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Why Does the China page get to brag but the India page doesn't?

A while ago I wanted to put some thing's down on India's page that was factual and giving credit to things that had to do with India. But I was told that it wasnt proper because basically it's like im just bragging about India, and this is about facts....so....I asked how come the China page gets to say nice things and the India page cant then? For example on the China page it get's to say thing's like China is one of the oldest civilazations, and how it was one of the leader in the world of arts, etc. etc.....but....if I want to say thing's like that regarding India, the rulers of Wikipedia won't let me.....and I was told the reason is, because, that India is an offical page, and China isn't. So now im asking has that changed? Is China an offical page? If so then someone please tell me why does the page on China get to say some nice things that elevate the country and can I please put down things of that nature for the India page then so here the and ? ? 71.105.87.54 (talk) 23:09, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since, according to you, the China page allows bragging, the easiest solution would be to brag about India on the China page. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:57, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Your suggesting POV pushing? Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 02:09, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
it ain't worth a dime replying to wiki-disneylanders. --CarTick 03:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I could give you examples of what I think should be added here, and it's actually pretty logical. But I get the feeling, judging from my history of dealing with you dictators and those of you like to "pick and choose here" , that your probably not going to read down everything I write, and if you do, you probably won't take it into consideration and / or give me logic.....I mean none of you have explained why it's ok to prep up China on it's article, but you can't allow that with India then. I mean would any of you people like examples on what I think can be added to this India page? ? 71.105.87.54 (talk) 22:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a question about being ok for China but not for India. Unwarranted promotion is not good for either article. If you think that the China article 'brags' in a way that is not suitably referenced, you should comment on the Talk:China page or just go ahead and boldly remove material that is unwarranted. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 02:37, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Even if I did that, isn't their a chance someone might just undo what I might do? And then if I kept doing it they might block me......anyway where is the consistency? If China is allowed to say things that might elevate it, which I dont neceessarily object to, why can't India then? If it's not ok for China why is it allowed? If it is ok for China, why can't India get it....I mean im not saying can I just lie and say India is great. But their are things that the dictators won't let me put, and it's not even that bad then. But they won't let me put it. If you want I can give you examples. So if I can't put things that I don't even think are that bad then, and someone might make it seem like I just want to brag about India then, which might be true, why does the article on China get to have thing's that might seem like it's being bragged about then so? Im not saying I necessarily object to what's on China's page . But it's a matter of consistency....for example....I can't put down how India has Aryan hertiage, which is true then. But China get have something like how it was a leader in the arts then? So I cant put something thats at least maybe somewhat true, but China can put something like that (which is ok then) but isn't that kind of a contradiction then? Kind of maybe then? Water then? 71.105.87.54 (talk) 03:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
ARYAN818, your posts are getting fouler and fouler, stop calling people dictators and perhaps take Fowler&fowler's advice. -SpacemanSpiff 03:50, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Dont feed the troll. It's pointless trying to make him understand anything because he has porved it four times on this talk page that he doesnt want to. And he isnt realy concerned about the article, ultimately all he cares about is the Aryan race and proving that it is supreme. For those of you who dont know User:Aryan818 was blocked because his username was offensive. 818 is the numerical for H-A-H: Heil Adolf Hitler. (Now watch as he says that 818 is his area code and not HAH ). So the next time this IP makes any edits, save yourself and others some trouble and revert his trolling. --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 04:45, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Althought, I don't agree with what this IP is saying, I do understand where he is coming from and it is a problem. There are many instances where certain topics have been left off this page, such as the Science & Technology section, which many other countries have. Similarly, a template with multiple city skylines is present on many many country pages. Nikkul (talk) 19:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The main reason we cannot write anything we want is that the editors of this page have worked very hard to earn this page featured status. This distinction is held by very a few (I think less than 1% of all Wikipedia articles). It means that this article follows the ideals and standards of Wikipedia, and that Wikipedia considers the India article an example for other articles to follow. We should be proud of this distinction. The editors have sacrificed the opportunity to self-aggrandize India, so that Wikipedia will recognize this article as a factual and reliable source. Sure the editors of the China article and others may brag, but that is why Wikipedia will not stand by what they write. JNG71886 (talk) 15:43, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Who keep's erasing my replies? And some of you wonder why when I use the word dictator? lol 71.105.87.54 (talk) 01:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I do, and here's why: Its because you treat wikipedia like some forum. Your messages are all about "I, me , myself" not about "improving the article". You are an attention seeking little kid who does not understand that building an encyclopedia is a serious activity. You treat talk pages like some chat group on orkut or facebook. Your "cool dude" kind of talk only , calling others names only betrays your lack of seriousness. You have failed to get consensus four times but that has only added to your self-centered wailing, not encouraged you to become more constructive. Your behaviour on this page falls into the category of trolling. That is why you get reverted all the time. --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 04:58, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
improving the article?India does have an aryan heritage in the north.This is even given in ncerte textbooks(certified by the goi).The question is,can we present teh material in a good way yet not make it look like a brag.Zoravar (talk) 17:34, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

