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Frequently asked questions

These following questions have been addressed repeatedly (as documented here):

"Wii" vs. "Nintendo Wii"?

The first and most frequently asked question -- and the official trademark is just "Wii". See the Talk archives (pages 6 through 10) and the separately archived survey if you need the details.

"Wii" vs. "The Wii"?

The official trademark is not The Wii™ but Wii™. People generally call the console "the Wii" (like a common noun), while Nintendo prefers to phrase it as just "Wii" (like a name) to utilize its similarity to we (e.g. "Wii will change gaming forever"). A discussion on the subject can be found in Archive 18.

"Wee" (as in urine)?

Multiple discussions on the subject have failed to achieve a consensus for or against including a reference to urine. However, please refrain from adding any such reference to the article. If you wish to bring this topic up on the talk page, please first read past discussions on the subject found in Archive 22 and Archive 23.

Wii Remote strap problems?

Information on Wii Remote strap failures and Nintendo's replacement offer are summarized in the article. Further details are documented in the Wii Remote article. Discussion on the subject can be found in Archive 21.


Archived

Please see Talk:Wii/Archive 27. Just64helpin (talk) 03:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Constant updating of sales figures

This practice puzzles me. Why are sales figures so important to some people? I don't even consider them encyclopedic. For just about any other product on the market that has a Wikipedia entry, you don't find overzealous fanboys constantly adjusting the sales figures. Can someone explain this to me?------Asher196 (talk) 12:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Video games, unlike most retail products, get regular sales updates. The only times you get update on iPod sales info, for example, is when Apple chooses to reveal them. The only problem I see is when people take shipped numbers and think they are the sames as sales numbers. TJ Spyke 01:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fanboys are everywhere ;-) If the figure can be referenced, then it can be added. And I don't like the quarter per quarter tables we used to have, too much unnecessary information. Besides, Nintendo fans waited 13 years for this moment, I guess they are justified ;-) -- ReyBrujo (talk) 01:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thats exactly what I thought it was. Competition with other consoles and ranking them by sales figures. I just don't see the encyclopedic value of the whole practice. It's a full time job just policing the changes to sales that are done on a daily basis. It makes Wikipedia less fun for me.----Asher196 (talk) 05:53, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody is asking you to do that ;-) And in any case, it is not harder than keeping the list of best-selling video games up to date and out of the influence of those fans ;-) -- ReyBrujo (talk) 17:08, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Asher196, video game sales figures are no different from album sales figures or movie box office figures. 69.203.64.174 (talk) 04:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wording error

"Using the Wii is often seen as more being more physically demanding than other game consoles, but a study published in the British Medical Journal found that while playing the Wii, players use significantly more energy than playing sedentary computer games."

the study published in the BMJ supports the point that the wii is physically demanding, so the word "but" doesn't belong there. (33LB (talk) 19:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC))[reply]

why not remove it then? *laughs*  Doktor  Wilhelm  22:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, I already adjusted the text. Just64helpin (talk) 22:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I need someone to update the Wii page and remove the phrase "Wii Sucks!!!!!!" It's a biased remark and completely ignorant. ZekeBirch (talk) 21:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This was already taken care of before the above post was made. Just64helpin (talk) 22:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Queen play Wii?

Now of course that title alone would be rather eye brow raising. Now if we can find a good refference then by all means post it but I have a slight issue with the current source. True The People is published by Trinity Mirror who are large BUT that doesn't make The People large themselves. The newspaper is very small in the UK, and only confined to sundays and apparenly recently underwent a cut and of course it seems to put emphasis on celebrity gossip. In the article thats says the Queen plays the Wii, its says a source gave it out, now let me ask you this. Would someone from the Royal House, say very obscure yet interesting news to a small Sunday celebrity gossip paper? The only other people to report it are game blogs reporting the news FROM the People. If it was true it would make sense for those like the BBC or The Guardian to report it since both of those are usually the first to get whatever happens in there to the public.

