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Shonen Jump check
Hey! Per the listing at the project magazine archive, you have the November 2007 issue of Shonen Jump? The Dragon Ball article has a reference to that issue, but it is missing some basic information (like article name, author, etc), and I'd like to also know what the rest of the article says as its just kinda shoved in the artcle's production section. The reference says the article is on page 388. Can you take a peek and let me know if that's right and help with the missing info? -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:54, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Sure, no problem! I'll get the necessary info when I get home (and hope that I don't end up having to type the article out, since I don't have a scanner I can use... =P ). —Dinoguy100015:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome, thanks. Hopefully it isn't too big an article :P -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 18:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
All right, let's see... The article's title is "Interview with the Majin! Revisited", and it's a continuation of an interview from the previous issue, aptly titled "Interview with the Majin!" (on page 360). There is no author information in either interview segment - IIRC, Shonen Jump makes an annoying habit of omitting that info. As for the particular question mentioned in Dragon Ball:
Shonen Jump: Most of the girls in Dragon Ball Z are beautiful and sexy, but they're also strong. Is there a reason for that?
Akira Toriyama: The reason is simple. I'm uncomfortable drawing weak females. It's no fun drawing them that way.
In the rest of the interview, Toriyama talks about how the most powerful characters in DBZ tend to be the smallest, as well as some of his personal interests and the like. In the first interview, he talks about whether he feels a special connection to the word "dragon" and if he likes them, whether he knew he was going to draw an "epic drama of different generations" and if he had a message he wanted to convey to his readers, the appearance of Majin Boo, and one question about Neko Majin (there was a mini-interview specifically about it on the previous page, if you'd like some information for its article too). If you want me to give you more full questions and answers, just ask! ;) --66.116.22.178 (talk) 00:49, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A week later, I get back to answering :P I hope I don't have to move again for a long long time. I think the interview on Neko Majin would be useful, as the DB article talks about it, but its disjointed and makes no sense. If any of the qs include production info, that would also be very useful. :) -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 04:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
All right, I'll dig out those issues and read through the interviews more carefully, and see if there's anything useful there. ;) —Dinoguy100015:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Eh? You mean the magazine archive? In any case, I really need to get back to this, it's been almost three weeks since Collectonian requested it of me! 0_0 —Dinoguy100017:05, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~jumps in~ (pun intended LOL), Jump proposed a magazine task force for the project, but that's separate from the magazine archive. :)m -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 17:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Aah, I see... I don't remember seeing anything about it on the project talk page or any of its associated subpages, was all the discussion on user talk pages? —Dinoguy100017:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think it was mentioned on the project talk, but mostly done on the WikiProjects board. Would probably get more interest if it was proposed directly on the project page. Two of our mag articles are ready for GA, I think, except for a copyedit. (and LOL at my "saving" your page from you :-P). -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 17:57, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... now that you talk about it like that, I think I do remember reading something about it somewhere... but I can't recall any specifics. A task force *might* fly, or perhaps the Magazine Archive task force could be expanded to include that type of work? (no problem about that, I half-expected someone to revert it anyways... ;) although I have to ask, weren't you the least bit surprised to see an anon edit showing that level of technical knowledge?) —Dinoguy100018:01, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be too different to make it part of the archive. The Archive is really an internal oriented thing for project members to help one another, while this proposed one would focus on magazine articles. And not really...I've seen far too many anon's pop out obscure policy and guidelines links to be surprised ;) -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 18:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... I really need to think through what I say a little better, that should have been pretty obvious. ;P Interesting about the anons, though, but then I really don't spend much time browsing talk pages, so... —Dinoguy100018:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All right, here's what you wanted, Collectonian (note that the Nekomajin "mini-interview" is actually just one of SJ's standard lead-ins to their manga previews; nevertheless, it's got some info you might like, so I've typed it out for you):
Nekomajin Z (by Akira Toriyama) (p. 358; October 2007)
While Dragon Ball Z's Goku, Vegeta and Majin Boo were busy blasting each other to bits in the manga, they were also making cameo appearances in another series by DBZ creator Akira Toriyama. That series, called Nekomajin (neko = cat, majin = magical being), told the adventures of three different members of a race of cat-like creatures called (surprise!) Nekomajin, including one named Z who is the hero of the chapter you're about to read.
SHONEN JUMP is proud to bring you the first chapter of Nekomajin ever to be published in English! The chapter that follows is one of eight that appeared in Japan's Shonen Jump between 1999 and 2005, and were compiled into a single volume that was printed on nice, big pages and included snazzy color art.
But before you get started, we'll answer three questions to give you a head start.
1. What exactly is a Nekomajin?
As Toriyama-sensei tells it, a Nekomajin is "a cat-like creature that can use a bit of magic." Twenty-eight Nekomajin are confirmed to exist in the world, and while nothing is known of their life cycle, they appear to live in the countryside and enjoy a simple, rustic life. Their so-called magic is nothing special, but Nekomajin seem to excel in martial arts.
2. Who is the cave boy, and why does he offer his koala?
We don't know the cave boy's name, but he's a friend of Nekomajin Z's and hangs out with him. Whenever Nekomajin Z and the boy spot a tourist (especially a Japanese one) they try to extort money by offering a photo opportunity with a fake koala, which is actually Nekomajin Z in disguise! (Why? Er... why not?)
3. What does the writing on the Nekomajin's shirt say?
The symbol on the front of Z's shirt is katakana for "ネ" (ne), which stands for "Nekomajin." And fans of Dragon Ball Z will know that Z's costume looks a lot like Son Goku's...
Interview with the Majin! (p. 360; October 2007)
Shonen Jump
Did you have in mind that you were going to draw basically an epic drama of different generations? I mean, we see Goku as a kid and he grows up strong and gets married, has a family. We even see his son grow up and fight alongside his father. Is there any message you wanted to convey to the readers?
Akira Toriyama
Unfortunately, I never imagined it. My style in working on a serialized manga is this: in order to keep the sense of suspenseful tension, I worked without thinking about the next episode. The author himself was wondering who would win the battle.