don't you think there are many more important things to talk about ?Idlichutni (talk) 16:11, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Aryan heritage is very very old. We used to read about in our history books. With some solid references a paragraph on "Aryan hertiage" should be added to this articles. No one will delete sentences with valid references. In case some one is trying to delete a large paragraph/content, he/she should discuss in the talk page first. Skarmee (talk) 22:01, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

guptas rule is not indias golden age

The guptas only ruled north india so guptas rule is only golden age of north india. The golden age of south india is the rule of Chola dynasty which comprised the entire south india, srilanka, malayasia, indonesia and java. Also Vijaynagar dynasty needs to be explained in detail.

Yes, the history part doesn't cover the history of Soutth India 

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chola yadava (talk • contribs) 04:43, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Gupta empire covered much of the Indian Subcontinent. The Gupta army had reached Kānchipuram in modern Tamil Nādu state, capturing local kings and then reinstating them as their dependents. see [1] which's archived from [2]. Remember Aryabhatta was from Kerala. So any renaming Gupta period as Golden Age of North India would be inane. . Arjun (talk) 14:13, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
gupta empire is also good period of india. its also one of major hindu empires. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fkfjdf (talk • contribs) 17:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Most empires were confined to regions,the south used to have the triparite struggle.Zoravar (talk) 17:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some suggestions

1. It is better to put the North block in Ndelhi image under Government section rather than politics section. 2. A table of biggest 10 cities included in some country pages can be added under Demographics 3. I would suggest to add an image depicting something from South India. There are no images here that represent a place south of vindhyas . 4. Isn't it more relevant to put some image related to India's IT industry rather than the Nano car? While Nano generated much hype across the world, it is the IT & BPO industries that represent Indian economy outside India, and it is those sectors that push the growth. Shekure (talk) 05:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shekure, thanks for your input. To address your points:
  1. I agree that the North Block image is misplaced in the Politics section. It would be difficult to fit it into the Government section, because that sections already has a table and a map of India, but perhaps we can replace it with an image of Sansad Bhavan, which is a better symbol of politics in India. Do we have a decent image for that, or are there ay other suggestions ?
  2. The table of 10 (20 ?) biggest cities was removed from the article after discussion since such content can be covered more compactly and with greater context in text, as in the first paragraph of the Demographics section.
  3. Any specific suggestions ? Note though that the Bombay Stock Exchange, the Konark Sun Temple, Ajanta Caves, and the Chidambaram Stadium, are all south of the Vindhyas. Also keep in mind that the image in the Flora and fauna section and one of the images in the Culture section change daily.
  4. Any specific suggestions ? It is hard to depict IT industries pictorially especially since we should avoid adding a picture of an IT company's office building, since we already have several pictures of such buildings in the article (North Block, Taj Mahal, BSE etc)
Abecedare (talk) 05:57, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Commons has a few images of Sansad Bhavan, but none too good. An alternative could be an image of an election rally or something, we seem to be placing too much emphasis on buildings.
South of the Vindhyas -- I'd think adding a couple of images from Brihadeeswara temple, Shore temple, Belur, Shravanabelagola to the culture section rotation might be good, especially since these don't duplicate any of the existig architecture styles. Kerala backwaters might also be an option in the flora and fauna section?
During an earlier discussion, Deepak and I had suggested that the Nano be replaced with a GDP chart instead. That would be better than some random picture like the nano.
Commons has quite a bit of images for the above "South of the Vindhyas" bit, if anyone wants to look there.-SpacemanSpiff 06:20, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Image of Parliament bldg is a good suggestion.
I don't know what images are rotated in culture section - I think it would be good to add shore temple of Mahabalipuram or Madurai Meenakshi temple or Tirupati Temple. We can rotate Geography images the same way - Ladakh/Eastern Himalayas/kerala backwaters/goa beaches/rajasthan desert etc.
I definitely think Nano should be removed. There are better things to represent Indian economy, I would prefer Infosys HQ photograph to that of Nano car anyday —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shekure (talk • contribs) 10:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the images currently in the Culture section rotation:

