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Frequently asked questions

These following questions have been addressed repeatedly (as documented here):

"Wii" vs. "Nintendo Wii"?

The first and most frequently asked question -- and the official trademark is just "Wii". See the Talk archives (pages 6 through 10) and the separately archived survey if you need the details.

"Wii" vs. "The Wii"?

Obviously, the official trademark is not The Wii™ but Wii™. People generally call the console "the Wii" (like a common noun), while Nintendo prefers to phrase it as just "Wii" (like a name) to utilize its similarity to we (e.g. "Wii will change gaming forever"). A discussion on the subject can be found in Archive 18.

"Wee" (as in urine)?

Multiple discussions on the subject have failed to achieve a consensus for or against including a reference to urine. However, please refrain from adding any such reference to the article. If you wish to bring this topic up on the talk page, please first read past discussions on the subject found in Archive 22 and Archive 23.

Wii Remote strap problems?

Information on Wii Remote strap failures and Nintendo's replacement offer are summarized in the article. Further details are documented in the Wii Remote article. Discussion on the subject can be found in Archive 21.


Wii's hardware WiiConnect 24 issue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Original_Research http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources

Either source it with GameSpot or IGN or it's staying out.

The Nintendo WiFi comment about 32 players is not needed at all. This is boasting about it's online capabilities and this is not the section for that. Do we have editors going back gloating about the amount of players online on the Ps2, Xbox, and GC? Of course not. This is not going to be the case here as there is no incentive for having it. Lastly, router hardware problems are the least of all things to put under a technical problem about the Wii. --ChibiMrBubbles 11:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(I've copied the above comment from my talk page, and copied my reply from his.)
I find it an odd assertion that GameSpot and IGN are the only reliable sources for information, and I'm not sure how you conclude from information being in the article that any editors are "gloating". I find the information relevant, and IGN seemed to think it important as well; I'm actually a bit disappointed the other articles you mentioned don't contain similar information. I'm still unclear as to your concerns about the router information, especially since Nintendo thinks it relevant enough to address at their own site. --Maxamegalon2000 13:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, talk about anal. Gamespot or Ign were examples. Ill be more vague in the future thanks to you. Routers would fall into flaw desing or outdated routers. WiFi up to 32 is flat out unneeded. So I implore you to find a good editorial for Wiiconnect24. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChibiMrBubbles (talk • contribs) 14:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious how you can be so certain that the reason the Wii is incompatible with some routers is that the routers don't follow the spec. It could just as easily be the Wii's fault. For the other two issues, I agree with you for the most part, but you really need to change your arrogant and condescending attitude. Tmdean 14:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong in summary:

The WiiGraphical glitch by WiiConnect24 is not sourced by a reliable source, in this case it is a Wii fansite. It is original research, and does not belong on Wikipedia.

The routers (all 3 of them that don't work) have had past history of not working with other consoles, such as the Xbox, and should not be brought up here. That's right, look up their history. This isn't a hardware problem with the Wii. Nintendo was bold to come out and say which lousy designed routers don't work with the Wii, Microsoft nor Sony aren't even going to bother.

The Nintendo WiFi statement about up to 32 players is flagrant fanboysim that implies this is a major contribution to the Wii. It is not, for no one knows what the players level cap is on multiplayer Wii games. The statement would make more sense on the DS's wiki article due to the built in pictochat having up to 16 players. This statement does not need to stay here, at all. There is no coherent reasoning since this is not part of the Wii's internal hardware. If you must mention something, do the Wii message board or Wii Friend codes cap.

And stay on topic, my attitude is not relevant to this (which is a slander giving the circumstances of the edits).--ChibiMrBubbles 14:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The section about the supposed WiiConnect24 problem should not be in the article. For one, there is no source with proof about WC24 causing any problems, just speculation. It is equally likely that it is due to a bad shipment of graphics chips. The chips get much hotter when actually used, than if the little heat produced by having your console on (even if the fan is on). If hotter temperatures aren't damaging the GPU, then why would the cooler temps? Second, many sites say that it is because the Wi-Fi chip and GPU are right next to each other. Well if you simply look at a pictures of the inside you will see that they are not. Zomic_13 17:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Firmware versions

