User talk:HJ Mitchell

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Jorge Vargas González AfD

Hi, could I take part of this request for deletion?. If I could voted, I would say this:

• Strong Keep Maybe the person isn't notable outside Chile, but he was very notable when he took part of several controversies around the town, Pichilemu, where he was mayor. Additionally, his song 'Heredero de tu Amor' was very popular in 2004 [1] Chile hasn't charts, but the article states it received high play in some Santiago radios. His controversies have received coverage from the most important newspapers in Chile [2] [3] --Diego Grez ^{let's talk} 01:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, and cheers. --Diego Grez ^{let's talk} 01:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I also think I could help expanding the article after my restrictions are lifted. What do you think? --Diego Grez ^{let's talk} 01:55, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

ARGH! You gave me an edit conflict! On my own damn talk page! I had a look at the history and you've obviously been involved with the article, so I'll copy that over for you. If you need to reply to anything later on, post here and I'll see to it. Btw, can you email me, I want to talk to you. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:58, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. And mailed :) --Diego Grez ^{let's talk} 02:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

This may sound weird, but I really want to comeback and edit without restrictions, that are really being a pain. I have even clicked the edit tag, but later I remember that I can't save :-P --Diego Grez ^{let's talk} 17:22, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

'Sack Tapping'

<snigger> Sorry, couldnt help it! I got involved in this too. See them revert you diff, (UnCivil !); me revert diff; and another edit 3 minutes after me diff. You shoulda let me know HJ, I wasn't very busy. I don't mind babysitting articles! --220.101 (talk) ^\Contribs 09:47, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry 220.101.28.25. What did you actually wanted to revert? Did you revert to remove the tags or the content? I was under the impression that you only wanted the tags removed (just as HJ Mitchell did because you copied HJ Mitchell's edit summary). By saving an older version of the article, the old content was also replaced. Thanks, Davtra (talk) 10:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

The tags, or the uncivil edit summary more so! (No need to be formal btw, 220.101 or even 220 will do). 220.101.28.25 (talk) ^Contribs 10:51, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

What the hell was that? "Undid disruptive edit by HJ Mitchell". Ouch! I've warned them about personal attacks. If it wasn't notable, it wouldn't be on the Main Page (I should know, I spend most of my time dealing with the Main Page). That said, Davtra's right in that you should have just reverted the tags, not the whole content, but it's easily fixed. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:28, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I was trying to get some sleep too, as very little for ≈ 24-30 hours! Then I saw this jolly little article, so I did wot I did, now I'm getting messages that I have to reply to, Boo Hoo! Looks like you didnt get a lot of ZZZs either HJ? 220.101.28.25 (talk) ^Contribs 10:51, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I believe Huey45 has his own rules of what an encyclopedia should be and how it should be written. I believe he edits in good faith. He appears to be a grammarian or linguistics expert. He thinks American English is not a language and will conflict with other American English editors. Best to keep an eye on Huey45. Thanks, Davtra (talk) 11:15, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I just restored this article to one of its versions before all the heavy handed edits took place with the frontpage DYK visits. I probably should have went back a couple of more. Mundial time. The Netherlands versus Denmark is boring and no Shakira yet. Univision shows non-stop action. ----moreno oso (talk) 12:10, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Whenever you have the time

can you take a look at Talk:2010 FIFA World Cup schedule and see if i was in the wrong. I admitted i may have been overzealous in the revert, but the other editors have also absolutely refused to want to discuss the matter which i have repeatedly done. They simply state that editors #1,2,3,4 have said it shouldnt be there and then count that as consensus for removal. i've ceased reverting but still await discussion. i've also said the removal can be found with an agreement that another editor suggested (and suggested one of my own) but they dont want to discuss it anymore, now the conversation went into wikipedia guidelines instead of content.

On the 2010 FIFA World Cup page one of the editors from the previous page (who was alerted through a discussion board that did not fairly represent each view yet came to a conclusion in 6 minutes to remove) removed data without talk on the talk page (where i had already explained my addition for) 2010_FIFA_World_Cup#favourites_section.

Thanks. Lihaas (talk) 16:44, 12 June 2010 (UTC))

• I'll take a look. Unfortunately, such disputes are not uncommon with such topics due to the sheer number of editors whoa re going to be editing that page and it'll probably get more heated over the next 4 weeks as the tournament plays out, so you just need to keep a cool head. I'll have a look now before I go back to dealing with {{editprotected}} requests. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:49, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Ouch! There's nothing wrong with being bold, but the consensus seems against your proposals, but someone has some serious ownership issues! Hardly surprising, though. Just keep your chin up and do your best and drop me a line if it turns nasty and I'll tell everyone to calm down! :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeh, i acknowledged being overzealous with the reverts, but i did call for discussion with at the time no one did. Cool though, im resorting to discussion on this and other pages (As you know). I'll be waiting for some rational responses too. But to clarify as per WP:Consensus "consensus can't wait forever" if no one wants to discuss it.?(Lihaas (talk) 17:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

If nobody wants to discuss it, then just go back to the old fashioned bold, revert, discuss but not bold, revert, revert, revert! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:10, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

My first close - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gallery of triband flags

I just closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gallery of triband flags as transwiki to Commons. Now, for the big bucks, how does that happen? ----moreno oso (talk) 23:02, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I've contacted an admin I work with around the Main Page (who is also a Commons admin). Hopefully he'll be able to help. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:08, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Cool. Aw man, there's that kitty again. Kitty want a fishy? ----moreno oso (talk) 01:12, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Meow! Btw, did you install that AfD-closing script? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:17, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

{{trout}}

Quite. Thank you for the fish, though it's more likely to get eaten by the archive bot. Ah well, I'm sure the bot'll enjoy it! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:27, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Yes, I did. Thanks. I tried to find a regular AfD I could close last night but there were three others and they were complicated. I looked again today and saw the one I closed. I just wish the script provided a button for the transwiki option. ----moreno oso (talk) 01:30, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I relisted five tonight; close one as Keep and wanted to Delete Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/All Pro Dad. However, it seems as a newbie or probie, I don't have the delete option. Could you review my actions? ----moreno oso (talk) 02:29, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

