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"and became the fastest selling album in Australia for 2008.[70]"

I'm pretty sure it (Death Magnetic) got surpassed by AC/DC's Black Ice album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.234.3.103 (talk) 07:44, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

That night on the bus/Burton's death

>>On September 27, 1986, during the European leg of Metallica's Damage Inc. tour, members drew cards to see which bunk of the tour bus they would sleep in. Burton won and chose to sleep in Hammett's bunk.

Burton chose the Ace of Spades as the card that won, which is odd cause that card is a death card.

Recent Vandalism

Is this page going to stay on lockdown because of the vandalism, or will it eventually unlock? I think the vandalism was unneeded and if it's always continuing then the page should stay, but I just wanted to know because I had a contribution.--Scott Greenstone (talk) 15:46, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Does Bob Rock count as a member?

He wrote and performed on all songs on St. Anger. Many bands have a member as a producer, Jimmy Page was the producer for Led Zeppelin. Does writing and playing music make someone a member or do you need more than that? Pwr.max (talk) 01:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd say he is since he contributed both in lyrical content and played bass on the whole entire St. Anger album. --Slyder Pilot 12:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

No, Bob Rock was never even a temporary member, more of a stopgap to fill in on St. Anger until a new bassist was found. He didn't even play 100% of the bass parts on the album, James Hetfield recorded bass for a few songs too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.141.77.130 (talk) 16:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC) scddhghhkxc bnfghgf ghhk hjfg n —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.164.55.146 (talk) 04:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

New picture needed

I think the picture should be changed to another picture so people could see band members' faces.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathmagnetic08 (talk • contribs) 09:24, 18 June 2008 (UTC) 

The chances that someone gets a front row seat at a concert AND has a good camera AND is a Wikipedia contributor aren't very high. Pwr.max (talk) 01:42, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Albums Sold

Metallica has sold more than 100 million records, not 95, should fix that mistake, www.missionmetallica.com showed a video with their sales.

http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=QPojwWMAPBk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.200.212.182 (talk) 13:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

For the record, at least one site cites Metallica's worldwide album sales as more than 200 million. But that's twice as high as any other reference I've seen, so I didn't think it was reliable enough to add.--Foolishgrunt (talk) 01:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

metallica's own site says the sold more than 100 mill —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slapyy (talk • contribs) 14:31, 15 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.81.232.225 (talk)

Progressive?

Would ...And Justice for All (and, to a lesser extent, Master of Puppets) qualify Metallica as progressive metal? As far as I can tell, the qualifying features of progressive metal are odd time signatures and complex, multilayered arrangements--both of which are very present. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.101.234.25 (talk) 23:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

"One" has surely a prog touch, and yes, the anothers have quite a influence. But I don't think this can be put as a genre unless you come with a reliable source due to the fact Metallica is rarely described as progressive. Haxxiy (talk) 16:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Although a keyboard player isn't a requirement for progressive metal, it tends to separate many progressive metal bands from heavy metal. Pwr.max (talk) 19:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Fix

"McGovney and Mustaine were later ejected from the band, in favor of Cliff Burton and Kirk Hammett, respectively." Mustaine was ousted before they found Hammett. He wasnt ousted in favor of Hammett. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WayneS1324 (talk • contribs) 15:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Mustaine was really one of the first guitarists. The actuall original guitarist's name was Lloyd Grant (he help with Hit The Lights on thier demo album Metal Massacare) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.175.208.141 (talk) 18:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Done. --Crazy4metallica (talk) 02:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

status

If their grammy award-winning status is added to the first paragraph, then that sentence also needs to include mention of their draconian stance on internet file sharing, and mention of the heavy criticism they continue to garner for this stance. 71.193.209.196 (talk) 18:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)Anonymous, 12/19/2007

The Grammy Awards are mentioned in the third paragraph so no need to say it in the first. M3tal H3ad (talk) 03:54, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree.. change it to the first sentance. You look others bands' pages, they have it listed that they are a grammy award winning band if they did winan award. January 3, 2008 10:45 PM --random user

Thrash metal?

The March edition of German Metal Hammer is dedicated to the birth of Thrash in 1983, and has James and Kerry King on the cover. Both Slayer and Metallica are identified as the two bands who made Thrash explode, although it is concluded that Exodus did already play this kind of music before Metallica - or Slayer. In the pages dedicated to Thrash in that issue, famous personalities of the Thrash movement are asked about their favorite Thrash album, -"Kill'em All" or Show "No Mercy". I will just cite some (p)references:

- Mille Petroza (Kreator) : Kill'em All
- Schmier (Destruction): Kill'em All
- Scott Ian (Anthrax) Kill'em All
- Eric Peterson (Testament): Kill'em All
- Gary Holt (Exodus): Kill'em All
- Tom Angelripper (Sodom): Kill'em All
- Cronos (Venom): Kill'em All

Now does that end the discussion if Metallica is Thrash or not, once and for all? I hope it does! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skehrkrow (talk • contribs) 15:05, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I have listened to many thrash metal bands i would never consider metallica thrash metal. Every time it is taken off it is added back again, and i need some support. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcrissxcrossx (talk • contribs) 18:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Uh, WTF!? No one has ever denied the fact that Metallica is thrash metal...Thats like saying Black Sabbath isn't metal. Yeah, on some albums Metallica has more of a melodic thrash sound, but they have always been thrash. On some albums they exhibit a groove metal sound and on some newer albums they even have a nu metal vibe, unfortunately. I'd definitely say they abandoned their roots, but there is no denying that metallica was thrash for most of their career till recently. They may not be as heavy as bands such as Destruction or earlier Slayer, but they're still thrash. Navnløs (talk) 23:34, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, there was no reason for me to write that, because not only is it no even an argument (everyone knows what metallica is) but after looking at some of your contribs I gotta a pretty good feeling you don't know much about metal in the first place. Navnløs (talk) 23:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Just about every book or webpage about thrash metal mentions Metallica as being a thrash band. It doesn't really matter if you don't think they're thrash, that's WP:POV. Many reliable sources say they are thrash. Funeral 23:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Navnløs (talk) 23:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Metallica's last 3 studio albums, we can debate if they're thrash. But in the 1980s they were thrash, and that's when they did all their best known (within the music industry at least) music (The Elfoid (talk) 19:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC))