Most of them are of temples/religious structures, and it would be a good idea to expand the breadth of Indian culture that is depicted.
About the Tata Nano image: I actually think it is pretty decent choice since it gives the reader an idea of low-priced, small, mass-market cars that are popular in India, and is a good representative of both indigenous development and manufacturing, and the expanding middle-class consumer market. The one downside I see is that we may seem to be shilling a particular commercial product, and taking anything to be "representative" of the Indian economy is always an oversimplification. I don't think a picture of the Infosys or any other IT company HQ is useful, since such buildings are virtually indistinguishable across countries, and IMO provide no real insight into particulars of the Indian IT industry. Perhaps we need an image illustrating agriculture in India, since that still accounts for 60% of the labour force...
The problem of course is to find relevant, encyclopedic, high quality and free images for the article (ideally, we'd pick featured pictures, or at least something that is comparable). If there are any suggestions of specific images, we can discuss them here. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 18:12, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't realize that the Mysore Palace was included, just never seen it on the article (or the Mahabodhi temple which I saw for the first time now). I'd think one of the Hoysala and/or Chola/Pallava temples would make good additions as they are significantly reviewed pieces, both as individual structures and as architectural styles.
Nano, I disagree. The auto industry isn't even covered as a significant part of the economy, and the nano is more of a well covered "recentism" issue. I don't think that a picture of Infosys lor something like that is any better, and it's really difficult to represent "human capital" pictorially. However, an agri-industry pic or a GDP chart would enhance the section, IMO.
cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 05:57, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed with the suggestion for diversification. I see no reason why culture should be restricted to architecture and religion: there's a whole lot else that could be incorporated, such as cuisine and clothing. I'm on the lookout for good images of Indian food - will post here if I locate any. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 12:32, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
For starters, here are a couple of FPs: 1, 2. A couple of others from PINSP - 3, 4. Can't seem to get away from architecture with the last one, but it's at least a non-religious structure :-) Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 12:47, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestions SBC! I have placed them in a gallery for easy viewing. Here are my views on the choices you list:

  • I have long been a fan of the Toda Hut image, and old-timers may have read my paean to it. But I was in a (vocal ;-) ) minority, at least when the section had two static images; wonder if the consensus has changed now that the images are rotated ?
  • The pigments image is simply wow! I really like it, both aesthetically, and in terms of the diversity it brings to the selection (still related to religion, but representing a distinctive and almost universal feature of Indian culture).
  • The Idli image subject is okay, but the image itself is very poorly framed and photographed. Given the ubiquity of the subject, I would prefer if we could find a better photograph.
  • The Gateway of India, on the other hand, is okay as a photograph, but I am not sure if it has much relevance to Indian culture. At best we can say that it is an example of the Indo-Saracenic architecture, but personally, I think we can do better.