I was wondering if we can include a section about firmware versions. I'm not going to push the matter but I wanna hear others opinions.--ChibiMrBubbles 20:15, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Wii Menu article already has one. The main Wii article is a bit long as it is. PS: the most relevant parts of the firmware information are already contained in the Wii article, in its related sections. Just64helpin 21:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Already done. It was originally on the Wii Menu page, but there was discussion on that page about moving it. I just moved it. Zomic_13 21:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't recall any discussion on whether the section should be moved to the Wii article. Doing so pushes "Wii" past 60k in size. Just64helpin 21:15, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There was discussion and agreement on the Wii Menu talk page. It really should've happened a while ago, but this is just more reason to move it. Zomic_13 21:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A discussion and agreement has to happen on this page as well. Please don't revert until others can join the new discussion. Just64helpin 21:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well since we are having a new consensus, I'm going to put my two cents and say it belongs here on the Wii's systems page because some of the firmware functionality affects other things aside from the Wii's OS, such as adding AOSS on the internal WiFi menu settings. I also want to add that the Playstation 3 has it's own separate article for it's own firmware updates, not implying anything but giving suggestions for alternative resolutions.--ChibiMrBubbles 21:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is an interesting idea (about having a separate page). I would support that (and would be willing to put the page together and format it). Right now the info is pretty hard to read. I think there is justification for its own page. Zomic_13 21:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussions of moving the firmware to its own separate page should take place on the Wii Menu talk page.

Cost to build the Wii?

Any references that we can add which estimate how much the Nintendo Wii costs to build? I'm curious to know if they are selling it at a loss (as was done with the Cube). - Theaveng 14:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wii is not sold at a loss. I don't believe GameCube (or any other Nintendo system) has sold at a loss. The reason Nintendo does not do this is because they are just a gaming company, and do not have other sectors to fall back on (like Sony and Microsoft do). It will be hard to find a reliable source that states exactly how much it costs to build a Wii, but there are plenty of sources out there if we want to add that it is not sold at a loss. Zomic_13 05:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC
Nintendo's profit-making is already in the Wii article. Just64helpin 11:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Video

I've recorded a video of two kids playing the Wii at the Wii Experience in Six Flags - Image:Wii_play.ogg. If the editors of this article want to add it, please do. ALTON .ıl 06:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sales numbers

4.23 million + 3.47 million + 2+ million + 138,192 + 6 thousand ~= 10.7+ million. It should be 9.8+ million if you approximate the Aussie numbers to 100,000 and disregard New Zealand. So the question is how do we provide a source for this updated figure? Because clearly just by looking at the numbers and quickly adding them can lead to errors as happened here (whoever did this added the 100,000 as 1 million). And we can't just use "punch these #s into a calculator" as the source. But I don't think there is an actual source for this... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.125.60 (talk) 18:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This can be used to indicate 9.27 million units sold worldwide as of June 2007. --Silver Edge 23:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think that this number would be better as it comes directly from nintendo? Also, if we leave it as is displaying the summed figure, how do we indicate that it is the sum of the previous numbers? -Mariokarter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.98.102.88 (talk) 03:34, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Europe numbers are far behind, AUS/NZ sales are too small to even count in the total. The Americas/Japan/Other configuration makes use of the official Q2/2007 Nintendo report (3.81 Americas/2.95 Japan/2.51 Other) updated with the lastest Media Create/NPD info, thus is the most reliable source we have. So please don't temper with it.--Exukvera 08:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No region's sales numbers are too small to include (assuming a reliable source is available). They should not be excluded for that reason, nor should a region's numbers be excluded if they are slightly out of date. A newer figure should be searched for, but the older figure should not be excluded. Zomic_13 18:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the article where it claims the wii is ahead of 360 shows strange numbers, that seem to be lower than either console should have sold, and seems to be innaccurate, i am not sure what it is based on. it calls the xbox 360 an xbox unit, and even if it were correct, shouldn't the page say "as of july" i really think the sold should say shipped for the 13 whatever million. these two numbers cant coexist... the wii sold 500k in sept, so does that mean it sold 3.5 mill in august? obviously there is a mistake here... somewhere. it isn't clear which of the two consoles is ahead, so neither should say the place, and the sold should be changed to shipped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.59.39 (talk) 11:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

