User talk:Kmusser

Welcome! This is the best place to ask questions about my maps or to make requests. Questions about sources might already be answered on my data sources page. I do make mistakes, if you find one I've made let me know here and I'll attempt to fix it promptly. I'm much more likely to see messages left here than on individual map talk pages.

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MIA map

Great work on the MIA map. Based on the latest route map, it is missing Amsterdam/AMS, Berlin/TXL, Brasilia/BSB, Cayman Brac/CYB, Gainesville/GNV, Monterrey/MTY and Moscow/DME.

Based on November 2010 timetable, MIA map is missing: MTY (Monterrey, Mexico); DME (Moscow-Domodeovo); TXL (Berlin-Tegel); GNV (Gainesville); CYB (Cayman Brac); and BSB (Brasilia). Keep up the good work!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.136.119 (talk) 11:30, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

The map you have for MIA destinations is great, but it is missing two: Knoxville, Tenn. (the dot is there, but no airport code) and Recife, Brazil (flown by AA).

Keep up the good work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thatthat (talk • contribs) 22:37, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Done, thanks for catching that. Recife was listed in the AA timetable with a stop, but when I went to try booking it was shown as a non-stop so I've added it. Kmusser (talk) 14:46, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Next time you get around to updating the MIA map, newest additions are Aeromexico to Monterrey (June 28th, AeroMexico); Brasilia (October 1st, American); and Moscow-DME (October 3rd, Transaero). It also missing Cayman Brac, which Cayman Airways now serves non-stop once a week since April 17th.

Everglades article needs a better map

Hey, Kmusser. Problem with helping people is that people will always ask for help...

I wrote several articles for the Everglades, including the main one.

I don't know how well you know the geography of the Everglades, but the map at the top of the article is lacking. My admittedly poor graphic skills cannot fix this. To do the region justice, the following items should be shown:

• Label Miami and the outline of the South Florida Metropolitan Area
• Label Fort Myers
• Label the Ten Thousand Islands
• Label the Kissimmee River Chain of Lakes
• Label Lake Okeechobee
• Label Florida Bay
• Label the Atlantic Ocean
• Label the Gulf of Mexico
• Label the regions set by the Central and Southern Florida Flood Control Project, the Everglades Agricultural Area, and Everglades National Park
• Label Big Cypress National Preserve or call it the Big Cypress Swamp

I realize this is a lot of info for a top image of 300 px wide. The map that is used now has space in the Gulf of Mexico to create a key as I don't think words will be able to fit so they can be read without clicking on the image. Other helpful images that may give single boundaries can be found in Geography and ecology of the Everglades, Draining and development of the Everglades, Restoration of the Everglades, and Everglades National Park.

No rush. Let me know if you have questions or can't do it for whatever reason. I appreciate your time. --Moni3 (talk) 16:05, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I can do that, I was even thinking of doing one back when I was doing the Florida rivers but never got around to it, and I think I already have most of the data I'd need. I'll do a new one rather than modify the existing one, I think it's kind of nice to have the satellite image uncluttered by a bunch of labels, but the article does need a more general map to actually locate stuff - will zoom in a bit more than the existing one. Kmusser (talk) 17:42, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Making progress, I should have a map for you next week - one question, I don't have the Central and Southern Florida Flood Control Project boundary, but do have one for the South Florida Water Management District that replaced it, but the boundary did change, should I try to get the historical one on there too or just the current boundary? Kmusser (talk) 16:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The C&SF Project may have merged with the SFWMD. If it makes it any clearer, Water Conservation Areas (WCAs) 1 (also the Loxohatchee Nat'l Wildlife Refuge), 2, 3 north, and 3 south should be mapped. This image might help. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Yep, already got those, although I wasn't planning on labeling the individual WCAs - I haven't done any of the labeling yet so I'll see if I have room.