Jump
When we last interviewed you, at Jump Festa, you told us that the idea of Nekomajin came from your pet cat. Is one of your cats as fat and lazy as Nekomajin Z? Could you tell us more about how you came to draw Nekomajin Z?
Toriyama
Our household cat is a Cornish Rex. So the cat is rather skinny. Nekomajin was inspired by how its face looks when it sleeps. Karin-sama from Dragon Ball was also inspired in the same manner. I wanted to draw a silly gag manga as a repercussion after the long period of drawing a story-heavy manga.
Jump
Is the appearance of Majin Boo inspired by the Arabian-style majin, or "genie"? His clothes seem to have a sort of Arabian fairy-tale style. Or were you thinking of a different kind of "majin"?
Toriyama
Right. I saw The Arabian Nights when I was a kid, so I have this set image of what a majin, or genie, should look like. So that's how I came to put him in that costume.
Jump
After working on Dragon Quest, Dragon Ball and Blue Dragon, do you feel a special connection to the word "dragon"?
Toriyama
It's just a coincidence. Dragon Ball is the only title that I came up with. [Dragon Quest and Blue Dragon are not his creations. -Ed.]
Jump
Do you like dragons? If you can have a dragon as a pet, would you like an Asian dragon or a European dragon? Why? And what would you name it?
Toriyama
Definitely a European dragon. There is no awkwardness in the design of European dragons, and I really like the balance of its features. If small dragons existed, I really would like to have one as a pet. I'd probably name it Gon.
(by the way, just so you know, a later feature on page 382 of the same issue states that "In Japan, Trunks was so popular that they named a soft drink after him: Trunks Cola" (21 Things Every Human Should Know About Dragon Ball!))
Interview with the Majin! Revisited (p. 388; November 2007)
Jump
Most of the girls in Dragon Ball Z are beautiful and sexy, but they're also strong. Is there a reason for that?
Toriyama
The reason is simple. I'm uncomfortable drawing weak females. It's no fun drawing them that way.
Jump
In several parts of Dragon Ball, the most powerful character is actually the smallest, cutest and youngest-looking. For example, young Goku, or Freeza and Majin Boo in their final transformations. Is that because kids are small and cute, but also want to be powerful?
Toriyama
I wanted to go against people's expectation that the strong ones always get stronger and bigger. I consciously tried to switch between telling a straightforward story and telling one that was unconventional and contradictory.
Jump
Would you recommend that readers train in martial arts? And what martial arts are you into?
Toriyama
I think learning a martial art is wonderful for the mind [as well as the body]. I rarely watch TV shows that feature martial arts. Occasionally I'll watch boxing matches. Boxers who are quiet yet strong are cool! But they're rare.
Jump
Do you have a favorite kung fu movie?
Toriyama
I've watched a lot of them, but I think Enter the Dragon and Drunken Master are the best kung fu movies ever made. When it comes to movies in general, I'd include Alien and Galaxy Quest. Those four movies are amazing for the way they get people excited!
Jump
Could you give some tips on how to do a cool Kamehameha pose? And what would be the best angle to shoot the action from?
Toriyama
If you move the camera around while you're shooting, the motion and the edits are going to be complicated. But if you shoot from one place, I'd say it would be behind the person, slightly to the right, if they were posing on that side.
Jump
Lastly, is there a question that you've always wanted to be asked?
Toriyama
This isn't something I've wanted to say, but my manga-ka friends think it's unusual. I don't have much interest in manga and anime, and I hardly ever read or watch them. I don't understand it myself. I loved manga and anime until I was about 11. After that, I pretty much lost interest, and now I don't read or watch them anymore. It's probably because my interest shifted to movies and so on. But I've never thought about making a movie. I'd rather think up a manga story. Also, my personality means that I only see what's ahead. I've already forgotten a lot about the manga I've drawn. To be honest, I'm often at a loss when I'm asked Dragon Ball questions and end up asking myself, "What is the question about?"
There you go. I tried to order the questions somewhat logically, since no obvious order was given in the magazines, and all typos are likely my fault (I'm typing all this at 1 on the morning LOL). --Dinoguy1000 as 66.116.22.178 (talk) 06:31, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And here's an interview with Toriyama from an earlier issue (July 2006; Number 43, Volume 4 Issue 7; pp. 8, 10, 12, 14; titled "Interview with Akira Toriyama!"):
Page 8
Shonen Jump: Your first manga, Dr. Slump, is being published in English — what is your message for English-language fans who have read Dragon Ball but not Dr. Slump — what should they expect?
Akira Toriyama: You're really doing Dr. Slump? It's so Japanese, I wonder if some of the jokes will translate. And it's such a silly manga, but I love creating silly manga. That's my specialty. Please read it.
SJ: What techniques or programs do you use for your computer coloring of your recent color art?
AT: Originally the reason I started doing computer graphics was that I'd just gotten fed up with the process of coloring with ink, so I started using the PC. The was before it was standard to do so. I thought it was fun. It's difficult to get the subtleties in color, but I no longer wanted to color without the PC. It's not messy. I use Photoshop, but a very old version of Photoshop, version three. If I have time, I also use a program called Painter.
SJ: The Dragon Ball characters have been adapted into video games, using 3D art. Do you have any interest in using 3D art in your manga? What do you think of cel-shading?
Page 10
AT: Yes, I am interested, and I'd love to try it, but at my age it would be difficult to try and learn it. So I'm thinking if my kids learn it, they could teach me. And yes, if you're striving to have a manga quality in the animation, then cel-shading is the way to go.
SJ: Have you ever worked directly on animation?
AT: I have wanted to, but the work level seems huge, so I haven't. I can see that writing a story for animation looks like a lot of fun, but not drawing the individual animation cels. I certainly can draw as well as the animators.
SJ: In the past few years you've done some short stories for Weekly Shonen Jump in Japan, including some with the character Nekomajin — can you explain his origin?