In this DIFF1, an editor asked my reasons for relisting. In this second DIFF2, he reverted the relisting without waiting for my answer which is visible in the first DIFF1. What your impression on this? ----moreno oso (talk) 02:46, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello! Some sort of server issue is preventing me from importing the pages to Commons, so I'll try again later.
Note that four of them (Gallery of bordered flags, Gallery of flags with cantons, Gallery of flags with crescents and Gallery of flags with plants) were manually copied and pasted to Commons in 2007 and 2008 (under the titles Bordered flags Flags with cantons, Flags with crescents and Flags with plants), so we can either overwrite the Commons pages or merge the Commons histories with the portions of the Wikipedia histories that predate them. (If there are no major differences, the former option would be easier.) Either way, given the lack of significant prose, there shouldn't be any copyright/licensing issues. —David Levy 03:33, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

You live in the UK? ----moreno oso (talk) 04:50, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Me? The flag on the userpage not give it away? ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 04:52, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

No, and that brings up a great point - I *really* need to look at userpages regardless if I trust somebody. I saw your comment about the time and understand Universal Coordinated Time. ----moreno oso (talk) 04:55, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

You'd be surprised what you can learn by reading (or just glancing at) someone's userpage! Yes, I'm in the UK, but I seem to be in a dispute with my body clock, hence being active at such an absurd hour! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 04:58, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

• Got you on my watchlist and see your post about the time where you live...brought up a question. Isn't all of England on GMT? - NeutralHomer • Talk • 04:58, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, that's another of the hundred and something talk page stalkers I can put a name to! Currently, the UK's on British Summer Time (GMT +1). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 05:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Kinda like the US has Daylight Savings Time, I guess. :) - NeutralHomer • Talk • 05:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Same principle, just the other side of that big blue wet thing! :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 05:07, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Tell me about body clocks. I got up at 4 am (about 11am your time) to watch the Mundial. I *dig* when Univision shows Shakira doing the Waka Waka (This Time for Africa) song. I wonder if she has seen a grown bear's um, er, ah teeth. Yeah, that's the ticket! Teeth! ----moreno oso (talk) 05:08, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha :) I didn't know England had Daylight Savings Time. I have learned something. Neat! :) - NeutralHomer • Talk • 05:12, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Me too. I've learned that Shakira looks great in Africa. Now, if she was in my living room. . .----moreno oso (talk) 05:16, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed! Though, there are others I'd pick if given the choice. Sadly we'll probably have to settle for a screen in the living room. I s'pose you could go to Africa, but that'd be pricey. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 05:19, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Lily's easy on the eyes but she's young to be my um, er, ah young playmate wife. I gotta find a gal I think is here. ----moreno oso (talk) 05:23, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I got nothing. All the gals I like have no PD image. I'd marry Ana María Canseco and would be captivated with her friend Giselle Blondet. ----moreno oso (talk) 05:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

You can try Flickr- some of the folks there can be willing to release their photos if you ask nicely. We're getting a little old for my own tastes, though. Saying that, Shakira's older than I thought... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 05:56, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I've looked for the correct licensed pix but none exist. Yeah, I thought Shakira was all of 22 - she looks so young. Maribel Guardia appeared in H Magazine at 48 in stockings, garters and heels. I forget how the English put garters - it's quaint. --moreno oso (talk) 06:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

What does that do for me? Do I get a raise? *Actually* now that I peeked at Maribel, I did get a raise. . . ----moreno oso (talk) 06:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

You can try asking people nicely to release them. You'd be surprised how often it works (that's where all but one of the images I've uploaded to Commons came from). Yeah, I wouldn't have put Shakira a day over 22 either if I hadn't just read her article! Are you sure Maribel is 48? She doesn't look it! Couldn't resist- I googled it! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:13, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Her article says she's 51 now. I think she is that old because she won Miss Costa Rica back in the early 70s or late 60s. Did you go to Yahoo or Google and see her in GHH? Woah. She usually works out and most times I see on a show, she wears fishnet stockings which make her legs look nicely tanned. She seems like a classy chick, good singer and so-so comedianne. She married an older guy Joan Sebastian. That guy can sing tunes from the top of a horse like Roy Rodgers in his prime. ----moreno oso (talk) 06:18, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) ...this is one of the stranger talk page threads I've read. :P But heck, she really doesn't look that old.{{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 06:20, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It's the kitty's fault. I think he's territorial. ----moreno oso (talk) 06:24, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It's the kitty's fault you got a raise? {{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 06:25, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, not the kitty onscreen. That cat freaks me - really. I remember the first I came here to post something and I jumped back from the keyboard. The next time I felt like I was on LSD - and I don't do drugs. Maribel does it for me. ----moreno oso (talk) 06:28, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

She really doesn't look that old! Either that kitty has more authority than I do (I work harder for less than you guys! :P) or somebody's into bestiality. I'm not sure which is more disconcerting! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:31, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately in HD, she's beginning to show her age. Several years ago, somebody said that HD would be like TV which killed radio stars. I saw this one gal tonight who had more pancake makeup than some stiffs in a casket. ----moreno oso (talk) 06:34, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, I am confused....where be this kitty we are talking about? Only one I see is the "serious business" kitty. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 06:35, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

This kitty but you have to google her. She appeared in H Magazine which is like Playboy several years ago at 48. ----moreno oso (talk) 06:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Wowsers! - NeutralHomer • Talk • 06:43, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

You guys are all so male... :P I think the (onscreen) kitty is funny. Maribel, otoh, makes me feel old. Which is incredibly weird. {{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 06:47, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