upon actually reading the article i realize that the statement about the wii being in the lead definately needs a new source or to be removed. logically, it makes no sense. they use numbers from the end of july for the world (minus japan) and numbers from the end of august for japan. so the wii could have never been ahead at any point in time! example: pretend neither console had any sales. then in july the wii sells 500k worldwide. the xbox 360 sells 600k worldwide. in august the wii sells 500k worldwide (400k of which are in japan) xbox 360 sells 600k worldwide (12k in japan). If you add up the numbers the way they did, you get more wii sales than xbox 360 sales, but the xbox 360 outsold the wii EVERY MONTH! you would need to drop japan's august sales from each console for it to make sense. I could show that anything outsold anything if i only include certain regions. the article might as well only show japan's sales for every month. am i the only one that realizes that this article does not prove that the wii was ahead of the xbox 360 at any point in time? please make the appropriate corrections, or find the wii's japan numbers and subtract them from the 9 mill and see if it is still ahead on 8.9 mill, but even this is not very good, as the 9 mill and 8.9 mill are rounded. it may be 8.94 mill and 8.96 mill, and japan's august sales would only need to be 20k for the statement to be untrue (well 20K plus xbox 360's japan sales). then again it could be 8.95 mill minus 1 and 8.95 mill, and japan's auguest wii sales would only need to be one more than xbox 360 sales for it to be untrue. we might as well count only japan for 20 months and say the ps3 is ahead of the xbox 360... come on people, common sense shows that you cant only count japan for any period of time, especially considering the wii sells better there than anywhere, and the xbox 360 sells worse there than anywhere. end rant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.59.39 (talk) 12:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Xbox 360 outselling Wii every month, what are you smoking? The Wii sold 404K systems just in the UNITED STATES in August (whereas Xbox 360 sold 277K in the US that month) and about 286K in Japan for 690K just for Japan/US. In July, the Wii sold 425K systems just in the United States (compared to 170K for the Xbox 360), and sold about 349K in Japan for a total of 776K just in the US/Japan for July. The Wii has been outselling the Xbox 360 in the US/Canada every month this year except for September (where the Xbox 360 only outsold Wii by about 26K in the US), has outsold Xbox 360 every week since launch in Japan (in fact, the Wii sold more in its first week than Xbox 360 had in 1 year) and we don't know the numbers but we do know that Wii has oustold Xbox 360 in Europe since launch. It's safe to say that the Wii has outsold in worldwide (as of early 2007 it had in fact overtaken Xbox 360 worldwide officially according to Nikkei, a Japanese firm that used official sales numbers from NPD/Media Create/GfK). TJ Spyke 18:48, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I said that as an example, not fact. I am saying that you need proof and not just "it's safe to say" it is also safe to say that halo 3 has outsold gears of war, but there is no real proof. sure 14.8 million halo: ce + halo 2 units had been sold earlier this year, and now the total of the three is 20 million, but that doesn't mean that more than 4 million copies of halo 3 have been sold. If Nikkei says this than post the link. The link currently there has no proof that wii outsold 360. the math done to get 5.2 million halo 3's sold is MUCH more accurate than the math done to get more wii's than 360's have been sold. so why was the halo math dismissed but the wii math accepted? again, the example wasn't based on actual numbers, it was just showing how it is POSSIBLE (and very much so) that the wii never passed xbox 360 sales. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.59.39 (talk) 19:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please sign your posts with ~~~~. Just64helpin 19:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, we do have September NPD numbers. You are right in that Halo 3 has likely outsold Gears of War by now (considering that it took only a week or so for Halo 3 to sell 75% of what GOW has). Source for Nikkei: [1]. I never said anything about Halo 3's numbers, and we have known for almost 2 months that Wii has been ahead using confirmed numbers. TJ Spyke 19:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

fine, if you remove that statement about the wii being in the lead, the link makes no sense. you cannot for any period of time only count one region. since i am signing this you have agreed to remove that statement. 142.165.59.39 19:12, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lawsuits