AT: I have a cat, and I use my cat as a model. I thought of the character Kuririn from Dragon Ball, and then I further added comical elements.
SJ: Do you own a lot of pets?
AT: Yes, including lots of fish and turtles.
SJ: Today, when you draw a short-story manga, do you draw it all in a few days in one intensive burst of energy — like when you were doing a weekly manga — or do you draw it more leisurely and slowly, a few hours a day or less, over a longer period of time?
Page 12
AT: I really want to work on it a lot at the time, and I try, bur for some reason my arm just doesn't work until it's three days prior to a deadline. And I always regret it every single time. My hand starts to ache, and I'm not able to sleep — I just stay up all night.
SJ: When you drew a children's book, Toccio the Angel, did you think of your own children's taste?
AT: I actually started it a long time ago, so in the beginning, yes, I had my kids in mind. But I took so long to finish it, that by the time I did, my kids were all grown up, already in junior high school, and weren't interested in that sort of thing anymore. And as I was drawing, I started integrating things that I like, such as animals.
SJ: If Dragon Ball's Goku had not been part monkey, is there another animal that you would have used to create your main character?
AT: I didn't actually intend Goku to be based on an animal, per se. In the beginning he was just a human being, but I was told by my editor at the time that he didn't look appealing or make a strong impression. I sort of wanted an ordinary person, but it wasn't approved, so I gave him a tail.
Page 14
SJ: In the beginning of Dragon Ball, there are many animal-headed people — panda people, crocodile people, cow people, cat people, etc. — in the backgrounds. But, by the end of the series, there are almost no animal-headed people. Was this a result of the increasing "seriousness" of the story?
AT: It could be the seriousness, but it's probably that I'd forgotten by the end to include them. In the beginning I was still working under the after-effects of Dr. Slump.
SJ: Several readers have asked if Namekians are plants. Of course, based on their names, they seem to be slugs... but they are green, they have a strange method of reproduction, and they live on water.
AT: That's a tough question. I thought of Piccolo first, and I wanted to draw him as a scary character, and it was only afterwards that I had to come up with his species. Since they have antennae, I thought they looked like slugs. So "Namekian" is a play on words, but I didn't think too deeply about it. [The word for "slug" in Japanese is "namekuji."] I don't think they're plants, but they may be hermaphrodites.
In addition, a blurb on page 8 (titled "Catch Some Z's") mentions "[...] What does the 'Z' mean? It's just a subtitle invented for the second season of the Japanese anime, distinguishing the earlier, funnier stories from the later, more intense stories when the characters are grown up." On p. 14, there's another blurb, titled "Dr. Slump" and stating "[...] (A hopeful note to aspiring comic artists: Toriyama drew it while living with his parents.)" (I omitted text from both blurbs for brevity). —Dinoguy100019:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Aah, no problem. ;) I'm actually considering writing Viz Media and asking their permission to duplicate all these interviews and whatnot on a subpage of mine, so we don't actually need a hard copy of a magazine issue to check this stuff (unless it's necessary to confirm that it's correct, was published, etc.). Any thoughts? —Dinoguy100019:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Considering I created the article just a couple weeks ago and am still in the process of cleaning it up, is it too much to ask that you would have asked me why I named the article what I did? Or at least let me know when you decided it needed to be changed? Westrim (talk) 22:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't usually review an article's history before moving it to be compliant with the MoS, although I do look through relevant move logs and talk pages to check for prior activity. That being said, the old title was, if nothing else, in violation of WP:CAPS - words such as "music" and "album" should never be capitalized in article titles unless they are the first word of the title, or if they are part of a proper title (title of book, movie, etc.). In addition, the simpler form "List of X albums" as opposed to "List of X music and albums" is supported by WP:ANIME consensus (I can't say anything for WP:MUSIC, not being a member and being unfamiliar with their guidelines and past discussions). —Dinoguy100022:19, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't aware of WP:CAPS- I just considered it a title, which are usually capitalized. I'm aware of the consensus but as there were several singles and an "audio drama" (which I have yet to check on) in addition to the albums, it seemed inappropriate to only acknowledge the albums, regardless of convention Westrim (talk) 23:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That seems to me akin to calling an episode list "List of X episodes and movies" just because it includes a list of movies, or "List of X episodes and DVDs" just because it includes a list of DVD releases (note that these are both standard additions to episode lists, where there are not enough movies to support a seperate list of movies). That being said, I don't feel very strongly on music list articles (most of my time on list articles is spent with lists of episodes and chapters), so if you want to bring this up with the project as a whole, they can probably explain the reasoning better than I can... or you might be able to change consensus. Who knows? ;) --User:Dinoguy1000 as 66.116.22.178 (talk) 02:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, Eric, thanks for the heads-up! I already knew about it, yeah, although the link to Ilmari's talk page is new... I'll have to read through that at some point (and try out the functionality for myself... I've been meaning to for awhile now). —Dinoguy100021:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... I don't see why not(and personally, I'd like to see a {{{CoverCharacters}}} parameter added, but that's just me)... And now that I look at the documentation, what's the "Cover art" deal about? I've never seen that before... —Dinoguy100018:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No idea...its been there since the beginning of it, but its never used like that and makes no sense to me. Not like the cover artist is usually different, from the manga-ka :-P-- Collectonian (talk·contribs) 16:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, then, I'd say go ahead and update the documentation, rm the "Cover art" and add "Title" and "Cover character(s)", with the formatting currently used (definition lists). I may start a conversation on the template's talk page to add dedicated parameters for both of these while I'm at it - IIRC, it's been proposed before, but no one bothered to do anything about it. —Dinoguy100017:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not that I recall, although references to the series have definitely been made in the magazine (mostly just promoting the series for sale)... but keep in mind that I currently have no access to any but one issue from before October 2005 (and it's possible that I've lost access to some of these issues as well, since the libraries may have lost an issue or something), and also that I'm still working through issues up to where my own collection starts. I suppose I should check on eBay or something to see if anyone has older issues up for sale... *starts thinking* —Dinoguy100018:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's no problem, I've placed a bid, and hopefully I'll get it. *crosses fingers* Unfortunately, I probably won't know until Monday, so... —Dinoguy100018:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It seems one of the earliest issues has an article discussing Saint Seiya, but I'm not sure if any of it is useful. I'll put it up here anyways, when I get the chance. —Dinoguy100019:32, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Could you explain why, in your edit [2], the section headers are inappropriate? It seems that there is concern that the opening section is too long (which explains Sumimu adding that header) and that the character section describes two different sets of characters.