We can't help it! ;) But seriously, I wouldn't believe she was 48 in that shoot! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:51, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Take a look at Pauley Perrette (you would know her as "Abby" on the American drama NCIS. What would you say her age is without looking at her page? - NeutralHomer • Talk • 06:54, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I love NCIS! I'd put her in her late 20s at most, but now I'll have to check. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

...23. (Damn! How do all these women do it?) How old would you have guessed Maribel was in that Playboy shoot? {{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 06:58, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

...and you would both be wrong. Pauley Perrette is 41! Sourced and all here on Wikipedia. Fourty-freakin'-one! Some good genes. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 07:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

*Pick jaw up from floor* She's how old? 41? Bloody hell! I would have put Maribel in her early 30s at the very most. She looks damn good to say she was getting on for 50! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 07:02, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Really?? She looks like she could be in my class! {{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 07:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I did the same when I seen how old she was on IMDb. Couldn't believe it. Born in 1969...that is crazy, man. :) - NeutralHomer • Talk • 07:05, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

But she doesn't look a day over 25, if that! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 07:11, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I know. They even said in an episode of NCIS: Los Angeles (not sure if you get that over there yet) that she was in her "mid 20s" and everyone was like "we know that ain't true" on IMDb. Can't remember where we got the source for her birthdate from on her page. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 07:18, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

A discussion about deletion turns into a discussion about NCIS? Davtra (talk) 07:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to my talk page! You get used to it! Do grab a chair and join us, I'll put the kettle on. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:20, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll put the kettle on. You need to get back to mopping. (Actually, both are pretty housewifey things to do...) What about something a little stronger? {{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 08:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I would, but it's now 09:30 am! I do a like a good whisky, though- hence the name of my alternate account! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:33, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm UTC-12, so it's about the right time to start drinking here. (Ignoring that I'm very underage.) Oh well, coffee for us all then. {{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 08:37, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

UTC-12? Where does that put you geographically if you don;t mind my asking? A country or even a continent would do, I'm just curious! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:40, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Oops, I meant UTC+12, not UTC-12. Quite a big difference. (And the article should give you a decent guess.) {{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 08:44, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, the UTC-12 article is quite interesting (I didn't know that existed)! So a typo is the difference between an uninhabited area of the North Pacific and somewhere probably considerably warmer! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:51, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. And it's also the difference between Sunday morning and Monday morning... *groan* It's hard being the first to greet Monday. :P {{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 09:01, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome :) Davtra (talk) 23:43, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Hosni Mobarak

An inappropriate photo has been uploaded to the infobox for Hosni Mubarak. THis photo features the flag of Israel behind the head of the President of Egypt. An image of MObarak with with the flag of Egypt in the background was removed. This is not a good faith contribution. The uploader named the provocative image in a way which is very plain -- File:Mubarak flag.jpg.

I don't know what to do about this. Your name was on the page protection notice; and that is why I am contacting you. --Tenmei (talk) 02:14, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

The best thing to do is discuss it on the talk page if the reverting continues. The contribution may well be in good faith, so you should get a consensus there. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:40, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Stone Temple Pilots (album)

Resolved

 – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 17:07, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi HJ. I started a discussion regarding an article I'm working on at Wikipedia_talk:Good_article_nominations#Will_a_.22dead_link.22_brimming_with_good_faith_hold_back_a_nom_from_reaching_GA.3F in the hopes of getting people's opinions on a wall I hit a week or so ago. As someone who's worked with me closely on the GA process, I value your input, and I need as many honest opinions about what to do with this article before I spend any more time on it. Thank you! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 05:34, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, nevermind! I removed the section entirely and have a new idea of how to incorporate some of the info. Disregard above message, thanks! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 17:07, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer - many thanks!

Thanks HJ. Just need to work out what to do with it now...!  ;)

Leaky Caldron 18:44, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. As I understand it, it does sweet FA until the devs actually implement whatever euphemism we're using to pretend this isn't flagged revs! ;) WP:REVIEWER has the nitty gritty, though. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:47, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks from me too! Salvio ( ^{Let's talk 'bout it!}) 18:53, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

And from myself as well (plus apologies for the spam). — Gavia immer (talk) 01:53, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

A request

Hi HJ, do you have any interest in closing an unblock discussion as an uninvolved admin? It's this discussion on AN to unblock Peter Damian, and specifically I'm looking for someone to sum up the consensus, so that Peter has a pointer for the future in terms of what's expected of him. I've posted here on AN/I about it. Don't worry, though, if you'd rather not. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 18:49, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I've closed it. My closing statement is a bit long, but it was a long discussion and warranted more than just a "meh, no consensus, let it drop into the archives". If you'd relay those thoughts to Peter, I'd appreciate it and he's welcome to email me via WP if he wants me to clarify anything. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:18, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

That's excellent, thank you, just what was required. I'll e-mail Peter a link, and pass on that he's welcome to contact you. Thanks for taking the time to read the discussion carefully. I know it was a lot to read, and it's much appreciated. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 19:39, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

JD Costello Page

The article on JD Costello has links that does not work, has no 3rd party references, and is written from a first person perspective. Also includes remarks that are directed at individuals that have no bearing on the page or references. I created the page and the information has been added without reference. Can you have it removed or corrected? I have tried but it seems that it keeps being reverted back ldeffinbaugh 18:53, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

What, specifically, do you think needs removing? Have you tried to reference the information? The first approach is to try to improve things through discussion and normal editing. Unless admin intervention is necessary, I'm reluctant to jump in waving my mop around. You might like to ask at WT:PW for help. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:24, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

talkback two

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BarkingFish ^{Talk to me} | ^{My contributions} 20:59, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

IP vandal - 67.87.198.243

Can you please block 67.87.198.243 as vandalism-only? Has returned from a previous block vandalizing the same pages as well as new vandalism by changing dates without references. I have not warned this user because all previous warnings to this IP (formerly editing as 67.87.198.198) have increased the vandalism activity instead of stopping it. Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