Does anyone know whatever became of those crazy lawsuits against the Wii? Have they been dropped, or are they still ongoing? Seems odd because the article mentions them like they're all still current events. Nintenboy01 19:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lawsuits can sometime last for years. They might still be ongoing. TJ Spyke 00:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Green Wellings lawsuit. Was claimed to be filed in 2006, but since then Green Welling have removed all reference to Nintendo and Wii from their web site and the only thing they left was a page where you can request a wrist strap replacement through Nintendo. Any reference to Nintendo or Wii has also been removed from their "Résumé of Cases" which details cases they have won and cases they are fighting for. If Nintendo did settle or even acknowledge Green Wellings in any way, you can bet that it would have been on their site and Green Wellings would have publicized it to the general media. That conclusion may be original research, but what isn't OR is the fact that Green Wellings have removed all traces of Nintendo and only left an application form for Wii wrist strap replacements, which goes straight through to Nintendo JayKeaton 11:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Again, more OR, but it looks like the Big N may have reached some confidential settlement or something with Green Wellings. Why I bet they even prompted the development of Wii Strap 4.0, hehe. I do wonder though whatever happened to the other cases... 216.166.78.9 22:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Should this be mentioned in the reception

Satoru Iwata mentions that the Wii is not a yet a success. Should this be mentioned at the reception, or in another article like his article page? Link for proof: [2] Magiciandude 18:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Around the launch of Wii, Iwata/Nintendo stated that Wii would not be considered a success unless it sold more than GameCube. That is going to happen very soon (in 10 months Wii has sold over half the amount GameCube sold in 71 months). It just sounds like a reiteration of what has already been said, however it is not in the article. It should be mentioned as it is a notable statement. 20:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zomic13 (talk • contribs)
It's set to overtake GameCube's sales in Japan and the UK by the end of the year. The region where it may take the longest is the United States since it's where the GameCube did the best (same thing with the N64, I think the US alone accounted for half of the N64's lifetime sales). Worldwide, it looks like the Wii will overtake the GameCube in early 2008 (which is just crazy when you think about it). TJ Spyke 02:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wii is best seller

Financial Times states Wii is this generations best selling console in the known universe, despite coming a year after the 360 [[3]] JayKeaton 21:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The NPD and Enterbrain Also report this. Its an extremely large feat, considering how all nintendo's best franchises hasn't even come out yet. (mario galaxy, brawl, etc) Should we change it? Blackbird3216 22:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Change what? PS: the WP:LEAD should never contain information exclusive to itself. Just64helpin 23:47, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't exclusive to itself. It's also in the sales section. And why does Dawillsta keep editing it? Blackbird3216 23:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The wording is highly informal and tonally disconnected from the rest of the lead. It also contains an WP:OVERLINK. Just64helpin 23:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it should be included in the lead. — Malcolm (talk) 23:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It certainly needs to be rewritten before it can even be considered for the lead. Just64helpin 00:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the warning, but my 3rd "revision" was actually a new edit, so i won't get banned. If you want it rewritten, then you do it. Im used to writing stuff with alot of info —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackbird3216 (talk • contribs) 00:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That burden lies on the supplier, not the remover. Just64helpin 00:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So your saying i have to rewrite it. But if i re submit it, then people will say it doesn't belong, even though it's true, and should belong.Blackbird3216 00:49, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The inclusion is still open to arguments, so I'd suggest adding a proposed version of the material in this topic. Just64helpin 00:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
what do you mean proposed?Blackbird3216 00:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Er, your proposal on how the rewritten information could be added to the lead. How would it look like? Just64helpin 01:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fine how about something like this?:
Although the console was launched last, it is currently the best seller in the generation(quote here). On Sept.12,2007 , Financial Times reports data from the NPD and (the other one) that proves the wii has outsold the 360, which was released a year earlier...