The first header he added, the one to shorten the lead, was inappropriate because it didn't really solve the problem - it merely left a stub lead, and shoved the rest of it off into a bad section. The content is all lead content, and is not suitable for a section. If it's too long, the solution is to edit it down to size, not to just split most of it off into a new section that goes against the animanga MOS (note that even if the intent was to create a "Conception and Production" section, it would likely still have to be started from scratch, with proper sources to back everything up). The second header wasn't inappropriate per se, but also wasn't necessary - the character section is already split into the two groups by the level three header already used in it. If you think the header still belongs there, though, I wouldn't be against its reinsertion. —Dinoguy100016:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Signpost updated for November 17, 2008 and before.
Because the Signpost hasn't been sent in a while, to save space, I've condensed all seven issues that were not sent into this archive. Only the three issues from November are below.
Aah, sorry about that, I failed to notice... thanks for the catch! I may nominate it for AfD in the next day or two, I've got too much else to do today. =P —Dinoguy100019:08, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
FLCL DVD
In your edit comment you were asking for details on the liner notes. The product is the "FLCL Ultimate Edition" DVD Box set. It comes with (among other goodies) a booklette about 20 pages long including a glossary/lexicon for each episode, notes from various people involved in the production of both the original production, and the English dub, and short essays on a few select topics, including Haruko's Bass and Haruko's Vespa. -Verdatum (talk) 22:41, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All right, cool... I don't suppose you can provide the exact page number of the essay on Haruko's guitar? Posting the sessay - either here or on Talk:FLCL would also help, along with any other details you think might be useful (I've never sourced (or seen sourced) DVD liner notes, so I'm not exactly sure what info might be necessary myself... Collectonian, I know you're watching this, do you have anything to add?). —Dinoguy100022:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, putting up the essay would be a copyvio, however, I put up the quote in question in the discussion page. The essay is titled The Bass-ics of "FLCL" And is credited to Hiroaki Sakurai. The pages in the booklet are not numbered. It should come as no surprise, the booklet itself has no ISBN or other identifier.
BTW, it does indeed go on to say that one of the modifications to it is a left-handed neck and left handed body (as opposed to McCartney's which was the more common left handed body but a right handed neck). I didn't think it was worth going into that level of detail...but it may be appropriate, because the director especially and apparently Japanese in general have a big fascination with left handed people. -Verdatum (talk) 05:04, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the ISBN would be that on the DVD (DVDs recieve ISBN numbers, don't they?), and a page number should still be given, even if the pages aren't actually numbered. I'm still not sure exactly how to structure the reference, though... =P —Dinoguy100018:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have recently discovered and added ArticleAlertbot to the abovementioned page. The intention being that the bot can take over the process of adding PROD's and Misc items e.g VFH-10 Veritech AGAC PRODDED, as well as displaying the results thereof ... and redirected.
You might want to consider replacing the manually maintained list with the bot maintained list, as the subpage is designed to be transcluded onto the main list.
Just tweak the settings as follow and replace the manually maintained list in the same way as I have done with WP:ANIME/ASSESS:
{{User:ArticleAlertbot/Subscription|workflows=DEL|banner=WikiProject Anime and manga|display=box}}→
{{User:ArticleAlertbot/Subscription|workflows=DEL, !AFD|banner=WikiProject Anime and manga}}
I have opened a discussion earlier, but received no response yet, so I guess there are no objections yet. Another comprehensive list is available as well, from which the AFD list and archive can be maintained.
Hmm... I think this would make archiving completed discussions slightly harder, but on the upside, we no longer have to hunt down the stuff and list it ourselves. I'll look into this more when I've got more time, right now I have to work through a 5 day backlog of edits... @_@ —Dinoguy100019:52, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Um, I noticed that you moved the Godchild page to The Cain Saga. I don't think that The Cain Saga is the name of the series as a whole; it is the name of the 5 volume prequel. The name the Viz editors use for the whole series is the Earl Cain Series (and I'm not quite sure if it is The Earl Cain Saga and not the Earl Cain Series) so I guess that makes it the offical title for the series? Anyway, thanks for reading this. Kaguya-chan (talk) 20:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually yes, The Cain Saga is the name for the series as a whole, and the official English name of Count Cain, the first of the two manga series. It is also the name that Viz is using on their website. Godchild is used only for the second part of the series. :) (my turn! *muahahahaha*) -- Collectonian (talk·contribs) 20:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the quick reply, Collectonian! =D As for the name of the series as a whole, if you have reliable references stating that the series is known in English as the "Earl Cain Saga" or similar, we can discuss a move - when I did the work on the The Cain Saga article, I was actually anticipating the potential that the article might end up moved again. —Dinoguy100020:51, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was using the editor's note in The Cain Saga where he refers to the series as a whole as the Earl Cain Series. The first of the editor notes says: "Welcome to Forgotten Juliet, the first volume of The Cain Saga and, in the timeline of Cain's life, the first installment in the Earl Cain Series. A prequel to Godchild, which is actually Earl Cain Series 5". Then on the opposite page there is "Read Kaori Yuki's entire Earl Cain Series Series 1:The Cain Saga:Forgotten Juliet Series 2: The Cain Saga:The Sound of a Boy Hatching Series 3: The Cain Saga:Kafka Series 4:The Cain Saga:The Mark of the Red Ram, Parts 1&2 Series 5:Godchild, Volumes 1-8". And here's the entire editor's note in Kafka:"You don't need to know the title to get that the third volume in The Cain Saga is Kaori Yuki's ode to the style of Franz Kafka, the German literary master of surreal paranoid delusion. You could even argue that the entire Earl Cain Series begs at least thematic comparison to that other Kafka classic of convulation, The Trial. Here we meet the mysterious Justine, referenced later in Godchild, for the first time. Jizabel fills in a horrid hole in Cain's family tree. And in true Kafkaesque fashion, we are treated to the mind-bending tale of a very confused girl in the one-off, "Ellie in Summer Clothes". Enjoy, Joel Enos Editor Earl Cain Series". Wow, that was a lot to type. :) Kaguya-chan (talk) 21:21, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