If we were to keep it we would have to change the statment to something along the lines of "and has even been reported to include" since without any secondly source, there is no way we can call a gossip paper fact, which the current statment heavily implies. I'll leave it there for now but I would like to hear some thoughts and I'm not a troll or up for edit wars so being rude or personal won't help. Stabby Joe (talk) 14:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

as far as I know The Guardian doesn't report much lighthearted thing and I don't know how to find anything on the BBC website, it just goes around in circles (plus if they have repoted it on TV, would it also apear on the site?)! "Would someone from the Royal House, say very obscure yet interesting news to a small Sunday celebrity gossip paper?" as far as I know, that's the way these things work, and then the bigger news papers copy the story but flesh it out so it looks like they are the first to report it. The argument that The People is a small newspaper and can't be used as a reference doesn't make sence, as I said, they are published by Trinnity Mirror, and as such will have codes and standards in place to stop fraudulent comments about the royal family, specially if it could easily viewed as slander (specially if the Queen only play Xbox), I think there may be laws about it (but concidering the terrible state of all UK news papers reports on the royal family, I'm sure there can't actually be any laws).
I think that the: "and has even been reported to include" makes sence though.  Doktor  Wilhelm  14:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, let me word it alittle better. I'm putting more emphasis on the fact its a sunday gossip paper. You're right, doesn't matter how big it is but because of the type of paper it is and the fact no one else has reported it seems pretty reasonable for one to question its nobility as a factual news story. But considering there is none so far we should however put out the news is not fact due to the questionable nature of the newspaper, so yes what I said before going in front of it.
Plus because of all those Diana conspirisies, like you said I doubt such laws are in force nowadays... And by the way what do you mean by that Xbox comment? Stabby Joe (talk) 17:51, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Grammatically speaking, I'm not sure how "and has even been reported to include" fits. If we're going to add that much emphasis to the questionable nature of the report, we might as well give it its own sentence. 19:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Just64helpin (talk • contribs)
I fixed that, so don't worry. BTW, it falls under "weasel words". Two One Six Five Five discuss my greatness 19:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough but what would we say then if we can't use those words? Stabby Joe (talk) 19:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"COUGH COUGH" Does anyone have any ideas? I'm not done yet. Stabby Joe (talk) 16:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Giving it its own sentence would still work, though I suppose the actual content of the sentence is up to discussion. Just64helpin (talk) 17:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Exaclly. I'm all for letting the original claim to be in the article, but currently it heavily implies it to be the whole truth and nothing but, yet its actually rather questionable. No way to prove its fact... or false. Stabby Joe (talk) 17:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you're trying to here but I'm not letting it go. So far I would suggest giving it it's own sentance but only a small one. Since the last term was considered somewhat "weasel", what exaclly is "on limits"? Stabby Joe (talk) 02:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ahem... Stabby Joe (talk) 22:55, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You can check out WP:WEASEL and WP:AVOID for the guidelines. Just64helpin (talk) 23:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I do intend to edit it. Stabby Joe (talk) 01:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've made a first attempt by giving the statment its own sentance which by itself still makes the claim but mentions that is was just the people who claimed so, thus not implied 100% truthfulness. Thoughts? Stabby Joe (talk) 14:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, then you could add that the Prime Minister also plays it. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 00:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of game disc

I recently uploaded a photograph I took of a Wii Optical Disc and, unlike the one currently displayed in the Wii article, this picture ACTUALLY SHOWS what a Wii disc typically looks like. (It is Image:Wiidisc001.JPG and can already be seen on the Nintendo optical discs article. I would like this picture to replace the one currently shown on the Wii page because, for all we know, that could just be any old CD-ROM turned upside-down. Benjamnjoel2 (talk) 01:47, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it was flipped upside down to avoid showing the game artwork, which is copyrighted (see Wikipedia:Copyrights). Just64helpin (talk) 10:44, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not only is Wiidisc001.jpg a terrible picture, it is also subject to speedy deletion because it contains copyrighted artwork.Asher196 (talk) 16:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1UP Editor Names the Wii as the #1 disappointment of 2007

This should be included in the reception section. http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8601568&publicUserId=5379721 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.79.183 (talk) 00:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why? TJ Spyke 00:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because the reception section does not adequately address the poor 3rd party support and sales for the Wii, and 1up is one of the biggest gaming sites on the web. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.79.183 (talk • contribs)