St. Anger is the closest to thrash since The Black album (which is thrash), but Load and Reload are not thrash. They are still heavy metal but not really thrash. Skeeker _[Talk] 21:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

ARGH, I agree with everyone. Although, St. Anger still has a nu metal vibe to it in my opinion. Navnløs (talk) 21:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

NOOOOOOOOOOOO! Please do not list them as new metal, PLEASE! Skeeker _[Talk] 22:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Lol, relax man. Even if I wanted to add nu metal as a genre, theres a lot of people who wouldn't allow me, because they're too protective of this page. Why do you care that much about that anyways, though? Navnløs (talk) 22:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

nu metal is teh sucks, though...seriously. (sorry for this uncontributing comment) Navnløs (talk) 22:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I was half joking, I hate the label nu metal and most bands in it. I actually hate most labels. Did you know somebody made up Porn metal and Porn rap? How dumb is that? Skeeker _[Talk] 22:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, nu metal sucks. I don't really know how I feel about labels. As long as they are real and accurately apply to a band I'm fine with it I guess. Yeah porn-anything for a genre is dumb...most "porn metal" bands are usually just grindcore bands that talk about sex alot. It's a purely lyrical genre, and therefore, nonexistent. Navnløs (talk) 22:43, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Well all and all, Metallica is, was and always will be thrash in some respect or another, they began their career being thrash and that has put the title of thrash on them. weather some people like it or not.--Metal to the Max! 10:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Here the truth: Metallica created thrash with "Kill 'Em All". Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 02:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... isn't a point of thrash metal that's it's supposed to be a) fast and b) heavy? Metallica/Black Sabbath/Slayer are not heavy, they're rock bands at best. Ozzy Ozbourne is about as hardcore as the guy who sings in Hinder. Go listen to DevilDriver and Lamb Of God. 203.54.3.180 (talk) 23:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

They're all rock bands. Also, Metallica formed over 25 years ago; they were heavy as hell back then. Keep historical perspective in mind. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:53, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Nice discussion! So Metallica is not Thrash metal? That is true! Metallica is a typical hip hop band! So get some black metal with Bob Marley! And if you want some Deathcore, listen to James Brown! And Lamb of God is good too, if you like some country music!--Lykantrop ^(Talk) 13:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I dont know about you but metallica is a thrash metal band just look at the solo in blitzkrieg now if that isnt enough look at the distortion in one towards the middle to the end in my opinion metallica is the best band ever...... hip hop? hip hop? i dont know what song you listened to but is not hip hop —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.234.100.155 (talk) 18:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!! Very nice one! But - actually - it is confusing if you are talking serious or not...--Lykantrop ^(Talk) 11:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

In response to the writer above that typed Metallica/Black Sabbath/Slayer are not heavy, I think you are a little confused. Metallica for it's time was pretty heavy. Their old music even in today's time has some bite. Black Sabbath wasn't in this discussion of thrash because Black Sabbath has never been called thrash. But again, they were heavy for there time. And Slayer, are you serious? Not heavy? Listen to the album "Reign in Blood" and if you think it is not heavy you need your hearing checked; and that album came out in '86. Even Slayer's oldest music make modern "metal" bands run in fear. Lamb of God is heavy, I won't argue that (they're actually my current favorite band), but they are on par with Slayer and are actually very influenced by them. And the comment about Ozzy being as hardcore as the guy from Hinder...WTF? A guy that sings "coming from the lips of an angel" is on the level with a guy that bites heads off of doves and bats at concerts? I think your perception of reality is a little distorted there buddy. And to Lykantrop: don't worry I actually got your joke and it was funny! Feral Mind (talk) 17:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, guys, why do you refuse to accept the fact that Metallica just isn't as heavy as they were back then in the 80's? They were great, yes, they were Thrash, but they aren't anymore. Now they're just radio music. Compare them to Overkill, Testament, Holy Moses and you'll see how "soft" they sound compared to these Thrashers. Bands change, so did Metallica. They aren't Thrash Metal anymore, period. Consider them radio music or Hard Rock, but not Thrash. Given their Legacy as Thrash Kings that doesn't mean that everything they come up with NOW is Thrash. 1stLtLombardi (talk) 11:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Adam9393 (talk) 01:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC) Metallica is Thrash Metal, I don't care what anyone has to say. Yes, they may have changed their style over the years and may not be as heavy as other Thrash bands that are around, but they are still considered Thrash and always have been considered thrash because they still sound like thrash and always have sounded like thrash, just a bit slower and more melodic than they used to sound, but that doesn't mean they're not Thrash anymore just because they don't play fast and wild like they did in the 1980s. As long as the vast majority of their music still has that Thrash Metal like sound to it (which it still does), then they're still considered a Thrash band. Now this should end the discussion on whether or not Metallica is Thrash Metal because I basically just explained it all. Now, whoever keeps changing the Genre from Thrash Metal to Heavy Metal, stop and leave it at Thrash Metal once and for all.

Evile is Thrash :D — ᚹᚩᛞᛖᚾᚻᛖᛚᛗ (talk) 04:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Rumours ....

Remove those rumours about new album from the friend of Metallica members. It has no place in encyclopedia.

78.1.123.173 (talk) 09:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

WAHHHHH WAAHHHHHHH WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH! Boo Hoo. have a sook. you will probably never even go back on this page anyway. --Metal to the Max! 10:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Metal, please see WP:CIVIL. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 19:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry haha, woooops. I wasnt making any personal attack buddy, but i mean come on, some people are here to contribute and this joker just makes his little refference and he's not even a member. --Metal to the Max! 11:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I wasnt making any personal attack buddy

this joker

Nice way to contradict yourself. Feel free to go cry to a mod since you have no proper comeback. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.190.104 (talk) 04:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC) metallica is thrash metal

is that last bit really worth it??