They haven;t edited in nearly 12 hours and they haven't received any warnings. I'd like to, but there's no way they'd be blocked if they were reported to AIV, so it would be improper of me to do it this way. Give them a 4im warning and if they start again, they can be blocked. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:06, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I wasn't sure how to proceed with this VERY tenacious editor. Warning issued. Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Well if they keep it up after the warning, report them to AIV (or here if I'm online) and they should be blocked. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:24, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Not necessary now because after I issued the warning, Dreadstar blocked them and semi-protected the page. (I guess Dreadstar had the IP's talk page on their watchlist.) Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah well. What we really need is a template that says "you have been blocked from editing for being a pain in the arse"! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:38, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Block

I know I should let Jiujitsuguy fight his own battles but the curiosity is driving me nuts. Would it be appropriate to block Malik Shabazz and Huldra as well since they were reverting directly after the protection was lifted? They were both reverting before the block much like Jiujitsuguy was. I can understand Jiujitsuguy receiving a lengthier block (if one is needed at all) since he just had one a couple weeks ago, but all three appear to have committed the same infraction. Neither Malik Shabazz or Huldra have been exceptionally disruptive lately or anything but all were engaged in a content dispute that Jiujitsuguy was trying to figure out (toned down wording and all). Just seems to be a little off to me but I might just be biased.Cptnono (talk) 01:07, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Jujitsuguy already has 2 blocks for edit warring and has been warned in the past for exactly that kind of behaviour. Out of fairness, though, I will look into the behaviour of the other parties in a minute. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:12, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Having looked further into the history, it appears that Jujitsuguy appeared out of the blue about 3 weeks ago, since then the page has been protected twice- that's a connection that's hard to ignore. It very much looks like he was the one causing trouble by making edits he knew were opposed without discussing them. For the most recent series of reverts, though, it comes down to "he started it". HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:24, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't completely agree (not that it matters if I do) but your reasoning does make some sense. Thanks for satisfying my curiosity. Cptnono (talk) 01:51, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It matters to me. If there's a detail I've missed or you have another perspective, I'd like to hear it. I'd like to think I make my admin actions based on all the information available to me at the time. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:54, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

First I think that JJG sounds pretty pissed off in his appeal so he might want to wait a bit until appealing. Even though he doesn't sound happy what he says does also make some sense. My biggest concern is that JJG is right that changes are needed to the article and those changes are contentious. He has tried toning down edits the edits, sought input, and used the talk page but kind of ran into a wall. And I don't think he was attempting to edit war. He mentioned in his appeal that one of the edits was not one of the previous problem issues (I didn't know that). If I were in your shoes I would have waited to see if he reverted after the other reverts since then it would have been crystal clear that he was going to be disruptive. Right now it looks like there is frustration over previous issues on other articles causing a potential overreaction. It could also be him getting what is coming to him. Suppose it depends on your perspective.

In regards to the other editors, they did react but their reaction could have been different than yet another revert. He should shoulder more of the blame for kicking it off but it doesn't look like his intent was to edit war while the other editors had no problem reverting.

The lifting of the block does not mean that editors need to answer the bell for round two but I don't think it was clear if editors were going to restrict themselves to a 1rr or continue hitting the revert button.Cptnono (talk) 02:12, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I was looking at RFU, and Jiujitsuguy requested an unblock. From what he said, from the article history, and from this discussion, I intend to grant the unblock, provided he promises not to edit war further on the article in question. What Cptnono said is true. Jiujitsuguy made one edit yesterday, followed by immediate reverts by two people, who have also been edit-warring. Jiujitsuguy did not revert them, which would be further edit-warring, but let it stand, and it looked like he'd stopped edit warring. Then some hours later, you come in with a one week block. Enigma^msg 17:02, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for reducing the block. Hopefully this doesn't come back to a "I told you so" situation.Cptnono (talk)

Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Reviewer/Archive 1

Hi HJ Mitchell. Hope all is well. I noticed you archived the contents of Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Reviewer to Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Reviewer/Archive 1. While this is definitely much needed, Kingpin runs a bot, KingpinBot, which automatically archives approved/denied requests to Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Archive. Just thought you might like to know. All the best, FASTILY ^(TALK) 03:08, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I didn't know that the bot was working for the reviewer page, but with around 80 requests on the page, they needed to go somewhere. Once things have calmed down, I'll help clean up the mess I've made! Nice to hear from you. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:10, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Alright, sounds great - I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the bot!! Cheers, FASTILY ^(TALK) 03:14, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Admins and improper use of tools

I have to admit I am curious to understand why, if a non-admin misuses a tool that is part of the admin package, it's perfectly alright to strip the editor of it, but if an admin misuses the same tool, they should at most be blocked. Why do you think that it's okay for the admin to continue to have access to that tool? If they are using one tool improperly, does that not increase the likelihood of them misusing another tool in the package? Risker (talk) 04:33, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps, but to strip and admin of their ability to block/delete/protect/assign permissions etc over a few bad rollbacks is a bit like cutting a surgeon's hands off because he stole something. We can always ban administrators from using parts of the package if need be (for example, I don't handle speedy deletion except for uncontroversial deletions, spam and attack pages- as I promised in my RfA) and they can be stripped of the whole package if they don't abide by it. Of course, blocking temporarily revokes their ability to use any of the package.