btw, nice job on the Amazing Grace article, found it a fascinating read. Kmusser (talk) 17:13, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Draft done, comments welcome. Biggest thing I purposely left off is roads, could potentially squeeze them in, but the map was getting very busy even without them. For canals just tried to get the biggest in, if I included them all the map would be covered with them. Anything else that should really be labeled? Or any of the labels on there gratuitous? I've would've liked to label the reservations, but I don't think they'll fit. Kmusser (talk) 18:37, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Forgive me for my enthusiasm, but dude, this is AWESOME! Very, very cool! I have no suggestions. I think I'm going to put it in the article right now. Thank you very, very much! --Moni3 (talk) 16:05, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome :-) I am pleased with how it turned out so glad you like it. Kmusser (talk) 16:19, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for helping me with the new Black Bear Range Map! Tim1357 (talk) 22:44, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. Kmusser (talk) 16:19, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Map question

Is it possible to make a map similar to File:Brunswick, New York Map 2.svg to replace File:Brunswick New York School Districts.png? You would need school district boundaries listed in your GIS, so I was wondering if you do? Your maps are extremely professional, while the one that needs replacing is a crappy one automatically produced by the Census, which looks yucky. If you can do it, I'd like to see town/city names, district names, and major roadways for context (the same ones listed in File:Brunswick, New York Map 2.svg). upstateNYer 17:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I do not have NY school districts in a GIS format (they are out there, but their use restrictions aren't compatible with Wikipedia), so it would be a matter of dragging one of the existing maps into Photoshop and hand drawing them on there. Kmusser (talk) 23:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Their use restrictions are limited by copyright? Aren't borders and municipal lines public domain by default? Anyway, I'd also like to use it for a book I'm putting together. Would I have to get permission from the software developer of your GIS system? upstateNYer 01:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

borders are public domain, but graphical representations of them and specifically GIS data are protected by copyright - in the U.S. all Federal data is public domain, but state and local government data is not, you'd need permission from the provider of the data - in that case it's Rensselaer County and they've released it under a non-commercial use license. You can still draw the borders based on a text description or copying a map published in a public document, but using their data directly would be a violation - the county is who you'd ask for an exemption.Kmusser (talk) 01:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate your insight. But really... meh. How annoying. upstateNYer 02:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

		The Multiple Barnstar
		For your outstanding work on the large request of mapwork I made at the Graphics Lab, I award you the Graphic Designer's Barnstar and the Cartographer's Barnstar. Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 20:30, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind that the Cartographer's Barnstar is just a repackaged Main Page barnstar, but I couldn't find a barnstar with a map background! Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 20:30, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Favor / request

A waterfall for you

Hi Karl, I recall seeing you had access to stream lengths via a database and your mapping software. I had a favor and a question to ask.

The favor is would you be able to find the lengths for Kitchen Creek (Pennsylvania) and its tributaries (almost entirely in Fairmount Township, in Luzerne County)? I have some data on watershed area and river miles for the four named tributaries (Shingle Cabin Br., Maple Spring Br., Boston Run and Crooked Creek) but no lengths. I would also be really interested to know the lengths of the unnamed branches in Ganoga Glen - see Waterfalls in Ricketts Glen State Park.