I mean iall it is, is some guys opinion and quote on one particular song, who cares, is does not do much for Metallicas Bio now does it. If i just made a small artical about my opinion on Master of Puppets then its not really the way to go. just take this in consitteration.--Metal to the Max! 10:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Metallica USED to be a heavy metal band. They are a blend of country, soft rock and metal now...hardly Heavy Metal.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.170.200.123 (talk) 06:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Are you insane? St. Anger was Heavy Metal, not Trash, but Metal. James' did one country performance, a song. They aren't Country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.219.42.58 (talk) 04:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Backstage rumours

There have been rumours that whilst the band were going through a fairly drug induced phase in their career they experimented in their sexuality and adhered to the more masculine groupies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.177.184 (talk) 00:30, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

"Tragedy strikes Metallica"

That sounds way too dramatic for Wikipedia, in my opinion. Should we change it to "Death of Cliff Burton"? Thoughts? Master of Puppets ^{Care to share?} 06:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Changing. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 19:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That sounds better, as you said, Tragedy is a little much for wikipedia.--Metal to the Max! 09:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

GA Review

I'm placing this on GA Hold for seven days because the article needs more in-line citations. For example, these five sentences are unsourced. Where did this info come from?

Ulrich talked to his friend Ron Quintana, who was brainstorming names for a fanzine. Quintana had proposed the names "Metal Mania" and "Metallica". Convincing him to use "Metal Mania", Ulrich used Metallica for the name of his band. A second advertisement was placed in The Recycler for a position as lead guitarist. Dave Mustaine answered, and after seeing his expensive guitar equipment, Ulrich and Hetfield recruited him.

Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 23:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure about this but I'm pretty sure I read that quote in Sound of the Beast: The Complete Headbanging History of Heavy Metal by Ian Christe. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 23:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

The references are at the end of the paragraph,[1] i didn't want to have every sentence like this,[1] with the same reference being repeated.[1] M3tal H3ad (talk) 01:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

That section is referenced; however, anyone feel like getting this 'Sound of the Beast' book to reference from it? I can take a trip to the library if need be. Master of Puppets ^{Care to share?} 01:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

That would be great if you could. M3tal H3ad (talk) 01:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'll phone around. Master of Puppets ^{Care to share?} 02:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Add some "fact" tags if there's anything else I need to source with the Christe book right now. WesleyDodds (talk) 05:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I should point out that that book is not all correct, although many people around wikipedia use it as a source. The sections about Metallica are fine, though. Ian Christe just get a few genres totally wrong. He gets the power metal genre totally fucked up, and he makes the speed metal genre pretty much the same thing as the thrash genre. Other than that the book seems mostly accurate, although he sometimes mentions a band in the wrong genre. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 18:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The parts about Metallica are the only relevant parts right now anyways. Anyway, as far as I know I'm the only active editor with the book. WesleyDodds (talk) 19:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Everything is sourced.. M3tal H3ad (talk) 01:44, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

My public library didn't have it, and it would take weeks to order, though I see that WesleyDodds has it under control... Master of Puppets ^{Care to share?} 07:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I have the book as well, but I'll leave wesleydodds to it. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 18:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not in the book, so the source used should stand. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Conclusion

GA Pass. I think it satisfies the criteria at Wikipedia:What is a good article?. I enjoyed reading it and laughed at how often 'guitar technician John Marshall' would have to fill in - you should make a section just for him. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 16:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Look, if you're going to Semi-Protect

Make sure there's not a fucking mistake in the second paragraph. And I'd love to fix it, but I can't. "Metallica rose to fame with its 1991 Metallica album, and critics say the 1986 release Master of Puppets is one of the most influential and "heaviest" thrash metal albums. The ba..." They rose to fame with their 1981 album, self-titled Metallica. Please, for the love of God and Metallica, fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.0.200 (talk) 15:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Ummm the only thing they had released in 1981 is demos. Metallica was released in 1991, thanks for your useful comment :) M3tal H3ad (talk) 02:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure it was locked for good reason and good faith, and if that stops unregistered users from fixing mistakes (which in this instance, isn't the case) then that's an unfortunate side effect as errors are never taken into consideration when they're protected. Rehevkor (talk) 00:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

What error are you talking about? M3tal H3ad (talk) 05:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, MOP was the album that made Metallica a worldwide band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.59.203 (talk) 13:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Replacement Rhythm Guitarist

During that show in Montreal when James got burned they got a replacement rythem guitarist. Why don't they mention him? Loydd Grant didn't do anything ad they mention him. Scorpio777 (talk) 23:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)Scorpio666

You mean John Marshall... Him and the Montreal Incident are both mentioned in the Metallica 1990-1993 section. Funeral 00:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

If John is mentioned in the Montreal Incident, should we mention Flemming too, replacing Lars during Download Festival 2003? Oh, I also changed the title of this section to "Rythm" instead of "Rythem". --Skehrkrow (talk) 13:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Lloyd Grant was never in Metallica, he should be removed from the band members.

Wrong, he played on the Hit The Lights demo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.224.163 (talk) 04:32, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Lead section

The lead section of this article is too long, does not immediately establish notability (although that is certainly not in question!), and duplicates much of the content in the history section. It should focus on why Metallica is such a popular and influential band and leave the history to later sections in the article. Get the TOC above the fold! Steve Carlson^Talk 01:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

• WP:LEAD states four paragraphs for an article this size is fine
• Mentioning selling 90 million albums is not notable?
• The lead summarizes the article so information will be duplicated.
• and your version of the lead would be..? M3tal H3ad (talk) 03:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

But why doesn't it have a single source? From WP:LEAD: "[The lead] should be carefully sourced as appropriate". Can't understand how this article has FA status with this kind of blunder. Grinder0-0 (talk) 17:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

It is sourced in the body. M3tal H3ad (talk) 04:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Hardly an excuse for not having a single source in its lead. "[-]there is not, however, an exception to citation requirements specific to leads" - WP:LEAD. Grinder0-0 (talk) 11:42, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I have sourced the sales figures. M3tal H3ad (talk) 03:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

loyld grant was in metallica he helped them get where they r to daoy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Libertheme (talk • contribs) 01:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Lloyd Grant

