tell the difference between regular songs and significant songs of Nat King Cole should edit it.--Soetermans 18:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

With you suggestion, I'll take a stab at his songs. --SeanO 23:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I did a first pass, removing songs which didn't say Nat King Cole to me. I've been a NKC fan for nearly 20 years, so I didn't do much damage. I'll take a more critical eye on the list later. --SeanO 00:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think re-releases or complitation albums are also not worthy to put in.--Soetermans 12:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the term "Notable Songs" should be changed to "Selected Discography". I am opposed to limiting the list of songs since space is not an issue. If necessary they can be hidden as they are in the Wikipedia article about Frank Sinatra. Nat King Cole's recording career began in 1936 and ended in 1964. Some of his most significant and influential recordings have never been heard by the current public. A few months ago I overheard a younger "fortysomething" talking about the great new song called "These Foolish Things (Remind Me of You)" that Rod Stewart wrote and recorded on one of his new Great American Songbook CD's. There was no acknowlegment of "Rod Stewart's" debt to the Nat King Cole recording. "These Foolish Things" along with "Stardust" are among the many songs that Nat recorded that were never issued as singles and therefore never charted on Billboard or anywhere else. IADAMSDAY 3:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
That song list is crazy, I've moved it here. The articles should be contained within Nat's albums. What on earth does (George and Ira Gershwin Smithsonian Museum Definitive American Standard 1943 Nat King Cole Trio Version) actually mean?? All that could be within a song article, along with a mention of Nat's notable contribution. PLEASE LET'S CREATE SONG ARTICLES!!

Discography (songs)

Let's get to work. Gareth E Kegg 20:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Title of the song in Japanese

Do someone know the title of that song he sings in Japanese (according to the article)? I can't find that album! "In 1983, an archivist for Electrola Records, Capitol Records' subsidiary in Holland, discovered some songs Cole had recorded but that had never been released, including one in Japanese and another in Spanish (Tu Eres Tan Amable). Capitol released them later that year as the LP Unreleased." Might be very interesting to include, I think. Necrotranson 23:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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