Poor third party sales? I can't believe there are still people that believe that BS. Of the top 100 games in December 2007, 20 of those were Wii games (Xbox 360 had 18), and only 5 of those were from Nintendo. That means 15 third party Wii games made the top 100. Developers that have actually put some effort into their games have been rewarded with good sales (except Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barboro's Treasure, which is a good game but has had poor sales). Hell, the Wii version of Guitar Hero III sold 519K copies in October. TJ Spyke 02:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
it's just one persons opinion, and not that of 1up.com, so it's hardly notable. "the poor 3rd party support and sales" is addressed by the name of Nintendo featuring prominatly on the article. But Joking aside, I really think that diffrent people like diffrent things, and it everyone that didn't like the wii was quoted, it's need it's own article.  Doktor  Wilhelm  00:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Can I see this "Top list" please TJ? Stabby Joe (talk) 02:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

memory

Can the memory card be used on a regular pc? RC-0722 communicator/kills 23:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Wii doesn't have a memory card. It does allow people to use standard SD cards and mini-SD cards to save info though, and those can of coarse be used on a regular PC (provided it has slots for accepting SD cards of coarse). TJ Spyke 09:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Price

put retail prices in--Roughrider13 (talk) 10:29, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Wii launch#Release dates and pricing. Just64helpin (talk) 10:36, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wii Sports pack-in

Pack ins do not count on game sales

specially if you wont allow Hexic HD to be listed as 17.7 million in sales.... as thats a pack in game TOO —Preceding unsigned comment added by PseudoKirby (talk • contribs) 11:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This was discussed here, and your removal of content also removed the sales reference for Wii Play. Just64helpin (talk) 11:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Pack-in games DO count. The majority of Super Mario Bros.'s 40 million sales came from being bundled with the NES. Also, Wii Sports is sold on it's own in Japan (unlike Hexic HD). TJ Spyke 23:27, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wii is Second smallest Nintendo console

I have a NES, the second version, not the big box, and it's smaller than the Wii. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.128.43.152 (talk) 23:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proof? Picture? Links? Nothing? We can't tell for sure unless you prove it. Two One Six Five Five τ ʃ 22:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by "smaller"? It could refer to depth, length or width. The NES 2 is shorter and not as wide as a Wii if said Wii is on its side, but the Wii isn't as thick as an NES 2.JIMfoamy1 (talk) 17:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly volume is the correct way to measure. As in wrap your console in plastic bag and dip it in water, see how much water rises. JayKeaton (talk) 14:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wii being released in Argentina

The Wii has been released in Argentina this week, and is distributed by New San S.A. However, they are only selling the console through web auction sites such as MercadoLibre and DeRemate. Proof: http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-33617826-nintendo-consola-wii-nuevos-garantia-oficialwii-sport-_JM —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnusmaster (talk • contribs) 22:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if that counts as an official release. It looks like a company just bought copies of the system from another South American country (since Nintendo shipped the same console across the continent) and are selling them on eBay type sites. Is there some any evidence of it officially being released in Argentina? I could compare it to buying DVD releases of Are You Afraid of the Dark?, they have only been officially released in Canada but you can buy them here in the United States through online sites. TJ Spyke 02:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't count on that. Unless they are considered an official distributor at Nintendo page, it is not verifiable. As far as I know, it hasn't been released officially because the existing two official distributors don't work with Nintendo anymore due import taxes (talked to them a year or so ago, and I doubt selling Wiis at $2,300 (over USD 700) is worth their hassle. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 00:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, wait, there is no need. In one of the replies, the seller writes tendriamos que ver como implementar ya que aqui hay un distribuidor oficial nintendo muy importante, estemos en contacto (we should check how to implement that [becoming an official game distributor] because down here there is a very important official Nintendo distributor). He officially imports the console, but is not an official distributor per se (contrary to others who sneak consoles without paying taxes). -- ReyBrujo (talk) 00:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
After sending an e-mail to the guys at New San, they answered me saying that the official distributor is Latamel Inc. in Panama (official distributor for all Latin America) and that New San was an authorised seller. I have no idea what that means, but they must be in contact with Latamel Inc. as the e-mail they sent to me in reply was signed with "Latamel Inc." and a phone number of the company, despite I sent the mail to New San. --200.114.247.175 (talk) 20:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

best selling game... wii sports

okay, someones pretty damn lazy. put the real best selling game instead of wii sports. i didn't buy it, i bought a wii. and you cant buy wii sports. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGreenLink (talk • contribs) 02:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see this topic. Just64helpin (talk) 02:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wii Sports is a pack-in in all regions except Japan, where you have to buy it sperately; therefore, it is considered the best-selling game since in some places you can buy it.JIMfoamy1 (talk) 17:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doctors using Wii games for therapy after strokes, surgery, war wounds

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/health/sfl-28wiitherapy,0,1903372,print.story 129.120.159.176 (talk) 00:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. I think it should be added. RC-0722 communicator/kills 00:56, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I heard about this on the news. I think it should be added too. Burner0718 01:29, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But where? I looked and couldn't find anywhere to put it. RC-0722 communicator/kills 01:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm thinking in "Demographics". Burner0718 01:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wii Shortages?