The iPod article mentions it is a best seller as of a certain date. Wii being a best seller as of a certain date, which doesn't seem debatable, then I don't see a big problem with mentioning it in the lead. In fact, it seems like something that is perfectly suited for the lead JayKeaton 17:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The iPod article is also somewhat unstable due to the constant influx of information relating to models and sales, so I wouldn't use that in an argument. Just64helpin 17:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Its not really an argument, as sales and popularity relate directly to the information demanded of a lead section. JayKeaton 17:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't recall the lead section "demanding" sales information, unless the sales are what make the subject notable. My argument is that placing a specific number will cause the lead to be endlessly edited, making it unstable. If the Wii sales are strong enough, it may warrant a general statement, but I don't think that's the case here. Just64helpin 17:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Numbers aren't specifically needed, at least for the lead. It looks like the other two console manufacturers muddy the waters by stating number of units shipped, not number of units sold, but independent sources seem to be wise to that and [many many sources] are saying that Wii is this generations best seller and for 2007 (the year we are currently in) it has consistently been the best seller by far also. JayKeaton 20:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, which is all that is needed for the WP:LEAD to keep it in proportion with the rest of the article. 14:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Citation needed for "bold" statement - I am thinking about citing it with info from wikipedia. How do I do that? Is it even possible to cite a wiki article with another wiki article?Blackbird3216 02:06, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:CITE. And, no, you can't use a Wikipedia article to cite another one (if the source exists on another Wikipedia article, use the source that that article uses). TJ Spyke 02:09, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just64helping, it was better before. You trimmed down too many details. BTW, what happened to the wii picture?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackbird3216 (talk • contribs)
A general statement on the Wii sales lead is all that is needed. Any more detail would cause the lead to be a disproportionate summarization of the article. Further details should be added to the "System sales" section instead. Please read WP:LEAD for more information. Just64helpin 21:06, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify: the segment I edited contained wiilinks to History of video game consoles (seventh generation) and Wii launch, both of which are already linked in the lead section (see WP:OVERLINK). The information cited from nintendowiifanboy.com was already mentioned in the Financial Times article. The Financial Times segment also had a <ref> footnote that was already used later in the article, and did not need to be re-written (see WP:FOOTNOTE). Just64helpin 21:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nintendo and the Wii have been the top seller in NA for the entirety of 2007, since November 2006 in fact. I don't think the fact that the Wii has been outselling the competition is really debatable, and the fact that Wii is the best seller overall is more debatable, but not by much. There are no counterclaims to the Wii being the best selling console, other than "it is a controversial claim", which is not really good enough without something to back it up JayKeaton 13:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The FT article is full of wholes, as is stated above in Sales Numbers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.59.39 (talk) 12:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IGN.com just posted new NPD sales data

Someone should update the sales totals. Here is the link: http://wii.ign.com/articles/820/820098p1.html 72.43.140.148 14:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

103 year old person playing the Wii

I thought you would like to see this: [4]. Report from The Sun newspaper of the UK has stated that pensioners up to 103 years of age have been playing the Wii! Of course, I've added that in the demographics section.--Alasdair 06:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's interesting. You would not see a 103 year old person playing PS3 or X360. Zomic_13 06:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
True, but I don't see why it belongs in the article... So what? LN3000 06:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's worth mentioning. We talk about Nintendo's goal to expand its appeal, and The Sun thought the company's success in this situation to be worth discussing. --Maxamegalon2000 07:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, Nintendo has maintained that they want to widen their demographics, and this is certainly one extreme example of the adoption.--Alasdair 07:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is definitely worth mentioning. Just this morning Engadget posted an article about the success Wii has had with senior citizens. Read Here Zomic_13 13:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't just create a Wii cultural impact with all the information that is not really needed in the article (like using Wii for fitness, ancient people playing games, etc, etc, etc)? -- ReyBrujo 18:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The section on demographics was specifcally created to satisfy WP:LEAD, since editors previously warred in the lead section over whether or not the Wii "competes" with other seventh generation consoles. Just64helpin 18:14, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also, a demographics section is well, a section on the type of market it targets, the customer base etc. Since it's here, let's make the best of it.--Alasdair 04:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wii Commercials

Hey, i wanted to add this to the external links section. You can watch all Wii Commercials here. I was about to add it and then I saw the message saying I should bring it up on the talk page first, so i am :) Anyway, it's a good resource bc it's hard to find them on youtube or anywhere else. Anyway im adding it, but feel free to take it off if you dont think its a good resource --JasonHanson 16:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps they're hard to find because hosting them is a copyright violation. We don't link to copyright violations. --Maxamegalon2000 17:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

--Oh, sorry! --JasonHanson 17:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Which means that they can't be listed here either. TJ Spyke 02:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Advertisements most certainly CAN be listed on the talk page JH JayKeaton 07:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I meant here as in Wikipedia. Also, I don't think advertising sites that are committing copyright violations (by hosting copyrighted content without permission) is a good idea on talk pages either. TJ Spyke 03:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name