That said, to the best of my knowledge (though, as an arb, you probably know better than I), admins abusing part of their toolset is fairly rare, whereas a non-admin whacking rollback in an edit war seems more common, though perhaps that's just statistics. I actually think we can be a little hasty with removing things like rollback from non-admins, but then it's very easily granted because it's very easily revoked. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 04:47, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Most admins only use part of their toolset, or only use it in certain areas. (For example, I need major hand-holding to edit anything to do with mediawiki, and I wouldn't touch an edit filter for a million dollars.) The vast majority of problematic admins only abuse one or two tools out of the set. And please don't ever think that removing rollback is a minor thing; it is an enormous slap in the face to the editor involved, in some ways even more so than being blocked. There is only one case in which I am aware that an admin has a specific restriction for using specific tools, and that had to be imposed by Arbcom; and to be honest, it isn't working out very well at this point. To use the malapropism created today by User:Ceoil, maybe it is time to "debungle" the admin tools. Risker (talk) 05:37, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I can think of one or two who only got through RfA on a promise of avoiding certain areas like the plague, but perhaps it is time. It could certainly be a good thing if parts of the toolset could be removed without removing the whole lot so that poor use of one doesn't necessarily have to affect others which are being put to good use. Isn't that up there with reconfirmation and mandatory recall for admins in terms of perennial proposals, though? Perhaps it should be brought up again- either with the community or with the devs. I agree with you on the edit filters, but the admin "read only" mode can be helpful. I can deal with mediawiki, but only handling pretty basic {{editprotected}} requests and with detailed instructions. Likewise with the fiddly permanently protected templates. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 05:48, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Rollback

Thanks for processing my Rollback request so quickly - and yes, you've saved me a request with "reviewer" - thanks again.

One question, though, about your edit summary, if I may:

Follow, if you would, this sequence:

• 1 Go to WP:ROLLBACK
• 2 Click the link in "How to apply" that takes you to: Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback
• 3 Click the "add request" link at the top

This is actually an "add section" link - hence my confused initial section heading when saving the edit "whined" about no heading.
But nowhere on that trip did I see an instruction to add to the top of the list - I'm probably just being thick.  -  Begoon (talk) 06:51, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. It's only a few clicks. That's interesting. I just tested it (I've never used it before- I asked an admin directly for my own rollback button and then I got the admin bit) and it automatically puts it at the bottom and complains when you don;t enter a header. I might query that on the talk page. Thanks for bringing that up. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 07:19, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

If I'd just done what I presume most people do, and clicked EDIT on the page, then I would probably have just copied and pasted the latest entry to the top, and edited with my Username/details etc... The issue, I suppose, is having the [add section] link on the page when that's not how the list is used by convention. No big thing, I expect - but probably worth a mention, since there could be others as thick as me - unlikely, but possible...  -  Begoon (talk) 07:32, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hathor_Exploration

Hi HJ Mitchell, actually more a question than a complaint: This AfD had no keep votes in two weeks, is that not some sort of a consensus? I read the comment somehow as "on the fence". --Pgallert (talk) 09:21, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, generally, we require a consensus to delete, otherwise we default to the status quo (ie keep the article). Although it's not strictly the way things are done, you could stick a PROD tag on it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:26, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong but adding a prod after the closing admin has found there's no consensus to delete is something I don't do. You're welcome to help out here ;) But my point was rather: Wasn't that a consensus? How many !voters would it need? --Pgallert (talk) 09:49, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It's not done strictly on a vote count (WP:NOTAVOTE, WP:CONSENSUS), but that AfD was too quiet for my liking. If an article is deleted as a result of an AfD, it will be speedy deleted if it's re-created (unlike processes like PROD or CSD) and the only way to overturn it is DRV, so we need a pretty strong consensus. Nobody really challenged any of the delete !votes, which is the best test of the strength of an argument, so I wasn't comfortable deleting it based on that and I'm told that we're not allowed to treat "no objection to deletion" as and expired PROD. You're welcome to renominate it or you can prod it with my blessing. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Protection question (templates)

Hi! I've just protected Template:2010 FIFA World Cup Group C (full, three days). Now... I was going to stick on a padlock ({{pp-protected|expiry=July 17, 2010}}) but it occurred to me that will show up on every page that uses the template. What's the best/usual/sensible way to proceed? TFOWR 10:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Magic! Also known as <noinclude></noinclude>! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and you probably want {{pp-dispute}}- it's more specific. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Aha! I knew that, honest! Anyhoo, it is done. Thanks! TFOWR 10:45, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

• The page is auto-tagging itself with pp-indef in the corner now. (Red padlock, which links to the policy for indef protection). I cannot see what is causing this anomaly, any ideas? Perhaps the template space just automatically assumes all protection is due to templates being high risk? --Taelus (Talk) 11:33, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

That's odd. I've seen it happen a few times, but only when I wanted it to. I suppose that's the price we pay for trying to be clever! It'll disappear in 3 days. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:37, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Yep, it's no big deal, but I am the kind of person who gets irritated by little things like that! I'm also one of those people that gets very curious about why such things would happen, since thats how we all learn ;) --Taelus (Talk) 11:43, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It's bugging me, though (I'm curious, too, for the same reason!) As far as I can see, {{pp-protected}} seems to behave the same (I looked at the template to see if there was any template magic going on). TFOWR 12:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Subtle Spam (not!)

William012 (talk · contribs) spamming was very 'subtle' wasn't it? NOT ! BTW you have been at 'it' for 19 hours(!) by my reckoning, don't forget to rest! The vandals will still be here when you get back! -- 220.101 (talk) ^\Contribs 11:21, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I've been on and off. I'm having another argument with my body clock! And yes, he was very subtle, inserting some crappy spam link into every article he could find. Erm, no. Blocked! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:24, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Contact Tournesol on Swedish Wikipedia

Hello! Could you have a English language talk with Tournesol on Swedish Wikipedia? He is an administrator on Swedish Wikipedia. I don't say that you have to speak Swedish with him, he knows English quite well too. You can look at his contributions on English Wikipedia (this Wikipedia). He wants to tell the administrators on EnWp (English Wikipedia) about my contributions on Swedish Wikipedia. His user page is here and his talk page is here. Heymid (talk) 13:56, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Adi Da Page

You (somewhat questionably) asked for another editor to sign off on a consensual edit. The only other (relatively) recently active editor did so. I requested you come back and make the edit. You haven't done so. Block is off the page tomorrow and I can do it, but I'd just like to say that its clear you've been active since my request (secretly archived somewhere I guess - where are your older talk posts?). You should have followed up, with a response at the very least.Tao2911 (talk) 14:29, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