Can others also chime in with their opinions (please don't just "vote") ? Once we have a few opinions, we can pick from these (and forthcoming ?) options and then craft an appropriate caption. Given how precious real-estate on this page is, I think the caption should not simply be descriptive of the image itself, but needs to be informative and complementary to the article text. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 17:24, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The toda hut image represents .0001% of India's population. There is NO way this can be representative of the pan-Indian culture. Toda's make up only .001% of India. It is WP:Undue to have an image on the India page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikkul (talk • contribs)
The image of the Toda hut, like Spaceman pointed out, is not representative of merely the Todas, but of India's tribes in general, who constitute some 8% of the population - certainly not undue. In any case, population is not the sole criterion for showcasing a particular image, particularly when the country's diversity is attempted to be portrayed. Also, the policy on undue weight applies to views and opinions w.r.t. article text and not images. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 10:40, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Toda Hut image is a perfect addition to the article. It represents the diversity of the different indigenous tribes and the associated cultural heritage. I'm not exactly in favor of the pigments image, while aesthetically pleasing, I think it needs more explanation than what it provides. As for another addition, I think the Golden Temple would be a good fit, but none of the images below appear to be of acceptable quality, a search for some better quality images might be in order. I also agree with SBC-YPR's statement about the Bangalore Shiva being a bit out of place. -SpacemanSpiff 05:54, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Tajmahal and add Meenakshi Amman temple Picture

The temple forms the heart and lifeline of the 2500 year old city of Madurai. The complex houses 14 magnificent Gopurams or towers including two golden Gopurams for the main deities, that are elaborately sculptured and painted. The temple is a significant symbol for the Tamil people, and has been mentioned since antiquity in Tamil literature, though the present structure is believed to have been built in 1600[1]. The tallest temple tower is 51.9 metres (170 ft) high[1].This represents India rather Tajmahal which stands no where in architecture and Engineering when compared with Minakshi Temple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.78.27 (talk) 05:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


So which picture are you talking about?--Migelot Talk to me! 17:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I will post link to some Pictures.My point is every few days someone changes picture just to satisfy his/her interests.We should put pictures that represents architectural and Engineering feats rather any random picture.Some of South Indian temples and structures definitely qualifies for that and are way ahead in architecture and engineering complexity then TajMahal.What you say? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.29.197.150 (talk) 23:20, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Taj Mahal is more notable than any of the South Indian temples. --CarTick 01:34, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you are wrong. Taj Mahal may be more popular in the world, but Indians are mostly Hindus. So a Hindu buildung would be more notable or appropriate for this article. Just a second thought. --Caughingjoe (talk) 13:03, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indians are mostly hindu,yet India is not a hindu state.Sikh,jain and buddhist archichecture is also part of India.

Please understand that we do not go by individual beliefs, but what is considered notable by reliable sources. Whether Indians are predominantly Hindus or not has no bearing on architectural structures that are notable. -SpacemanSpiff 14:01, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
i see your point. we could have both, Taj Mahal for its notability and Hindu temple for its ubiquitousness. we have a Shiva image anyway. we cant have too many pictures. Shiva or temple. --CarTick 16:25, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Public of India has already given its Mandate.It's time to remove Tajmahal from Indian culture.This is not a secularism debate but what should represent Indian culture.Certainely something related to Hinduism(Hindu/sikhism/janism)represnts Indian culture and not something made

by invaders.Put Tajmahal picture under tourists places,if anyone thinks so.But certainely not under Indian culture.It's totally illogical and off point.TajMahal picture must go from Culture paragraph.Here is link to 7 wonders choosen by Indian public. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NDTV%27s_Seven_Wonders_of_India —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabusharma (talk • contribs) 02:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Taj mahal is more Famous than any other monument or temple. That way I can also recoomend that Golden temple should have a picture here because it shows artitecture of north-west india--Migelot Talk to me! 16:29, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