LOLLYD GRANT WAS NEVER IN METALLICA, HE PLAYED AS A TEMP ON THE METAL MASSACRE DEMO AND HIS SOLOS WERE LATER REMOVED AND REPLACED BY DAVE MUSTAINES, TAKE HIM OFF THE LIST!!!! He never recorded and album, never performed on stage just played two solos on a demo... he is not worth mentioning... Bob Rock is more of an ex-member of the band... he has written songs, recorded and produced with the band as well as playing live with them! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.59.203 (talk) 16:17, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Dear GOD, man. Calm down. Please? The liner notes for Garage Inc. list him as having been the lead guitarist for a time. Therefore, you have nothing. As for Bob Rock, he played because they didn't have a bassist at the time, and when they signed Rob Trujillo, Rob took over. Please, chill. ElimRawne (talk) 03:05, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

• I agree with the shouter above: Grant was never a member of the band in the way James, Lars, Kirk, or any of the others were. The liner notes are simply wrong, or were written in such a way as to make things sound more interesting than they really were (see also the bit in those same notes about the existence of ban on cover songs in LA clubs in the 80s, a ban which Metallica was able to circumvent because their covers were so obscure. Neat story, except no such ban ever existed). Everything else you can find about this situation will strongly indicate that it's a wrong-headed idea to consider Grant a real member

. Pillsbur (talk) 17:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Grant only played two guitar solos on a DEMO, he never recorded, toured or is considered a member by any valid source. The Garage Inc insert is describing when they started out, but Grant only worked with Metallica for ONE DAY. This in my view is not enough to make him a a member of the band, his solos were not even used and were replaced by Dave Mustaines. So his contribution to Metallica is ZERO. Why is he still on there? If Grant is on there then surely Marshall should be as he actaully worked with Metallica and played live with them! Maybe you could get real silly and post every person who has guested alongside them over the past 30 years as well. You wouldnt, thats why Grant should go. Hes a bass player by proffesion anyways.

Bob Rock on the other hand produced every album in the 1990s early 00s, toured and played live with the band and recorded an album with songs he is credited for writing,so has a solid case to be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.59.203 (talk) 14:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Agree, remove Grant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.59.203 (talk) 16:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think Grant was ever a member either, however does deserve a mention within the text. —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 22:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

There are multiple errors with Lloyd Grant's tenure in Metallica. For starters, he wasn't the original lead guitarist in Metallica. Dave Mustaine was the original lead guitarist (http://www.metallicaworld.co.uk/dave_mustaine.htm), and wasn't present for the recording "Hit the Lights" due to prior obligations with another band. So basically he SHOULD be removed form the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.59.203 (talk) 11:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I read an interview with Lars Ulrich (just after Lloyd Grant's new band DefCon released a demo) in which he claimed that Grant was a member of Metallica, but possibly prior to the band adopting the name Metallica. He further claimed that Grant was dropped from the band because it was hard to get heavy metal gigs with a black guitarist. (This was in Metal Forces magazine from sometime in the 'eighties). So the story that he was just hired as a one-shot deal to do the solo on Hit The Lights isn't as cut and dried as it seems.Revmagpie (talk) 03:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

According to Ron McGovney in an interview from So What! club magazine, Lloyd just came over once to put down his solos, nothing more than a service to his buddy Lars. If this is true, he was just there once to help out, sort of a session musician. If that qualifies him, Marianne Faithful should be listed as band member too, just like the dozens of classic musicians who put down the string tracks on NEM. Get the point?--Skehrkrow (talk) 22:10, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Congrats on bringing this article to FA-status. Medieval Man 03:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :) M3tal H3ad (talk) 03:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Mark Turczak?

I don't know about you guys, but I've read Metallica's autobiography, been a fan for as long as I can remember and can recall most of their history pretty well, but how come I've never heard of the name Mark Turczak? It's mentioned in the first paragraph that he was the first bassist and got kicked out for being gay... or something weird. Never heard of it - don't believe it. Either someone prove me wrong or that's just not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Archoran (talk • contribs) 21:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

It appears to be simply vandalism. CloudNine (talk) 22:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Newsted hazing

I dont understand this statement: "Newsted's bass was purposely turned down on the album as a part of the continuous "hazing" he received, and his musical ideas were ignored." in the ...And Justice for All (1988–1990) section. It has "Some Kind of Monster feature film" as a source, but I didnt take a note about anything like this in the film. There is nothing about any hazing of Newsted in 1988-1990. Has anybody an explanation?--Lykantrop ^(Talk) 13:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

My bad, used the wrong source. It's corrected now with the Playboy interview. M3tal H3ad (talk) 01:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

The bass being turned down was not part of the hazing, it was more an effort to keep the bass more under control, get it to follow the drums. Lars Ulrich stated this in an interview, Cliff would be out in space with his bass, so they put a foot on Jason right from the start to prevent this from happening again. I am affirmative about this, unfortunately I no longer have the mag, and can't quote exactly when and where he said it. So just take this as an unconfirmed additional info to the "no bass on Justice issue". --Skehrkrow (talk) 13:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Not to mention that they simply were unhappy with overall production/engineering of the album and the bass-less sound they ended up with, which resulted in their "breakup" with longtime sound engineer Flemming Rasmussen. That was a major contributor to their decision to turn to Bob Rock for the next album. It's not like they intended Justice to eventually sound like that. I'd say that's "confirmed" considering they said so in roughly a million interviews since then. 91.33.248.205 (talk) 09:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

The Road Virus Heads North

No, its not a song title. It's Stephen King story which mentions a deranged Metallica fan heading home from a concert. I'm gonna go search the internet to see if i can find a reference. Or we could just say its in the book, Everythings Eventual. Whatever.♠Д narchistPig♠ (talk) 05:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Power Metal Demo????