Should this be put into the article? It's definitely a big enough thing, I would just like to know if such a topic meets WIki guidelines. Seriously, the only way your gonna get a Wii is by preordering a bundle or by forking over nearly twice the system's value to a sometimes sketchy online retailer. Alreajk (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 03:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anything added has to pass WP:V and WP:N. If you can find a reliable source, maybe. TJ Spyke 03:15, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Shortages are already mentioned the "Launch" subsection. Additional or updated information would be best placed there, or in the "System sales" subsection. Just64helpin (talk) 03:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with the premise. You can get a Wii if you are resourceful. I have three kids and three Wii systems, and I bought them at Target and Walmart simply by asking the employees when the best time was to look for them.Asher196 (talk) 03:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I would say put it in "Launch" or "System sales". My friend got one as a late Christmas present. Burner0718 03:33, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, put it in the launch section. RC-0722 communicator/kills 05:00, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wii Message Board

Why are there no sections or articles on the Wii Message Board? I would think that would be noteworthy. JIMfoamy1 (talk) 13:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The message board is part of the Wii Menu, which has its own article and is summarized in the Wii article. Just64helpin (talk) 13:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wii feature articles

Some, but not all, Wii Channels and features have a seperate article. Why aren't there more articles on these features?JIMfoamy1 (talk) 17:36, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not every channel needs an article. For example, the Forecast Channel doesn't really have enough info to warrant a seperate article. TJ Spyke 00:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to propose the following external links:

Links to the other external links seem to be inline with the above. I have no relationship with GameFAQs but work on the first two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkcobalt (talk • contribs) 00:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of adding those links, why not just add a link to the Open Directory Project with the {{dmoz|Games/Video_Games/Console_Platforms/Nintendo/Nintendo_Wii}} template, which would appear as: "Wii at Curlie" and then remove the unofficial websites from the "External links" section that are duplicated in the Open Directory Project (IGN and The Wiire). --Silver Edge (talk) 03:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds good to me tbh. Seems like a more manageable way of doing it since DMOZ is already handling the approvals of legit sites. -- Darkcobalt (talk) 18:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK then, Lets kick this pig! RC-0722 communicator/kills 18:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Missing Ciritical Reception!

I see that PS3 has critical recpetion, so does 360. Why not give the Wii one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.14.91 (talk) 00:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Um, it already has a "Reception" section. Just64helpin (talk) 00:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WiiWare

No mention of WiiWare in the software library section? That doesn't seem right. In the whole article, there's not even a link to WiiWare! A least add a sentence that links to WiiWare so the reader can read more about it. 71.164.134.119 (talk) 23:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added a link in the "Wii Menu" subsection. Just64helpin (talk) 23:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wii Pay & Play

Have you guys discussed the Wii Pay & Play service? So far, there isn't much about it. "Nintendo's Takashi Aoyama announced a new expansion to Nintendo's Wi-Fi services called Wii Pay & Play. Aoyama explained that Nintendo will begin "collecting fees for some services [that] will allow us to adapt flexibly." In other words, by subsidizing additional, unnamed service and feature costs to consumers, Nintendo feels they can explore new concepts and channels." ~Kotaku[1]

My own assumptions are this is a 3rd Party version of "Wii Ware" for stuff like paying monthly fees for MMOs or DLC like for the upcoming Rock Band release. Obviously, there's not much information, but I think it could be added sometime. (P.S. I'm glad to see people like Spyke are still here keeping it real). —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 07:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We don't really have much info on it, but I agree that it seems most likely to be for things like MMO fees. Downloadable contet like songs in Rock Band are less likely IMO unless Nintendo adds HDD support since you would not be able to fit more than a handful of songs before the Wii's flash memory is filled. TJ Spyke 08:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's what SD cards are for. --Russoc4 (talk) 17:51, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that external hard drive support ability is simply a couple lines of code into a system update. They have the USB ports readily available and if they want to cater to more than the old or those that don't care too much about internet gameplay (Which is why I just bought an Xbox 360 (I'm sorry! Don't hurt me!) today as Nintendo was not sedating my online hunger), they will have to do this. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 05:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Pay to Pay is mentioned (with what little details are known) on the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection page. On a different note, people usually significantly overestimate the size of downloadable games and content. -Zomic13 (talk)
When the system has only 512MB of flash memory (which is also used up by things like the Forecast Channel, Check Mii Out Channel, Wii game saves, etc.), and the fact that transferring VC games to and from a SD card can take 10 minutes, it is a big deal (especially with how big N64 games are). TJ Spyke 16:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Most N64 games aren't that big. Mario Kart 64, for example is less than 12mb, and Super Mario 64 is less than 8mb. Sure there are a few larger ones, like Ocarina of Time (which is under 32mb), but the majority of the games are pretty small. The majority of save files are less than 5 blocks. -Zomic13 (talk) 17:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GC Action Replay now updated to work with Wii