architecture of North-West India is not as compelling as Ubiquity (which is actually an extension of majority of Indians being Hindus). --CarTick 17:22, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are three Hindu related pics in the rotation -- the Shiva, Akshardham temple, Konark temple. This shouldn't be a representation of religions per se, but the geographic and historical diversity of the country and the associated output (architecture is one example, but art like the Ravi Varma painting is also another). cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 17:49, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
On that note, why is a picture of the Shiva temple in Bangalore even in the rotation? It has little historical or cultural significance, and the Meenakshi, Brihadeeswarar temple or the Golden Temple (provided there exist good images) would be much better choices, IMHO. The second is also a UNESCO World Heritage monument. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 12:13, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well brothers , It doesnot matter that Hindus are in majority in India as India is made by Indians. Moreover Sikhism originated in India and 70% of sikhs lives in India.I am not saying that Golden Temple Pic be added but I am supporting Taj mahal over others, cheers,--Migelot Talk to me! 14:39, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

well brother,it matters that hindus are in majority TajMahal pic is under culture section,it can be placed under tourist places.But what

should be posted under Indian culture section should be decided after knowing what Indian culture is.Indian society and culture is predominantly Hindu since last 5000 years.So passing comments that it does not matter whether India is Hindu majority or not sounds uneducated.Its a culture section and not secularism.Link for Indian culture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_India —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabusharma (talk • contribs) 03:07, 29 December 2009 (UTC) PRedominantly Hindu ahs nothing to with hindu,first correct your claims of 5000 years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoravar (talk • contribs) 17:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm all for the Taj Mahal image. The Taj is one of the most famous representations of the culture of India. keep in mind culture includes architecture. Nikkul (talk) 15:14, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Can any of the following image of Golden temple Make up to the rotation list???--Migelot Talk to me! 09:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well My point is very clear.Lets puts pictures of Architectural and Engineering Marvals.This is not a question what is more famous or less famous.Therefore we should put pictures of exceptional engineering Marvals from India.One more thing the section under which we are posting pictures is culture.Indian culture is mostly and predominantly Hindu,therefore any picture posted in this section must represent Predominant culture of India and not any other.India is not a muslim culture but Hindu.Even on Engineering and architectural comparison TajMahal stands nowhere near Great Indian temples.SO better to change since this section is Indian culture and not secularism.

TajMahal certainely not represents Indian culture and it should not be placed there as a permanent entity.More ever TajMhal was build by invaders,so how can it be a representative of India?Indian culture must have pictures which shows predominant culture.Hindu culture mostly covers Hinduism,sikhism,Janism.Put Tajmahal under tourist places but certainly not under Culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabusharma (talk • contribs) 02:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Taj Mahal was not built by an invader. It was built by Shah Jahan who was an Indian. Period. At least my history textbooks taught me so. Babar was an invader, but his descendents were not. If we think that way, all Aryans must be considered invaders, and only images of something built by Dravidians should be put here, isn't that so?
The point is, Taj Mahal deserves to be in the culture section. Even within India, Taj Mahal is identified by more people than Bruhadeeswara temple or any other monument. Please understand that wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view.
Having said that, I support the removal of Shiva statue from Bangalore. It has no other significance apart from its size
Shekure (talk) 05:24, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, all Mougals are defined as Invaders in History book,Calling there descendants as Indians is your ignorance.You can't compare Aryans with Mougals,that shows your lack of knowledge about history.
TahMahal just don't represent Indian culture.You need to get your knowledge of culture correct.Put TajMahal picture in tourist section or places to visit India.But not in culture section.Indian culture for the last 5000 years is Hindu culture and you can't put something representing a brief period of Invaders.
Tajmahal must go from culture section.Put something representing Hindu culture,that is what India's culture is.
We do understand that wikipedia is wriiten with neutral point of view,thats why culture section must represent Indian culture.Tajmahal is not Indian culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabusharma (talk • contribs) 18:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Islamic culture, especially in North India cannot be taken deliberately as Indian culture. If this was accepted by North Indians, Ayyodya wouldn't have been a case. Infact Islamic culture is known is "Indo-Islamic" culture, not as "Indian culture", which generally refers to Hindu-culture of the majority people of India. The Taj Mahal is however most famous, because of the Muslims in the world. It shoul be also noted, that most outstanding architecture in Dravidian style are also UNESCO objects. Taj Mahal can take the second place in the article, not the first. --Caughingjoe (talk) 13:36, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What are you talking about?? Taj is the most famous architectural landmark in India...and architecture is an integral part of culture...also taj mahal shows islamic influence in Indian culture. Nikkul (talk) 22:25, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The taj mahal shows archichechture best,the meenakshi temple is a religious attraction.The majority of India has got nothing to do with it(specially in case of a seclar state,as in India),I currently live in India dont even know waht it is.Religious attractions are causes of flame wars.Zoravar (talk) 17:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What?Tajmahal is not a architectural feat.You should educate yourself before hitting keyboard randomly.Have some knowledge of Minakshi temple and then you will know which is better.BTW this section is not about secularism,this is about India culture which is predominantly Hindu.NO one is interested where you are living,and if you are ignorant doesn't mean whole world is also same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabusharma (talk • contribs) 06:03, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Tabusharma, sir plz see what you are talking.???? And on the topic......I live in India and I havent even heard about it...........and sir "Hindu" is not a culture ,its religion, If it is a culture ,then plz explain why different states were made based on so called culture??.......Taj mahal should not be removed.And about Hindusim this article already have Picture of Lord Shiva in it.I hope you will be little more responsible next time.Thanks--Migelot Talk to me! 07:17, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