*sigh* as if it wasn't complicated enough already... I haven't read any of the first series (and it's not available in my local library system, so I can't at this time), otherwise I'd have read that myself and taken it into account. This is almost depressingly complicated... T~T It's also important to note, though, that The Cain Saga is only a "prequel" to Godchild here - in Japan, TCS was released first, and Godchild was released as a continuation/sequel (as I understand it). —Dinoguy100017:39, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All right, I'll move the pages in a bit if no one else beats me to it. This means, unfortunately, that the lead will have to be rewritten (again =P ). —Dinoguy100019:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why did you rename the page Earl Cain Saga and not Earl Cain Series? (even though Earl Cain Saga does sound better than Earl Cain Series.) I thought that the notes referred to it as the Earl Cain Series. Kaguya-chan (talk) 23:07, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly, I'm not sure the saga/series part is actually part of the title (it's always lowercase in the notes, for one). I think it may actually be best to just remove it altogether (boy, do I feel bad for anyone in the future who tries looking through the move logs for these articles =P ). —Dinoguy100018:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In the Godchild vol. 1 note, it's lowercase (I pay very close attention when transcribing stuff like this, so the quote on the above-linked subpage of mine is accurate). You can go ahead and move to "Series" if you want, I just want all the moves to be over with. =P —Dinoguy100020:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Er... if there's nothing else sharing the name of "Earl Cain", the "(series)" disambiguator isn't necessary, so the page still needs to be moved one more time. —Dinoguy100021:40, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Aah, that explains it... I see you've already speedy-move tagged the redirect, Collectonian. ("boy, do I feel bad for anyone in the future who tries looking through the move logs for these articles =P ") —Dinoguy100021:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Especially after all the double-redirects get fixed... (hehe, this is some crazy indenting, though not the most I've ever seen ^_^ ) —Dinoguy100022:00, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I hate it when like you're at school or the library and they don't have the Japanese fonts installed... IT MAKE ME MAD D: moocowsrule05:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I know... But I've got it in good with the guy who takes care of the library computers (he was my IT Essentials and Physics teacher), so there's a chance I may be able to convince him to install the necessary fonts. ^_^ —Dinoguy100018:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for adding the link to Naruto wiki... I didn't know how to put it. I think my librarian would try to kill me if I installed Japanese fonts on a compy... She's not that nice... moocowsrule00:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I'll change the other images to one single image. I think the image of Chocola should stay though if that's alright, since she is the focus of the OVA based on the series. Kelakagandy (talk) 01:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. I used to have one of those bars on my own userpage, but got bored with it and took it down. That, and some editors don't particularly like being tricked by fake interface messages... ;) —Dinoguy100018:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... not much detail there, is there? Looking at the talk page, I see an immediate possibility for splitting out a List of defunct manga magazines or similar, and at the least, I think publication dates should be added, and possibly the publication schedule (weekly, monthly, biannual, etc.). Other than that, I'm really not sure what to do with the list. Any thoughts on your end? —Dinoguy100018:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Parent company would be good as well, it fits in with how we mention the author on List of manga licensed in English. Speaking of that, is there any type of precedent for creating similar "List of manga licensed in X" lists for other languages, or would that just fall under "let the other-language Wikipedias see to their own" (just curious, I don't have a plan or anything... ;) )? —Dinoguy100022:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Might be something to ask the project when I've got nothing better to do... In any case, I doubt I'll be able to really start anything with List of manga magazines today, since I only have about a half hour left at the library (and I'm still playing Watchlist Catchup). —Dinoguy100022:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's what I figured (I've been stalking reading your blog for a few weeks now XD ). Hmm... the idea of someone's mom having a boyfriend (or dad + girlfriend) just seems incredibly weird to me, for some reason... —Dinoguy100023:07, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Infobox animanga update
Hey Farix, I see you're doing another AWB run to update transclusions of {{Infobox animanga}}. It's looking pretty good, but I was wondering if you could split publishers, broadcasters, etc. out using the _en and _other parameters as appropriate, and if you could also alphasort these parameters by country name. (In addition, I've been mulling over starting a discussion for a massive overhaul of the infobox... I guess I should wait awhile before starting it now ;) ). —Dinoguy100021:13, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I won't be able to deal with the _en and _other parameters as there is too much involved then a simple search and replace. And frankly, I would prefer to see the _en parameters phased out altogether. As for your proposed changes, it's still early in the update and I can pause it while your make your proposed overhaul. I only finished the numbers and As, approximately the first 200 of over 3,000 transclustions. --Farix (Talk) 21:31, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No problem! I really don't do anything with peer reviews, although I will do copyedits (mostly to article leads) from time to time if I really feel like it. —Dinoguy100023:06, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Have a look at User:Dinoguy1000/Anime, Avatar is listed there... but I normally don't have much time to watch stuff on the internet, and missing a bit of Avatar doesn't really bother me (though I *would* like to know how it all ends, beyond the plot summaries given in the articles). —Dinoguy100016:34, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is a draft for an overhaul conversation I've been mulling over for some time, but didn't start on until now because I never intended to start the actual discussion until after the new year. Right now, it's mostly just an outline, but that's because my mind goes blank when I try to write all the great stuff I thought out the day before. ;P Feel free to make suggestions, corrections, additions, etc. since this is a draft.