How come Power Metal is listed? not even Metallica's website acknowledges that "demo" 205.118.119.223 (talk) 19:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

The albums' genre

• Kill 'Em All - Thrash/Speed Metal
• Ride The Lightning - Thrash Metal
• Master of Puppets - Thrash Metal
• ...And Justice For All - Thrash Metal
• Metallica - Heavy Metal
• Load - Hard Rock
• ReLoad - Hard Rock
• St. Anger - Nu Heavy Metal/Hard Rock - I'd say. Burningclean _[speak] 03:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

16:56, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Or we can just make them all "Heavy metal" for consistency. I did this with R.E.M., and just made all the album and song infoboxes just say "alternative rock". WesleyDodds (talk) 01:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't disagree with that. Thrash and speed are just heavy metal subgenres. The 2 albums that the user above identified as hard rock are more commonly identified in pro publications as heavy metal.(which they are) The strikeout "nu" comment is a bit of childishness that happens irregularly on Wikipedia where that album is concerned. The article itself has been in debate in the past and was only stabilized by the addition of 4 reliable sources that all say heavy metal (the article still appears to turn into a battle zone whenever those citations are removed so there seems to be no argument about the content as long as the citations stay in place) The only debate I could add in favour of one of the subgenres is that without Metallica's first 3 thrash albums the entire subgenre would have died a quick death. So the inclusion of thrash metal where those 3 albums are concerned is pretty concrete simply because of the "historical" element of it. What exactly prompted this post in the first place? On a quick reading it just looks like a random blog that belongs somewhere else other than Wikipedia. Wesley is there a previous debate on this that I have missed during my extended hiatus from the project? Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 01:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

It isn't "nu" just due to the fact that it has lower tuned guitars. That is what bugs me when people say that. Burningclean _[speak] 01:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Load and Reload are definitely heavy metal/hard rock and St.Anger has noting to do with hard rock. Else agreed. --  LYKANTROP  11:32, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

As long as nobody is able to show me a verifiable list of criteria by which to classify music into genres, this whole debate is a moot point. I'd just put them into the metal category. Because if you start arguing the finer points of music, you will never ever be able to get common ground: is Judas Priest metal? If yes, is Manowar metal? But both sound very different. King Diamond? Get my point? Besides, why all this thinking? This ain't philosophy 101, it's metal, so bang that head that doesn't bang, shut up and enjoy the music! ;)--Skehrkrow (talk) 22:15, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Burningclean _[speak] 22:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

St. Anger is definitely not Nu in any sense, it is more like alternative metal as you said. And changing the first 4 albums to "heavy metal" is stupid. Thrash metal has evolved on a different path than traditional heavy metal artists like Judas Priest. 21:14, 07 May 2008

st. anger is not nu. nu metal is more of grung fused with rapping(kind of).

Metallica's Influences

Just a thought, but it seems to me that listing Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin as the band's primary influences is misleading. While those bands certainly did influence Metallica, I think it'd be more useful to substitute the bands Metallica (by their own admission) imitated. According to the 'Garage Inc.' booklet, Metallica initially set out to be a combination of Diamond Head and Motorhead. Besides the above quote, this influence in immediately apparent to a greater degree than the influence of the three bands currently listed. I feel that this change will make that particular section more accurate. Thoughts? OlympicSharpshooter (talk) 05:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Guitar Hero: Metallica

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6191921.html It's pretty much confirmed. Should we add this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Insaneingus (talk • contribs) 01:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm thinking we should add Metallica's inclusion in Guitar Hero 3 under the "Legacy and Influence" section. I think it's key because this reflects Metallica's continuing legacy in media, beyond just the music they play. A note about it being one of the hard songs on the game would be nice as well =D —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scoobots (talk • contribs) 18:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Metal Church

i think you can add them at the "Associated Acts" bar... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.108.119.253 (talk) 09:35, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Update

"With over 95 million records sold worldwide, including 57 million in the United States" Metallica have sold over 100 million albums worldwide it even says on their website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SPIKE2402 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Usually wikipedia doesn't accept primary-source data. Haxxiy (talk) 18:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Guitar Hero: Metallica In 2009,Guitar Hero is set to realese a Guitar Hero: Metallica Special Edition video game for the xbox 360. No word yet if its going to be for another console. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brettx44 (talk • contribs) 19:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

What about the entire Death Magnetic album being downloadable for Guitar Hero? Where's news about them covering Iron Maiden for Kerrang! Death Magnetic box set? Latest concert info? Future plans? This is Wikipedia, where's the info? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.211.82.5 (talk) 21:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

BEFORE YOU REMOVE PROGRESSIVE METAL FROM THE GENRE LIST!

It should be noted that this one could be argued greatly. If you listen to thier first four albums, specifically Master of Puppets and ...And Justice for All they have alot of unique arrangements and don't really follow the typical flow of a song. I think the genre should stay. That is just my opinion. Burningclean _[speak] 08:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think progressive metal is a bad description of some of their stuff, but my opinion in most of these genre-arguments is the same - if you can cite the fact that reliable sources are calling them progressive metal, then there's no problem putting it in there. If not, it's original research and doesn't belong here. ~ mazca ^{t | c} 13:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

didnt metallica do a consert with slipknot?

Xskootafreek (talk) 15:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC)a little while ago slipknot and metallica were on stage together? is that included as an assosiated act if not dont worry about it.Xskootafreek (talk) 15:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

No, that doesn't make them an associated act. 65.189.210.173 (talk) 09:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Albums Sold

Metallica has sold more than 100 million records, not 95!!! 100 millions has sold!!!!

http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=QPojwWMAPBk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.200.212.182 (talk) 13:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

agreed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slapyy (talk • contribs) 08:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

So what? The Carpenters have sold more! 150 million! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.39.173.71 (talk) 20:59, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Bass Players and Guitar players

At the start, it says McGovney and Mustaine were later ejected from the band, in favor of Kirk Hammett and Cliff Burton, respectively. RESPECTIVELY. Needs to be changed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpob5 (talk • contribs) 05:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