starting para with sir,won't add weight age to your comment.You like in India and you have not heard about this does not mean this thing does not exists,its in India standing tall since ages.When i said Hindu is a culture?You need to study how culture and religion are linked together.What i meant to say is that Tajmahal is an islamic monument with an islamic architecture which does not properly represent Indian culture which is 5000 years old and predominantly a Hindu culture.Putting something that can suffice 5000 year old Indian culture is the requirement for this section and Minakshi temple/Diwali pic represents that.Who is interested in Lord Shiv picture?My point is TajMahal just

don't represent 5000 year old Indian culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabusharma (talk • contribs) 08:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC) This guy's claims 5000 years are all wrong,it was around 1500ad.Woah,tehy teach this in 7th and 6th grade.Zoravar (talk) 17:44, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Taj Mahal is a very important monument to India, but it is not the sole representative of Indian culture . . . All we have as pictures are a Buddha statue and the Taj Mahal. Indian temples, especially in the south, are marvels of architecture that are often overlooked. Too often does the mention of India bring up only the Taj Mahal. It is important to India's history, but is not a sole definition of Indian culture. Perhaps it should be moved to a different section and other examples of Indian culture be added here. Ashwin N (talk) 22:44, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The classical status for sanskrit and tamil

The article states sanskrit and tamil were granted the classical status "many" years before Kannada and Telugu. I think the qualifier 'many' doesn't serve any purpose and if I remember correctly, tamil was given that status only 3 or 4 years before. Rakesh Dhanireddy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC).[reply]

You are right.

The "classical language" {{puffery}} is a complete WP:RECENTISM with no real-world relevance. By all means discuss the petty details at languages of India, but this is the India article and as such cannot lose itself on such tangents, under WP:DUE. --dab (𒁳) 10:19, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)Well, it's in the article (I guess) because the government decided to consider itself the guardian of languages and issued this status. As for the actual years, it was Tamil (2004), Sanskrit (2005), Kannada (2008) and Telugu (2008). It's only a matter of time before the rest of the Eighth Schedule languages get the status! I don't think this status merits inclusion in the article though, so if there aren't any objections I'll remove it. –SpacemanSpiff 10:34, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


It's cargo-cult terminology of the "eminent scholars classify $LANGUAGE as classical" type. India should really get its act together and grow beyond such wisecrackery. But as long as they do not, we just need to file away each item neatly where it belongs, in this case "classical languages of India" (not India). --dab (𒁳) 10:40, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