That is absurd. The official trademark for Microsoft windows is just "Windows"... perhaps we should also name that article to just "Windows" rather than the already named "Microsoft Windows"? There is no double standards, if Ms windows article is named "Microsoft Windows" although the trademark is only "Windows", then so should this article be named "Nintendo Wii". Im seriously starting to think that some Nintendo representatives are lurring around Wikipedia.--78.86.117.164 01:12, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I move this here since the IP didn't bother to read the note about not replying in the FAQ section. To answer, the reason the article on the Microsoft software isn't at Windows is because its not the primary subject of the name Windows (the only other possible name would be "Windows (software)", which is not a good article name). This is not the case here. The trademark is Wii, that is the common name, and there is nothing else that would use the name. So the article will not be moved. TJ Spyke 01:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Infact, let it be called just "wii", people will have harder time finding it. Specially people who still spell it as "we" or "wee".--78.86.117.164 01:24, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That...that made no sense.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:31, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously a minority of people. On the Windows argument, the operating system isn't the only thing in existance that uses that name. Wii, on the other hand, is the only thing that has that name. On top of that, the articles for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 currently do not include the name of the company that makes those consoles, because the name of the company is not a part of each specific console's official title, just as Nintendo is not an official part of the Wii's name. Disaster KirbyTalk 01:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, shouldn't this page be Nintendo Wii? Mick 96 08:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please click here. Just64helpin 10:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Which version?

There's currently appears to be a reversion conflict [5]. Which version is the correct one? --Russoc4 17:59, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, the revert was just an error by the user. Just64helpin 18:11, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that. That's what I get when I think I'm only making a small edit (I guess it was an older revision). Sometimes the extra features you think are helping you will get you into trouble. I figured out what I was doing wrong (Twice!). Sorry for the confusion. LN3000 18:12, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unprotection

Does anyone else want to experiment with unprotecting this article? The Placebo Effect 16:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Every time the page gets unprotected, it gets vandalized pretty quickly (IIRC, it got vandalized less than 10 minutes after being unprotected the last time). The article pretty much has unofficially permanent semi-protection because of that. It's up to an admin, but I would suggest keeping it the way it is. The only people who can't edit are IP's and accounts less than 4 days old. TJ Spyke 23:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I guess you're right. Lets try sometime after Christmas, when both Galaxy and Brawl have come out. The Placebo Effect 23:58, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wii Pricing

What is the current price on a Wii? I didn't see it in the article, and I thought it might be a good thing to add. BaldurtheGreat 18:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

MSRP =$250 The Placebo Effect 19:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Technically it's $249.99 (in the US). I don't think it had dropped in price anywhere yet, so the launch prices (see Wii launch) should still be the current prices. TJ Spyke 05:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I believe we are meant to avoid listing the price unless the price itself is notable. Otherwise it brings up the issue of trying to update the price everytime it drops aswell as becomes an issue of which countries prices to list. You wouldn't really expect to see the price of something in an encyclopedia. Rekija 03:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think the pricing's been mentioned in the Wii launch.--Alasdair 11:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pricing is a useful tool for comparing worldwide costs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.74.15 (talk) 13:08, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wii Optical Disc

Not alot of info is posted about this in the article. For example, it's storage capacity is not mentioned. Is it known? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.110.193.166 (talk) 11:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That should be covered at the Nintendo optical discs article. Just64helpin 11:19, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New system sales figures soon

A semi-annual Earnings release is scheduled to be released by Nintendo in two weeks (October 25), according to http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/schedule/index.html. Socby19 02:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

European sales numbers are so rare (we get monthly US and Canada sales from NPD, and Japanese sales numbers from Media Create), so this is good. Nintendo usually reports sales numbers too (whereas Sony and Microsoft report shipped numbers, claiming them as sales numbers by saying they are sold to retailers). TJ Spyke 02:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Units Shipped