The question is, would I be able to access this same information with free GIS software? If so, do you know (or are you able to reccommend) which programs? I would like to be able to get this data, but do not have the software. Thanks as always, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:07, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll do the query when I get a free moment (I need to download the data), as for the GIS question - yes you can. We have a List of GIS software that includes several free options, I haven't used any of them except GRASS and that was ages ago so not sure which to recommend. I've also heard good things about Global Mapper, it's not free, but you can get a free trial version. Also if you're planning on just doing data queries and not necessarily make maps you could probably get away with Arc Explorer. Stream lengths I was getting out of the National Hydrography Dataset - data page is at http://nhd.usgs.gov/data.html - I've found it easiest to get to the data via ftp to ftp://nhdftp.usgs.gov/ and then to the /SubRegions/High/FileGDB/ folder and grab the appropriate folder (you need to know the 4-digit HUC of the subregion you want, a list of those is at http://water.usgs.gov/GIS/huc.html). Those are in an Arc Geodatabase format, I'm not sure which of the free GIS programs can read that, the NHD data page also references the data being available in shapefiles, which would open in any GIS, I'm not sure where those are though, might need to do some digging. GIS does have a bit of a learning curve to it, but doing queries is fairly easy and works like it does in most database software, the NHD has both a length field and and a name field, so for named streams you can select where name = X and add up the lengths (though beware multiple streams with the same name), unnamed streams are a little trickier as you have to select the individual line segments that make up the stream and then add up the lengths. As an aside, if you do want to try some map making the National Atlas has most of the data you would need - they have streams data as well, but it doesn't go down to the level of detail that the NHD does. Kmusser (talk) 18:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Further pondering, for specifically getting at the data in the NHD I'm thinking Arc Explorer is the way to go, it'll definitely read the Geodatabases and is probably easier to use than a full-fledged GIS. Kmusser (talk) 21:34, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Kitchen Creek lengths, the NHD linework matches what you have in File:Ricketts Glen State Park Waterfalls Base Map Labels.png so I'll reference that. Kitchen Creek itself is 17.087 km and includes the section through Glen Leigh and Lake Leigh. Tribs: Maple Run = 8.368 km (that's downstream of the park); Crooked Creek = 2.891 km; Boston Run = 1.933 km; Maple Spring Brook = 1.933; Shingle Cabin Brook = 1.39 km. None of the tribs in Ganoga Glen are labeled, but from Waters Meet to Lake Rose is 1.906 km, from Lake Rose to Lake Jean is .549 km, from Lake Jean to Ganoga Lake is 1.343 - if that's all one stream, including the lengths through the lakes it would be 5.496 km. This 1st subtrib (joining near Mohican Falls) is 1.58 km, the 2nd subtrib (joining at Lake Rose) is 1.718 km. The topo map also shows another subtrib joining at Lake Rose, but that's not in the NHD. Kmusser (talk) 20:03, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much - that was very quick and much appreciated. Here's a photo of the waterfall at the mouth of the unnamed subtrib near Mohican Falls as a small token of gratitude. Now I have to learn how to do this too and appreciate all the advice. The map I made is taken from the Census map site, although I reduced the size of Lake Rose based on aerial photos and the PA DCNR map. I have one final question, does the dataset give the distance on the main stem from source to Waters Meet (or from the mouth to Waters Meet, either would work)? Thanks again, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 21:59, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes for Kitchen Creek the portion upstream from Waters Meet is 5.283 km, leaving 11.804 km from there to the mouth. The other possible division if you want it, Ganoga Glen from Waters Meet to that 1st subtrib is .629 km. Kmusser (talk) 22:07, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks yet again - will use all this in the Kitchen Creek article and some in the Waterfalls article. I will try Arc Explorer too. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:11, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

If you need any help interpreting the NHD data just let me know, those files have a ton of info in them, most of which you probably won't need. Streams lengths are in a table/layer called NHD Flowline. Kmusser (talk) 20:02, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Lactose Intolerance

Another favor? Can you source your lactose intolerance map data? Is it based on the scientific literature? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blake.gillespie (talk • contribs) 18:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

It's based on the article, the sources are the articles sources. Kmusser (talk) 19:58, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

File:Haiti_Erdbeben_120110.jpg

Hello. In the map File:Haiti_Erdbeben_120110.jpg, the epicentre of the quake is placed about 10 km east of the location given by the USGS (18.457°N, 72.533°W). I'm not sure why this is the case but it may be due to an update of the USGS coordinates that came after the creation of the first map. This should be fixed in some way because the various maps in the 2010 Haiti earthquake article give conflicting info. Pichpich (talk) 19:04, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I didn't make the map so don't have an original, I just overwrote the German text - unfortunately due to the file format the epicenter would be hard to move, you'd have a hole in the topology where it's currently marked - you're probably better off just dropping the image. Should probably make a note of the error on the image description page as well. Kmusser (talk) 02:00, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Try contacting the uploader of the image as well - I don't know if they made it themselves or found it on some website. Kmusser (talk) 02:03, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Map request