National language

There is a great deal of confusion about the official and national languages of India. apparently, GJ high court has clarified the situation for the time being and i propose to add it in the infobox and the body of the article. --CarTick 21:59, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What's the confusion about? The article (infobox as well as main body) clearly states that Hindi is the official language of the Union - nowhere is national language even mentioned. All the GJ HC has done has been to reiterate the existing position. What do you propose to add? Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 14:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I propose to add not defined by the constitution in the infobox and Neither the Constitution of India, nor any Indian law defines any national language in the demographics section.
humans are notorious for reading something and understanding something else and my friends from the part of the world I am from are very good in this art. During a discussion the other day, I had a friend who looked at the India page infobox and turn around and tell me that the national languages of India are English and Hindi. Unless you are interested in perpetual propagation of mis-information... --CarTick 14:55, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
i agree with cartick. In India's case official and national languages are not interchangeable .India deliberately doesn't have a National language and has only official langugage by design. And a lot of people (including mainstream media from the North) make the "hindi is the national language" assertion (either deliberately or by mistake). And when it is pointed out that it is only the official language, they use "national language" and "official language" as interchangeable. It would do no harm to clarify that the "no national language" is a feature of india and not a bug/anamoly. [3]--Sodabottle (talk) 07:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I support this, although Im not sure of the infobox. The problem is twofold:
  1. The mistaken notion that Hindi is the "national language"
  2. The status of the languages in the 8th Schedule: THere is a lot of confusion as to whether the 8th schedule languages are specically "national languages" or just "scheduled languages"
One of the reasons northerners mistakenly push the "hindi is the national language" line, as mentioned by Sodabottle is this: there is no differentiation between "oficial language" and "national languge" in Hindi media (including the government press). The term used for both in Hindi is "rajbhasha". Even the government uses this term for "official language" [4]; although, "aupchaarik bhasha" would be a more correct translation of "official language". --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 12:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
DO you have any facts which confirms that North Indians think Hindi is National langauage?Or this is just you assumption born out of

hate for Hindi language?Indian article clearly defines that Hindi is Official language of federal govt of India,why you need more explanations/infobox?Do you have some fear?Btw Hindi is the 5th most spoken language of the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabusharma (talk • contribs) 08:21, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


you are right. just had a look at the India article in Hindi wikipedia. --CarTick 13:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't Rashtra Basha the correct hindi term for National language and Raj Basha for official language. The Dakshin Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha text books i first encountered these terms made clear about the distinction between Rashtra and Raj Basha's and Hindi's status as Rajbasha?.--Sodabottle (talk) 13:55, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting! Wasn't aware of this differentiation. The Hindi pedia has a detailed discription [5] which sheds some light on this. --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 17:55, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is probably worth explaining on Languages with official status in India (sourced of course, unlike the hi.wiki where sourcing standards are non-existent, they even renamed R. K. Narayan as hi:आर कृष्णस्वामी नारायण!, if only I could type in Hindi, I'd go over and fix it.) –SpacemanSpiff 18:50, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Deepak, i was reading your post again and realised had overlooked one of your questions but didnt understand it well enough. could you please elaborate on the confusion about the 8th Schedule languages. --CarTick 00:45, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What I meant was this: a lot of people think that the Eight schedule lists the "national languages of India", which isn't so. I think we need to clarify this point too. --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 05:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Transportation

This article is missing information about its transportation. --Extra999 (talk) 17:50, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Demand for new states

Please make appropriate changes in the government section to show the decades old demand for new states such as vidarbha,etc. and the current formation of the state telangana.

Percy1005 (talk) 14:39, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's crystal balling and the hunt for new states isn't notable for an article about India.Hometech (talk) 11:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But I think it is. -- Extra999 (talk) 12:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not here, I havent seen any other country article which mentions statehood movements(seperatist movements are mentioned though). You could consider adding it to Politics of India --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 13:47, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I too agree that demands for new states is not noteworthy enough for this page; when the demand is actually realized, we can update the India article. In the meantime, the content can be added to Aspirant states of India or Separatist movements of India, depending upon whether the separate states intend to remain part of the union. Both those articles need work, and sourced and neutral contributions will be welcome there. Abecedare (talk) 14:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Demand of separate states can be added to this article as it is a significant political development. Mr D'Souza demand of separate states are not seperatist movements. seperatist movement is generally lead to a separate nation. Like happening in Kashmir. Skarmee (talk) 21:53, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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