It should also be said that the system has sold 12 million copies. 10.7 copies bought and 12 million shipped, so altogether the system has sold 22.7 units so far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.237.50.62 (talk) 21:28, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm reasonably certain the 10.7 million systems bought is included in the 12 million shipped. --Maxamegalon2000 21:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
yes, sold is part of shipped. You don't add the two numbers together...I wish... LN3000 22:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Even if they were combined, it would still be 10.7 million sold. Sony likes to inflate their sold numbers by counting systems sold to retailers (i.e. shipped and just sitting in stores), Sony used to also include systems sitting in warehouses and factories in their "sold" number. TJ Spyke 23:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So they sold only 12 units so far? Including the untis that were shipped? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.237.50.62 (talk) 02:29, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What? They've sold ~10.7 million (and that is sold, not shipped). TJ Spyke 02:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Why are all the images on the right hand side? It sort of looks silly having every single image to the extreme right, makes it seem less like an article. JayKeaton 13:35, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Having them on the left causes formatting problems with the section titles. Just64helpin 16:04, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wii remote/user problems

The first generation of Nintendo Wii controllers are not safe, and have been responsible for broken TVs. Users are playing their favorite game and suddenly the remote strap breaks and flies into the TV, breaking the screen. The Wii wrist strap is too flimsy to handle all the intense motion of the hand. http://www.wiichat.com/nintendo-wii-articles/6700-nintendo-wii-launch.html

Another common problem that people have is getting carried away. It is posted all over the internet about people hitting things while playing Wii. Users need to remember to keep distance between them and their surroundings. http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.8.239.59 (talk) 20:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I also don't think we need to include this. To the best of my knoweldge there have not been any recent reports of this problem (that article was from last November) Also even if it we were to add it the information should go on the Wii Remote page not here. --70.48.174.138 21:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The controllers are perfectly safe. The "first generation" of Wii controllers are no different than current ones. Just because some people were stupid or irresponsible with the controllers does not mean it is in anyway Nintendo's fault. Nor does it warrant being mentioned int he article. -Zomic13 22:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. It's the idiots who are throwing their controllers that are at fault, not the controller. The Wii wasn't the first system to have people break stuff because they threw their controllers. Do not blame the Wii Remote because some people are stupid enough to throw their controller as fast as they can and let go of it. TJ Spyke 22:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And those idiots are the reason for nintendo to spend big on thicker straps & jackets just to procted themselves Richardson j 02:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wii --> 13.17 million sold

Nintendo releasesed its latest financial report today. It has revealed that 13.17 million units have been sold as of September 30. I would have updated this myself, except that the sales are currently divided by specific regions, whereas the report only lists sales as Japan, The Americas, and Other. [6] -Zomic13 06:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't too comfortable with the consolewars figures, so I simply removed them for now. Although it mentions that the figures are based on data trusted sources such as NPD and official quarterly reports, it wasn't clear to me how the data was being used to arrive at the totals. Dancter 16:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
13.17 million shipped (or sold to retailers). But seeing as how Wii sells out almost immediately, I'd say the two figures are about the same. 129.120.205.24 21:36, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Nintendo doesn't report units shipped - only sold. -Zomic13 21:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... is this wrong then? [7] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.120.205.24 (talk) 23:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They do report shipped numbers, which is what that 13 million number is. I think it's more accurate to say that Nintendo doesn't report shipped numbers as sold (Sony will take the number of systems they have shipped, and report that as sold. Nintendo will cleary say "we have shipped this many systems"). TJ Spyke 23:09, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sony doesn't do that anymore. Dancter 00:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes they do, it's just not as bad as before. Sony used to count system siiting in factories in their sold numbers. They don't do that anymore, but they do count systems shipped to retailers as "sold". When Nintendo reports sales numbers, they mean systems that have actually been purchased by consumers. TJ Spyke 00:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You are right. I stand corrected about Sony. Dancter 01:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The figure of 13.17 million is for units sold. The source clearly states "sales units". Nowhere does it say shipped. -Zomic13 02:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find it yet, but Nintendo's financial reports are sold to retailers and not sold to consumers. TJ Spyke 23:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was starting to suspect as much. Which begs the question: how is Nintendo different from Microsoft and Sony, as has been frequently claimed? Sony reports sell-in now, and I believe Microsoft does this, as well. Dancter 23:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
IGN says 13 million shipped. MahangaTalk 01:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
IGN is getting their information from the same document we are. Just because they used the word shipped, it doesn't make it so. We have to go by the original source which does not mention the world shipped anyway - only "sales". Interpreting beyond what is stated is original research. -Zomic13 02:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is not original research if you are adhering closely to what is stated in a cited source, which in this case would be IGN. It's important to note that earnings reports are not written for the general reader, but for investors, who may understand things that aren't made explicit. While the original source does not mention the word (I'm assuming "world" is a typo) "shipped", it also does not specify what is meant by "sales". As explained in more detail at WP:PSTS, original sources can be very easily misused. It is actually preferable to cite a secondary source that can be trusted to interpret the original source correctly. The sticking point in most of these disputes is in deciding which sources are reliable. Dancter 05:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
IGN can't necessarily be trusted to interpret a primary source correctly. In another article they cited the sales of a game incorrectly while directly referencing the source from which they were taking the sales numbers.-Zomic13 19:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My point is that it's not original research. Dancter 20:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That IGN article says quote:
"Wii Sports, its best performer, has sold upward of 11.1 million copies globally. Of course, that figure is unfair since the game shipped with the console in America and Europe. (The Japanese, however, bought it seperately.)"
The article doesn't say 13 million Wii consoles "shipped", it just says that Wii Sports, which is bundled with the Wii, sold 11.1 million copies. --Silver Edge 02:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure Mahanga probably meant to link to this article. Dancter 05:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, fixed the link. MahangaTalk 17:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge discussion