Should this be mentioned? Datel has updated the firmware on their GameCube products so that they would be compatible with a Wii running any firmware version[2]. Mmark089 (talk) 05:33, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IMO, no. They did this before, and they were useless when Nintendo released the next update. Every time they release a new product, I think it will be useless when Nintendo released the next firmware update. TJ Spyke 15:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. Okay.Mmark089 (talk) 22:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If/when there is an article on Wii accessories, I think it will warrant being mentioned. TJ Spyke 22:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bit too much like an ad or like a manual?

I'm not sure if it's my place to say this, but I really think that it meets the criteria for these: WP:ADVERTISING WP:NOT#MANUAL —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiknerd (talk • contribs) 16:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What parts? The article itself is not much different than when it was promoted to Featured Article status (meaning one of the best articles on Wikipedia) and was featured on the front page as TFA. TJ Spyke 16:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's just great when editors raise general criticisms about large articles without specifying which sections they have concerns about, or at least giving concrete examples of what text they consider to be problematic. Wait, no I don't. --Maxamegalon2000 08:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You mean like this?
I just noticed a spelling mistake can someone fix it thx bye JayKeaton (talk) 17:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this article is written like an ad, and any sign of Neutrality is absent, it is devoid of the criticism that Wii routinely recieves. Or, any opposing viewpoints. Wageslave (talk) 17:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Either the above comment was a joke comment or trolling. The article is not written like an ad, is very neutral, has plenty of criticism (and more would be not neutral) and there are no viewpoints in it. The article is considered one of the best on Wikipedia for a reason. TJ Spyke 17:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Taking a look at your edit history, i'm guessing a troll comment since Wageslave appears to be an Xbox 360 fanboy (maybe upset becuase Wii managed to overtake Xbox 360's 1 year headstart in only 10 months? The Wii did manage to sell more systems in 10 months than Xbox 360 had in 22 months and continues to outsellf Xbox 360 in every country). TJ Spyke

17:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

No, Im trying to correct the NPOV that exists in the Xbox 360 articles.
Well, TJ Spyke, if you're not a fanboy yourself, perhaps you'd like to see my section "Wii Drive Problems" and take it upon yourself to create a "Technical Problems" section of Wii and include this. If you dont, maybe another regular Wii-Wikipedian can add it. Wageslave (talk) 19:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wii Drive Problems

Older Wiis owners are reporting problems with Disc Errors. They are unable to play SSB and are having to send their Wii to Nintendo for repair.

This fact should be included in a "Technical Problems" section in the Wii article.

From the article: "The DVD lens in the Wii is dirtier than the waste of life, human sesspool, talented actress and singer Paris Hilton. Nintendo has a remedy for you and plans to make the fix for free. What's the problem? Like the transformers, this is far more than meets the eye. "

from Nintendo: "Super Smash Bros. Brawl utilizes a double-layer disc which has a large memory capacity. A very small percentage of Wii consoles may have trouble consistently reading data off this large capacity disc if there is some contamination on the lens of the disc drive. Nintendo has specialized cleaning equipment that can resolve this problem. (Please do NOT attempt to clean the lens yourself, as you may damage the system."

"Please do NOT attempt to clean the lens yourself, as you may damage the system"

"Bottom Line: It is bullshit. It is just hard for me to swallow that some users that really expose their Wii's (I can't believe I just wrote that) to smoke and dust and aren't having issue, while others are having problems straight out of the box. I do not know exactly what the culprit is, but I know that Cheech and Chong are not the majority of what is causing it. I am also willing to bet that every one of the repaired Wiis will come home with a brand new DVD drive and not just a quick cleansing. "

"After being contacted by an inside source at Nintendo, I can confirm that some of the consoles that had the same issue in Japan last month were in fact replaced and not "Cleaned" as Nintendo stated. In most cases these "Replaced consoles were for the most part, older Wii's that came out at or around launch."