{{Infobox animanga}} has been updated somewhat haphazardly over time, and as a result, there are many inconsistencies between components
Currently, {{Infobox animanga}} covers several media release formats and types. However, exact type of media is becoming increasingly irrelevant, particularly in relation to release format (for instance, OVAs are often aired on television in the United States, and therefore, the OVA component should have network parameters just as the anime component does). Therefore, the infobox needs to be rethought from the ground up.
Within the scope of media covered by WikiProject Anime and manga, media can be split into three main types, each of which can be further split (these further divisions may overlap between the main three categories).
The first category covers the type of the media - whether it's television/film, book/printed, audio, or video game. There is occasionally some overlap here, almost always of the form of video games having anime clips, but this is inconsequential and can be ignored.
The second category is largely in relation to television/film, and covers the means of production - in this category are televised anime series, OVAs, ONAs, anime films, live-action television series, live-action films, and anything else which could conceivably be aired on television or distributed via VHS, DVD, or other formats. It mostly is intended to distinguish between live-action and animated works; although it also covers printed works, distinguishing between manga, novels, and light novels; and audio works, where it distinguishes between one-time dramas and regular programs.
The third category covers the initial method of distribution, and depending on the type of the media (the first category), different methods could be extremely trivial (manga being serialized versus published in tankōbon format) or very important (anime OVAs typically have much better production values than televised anime series). The "initial" is to be stressed here, since the same series may end up being distributed in multiple ways - for instance, an anime series may initially be televised, and then later released to VHS, DVD, or some other format; when it gets licensed for translation and distribution in another country, it may instead be released directly to VHS or DVD, or it may be streamed online free or for a cost, or it may be distributed via other means (for instance, over Xbox Live).
In television/film, the main divisions here are between televised productions, direct-to-video productions (OVAs and original DVD animations), productions distributed via the internet (ONAs), and productions released to theaters (almost always films).
In printed media, the main distinction is between those productions that get serialized in a magazine (typically weekly, but several are monthly or follow other schedules) and those that get directly published in book format, though it's important to remember that almost without exception, those series which are originally serialized get published in book form eventually. One-shots can also be distinguished, but these typically don't have independent notability, and there are few instances where they even get mentioned in articles.
In audio media, the distinction is between radio programs and programs released directly to CD, though there may be other release formats.
Currently, {{Infobox animanga}} covers several of these, but not necessarily all, and some of them get duplicated:
{{Infobox animanga/Manga}} covers manga series, whether they're serialized or published in tankōbon format; it also covers one-shots, but there is no specialized parameter for distinguishing these.
{{Infobox animanga/Anime}} covers television anime series and television films, although the distinction between these and the films covered by the film component and why they should be supported here instead of in the film component is not clear.
{{Infobox animanga/Movie}} covers animated and live-action theatrical films; as noted above, there is no clear reason why it cannot also cover television films. This is the Infobox animanga-compatible version of {{Infobox Film}}, with many of the parameters stripped out; it may benefit from having most or all of these restored; particularly when merging articles on nonnotable films.
{{Infobox animanga/Video}} covers original video animations, original net animations, and direct-to-video films; it could easily be merged into the anime and film components, which would reduce redundancy between components and resolve several other issues.
{{Infobox animanga/Drama}} covers television drama series and one-time TV drama specials or movies. Other than that, it's largely identical to the anime component and could easily be merged there.
{{Infobox animanga/Audio}} covers audio dramas, both those released on the radio and directly to CD.
{{Infobox animanga/Game}} covers all video games. Like the film component, this is a greatly stripped-down and Infobox animanga-compatible of {{Infobox VG}}, and may benefit from having many of these removed parameters restored, particularly when merging in articles on nonnotable video games.
{{Infobox animanga/Novel}} covers novels and light novels, and is the Infobox animanga-compatible version of {{Infobox Book}}. Like the film and video game components, this one may benefit from reviewing the main infobox template for additional parameters.
I've looked over this proposal and thought about the part suggesting a merger of the video and book components of {{Infobox animanga}}. I've done some prototyping in one of my sandboxes to check how feasible that proposal may be. You can see the results at User:TheFarix/Sandbox2. --Farix (Talk) 18:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... Looks pretty cool so far. If you want to contribute anything to this draft while you're at it, feel free... In any case, it'll be good to have some prototype templates when I finally finish this up and post it for general discussion. Based on your work so far, how much work do you think will be necessary to update the average article to the new format? 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)18:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks for the heads up! I'm probably gonna step out of the conversation, really, I don't have much of anything to add at this point. —Dinoguy100019:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Re:Categorization of anime and manga year categories
Hello, I've just updated Template:Manga by decade category header and Template:Anime by decade category header to automatically categorize the transcluded categories into Category:Manga by decade of first release, Category:Anime by decade of first release, Category:Manga by year of first release, and Category:Anime by year of first release in response to your recent work doing so manually (well, using AWB). I was wondering if you could now remove these categories from the manga and anime by year categories, since the template now automatically categorizes them? Thanks in advance! —Dinoguy1000 20:57, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
On second glance, the "by year" categories will have minor sorting issues if the template is used as is. They would all sort under "M," and would not necessarily be in the correct order. --EliyakT·C03:44, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... those issues should be easy enough to fix. Let me have a look at the templates' source and do something with the sortkeys (actually, this may be a good time to deploy a different parameter format for inputting the year, similar to {{Bookyr}}, which would greatly simplify the template coding... if I did this, could you make an AWB run to update all the transclusions for me?). —Dinoguy100018:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, now that I think on it more, I should be able to consolidate both templates into one and make it automatically include several categories and the message stating what the category covers. I'll have to start a sandbox for it, though... —Dinoguy100017:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I might poke around there for inspiration, but I'll probably do most of the work off the top of my head. Hopefully, I'll have something cooked up that's functional and ready to be deployed tonight. 「ダイノガイ千？！」05:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The reason I pointed to that category is that I thought there might be a generic template that does what you are looking for. {{WorksYearHeader}} and {{Cat topic in year}} are close, but the syntax is a little off. If you can't find a generic, why not create one? Yours is already close. --EliyakT·C17:04, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for generic templates wherever possible. However, in this case, I don't think there are any generic templates that can handle these categories, because of how they are tied together. I know mine is quite close to being a generic template, I intentionally design my templates (and programs, when I feel like hacking around on my graphing calculator) to be as general as feasible. It would be quite simple to further generalize my template to work with most of the cases on Wikipedia, but I'm not sure if allowing navigation between centuries (and millenia, for extreme cases) would be so simple without implementing additional parameters. In any case, I'm only worried about my template working for its intended use, I can work on generalizing it further (or retooling one of the existing metatemplates) later. BTW, I just invited User:Nihonjoe to have a look at the new template and comment here; he's previously asked for my assistance on these templates. 「ダイノガイ千？！」20:47, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This looks good to me. Will you create a doc page describing the variables which need to be set? That will allow for better evaluation of the template, IMO. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe00:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