I was hoping you'd be able to help me out again. Could you create a map of Germany that shows the Rhine, Main, and Neckar Rivers? upstateNYer 03:10, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Is it for a specific article? Some context will help. Kmusser (talk) 14:41, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

It will eventually be at History of Brunswick, New York. I will be adding coloring to show where the German Palatines used to live in the early 1700s. Basically, I need to see today's national borders with those three rivers labeled. upstateNYer 22:26, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

And, naturally, the obvious thing I didn't think of would be to add it to German Palatines itself. upstateNYer 23:50, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I uploaded a draft map at file:Palatines rivers map.png, is that what you had in mind? Anything else you want labeled on there or labels taken off. I do have city locations and German state boundaries available if needed. Kmusser (talk) 22:47, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Another version with state boundaries would be great. If you can make the state borders grey or with low opacity that would be better. They're more for reference than anything else. And could you use Arial as the font for all the labels? Otherwise, looks great and I thank you very much for the help. upstateNYer 22:53, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Done. Kmusser (talk) 19:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

More Catskills river requests

1. Esopus Creek now that I'm bringing that article up to speed with a pic and geobox.

1. Beaver Kill and Willowemoc Creek, now that I've added a pic and geobox to the former and someone went and created the latter.

1. In that vein, how about creating a closeup map of the two upper branches of the Delaware (since, again, I've recently upgraded East Branch Delaware River with a pic and geobox)? Daniel Case (talk) 16:05, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, do you have stream length and full watershed area for these rivers, as UpstateNYer's query above seems to suggest? Only for the Beaver Kill and East Branch have I gotten a full length, and there is nowhere online where anyone gives a full drainage area. Daniel Case (talk) 16:08, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'm not sure when I'll get to them, but they're on the list. I can looks up stream lengths (for streams in the NHD which is almost everything), but it doesn't have drainage areas. For larger watersheds there is a nice source at http://water.usgs.gov/GIS/huc_name.html, but those are all below the size covered there. Kmusser (talk) 16:14, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Lengths for you, Esopus Creek = 105.65 km; Beaver Kill = 72.92 km; Willowmoc Creek = 44.19 km; East Branch Delaware = 121.91 km; West Branch Delaware = 140.92 km. All numbers are sourced to the National Hydrography Dataset (http://nhd.usgs.gov/index.html). Kmusser (talk) 22:34, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Esopus Creek is done, File:Esopusrivermap.png. Kmusser (talk) 18:47, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

The rest are done, I made a multi-purpose headwaters of the Delaware map File:Delaware headwaters map.png that should serve for the others. I don't have drainage basin boundaries smaller than that. Kmusser (talk) 21:32, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

just curious

I noticed on your user page you have a mini flag for places you've been. I was just wondering that you have a Welsh flag for Wales a Scottish flag for Scotland and a Union Flag for am i right to assume England?. I have a mini English flag if you want. Cheers.--English Bobby (talk) 00:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Looks like I just missed including England - I have been there :-) Added. Kmusser (talk) 19:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Can I get a redo?

A while ago you made maps per this request...well, evidently I goofed, because User:Nyttend informs me that unincorporated communities cannot have definite boundaries and that on my sources it said "all information from unverified records", calling into question their reliability. Do you think you could redo the maps replacing the unincorporated communities (Mentor, Falun, Glendale, Hedville, Bavaria, Kipp, Bridgeport) with red dots rather than boundaries, similar to File:Maricopa County Incorporated and Planning areas Tonopah location.svg? This would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance, Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 22:07, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Circulator DC map

I am the developer of an iPhone app and I am wondering if you would be alright with me using your Circulator DC map inside of my app? Thanks a lot. Jrbapps (talk) 03:00, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Sure, check it against the official site though and make sure there haven't been any changes since I made it. Kmusser (talk) 03:02, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Burmese townships