I am proposing a merge discussion on several Wii articles - the discussion to be, however, what to merge and where.

So, here's what I propose...

I just don't know where to. WiiConnect24 would probably be best here, while the second and third would obviously go to Wii Channel, but Wii Points would only fit in a Wii Shop Channel article, which became a redirect, and Wii Balance Board would go to Wii Fit, but not everyone agrees. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:47, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think a merge is necessary, nor would it be wise. LN3000 19:45, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, let's see - WiiConnect24 could easily be summed up in this article. Wii Points could make the Wii Shop Channel worthy of being an article. And Wii Balance Board is literally irrelevant outside of Wii Fit, with the exception of its potential implementation outside of Wii Fit. I see little reason why these merges couldn't take place. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The main problem would be with current size of the Wii article, which is nearing 60k. Just64helpin 20:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that most of those articles need to be merged. I'm indifferent about merging WiiConnect24 with Wii. I'd strongly oppose Everybody Votes and the Internet Channel being merged into something else as they're pretty much discrete pieces of software, albeit downloadable and labelled as 'channels'. As for Wii Points, Microsoft and Sony's alternatives also have their own articles. There's already been a discussion about whether Wii Balance Board and Wii Fit should be merged. To be honest, I really don't see why these articles should be merged just because they 'could' be squished into something else. They're all reasonably lengthy and are really subjects in their own right. EvilRedEye 20:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at Everybody Votes Channel and Internet Channel, I see nothing that says these are very well-known. One is a revision of the Opera browser, the other is a free download software. Just being its own software doesn't mean it needs an article. Honestly, just because the Wii article is getting big doesn't mean that we should split all of the mechanics apart. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:27, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose x5 - The articles don't need to be merged. I think EvilRedEye explained it best. -Zomic13 22:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Article size should certainly be considered in these types of discussions. I sincerely hope that we veer away from "just because" arguments, as they tend to lead the discussion into an endless cycle. Just64helpin 22:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The only reason the Wii Balance Board isn't merged is just because. People don't talk about the Wii Balance Board without talking about WiiFit, so its notability is exclusive to WiiFit. If it actually becomes notable outside of this one game, then it can be standalone, but it's not. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
While I do understand the reasoning behind these merge proposals, given what I've witnessed from aggressive merges in the past, I would prefer to get a sense of what the intended merged articles are going to look like before I make a recommendation. Dancter 05:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'd recommend starting a merge discussion on Wii Balance Board since the case for merging it seems to have some merit and it's probably best to discuss a merge on the talk page of the actual article affected. As for the two channels, they're clearly independently notable, even if they aren't 'well known'. I honestly don't see what merging them would achieve, since a summary about them already exists on Wii Menu. You'd effectively end up just deleting the articles. EvilRedEye 11:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - per EvilRedEye's explanation. LN3000 01:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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