More likely, I'll just document it directly on the template, just as the current ones do, because I'm helplessly lazy. XD However, I've got a couple of thoughts before deployment (though these could wait till afterwards to be addressed): How are we going to handle the eventual creation of Category:Anime of the 2010s and Category:Manga of the 2010s in the decade row (the year row can already handle 2010 and beyond), and should we link to Category:Anime (year of release missing) and Category:Manga (year of release missing) (and if so, how should we link (I was actually thinking something along the lines of "Missing year of release:Manga - Anime"))? I had another thought or two, but I forgot overnight... Oh well. 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)18:22, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think your idea for the missing year links is good. Just put it below the Decades section, and you could even have a switch which only shows the appropriate one, based on if someone entered "Manga" or "Anime" into the template. I've made comments over on the template talk page, too. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe02:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, considering the (small) amount of space it would take up, I don't see why we couldn't leave both links in... And perhaps it might work on the same row as the "see also" link? 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)18:18, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Barring the above issues (which are trivial at the moment), the template is ready to be deployed, so I went ahead and moved it to Template:Animanga by year category header. I would appreciate it if you could notify me of any categories, interwiki links, or text on the categories that are not inserted by the template (that would actually be any interwiki links since the template doesn't insert any, but it would still be nice to have a census of what categories have them). 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)23:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting... but, truth be told, I'd rather actually watch the episodes. I'm gonna have to save up some money to buy the DVD box sets and then have a little marathon... ^_^ —Dinoguy100018:43, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In response to your "Chronicles of the Curse Sword" message...
Since Madman Entertainment publishes plenty of manwha and OEL as well as manga, I propose that the current category be renamed "Madman Entertainment manga, manwha and OEL". In fact, I'd do it myself if I knew how. What do you think?
Mark Lungo (talk) 01:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)Mark Lungo[reply]
Nope, that won't work. Manga and manwha are too different from each other (and, but the same token, so is MIC) for a single category to cover them all. However, if there is a sufficient number of manhwa and MIC titles, you could create individual "Madman Entertainment manhwa" and "Madman Entertainment OEL manga" categories (you may want to ask about that last name). Could you give me (or point me to) a list of manhwa and MIC series that Madman has licensed and that have their own articles? —Dinoguy100017:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry about your response speed, I've been plenty busy lately with some other projects. That's bad to hear about them making no distinction between manga, manhwa, and MIC (that's [manga|manhwa|manhua]-influenced comics, by the way, a more generic, source- and language-neutral term for OEL manga), but not particularly surprising. I'll try to get a ballpark figure when I have some time, more than likely the creation of one or more additional categories may be justified. In addition, a List of Madman Entertainment publications may need to be created, similar to List of Tokyopop publications. 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)00:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you can start them if you want... All that's really necessary is more than about 5 articles to put in them (more than 10 or 15 would be even better ;) ). 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)18:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
RE: Talk:List of InuYasha episodes
Sorry, I hadn't noticed the change, but it isn't really split, they just made more pages and put the descriptions of the episodes there. That's why I didn't notice. --IdLoveOne (talk) 04:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~popping in~ That is what is meant by splitting an episode list here. A set of episodes is moved to a separate list with its own introduction, while the main list has just the bare facts (titles, airdates, etc), an overall lead, and links off to the individual lists. -- Collectonian (talk·contribs) 05:04, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(partly answering to test new sig ;P ) Thanks for the explanation, Collectonian. I'm curious to know what your definition of a split is, IdLoveOne... 「ダイノガイ千？！」05:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
re:signature
Writing Dinoguy1000 in Japanese would probably be "ダイノガイ１０００／千" (You can use the Arabic numerals, or the Kanji for 1000). The way you have it would be pronounced "Deenoguy Sen"which I believe is not the wanted pronunciation. Happy New-Year! moocowsrule(Talk to Moo)23:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, how is it now? If I'm right, the kana you provided would result in a pronunciation of Da-i-no-guy (or gai, what I was aiming for), which is how I wanted it to work out. 「ダイノガイ千？！」20:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, considering (at least to my ear) there's no significant difference between "dai" and "die", yup. (BTW, did my own sig change spur yours, or are you just playing around with it more? ;) ) 「ダイノガイ千？！」21:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Gah, you would have to say that, considering my sig is already as long as is permitted by the field... =P XD I guess I'll just cut the explicit blue color from ダイノ, since blue is the default link color anyways (but then I'll end up with the purple "visited" color T~T )... 「ダイノガイ千？！」18:12, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ikki Tousen recently got moved to Ikki Tōsen by a newer user, and then he just copied and pasted all the stuff into the other Ikki Tousen page after I told him his mistake... And now we need someone who will merge the old pages history into the new pages history, or delete the page, and like I dunno. Something D: モーモー?talk to moo20:03, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD< BIG goof-up. I moved Ikki Tousen to Battle Vixens under the impression that that article was about the manga which turned into the anime, but it appears that that article is about the anime which was from the manga? I dunno, but I messed up D: モーモー?talk to moo20:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nah, your move was valid, though I personally would have waited until the improper move got resolved. In any case, the primary media is the manga, therefore the article needs to be rewritten to focus on it primarily. 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)20:33, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Eh? You mean you're not a girl? Sorry then, that would be my bad... You just always struck me as female (don't feel too bad, I mistook Collectonian for a guy for awhile (something that many people seem to do)). DX ROFLMFAO XD「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)20:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It may be something you want to point out on your userpage somewhere, so you have something to point to in the future. 