HI. Who should I ask to get somebody to create a blank map of Burma showing township dividers like File:Sierra Leone chiefdoms.png using this as a basis? If somebody can create a blank map for me like the sierra leone one I promise I'll create township locator maps for all of them. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ^ΨMonastery 23:02, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Ask at the Map Workshop or it's equivalent on the German wiki which I think has more cartographers than we do. Kmusser (talk) 03:29, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

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Charles River Map Needs Correction

The map of the Charles River you created, and which is included in the Charles River page, does not appear to be correct. It bypasses a large section that passes through Milford and Bellingham. I confirmed the path with the USGS map and the definition of the watershed via the Charles River Watershed association. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.186.168.220 (talk) 12:56, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that, I should have it fixed shortly. Kmusser (talk) 14:29, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Now new and improved. Kmusser (talk) 15:58, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Barrios of Ponce map Request

I thank you for taking my Barrios of Ponce map request. I was thrilled to know it's going to get done. To me getting maps done via a computer is a real mystery! If there is --anything-- I can do to help, please let me know.

I noticed you said you would work on the base map, and then added I might then look at template powered solution for highlighting the individual barrios. Let me be totally honest here, I have no clue what that means or where to start. One thing I can offer is my time and dedication. In exchange, (and in preparation for learning my part) if you would be so kind as to point me in the direction of where the template you allude to is located that would be great! I don't mind spending the time performing repetitive task of filling in with a yellow color the boundaries for each of the 31 barrios...hopefully it will be something like what I have done in Photoshop where I fill in with color of my choice the boundaries of a closed geometric figure with the click of the mouse. Again, if I sound totally lost, then it's because I am. Could you then point me in the direction of where I can get started with the template in question? Thanks! Mercy11 (talk) 01:33, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Your original plan of making a map for each Barrio will still work fine. The alternative of using a template is done for many of the more basic locator maps on wikipedia. The idea is that a bunch of articles can share the same map and elements like dots or labels can be added on top via a template. For examples take some time to browse Category:Dynamic_map_templates. If you went this route you'd probably just mark the Barrio of interest with a pin rather than filling it in. I actually haven't done much with the templates directly, if you want to experiment with them User:Ruhrfisch may be able to help. I should have a map for you today or tomorrow, it will probably be SVG, so you may want to download Inkscape if you don't already have it. Kmusser (talk) 16:08, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, map went quicker than I thought - you can find it at File:Ponce barrios map.svg. If you do just want to fill in the polygons it works the same in Inkscape as it does in Photoshop - just zoom in first, I don't know why the zoom level affects the polygon fill in Inkscape but it does. A couple of map notes, the island is part of Playa. The little sliver in the center-right of the map is part of Sabanetas. Kmusser (talk) 16:55, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

• Awesome. I just have a question: The Sabanetas "sliver" is news to me. Never heard of such thing. I don't see it shown here [1], here [2], nor here [3]. Can you remove that to make this map consistent with the other three? Thanks. Mercy11 (talk) 01:58, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Got it, looks like an error in the Census source, I fudged the border to get rid of it. Kmusser (talk) 02:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

• I will use the yellow highlighting method. Already have Inkscape. My plan is to download a copy of your map into my pc. Then make 31 copies of it, w/31 different names (the names of the barrios). Then use Inkscape to fill in the ward borders with the yellow color. And finally upload them to wikipedia commons...However, I cannot select Machuelo Arriba and Sabanetas wards for coloring. There must be something locking them. Any ideas? Thanks Mercy11 (talk) 03:02, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Checked it out, looks ok. The wards aren't defined as polygons, the borders are just individual lines, but you can still fill them, you don't need to select anything. Pick the paint bucket, choose your color, zoom it to the polygon you want, and then click anywhere inside the polygon and it should fill. The zooming in is important, should be at least 200% to fill properly, if it fills more than it should, undo and zoom in further.