• And what do you SUGGEST??-- Rockk3r Spit it Out! 06:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
  • It should be McGovney/Mustaine for Burton/Hammett or Mustaine/McGovney for Hammett/Burton or eliminate the word respectively.--Slyder Pilot 21:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually McGovney wasnt kicked out, he decided to leave due to problems with Dave. And Dave °″≈≥−§wasnt kicked out for Hammet, he got kicked out first then later on they got Hammet.°″≈≥−§ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.113.58.252 (talk) 19:12, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

uhhh no, in the Behind the Music documentary for Megadeth, James and Lars spent their time during the roadtrip to NY listenning to tapes trying to find their new lead. When they kicked Dave out the moment they got to New York, they had already called Kirk Hammett in to record. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.20.58 (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Maiden cover,Death in a coffin,second leg of the tour started

can someone add something about the Maiden cover,Death Magnetic Box set and second leg of the tour? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.229.150 (talk) 06:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Metallica formed in San Francisco, not LA

Please, edit the very first line of the article. It is a known fact that Metallica was formed in San Francisco. They moved to LA later on, having decided to get Cliff Burton on board, who was reluctant to leave Los Angeles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Artrage (talk • contribs) 20:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

• No, Metallica moved from L.A. to San Fransisco because Cliff didn't wanna go to L.A.. They even said "L.A. sucks!" in an interview on Cliff 'Em All. - Aphasia83 (talk) 20:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Disgruntled fan deletes whole page

I already reported this, but the immature fuck deleted it. Someone deleted the whole page, all the information, and replaced it with "Metallica are fucking sellouts". Could someone IP ban the person, and restore the information? PS. Whoever is doing it, you have no life, what so ever. PHX606

Heavy Metal?

Metallica are heavy metal, but that is an umbrella term for them. It should be thrash metal. I edited all of their albums to "by THRASH METAL band Metallica, but they were all changed to Heavy metal. Whoever is changing it has no idea what Metallica is. I'd suggest changing it to Thrash metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.103.218.17 (talk) 01:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Are Metallica, Load, Reload and St Anger thrash albums? As you say, heavy metal is a umbrella term, it best applies to the band as a whole. Rehevkor ✉ 02:39, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

But Metallica are a Thrash metal band, not a heavy metal band.

"Metallica's early releases included fast tempos, instrumentals, and aggressive musicianship that placed them as one of the "Big Four" of the thrash metal subgenre alongside Slayer, Megadeth and Anthrax."

I'm sorry, but Metallica have been anything but "metal" for a long time. I would simply call them a "rock" band, and a fairly mediocre one at that. I mean, after that whole Napster thing, talk about whiners. They should've been flattered that someone could be bothered to downloaded their s#*$. Even if they didn't agree with it, they certainly let themselves become the TOOLS of a record company. I know they were "harder" in their early years, probably hard rock or soft metal (say Mercury or Aluminium for instance) then they trended to hard rock, then rock, then pussy try hards". --Simonmetcalf (talk) 10:05, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Please note that says "Metallica's early releases". A band is not solely defined as the first genre they enter the industry with. If that were the case, Kid Rock would solely be a hip-hop artist, which I think we can agree is not the case. James25402 (talk) 09:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Let's clarify this with an example. Testament is a thrash metal band because they remained consistent in the thrash genre for over two decades. Metallica was only truly a thrash metal band for 5-8 years until the black album was released. From that point forward their music has been a clash of heavy metal and hard rock. While Death Magnetic certainly shows a much heavier and faster side of the band, it doesn't just cancel out all their previous releases leaving them strictly a thrash metal band. If information can't be 100% specfic, it's best to stick with an umbrella term. —Vanishdoom (talk) 10:41, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Hm, true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.103.218.17 (talk) 21:40, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

They have won awards for best Metal band. They should be Metal then. That Trashmetal band looks alot like Metallica. Metallica is so not Heavy Metal. There way softer then any other Heavy Metal band.80.126.126.44 (talk) 15:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Lloyd Grant-member

Lloyd Grant is a member.Did you read the book ``The truth about metallica``Binzisimpsons (talk) 06:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Take a gander at this link [1]: no mention of Lloyd Grant. --Slyder Pilot 12:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Wording not matching citations. FA status flimsy

Article needs a double check as some of the text has been altered away from the citations given to include whiny-boy weasel words, personal pov and bloated album sales. The junk in the lead-in about 'going alternative' and 'selling out' isn't backed up by referenced text within the article and, again, is poorly written weasel text. The article should have a double-check done on all the given refs to see that they support the text they are supposed to be supporting. A review of this articles "Featured" status can be requested to have a more thorough scrutiny of its citations done since, for now anyways, its FA status is jeopardised by these WP:AWW/WP:NPOV vios which do not have references meeting WP:RS criteria to support them. Libs 13:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Metallica's crusade against piracy

Why are there no direct mentions of Metallica's stand against piracy on this wiki page? I found only an obscure reference to Napster. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nincompoot (talk • contribs) 05:04, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Albums sold

There was a 100 million for a couple of weeks, now there's a 90 millions sold worldwide, because a user said that on the section "leagacy and Influence" there were only 90. I checked the citation -Tallica LP and Limb Biskit to the sanitarium- and there only says 85 millions, if no official citation is shown with an updated number, then 90 millions will be reduced to 85 millions, which is the only official citation found, not counting the one on YouTube which is not reliable at all. Rockk3r Spit it Out! 04:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The history behind the 85 to 90 is that if you check the date of the news release... it did not included sales for St Anger nor did it include the 1M increase noted by the RIAA for 2 other Metallica albums. These increases were discussed long ago and, at that time, it was a consensus decision that the band had legitimately sold at least 5M more albums since that press release so it was OK to post 90M on the main page because it was 85M + the agreed upon common sense mathematics. But since then no other legitmate reliable source has come along to allow us to increase the number beyond 90M.. although the page is trolled by many fanboys who try to balloon the sales because they are in love with the band. It won't be long before a legitimate 100M sales source comes along. But you are correct that the youtube video is not a reliable source. For worldwide sales there is no true/valid sales source. Especially in the article lead-in where it just reads like unencyclopedic peacocking. If we really strived to keep Wikipedia accyrate we wouldn't post that information at all. Even the list of best selling artists article is a crock of **** and one of the most embattled pages here. Wiki would be better of without it. The Real Libs-speak it 12:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

What is the debate over hard rock again?