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)21:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, the talk page is still located at Talk:Ikki Tōsen... I tried to move it, but evidently, Talk:Battle Vixens has some history beyond a redirect, and the server screwiness today is seriously hampering my attempts to investigate (I just get a "This page has no history" message). 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)20:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I saw your name translation page on Jimbo's. I added a some ancient greek to yours, which is the only language that I know very well. My knowledge of several other languages is limited (I could certainly write your name in hieroglyphics, for example, though I doubt that I could puzzle out "Hello, my name is" in Egyptian). If I get a chance in the next few days, I'll might add a little more...hopefully someone else can fill in the rest. Cheers, SU Linguist (talk) 23:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, add anything you want. ;) If you're not sure about how to say "Hi, my name is" in a certain language, you can just transcribe/translate my name, and add a hidden note stating that it's only my name written out. 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)18:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I reverted your removal of the link, since I believe it will make it much much easier to navigate for people interested only in recent developments of the live action project and not the whole Robotech article, which is very long I must add.Kronnang Dunn (talk) 09:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I can understand why you think this, but it's ultimately an issue with the Robotech article (which needs a massive overhaul, BTW) and not the navbox. Section links are never put in animanga series navboxes, regardless of the reason. In addition, the link you've been adding is improperly escaped for a link between pages - it should be [[Robotech#Live-action film (proposed)|Robotech Live-Action Film]], not [[Robotech#Live-action_film_.28proposed.29|Robotech Live-Action Film]]. 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)18:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
thx for your editing. Well i would like to type sinopsys for each chapter. And some unnumbered because in my manga version, there a chapter that's not shown on English (US) version. --Landavia (talk) 16:04, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... are you talking about the edits I made last June, or perhaps about List of Maison Ikkoku chapters? We don't have per-chapter synopses here, we do them for each volume. Which manga version do you have? I only have limited access to part of the series, so there's only so much I can do... One last thing, just out of curiosity, is English your native language? 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)18:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure it was the same user (a new one), at the same time... In any case, some guidance is certainly justified. Thanks for taking care of this, in any case. 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)07:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Twinkle help
Hey Dinoguy -
You were very helpful back when I made a bug report (which turned out not to be a bug report) about how I could not use twinkle without it adding all the pages i touched to my watchlist. I was wondering if you could just finish that thought, because I can't find any good documentation on this. I've added importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js') to my monobook.js file... but how can I now configure Twinkle's behavior? Whenever I simply add all the fields Twinkle does crazy things.. like not be able to CSD anymore. Thanks so much for the help. FlyingToaster09:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm not really sure how much help I can be, since I use Twinkle via the gadget myself... Forgive me for asking the obvious, but have you read through the settings documentation yet? It could probably help you more than I could. If I recall correctly, there have also been similar discussions on WT:TW or WT:TW/BUGS, you may want to glance through the archives and see if you can find anything. 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)18:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the heads-up... It's an interesting idea, but like most people, I don't feel particularly strongly about it (though that's probably mostly because I don't run any bots, I don't normally deal with ENGVAR issues, and WP:ANIME has a preferred date format anyways). 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)18:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... That's actually a pretty good question. If I recall correctly, when I originally looked at the list, I missed the links out to the season subpages, and the tables looked like normal tables without episode summaries - I also missed the alternating row colors. In short, I completely screwed up (looked for a link for that, but couldn't find one that's appropriate). >_< Feel free to correctly reassess the list as list-class. 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)18:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I may do one of the lead if I have time, but I don't usually venture into plot summaries, and doubly so here, since I just started reading the manga (don't want spoiled, and all that...). ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)20:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, don't worry about it... The episode summaries are the issue at hand. Enjoy the manga and let me know how it is (as I've only seen the anime)! NOCTURNENOIR( m • t • c )20:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Will do (though I'm actually starting out with the novel)... Sorry I couldn't be of more help, but if it's any consolation, I have been planning to do work on the chapter list (which is what I specialize in anyways). ^_^ 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)21:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Haha, sounds good! If I was willing to spend more time with this anime, I'd work to get this into a Featured Topic after you did your chapter list, but I think I need a break from this one... It's too... chipper... NOCTURNENOIR( m • t • c )21:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I don't know about FL, but I do know how to ratchet up the general quality of chapter lists (it's not that hard, really, depending on the publishers - I love working on stuff from Kodansha, Viz Media, and Del Rey Manga, but Tokyopop, on the other hand...). 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)21:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I assume you're talking about this diff, in which case I got a bit carried away cutting banners that were redundant to the animanga banner (in addition to not being overly familiar with the series). On a semi-related note, just what is the difference between a novel and a light novel? Looking over their articles wasn't very revealing for me, and I don't think I've ever seen the difference clearly stated. --Dinoguy1000 as 66.116.24.177 (talk) 23:42, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, cool. Is there any general rule-of-thumb that can be used to tell the difference when you're looking at one (or does the difference actually even matter that much, even to the animanga project or the novels project)? And back to the original conversation, this would mean that if a franchise started out as a non-anime television show or non-manga comic, it should be tagged with the TVproj or Comicsproj banner, respectively, right? 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000)18:08, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You can tell which novels are "light" by their publisher (Category:Light novel labels). Most people tell light novels apart from regular novels because the books usually have "manga-styled" picture inserts.
About the banners: I think you got it. All TV shows fall within the scope of WP:TV and all comics fall within the scope of WP:COMICS. Manga titles aren't usually tagged with WP:COMICS' banner because WP:MANGA is sort of an offspring of WP:COMICS, making the Comics banner redundant.--Nohansen (talk) 19:38, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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