• Kmusser, I have colored 29 wards, but the other two (Machuelo Arriba and Sabanetas) I cannot color. Here is the process I use in Inkscape: (1)Launch Inkscape (2)File>Open>Select one of the .svg files from my PC, say, Ponce_barrios_map (01Anon).svg, (3)Click on the second of the options on the left hand side, to change the pointer to the "Edit paths by nodes" pointer, (4)Click inside the area delimetered by the borders of barrio Anon (the borders of Anon will show squares at the end points of all straight lines on the borders) (5)Expand the window so the color palette across the bottom of the window will be visible (6)Click on color RED (or yellow or whatever) (the area gets filled with the red color) (7) File>Close>Save. (8) Now the file is ready for upload to Wikipedia Commons (I haven't done this step yet (only for Anon - see below), pending our fixing of the Machuelo Arriba/Sabanetas problem.) Do you have a different process? Following your process above, I never see what you call a paint "bucket". Anyway, my procedure worked beautifully (and quick!) for all 29 wards...taking only about 20 min. for all 29 wards. In the meantime I have added the map to the Anon ward for your perusal. (I decided to color all wards in red - it stands out better than yellow.) They look good to me. Please advise on how to get Machuelo Arriba and Sabanetas colored. BTW, I noticed that the Anon ward, onced colored, does not appear to be within the municipality of Ponce. I think this will also be true for all the other wards that are located at the outer edges of the munnicipality. Perhaphs you might want to consider drawing the border around the municipality in a thicker black line to better differentiate the Ponce municipality from the neighboring barrios of outlaying municipalities and from the neigboring municipalities themselves. Sorry about the length of this, but I wanted to get it right and avoid confusion. Thanks! Mercy11 (talk) 03:59, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, at the risk of making you redo your work, I've uploaded a new and improved basemap. I went and fixed the Machuelo Arriba/Sabanetas issue in the source Census Bureau file, so that should be fixed in the SVG now. Also added a bold border for Ponce itself which should look better. As for your process I'd stick with what you're doing, the paint bucket is the 5th tool from the bottom along the left side, but I think your method actually gets a nicer result than what I was suggesting. Kmusser (talk) 17:20, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

No problem! I was finally able to return to complete the project (and you can click on any of the 31 Barrio names to see the results!), though I had tested it with Sabanetas first to make sure your new map did in fact solve the problem. It did!!! Your work was awesome, and I want to THANK YOU for working with me on this so tirelessly.

Something odd happened, though, with the new map for barrio Anon, which would not let me color it. But after many tries, I gave up and used your Bucket method instead; it worked! So barrio Anon's map looks different from the others (a yellow border around the red).

Finally just wanted to point out that that I had left out one important note in my list of steps above -- the result to be expected after performing step 6. For completion, and for the record, I edited there adding that after step 6 is done, that's when the area gets filled with the red color. But obviously you had figure that out before. Thanks again! Mercy11 (talk) 20:09, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Great, I don't know what the deal with Anon was - I went in and was able to take out that yellow border, but I could not select the barrio boundary either. I think it looks ok though. Let me know if you're planning on doing more like these - the files I downloaded were for all of Puerto Rico, so similar maps for other municipios wouldn't be hard to do. Kmusser (talk) 13:03, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Wow! I hadn't read this response before...someow I missed it yet it was sitting here for a week. Great, and thanks for the offer. I do have a question/request,,,but since it is related to the Municipalities map, I'll post there. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 23:31, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Map request

I was wondering if it's possible to create a map detailing all the sub-watersheds in Dutchess County, New York? There are six, near as I can tell (Hudson River, Roeliff Jansen Kill, Wappinger Creek, Fishkill Creek, Ten Mile River, and Croton River). –Juliancolton | ^Talk 03:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean the streams themselves or the sub-watershed boundaries? I have the streams, can definitely do Roeliff Jansen and Croton as I was looking at them earlier today. I don't actually have the sub-watershed boundaries, for New York they've only been digitized to the watershed level. For individual stream maps I've been fudging it by hand drawing in divides around the outermost tribs of the given stream, but I'm not sure that would work for multiple basins on the same map as the boundaries won't match up exactly. Kmusser (talk) 03:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Either one would be excellent, actually. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 04:30, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