My apologies, this talk page is very busy and anything older than 48 hours is automatically archived by a bot, so, depending on what time the bot archived it, your message is probably in User talk:HJ Mitchell/Archive 9 or User talk:HJ Mitchell/Archive 10. I apologise for not seeing your message, but I will take a look at the article, though I can't guarantee I'll be able to do anything. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Ahem

Here kitty, kitty. You might not appreciate Itatí Cantoral but your master might. And he might give a saucer of milk if he finds her picture. ----moreno oso (talk) 14:45, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. She's aesthetically pleasing, but doens't quite for it for me. Jennifer Morrison on the other hand... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:33, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Btw, whatever happened to those galleries we were trying to get transwikied? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:34, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Jennifer works for me. I found one earlier and will look for it after I save an AfD I'm working on. Galleries? What galleries? Focus man, Jennifer's out there. . . (I think another admin partially answer the question above)! ----moreno oso (talk) 20:14, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, so we agree on something! ;) The pretty galleries of flags that were supposed to go to Commons. Did you follow up on that? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:22, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

• (edit conflict)

Túrelio, who is an admin on both wikis, might be someone to ask. I thought it had been done. (INSERTED HERE: As per my previous message, I thought another admin had taken care of it as per above) Now, FOCUS. ----moreno oso (talk) 20:25, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

BTW, there's some shots of Cantoral in GHH that uh, er, ah - make me want to to church. Yeah, that's the ticket. Now focus. . .----moreno oso (talk) 20:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Cantoral is nice, see this one here , though Christina Hendricks does it for me. Terrible picture though, can't see her true assets, the second one is better but, (maybe NSFW) looky!, can't beat red hair!. --220.101 (talk) ^\Contribs 20:52, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Ooooh, a redhead. She is pretty. You can't beat a redhead! ;) 20:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Late q: How is that picture NSFW? Beautiful, though. {{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 09:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Just a quick question. Does the software allow for IP's to get rollback and edit semi-protcted pages ect and it's just that we don't let that happen or is it just impossible? If so then I want this IP to get these user rights....--White Shadows ^{stood on the edge} 21:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Off Topic! White Shadows and who forgot to sign? --220.101 (talk) ^\Contribs 21:10, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It's impossible, but if 220 creates himself an account, I'll confirm him and give him reviewer and rollback rights on the spot! Btw, I was about to come and see you- your article's getting a pelting from the peanut gallery on T:MP#DYK. makes a change- they're usually pelting me! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I"d also nom him for adminship in a month or two. However I'll have to make sure that it's 220 through CU first. As for those guys over at the MP, I've replied. Thanks HJ.--White Shadows ^{stood on the edge} 21:11, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

You'd can have co-nom, but I'm going to bluelink his RfA as soon as he creates an account! don't worry too much about T:MP- the atmosphere there is probably less healthy than at ANI! You get used to the peanut gallery and the armchair admins, though! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

AAAAAAaaaaaargh! What did I do to you guys, admin?? AAAAAAaaaaaargh! Im going to sleep, for a few hours anyway!--220.101 (talk) ^\Contribs 21:25, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It's not that bad. Well, it is. But at least you get to block those pesky vandals! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

220 for adminship? Oh, yes. I'll get to stalk another admin Davtra (talk) 23:40, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I seem to have quite a collection of stalkers! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:45, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Did I hear someone say there's a peep show here? ----moreno oso (talk) 23:48, 14 June 2010 (UTC)S

Here's the gal I promised. She's way too young for me but was in a delightful rendition of Cinderella. She basically matured on the show and went from teeny-bopper to um, er, adulthood! (Stop me if you've heard the next part) That's the ticket! Focus man!!! ----moreno oso (talk) 15:42, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

But she's not a redhead! Now 220's mentioned red hair it's all I can think about... ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Listen buddy, she wore wigs and was a redhead a couple of times. Plus, she wore GHH. ----moreno oso (talk) 15:50, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

She can sing, dance, tell jokes, looks great - and probably would be a keeper. ----moreno oso (talk) 15:52, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I thought you said she was too young for you! ;) She is pretty, though... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

That's kind of a pic with baby fat. You should her decked when she performs at at an award show. She sings on Celestial and looks okay there. The brunette would be my choice - forgot she had a pic. ----moreno oso (talk) 16:02, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Dawn Halfaker Deletion

I am shocked that you deleted this article.

How is this person considered anything less than notable?

She was featured on an HBO Special; she is a West Point and Southern California Basketball icon; the founder, President and CEO of a multi-million dollar consulting firm in Arlington; Vice-President of the Board at the Wounded Warrior Project; a member of several cabinet committees; and has been published more times than I can count.

All of this was noted and referenced in the article.

I urge you to PLEASE bring the page back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amattis (talk • contribs) 18:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

The article was deleted via the proposed deletion process- which means it was nominated for 7 days and nobody objected. However, the article can be restored if anybody objects to the deletion retrospectively, so if you;d like me to, I can restore it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:23, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, please restore the content. Thank you! I did not notice that this piece was nominated, only that it was deleted on 11June. Thanks again for your help!

Request at SVWP

Hello,

You (or someone who has registered an account with your name at SVWP) recently asked me to contact you.

If this is because of Heymid's request above, you might want to read the Heymid section of the Swedish equivalent of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard at http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:KAW (which is in Swedish, but Google Translate does a pretty good job) in which his case and permanent ban there have been discussed. Heymid has been causing a lot of trouble and work at SVWP, and most everyone agreed that he was deliberately wasting others people's time by asking irrelevant questions, making utterly pointless administrator nominations etc etc. He was trying to explain this by claiming that he is only thirteen years old and suffering from Asperger's syndrome, and that did buy him a bit of time and sympathy, but sometime in May we ran out of patience with this account, which to everyone except perhaps the most naïve was perceived as an obvious troll.