It's in, it's out, it's in, it's out. Is it an offensive genre? Clearly it describes more than half of the output from the bands 3 90s era studio albums. If anything I would question speed metal. Not that they didn't play it. but it describes about half of Kill 'em All and then... that's it. After that its thrash - thrash - thrash - heavy metal/hard rock - hard rock/heavy metal - hard rock/heavy metal - heavy metal - whatever Death Magnetic is. No speed metal after the first album but never any debate over it... hard rock prominent over three straight studio albums and it keeps getting turfed??? What is the issue again?? The Real Libs-speak politely 21:42, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

So, should speed metal be at the end of their genres, because as you said -and I agree with you- they only did speed on the first album, an example of over-use on speed is on bands like Megadeth, Slayer, also Judas... but Tallica was main thrash, then heavy, then hard/heavy. (~ 10% was speed) Rockk3r Spit it Out! 06:07, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

The lead is too long

I think that the article could be covered on 3 paragraphs or 4 smaller ones, this lead is too long, the first one I see it unnecessary by mentioning the line-up changes which are perfectly covered throughout the whole article and on Metallica band members, this one could tell where they're from when the band was formed, and how many works have released to date (which appers on the last paragraph), this is the idea (Which needs improvement of course):

Metallica is an American heavy metal band that formed in 1981 in Template:City-state. The band has since released eight studio albums, two live albums, two EPs, twenty-two music videos, forty-two singles and has finished working on its upcoming ninth studio album, Death Magnetic.

Metallica's early releases included fast tempos, instrumentals, and aggressive musicianship that placed them as one of the "Big Four" of the thrash metal subgenre alongside Slayer, Megadeth and Anthrax. The band earned a growing fan base in the underground music community, and some critics say the 1986 release Master of Puppets is one of the most influential and "heavy" thrash metal albums. The band achieved substantial commercial success with its self-titled 1991 album, which debuted at number one on the Billboard 200. Some critics and fans believed the band changed its musical direction to appeal to the mainstream audience. With the release of Load in 1996, Metallica distanced itself from earlier releases in what has been described as "an almost alternative rock approach", and the band faced accusations of "selling out".

In 2000, Metallica was among several artists who filed a lawsuit against Napster for sharing the band's copyright-protected material for free without the band members' consent. A settlement was reached, and Napster became a pay-to-use service. Despite reaching number one on the Billboard 200, the release of St. Anger in 2003 disappointed some critics and fans with the exclusion of guitar solos, and the "steel-sounding" snare drum. A film titled Some Kind of Monster documented the recording process of St. Anger.

Metallica has become one of the most commercially successful and influential heavy metal acts. With 90 million records sold worldwide, including 57 million in the United States, the band has won seven Grammy Awards, and has had four albums peak at number one on the Billboard 200.

PD: The lead looks even larger next to the artist infobox template, seriously, this needs to be fixed up. Rockk3r Spit it Out! 04:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Sentence just trails off.....

In the Death Magnetic section the final sentence

"It is currently unconfirmed whether Metallica or Warner Bros. will be taking any action against the retailer, though drummer Lars Ulrich who has made such responses to the leak as, "…We're ten days from release. I mean, from here, we're golden. If this thing leaks all over the world today or tomorrow, happy days. Happy days. Trust me,"[65] and, "By 2008 standards, that's a victory. If you'd told me six months ago that our record wouldn't leak until 10 days out, I would have signed up for that."[66]"

contains the phrase "who has made such responses to the leak as..." as if there were more info after the quotations but when the clause is finished nothing else is said. This could be remedied by removing the word 'who'. I know I'm probably coming off like the grammar police but hopefully someone with a high school education knows what I'm talking about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.145.164.102 (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame news

Reading the news today, I knew this would come up . . .

Ok, the announcemnt that Metallica has been nominated for induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should not be included on this page. This is because artists can be nominated repeatedly (two notable examples are Black sabbath and the Stooges); this is just the shortlist until they pick the inductees for this year. Only include mention of their induction when they finally make it in to the Hall. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Internal link for a definition

Since this is an international site and not everyone is fluent in English i believe that the word SKIT, present in the section "Napster controversy (2000–2001)" more precisely in the 5th paragraph of that section should be linked to one of the pages - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sketch_comedy -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skit - or, if not, replaced by the word SKETCH which is more commonly know to define a comedy scene/act. Not truly a Metallica issue but, hey, my contribution to a great page. tx Mestrini (talk) 11:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Metallica?

I think that they are good enough and have a good enough article to have their own wikiproject. I mean, if Slipknot and Trivium get one, shouldn't the extremely influential Metallica? What does everyone else think? I don't know how to start a wikiproject.Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 19:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Panic (band)

I don't think Panic needs to be included on the associated acts, Exodus is way more related because Hammet's been the guitarist for more than 25 years or so. Panic does't have info about the band, it's not substantial enough either, i'll withdraw it, if anyone doesn't think it should be taken off, then please leave a {{tb}} template on my talkpage to let me knowabout it. Rockk3r Spit it Out! 04:32, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Where did it really start?

Watch this and then tell if Metallica started in San Fransisco or LA. Kirk Hammett get thrashed. Rockk3r Spit it Out! 04:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Hammett started out in Exodus, a San Francisco Thrash metal band (Which I'm sure you know about). Metallica started in LA and later moved to SF because of Hammett and the Glam scene in LA. AlanZhan (talk) 23:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Music Sample

There should be added a music sample from death magnetic in the section "musical style" to show the band's return to thrash metal. Rockk3r Spit it Out! 15:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Which song? I'll see what I can do. Harmanicus 17.07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

My Apocalypse maybe.--Deathmagnetic08 (talk) 19:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd say "Broken Beaten Scarred"- I think it shows more of the speed that is prevalent in that album. AlanZhan (talk) 01:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Five consecutive #1's

The lead states that Metallica is the only band to have five consecutive number one albums, but according to various Beatles album pages, Help, Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Peppers, and The Beatles were all number ones, and I have them as consecutive. Is it my mistake? If you count Magical Mystery Tour (arguments either way) that makes it six straight #1's. I say take out the assertion that Metallica is the only band to do so, because I'm sure others can be found. Kaiguy (talk) 06:34, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I just checked out Elton John. Honky Chateau through Rock of the Westies makes six consecutive Billboard #1's. Kaiguy (talk) 06:36, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Good catch. That last bit should probably go. The ref that's there doesn't really do anything either. --Bongwarrior (talk) 06:47, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I've removed it, but I left the ref that was there. --Bongwarrior (talk) 07:33, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Big question here though, did all of those albums DEBUT at number one?....Arch stanton1138 (talk) 16:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Just checked the Beatles albums, none of them debuted at number one...Arch stanton1138 (talk) 17:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

The Recycler and Metallica

Some book sources say the ad was place in 1980, not 1981. Any chance of getting a copy of the ad and the correct date of the advertisement? -- Suntag ☼ 14:53, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Complain, complain...