[3] [4]

So, who is going to include this in the Wii Article?

I propose something like the following: "Early Wii owners have an increased change of reporting Disc Read Failures. Reports have come from many users that the the game SSB frequently encounter the problem due to the nature of the SSB disc. Apparently the solution is to clean the lens of the machine, but Nintendo has advised against users undertaking this themselves. Nintendo recommends you send them the Wii for warranty servicing. But reports from an inside-source at Nintendo confirm that they are not in-fact cleaning the defective Wii drives, but replaceing them without the knowledge of the owners. There is no word from Nintendo on the exact number of Wii consoles that may require warranty service for this failure[5] [6] "

That should provide a good starting point, and, if this article *WAS* being maintained in a Neutral POV manner, it would include such a passage. But, not much non-praise has managed to arrive in this article (im looking at you tj spyke)

Wageslave (talk) 19:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ALL game systems (and all electronics in general) has a small amount of failures. It's happened with PS3, and the Xbox 360 could have an entire article for all the problems with that system (so bad that Microsoft has paid billions for the RRoD so far), unless you thing this should be mentioned in EVERY electonics article. With every major release on every system you get stories of people saying their system died. And no, Destrucoid.com spreading unsourced rumors is not worth noting, they have no proof of anything and we should not be spreadin rumor as fact. Besides, those rumors are about SSBB itself, not the Wii. Bring it up on the SSBB talkpage to see if they think it's worth mentioning there (although I doubt they will agree).
Just because you think the article on this gen's #1 system (that is factually correct since it has sold more systems than the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3) is bad doesn't make it so, the Wikipedia community has determined it to be one of the best articles. There is a reason it was promoted to Featuread Article status and even shown on the front page as "Today's Featured Article". TJ Spyke 19:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please try and remain on-topic. Destructiod's article is not the only source, please see the second link. And the links in Destructoid article.
"Destrucoid.com spreading unsourced rumors is not worth noting" is incorrect. Please review my two links. From the videogamer.com article "Nintendo has issued a statement concerning problems many Japanese Wii gamers have been experiencing"
Here is the link from IGN of the translation of Nintendo's statment on the failures [7].
Here is Nintendo's translated article on the matter [8]
Which, we know by the inside-source from Nintendo is a lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wageslave (talk • contribs) 19:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is a Wii hardware issue, why are you trying to exclude this fact from the article? The issue is not the SSB software, but the disc-type it shipped on (did you read the article?).
The article may have been promotoed, but it is not as accurate or complete as it could be. This information should clearly be included. I think we can clearly see your motivation.
Further, Microsoft has paid a Billion, not "billions". That is inaccurate. And, while the Wii may be the top selling console hardware, the Xbox 360 represents 47% of the money spent on this generation in combined software and hardware sales. So, it really matters how you choose to look at it.
While I appreciate your passion for promoting the Wii, your objection doesnt address the reality of the situation.
If this material is not included in a short while, I will come and do it myself... I'd just like to offer the opportunity to a regular Wii-Article editor.
Wageslave (talk) 19:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think a brief mention of Nintendo's lens-fixing offer would be appropriate. The rumors beyond the offer don't seem to be, though. I'll also note that the basic information is mentioned at the Nintendo optical discs article. Just64helpin (talk) 19:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
They are offering to clean the lens. But are in-fact changing the drives. That fact should be included too. Wageslave (talk) 19:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There is no proof of that. There is 1 site saying they think Nintendo is doing that, and not even providing a source. TJ Spyke 22:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Destructoid has an inside-source. They are a reputable site, and using it as a source is well within Wikipedia guidelines. 70.178.97.83 (talk) 23:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Another source [9]

I would propose section 2.3, "Technical Issues" be moved into its own heading, and it would contain two sub-sections; "Firmware Updates" and "Drive Problems". Where the former keep the same text, while the latter include:

"Early Wii owners have an increased change of reporting Disc Read Failures. Reports have come from many users that the the game SSB frequently encounter the problem due to the nature of the SSB disc. Apparently the solution is to clean the lens of the machine, but Nintendo has advised against users undertaking this themselves. Nintendo recommends you send them the Wii for warranty servicing. [10]. But reports from an inside-source at Nintendo confirm that they are not in-fact cleaning the defective Wii drives, but replaceing them without the knowledge of the owners.[11]There is no word from Nintendo on the exact number of Wii consoles that may require warranty service for this failure[12] [13]

70.178.97.83 (talk) 23:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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