- Tournesol (talk) 19:18, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't request it, I simply just did it because Tournesol was suggesting that on SV:WP:KAW. (see section "Bör ENWP informeras om Heymids historia här?" on SV:WP:KAW.) Heymid (talk) 19:53, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Heymid, it's obvious to me that you have pissed a lot of people off on svWiki, so if you don't want me to block you on enWiki, I suggest you keep your head down and keep out of trouble. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:13, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Rollback rights for me

Hello, HJ Mitchell. You have new messages at Etrigan's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Etrigan (talk) 21:09, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

And for me..

Hello, HJ Mitchell. You have new messages at PimRijkee's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Best, Pim Rijkee (talk) 21:24, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Autoblock of TheSoftwareManiac

It looks like the original autoblock is still in place. There's an autoblock detector at http://toolserver.org/~eagle/autoblockfinder.php and it shows a block, expiring on the 15th, still in place. I can go ahead and clear it if you want me to. —C.Fred (talk) 22:18, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes please! Autoblocks are not exactly my area of speciality! Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:19, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I wanna say thanks as well =] Your #1 Man For Anything Techy Related! (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:02, 15 June 2010 (UTC).

Snob

Can you do me a favor and take a look at the last three diffs? I'd prefer not to link to the ones I think should be deleted, but I think you'll know them when you see them.---~TPW 23:45, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!--~TPW 23:55, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries, I'm about to flick off an email to Oversight. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:56, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Question, possibly none of my business

IS someone hassling you because of your block on BarkingFish? If so, let me know if I can help; that's a stupid thing to be hassling someone about. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:51, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Not that I've seen. I appreciate the offer- it's nice to know someone has my back, but I can handle myself. But I've not heard anything. I agree it's a totally daft thing to be hassling someone over, though. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:56, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

OK. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Could you take a look?

HJ, I'm worried I've messed something up on RfPP. I noticed today a large notice appeared when I went into edit mode on a particular request. The notice was generated by Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, and it was so long that it was hiding the response tags in the toolbox, so that when I was dealing with a particular request I was having to scroll back up to find the right tag.

I've fixed it temporarily by going into that template and shortening the text, so it now looks like this, instead of this, but that template hasn't been edited since December, so it must be that someone recently added it to RfPP. I can't find where that was done and how to undo it. Would you mind taking a look? SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 00:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, it's okay. It's to do with something that was changed on Meta, something to do with a bug, and that has caused a script incompatibility. But I think it's being sorted. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 06:02, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Double standard

You are attempting to establish a block history on me and your recent block was abusive and one-sided on several levels. First addressing your claim that I “appeared out of the blue” three weeks ago, that allegation is false. My first edit to the Deir Yassin article occurred on Feb 3 2010 [4] Second, the exact action that led to the instant block by you was made in precisely the same manner by Federico1234 here. Actually, his action was more egregious because it was an outright revert whereas, at least I introduced new, sourced material, never introduced before.[5] I also discussed it on the talk page before making the edit[6]. Strangely however, he was not blocked and no sanction was imposed. Also, the Discussion pages are filled with lengthy talk where I advanced arguments for my proposed edits and reached out to the “other side” in an attempt to reach compromise. No need to compile the many diffs too numerous to list, just have a look at the discussion page and Malik Shabaz's talk page. Typical responses were, “your source is too Jewish” or “too Israeli” or he’s an “Israeli propagandist” and so on. When I found sources that were “Judenrein,” they came back with nonsense like, “he writes children’s books” or he’s “not a historian.” Nothing I said made any difference. Then you blocked me but left the other editors who reverted me unmolested, even though they took an active role in the edit war, weeks prior. What a double standard if I ever saw one. As far as my other block that occurred nearly a year ago, that happened when I was still new to wikipedia and wet behind the ears. I was not familiar with 3R but learned quickly.

Deir Yassin was a controversial battle (every IP topic is controversial but this one more so) during Israel’s war of independence. There were Arab civilian casualties but there were also Arab combatants who were killed. Moreover, there were many reasons, documented by notable historians, why the civilian death toll was so high but certain editors are preventing me from listing them. They are also preventing me from noting that Arab combatants were among those killed by the Israelis. Thus far, there have been over 20 edits made by 4 like-minded editors since you blocked me. But I’m to sit passively on the sidelines while I watch an article turn into cheap anti-Israel propaganda. What the hell do you want me to do!?--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 02:39, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

It is probably not best to go after your blocked and later unblocking admin. I would blank this and move along onto something. Notice the Random Article button at the left, click and edit something new. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 02:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not going after anyone. I played by the rules and still got blocked. Others acted in a similar or more egregious manner and nothing happened. I don't care about myself. I care about the integrity of the article.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 03:00, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I think you should forget about the article and move on. That seems to be the problem. Just find a new article to work on, something not in the same category. I recommend trying out the random article button on the left (also linked above) and find something neat and new to work on. Ya never know, you might find something you like. But at present, if you keep pushing the article you want, you are likely to get blocked again and probably indef. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 03:36, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

HJ. I’ve cooled down a bit from yesterday. I still strongly and vociferously maintain the above-stated views but probably would not have written them today. I’ll refrain from editing Deir Yassin for the remainder of the week and confine my comments, if any, to the Talk page. After that, I’ll continue to edit the article in a manner consistent with 3R. I’ll try to seek consensus but given the contentious subject matter, I seriously doubt I’ll have any luck.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 14:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

WP:AAGF is a nice essay that I think applies to both of us here. Trust me blocking people is not something I enjoy doing and don't do unless I feel it's absolutely necessary. The best advice I can offer you is to follow WP:BRD as much as possible and avoid getting into edit wars. NeutralHomer's advice above is also good- if you feel yourself getting stressed, click special:Random and take a few minutes off, then return in a clearer frame of mind- there's no deadline and, as great as Wikipedia is, it's not worth your sanity! Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:53, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Long time no see...

Hey. I haven't been able to speak with you since a long time ago. Would you mind commenting on Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Taylor Swift discography/archive2? -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 03:09, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Delete please?