There's no shortage of people to help promote a rock or metal band's article to featured article status. Yet when I ask for even a little bit of help on a country music article, this place becomes a ghost town. Can someone please help me? It's impossible to write an FA all by yourself, you know... Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 21:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure there are people to help, but this isn't really the place to ask. Cheers, –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 22:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Metallica - The Golden Unplugged Album

Anyone have any info on this album? Here's a link to a site that has the cover, and track list. I just find it curious is all. Crash Underride 20:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say: bootleg. The photo is from Garage Inc. I believe, I've never heard of it myself either. Rehevkor ✉ 20:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Have to add this pic from the same time. [2] It's funny as crap!!!! Crash Underride 20:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

6 1/2 year live EP......

that looks like a bootleg to me, so a couple things come to mind.....a) should that be listed in the Metallica template?, and b)if it is a bootleg, should that article be deleted?.......Arch stanton1138 (talk) 16:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

"religious hypocrisy"?

Talking about having no basis. Leper Messiah might be able to be included in such a category, but that's it for Metallica. Wikipedia you've done it again! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.148.21 (talk) 00:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

I think that they should mention somewhere that Metallica was nominated to be inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame in 2009.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KronicAssault (talk • contribs) 16:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I think we should, do you happen to remember the place you saw that information so we can easily cite it?--Alf ^melmac 16:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

james hetfield picture

the picture of james hetfield should be changed to the picture currenty on his page

Echobrain in associated acts

Echobrain should be in that list. It's just like having Megdeth on there, Dave Mustain was able to start Megadeth because of his tenure in Metallica, and his tenure was only a year. Jason Newsted was able to start Echobrain also because of tenure in Metallica which lasted 14 years. I think that sounds fair. MiTfan3 (talk) 05:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Acoustic torture in Guantanamo - comments of the band

A list of songs used for acoustic torture in Guantanamo has recently been leaked. It includes "Enter Sandman" by Metallica. According to German newspaper 'tageszeitung' ('taz'), Metallica have approved this:

Die Gruppe ließ wissen, sie sei "stolz", am "Krieg gegen den Terror" teilnehmen zu dürfen.

The band declared they were "proud" to be allowed to take part in the "war on terror".

Any primary source for the exact statement? --JensMueller (talk) 22:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I looks rather sus to me, not that I can read German. This suggests the quote to be from 2004, the full quote from that link also seems to say Hetfield was suggesting Metallica was a death metal band.. I dunno. Rehevkor ✉ 03:14, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, just found this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/19/usa.guantanamo Rehevkor ✉ 03:16, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Metallica's Origin.

I have known of Metallica my whole 24 years. I grew up in the San Francisco bay area. From what I know of Metallica, their hometown is San Francisco. I just recently went to the Oakland show on December 20. They called it their hometown show. So I would like to see you guys change where they found the band, and their origin. Thank you.

Brad —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcrosat (talk • contribs) 20:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Everybody knows they formed in LA and moved to SF when they asked Cliff to join otherwise he would decline the invitation. --Slyder Pilot 16:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Why they're REALLY 'wusses'?

I'm a fan of Metallica so not here with some silly axe to grind, but perhaps someone writing the napster section did? The Wiki article claims 'In 2007, Metallica was named #17 on Blender magazine's list of "biggest wusses in rock" for its "anti-Napster crusade".' but if the author had bothered to check the actual cite you can see this is pretty blatently false. Here is a quote from the article mentioned above where they were ranked #17:

'The haircuts were lame and the anti-Napster crusade lamer, but neither prepared fans for the soppy bitchfest that was Some Kind of Monster: The once-throttling metalheads dropped $40K a month on a touchy-feely life coach in a Cosby sweater who played master to Metallica’s puppets'

Yes napster was mentioned, alongside a cute joke about haircuts, but it's pretty clear they were voted this way generally because of the aforementioned documentary, and more specifically for hiring a therapist. Lame or not, this simply isn't about napster, that was merely a segway to the actual comments and the line in the Wiki mentioned above is flat out incorrect.

At the very least it should be changed to reflect the true reasoning of the '#17 ranking', but seeing as how it would no longer fit with the discussion it was shoehorned into and there isn't exactly an expansive section about 'Some Kind of Monster' perhaps removing the false information is the only fix required. Honestly I'm not real sure what such a useless bit of trivia is here for except as a subtle jab at the band. I suppose that's fine if thats what is desired but at least let's make it honest shall we?

So a) correct the false info and move it to the section concerning the documentary and not napster where it simply does not belong b) take it out because some random websites countdown list doesn't really have much if any signifigance or c) leave blatently false information on the Wiki page becuase making fun of Lars/Napster is more interesting than the truth. I leave it to you folks.

Lamenick (talk) 06:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Addition to "Legacy & Influence"

The progressive metal group Dream Theater recorded a cover of the full "Master of Puppets" album- https://www.ytsejamrecords.com/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=7&idproduct=16

Tried to add it, but someone has this page protected and I'm not familiar enough to unprotect it to add a legitimate piece of information.

Jamrhein (talk) 23:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

hard rock?

how is metallica hard rock there thrash metal and speed metal (Seth4000 (talk) 14:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)) Seth4000

Black album, Load, ReLoad, Garage Inc., etc The Real Libs-speak politely 16:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)