Could you delete this page for me? ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come yell at me!)} 04:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

And this. Thank you. ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come yell at me!)} 04:59, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello there...HJ seems to be offline (probably asleep) right now. If this is something that needs to be done immediately, you might want to ask another admin or if you feel comfortable, post it on WP:ANI, that will get a response immediately. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 04:59, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Not urgent. Just want it done sometime. ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come yell at me!)} 05:33, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Okie Dokie. He is in England, so he should be back online in about 5 or 6 hours, give or take. Take Care...NeutralHomer • Talk • 05:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I already knew that. :) I'm an evil stalker. ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come yell at me!)} 05:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done Regards, TPS of many TPs. :) – B.hotep •talk• 07:29, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the upgrade!

Is that regarding this: Wikipedia:Reviewing? --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 10:20, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. It is indeed. It shouldn't have much affect on your day to day editing, but you might want to have a good read of that page and some of the other pages to get to know what it does. I believe there'll be project pages you can test it out on when it goes live, if it isn't already. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:50, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

User:Sentinel R

Apropos of our earlier chat...

Sentinel R (talk · contribs · count) ...is making me very happy ;-) I've been going through their recent (post-unblock) edits - no WP:COPYVIO concerns. They've even followed my advice and joined a WikiProject! TFOWR 12:50, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Excellent. Glad to see it's working out. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:59, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Philippines

Hope you don't mind the semi-protection. The page was semi-protected beforehand. Elockid ^(Talk) 15:17, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, fair enough. I batch protected everything on a template per RfPP and didn't notice that article was on it! :S HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:19, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Permissions

Hey, thanks again for granting me Rollback privileges. I have another question... I see there is a "researcher" privilege, and this privilege lets people see deleted edits. I often find myself needing to see deleted pages while patrolling. How do I go about getting that? (no talkback required, I'm watching.) — Timneu22 · talk 15:28, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

There is, but it's not granted by admins. I think it's a WMF thing. You'd have a better chance at requesting adminship. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:33, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll answer that, if I may! The 'researcher' group was created in April 2010 to allow individuals explicitly approved by the Wikimedia Foundation to search deleted pages and view deleted history entries without their associated text. At the moment, only one person has been given this right (see here), and as far as I am aware, no other researchers are likely to be created in the foreseeable future. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 15:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Mmph. Frankly I don't care to be an admin here. Oh well. Thanks for the reply. — Timneu22 · talk 15:36, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

That's interesting. What's the point of creating a right and giving it to one person? If they're WMF-approved, why not make 'em an admin or a steward? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Something to do with a survey. [7] Probably just a one off. – B.hotep •talk• 15:46, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Odd. It looks like some permission was just granted to me, but I dunno what it does! :) — Timneu22 · talk 15:47, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I just gave you reviewer. ;) See WP:Reviewing- it's for the flagged revs trial that starts later on. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

• Check out Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions#Script for easy granting of reviewer, HJ. –xeno^talk 16:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for the link, Xeno! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:46, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

User:Redmustang03

Despite discussions from Talk:Edward Elric, the user keeps adding unsourced information to the other articles Alphonse Elric and Winry Rockbell. Note that he is not participating within it and just giving arguments in the edit summaries.Tintor2 (talk) 16:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I've left the a stern warning. Hopefully that will be sufficient. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Bloody Sunday Inquiry

Might this need protecting from moves as well as Bloody Sunday (1972)? Thank you. O Fenian (talk) 16:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done Just in case anyone get any ideas! Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Question

Hypothetically, if someone made the edit "2+2=5" somewhere it would be inappropriate, let's say in the mathematics article, even if it had a consensus and verifiable, reliable, neutral references, would it be ok to edit war if necessary to revert it, if all other options in trying to fix it were exhausted? I'm at that point now with an issue i'm on it feels like, this is the first time it's happened to me in my 4,200+ edits now, and i'm not sure what to do now. Do I let the encyclopedia be just a little bit worse and cut my losses? Do I risk being blocked in order to do what I think would help the encyclopedia? I know i'm thinking about it too much, but still, on the grander scale of things in terms of wiki-philosophy, I'm wondering what you thought. Doc Quintana (talk) 17:10, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, the best thing to do would be to find counter-sources to say that 2+2 really =4 and make your case on the talk page, but without specifics (you can email me if you want) that's the best I can do. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:14, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I have to jam. Basically they do test or nusance edits. All have variants of JBJ, his name and do the same type edits.----moreno oso (talk) 18:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

L2's from "add request"

It annoys me too but it does more good than harm. What is really needed is an inputbox type that can take parameters and those parameters can apply to both the section header and the section body. I can think of another way to do it as well if we use use a different inputbox type, let me futz with it. –xeno^talk 17:28, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Have fun- I'll just smile politely and pretend I know what you're talking about. ;) My markup skills are atrocious! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer Permissions

I seem to have a habit of making these topics don't I? Well, I just wanted to say thanks for the reviewer permissions. Vedant (talk) 18:07, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:08, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Mistake?

This? Happy to be trusted, but I'm not that regular an editor, and didn't ask for this. N-HH talk/edits 18:10, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Do you want me to remove it? It's not a mistake- it's being given out to all trustworthy editors for the flagged revs trial, but if you don't want it, it's 3 clicks to remove it. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:12, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Me? Trusted? You don't know what you've done ... Anyway, no harm in having it I guess, even if I'm unlikely to end up doing much with it. Thanks. N-HH talk/edits 18:17, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Jon Bon Jovi

Could you look at the history of Jon Bon Jovi? I think a sock is present. The present editor working the article may be User:Jbalexsilva trying to evade a block or further warnings. There is also another suspicious editor with a similar name: User:Jon bon Diem. I've been working on an article and have to leave for a while. I popped my head out to see my Watchlist and noticed this immediately. Could you look into it? ----moreno oso (talk) 18:13, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Could be, but I notice Jbalexsilva was only changing 120 to 200, while this new guy is changing other things. You could file an SPI... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:17, 15 June 2010 (UTC)