New maps made for Roeliff Jansen and Croton. Wappinger and Fishkill were already done. Hudson I didn't do, that sub-watershed is a catch all for the tiny streams that drain directly to the Hudson and my data is pretty sketchy for the really small streams. Ten Mile still on the to do list. Also I noted to User:Daniel Case, but I'll mention it to you too - I made a map for Catskill Creek not realizing it didn't have an article - if you're feeling inspired it could use somewhere to go :-) Kmusser (talk) 19:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Ten Mile done as well. Kmusser (talk) 20:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Those look great so far, thanks! I'll look into creating an article on the Catskill Creek, assuming Daniel hasn't already done so. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Donner Party

I have an article cooking in a sandbox that I think will need a map. I don't know how challenging this will be for you. I hope no more than the Everglades map, which by the way, exceeds the limits of coolness. At any rate, a map, hopefully, should be able to show the following:

• The Oregon Trail (good source here)
• Fort Bridger/Blacks Fork, Wyoming
• California Trail
• Hastings Cutoff (a series of maps can be found in the GoogleBooks edition of Ordeal by Hunger. If you cannot see this because of GoogleBooks, I'll scan the pages and email them to you).
• Wasatch Mountains
• Great Salt Lake
• Great Salt Lake Desert
• Ruby Mountains
• Humboldt River
• Truckee River
• Truckee Lake
• Donner Pass (although I don't think it can be called Donner Pass to be accurate)
• Bear Valley
• Sierra Nevada
• Sutter's Fort

Not necessary, but if it can fit, would be cool:

• Fort Laramie, Wyoming
• Little Sandy River

Whatever you can do would be cool. I'm working on the prose now, so there's no rush. Thanks! --Moni3 (talk) 13:27, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I think that's doable, will need to check, but I think I even already have the trails digitally. I sort of assume Donner Pass had another name before the Donner Party made it famous and using the original name would be better if you can find it - I'll look too. Kmusser (talk) 17:53, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

It was Frémont Pass, I think. I appreciate your skills more than you know! --Moni3 (talk) 19:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Can you take a quick look at the map at [4] and see if it looks right compared to other sources you may have? I do indeed have the trails digitally thanks to the NPS, but they aren't labeled and I'm thinking of using that map as a source for how to label the trails (though I wouldn't include all of them that are on there, I'd simplify, plus add Oregon). Also, because I had a little trouble finding it - Little Sandy River on modern maps is Little Sandy Creek, if you want to link it I'd use Little Sandy Creek (Wyoming). Kmusser (talk) 17:19, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

And after hunting for it, it doesn't look like Donner Pass had a previous name, Frémont did cross at the same point, but I couldn't find any evidence that it was ever named for him, looks like it was unnamed until after the disaster. The GNIS entry doesn't list any alternate or historical names for it and it usually does if there are any. Kmusser (talk) 17:40, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

The linked map is more detailed than any of the ones in my sources, so I would go with yours. The Donner Party took the Hastings Cutoff, so that's the primary feature that needs to be included, esp. compared to the California Trail. One of my sources gives the Fremont Pass name, but all of them are inconsistent with the use of contemporary names (Truckee Lake or Donner Lake, for instance). I'm trying to use the names in the article that were accurate during the winter of 1846 - 1847, but I understand if that can't be complete if the pass simply wasn't named at the time. For the sake of ease, you might just want to call it Donner Pass, although it certainly won't be accurate to 1846. I appreciate what you're doing. Let me know if you have any other questions. --Moni3 (talk) 17:49, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, sources I've found use wording like "the pass that would come to be known Donner Pass" or something similar which I find awkward, for the map I will just use Donner Pass for simplicity. There is also a Fremont Pass nearby (crossing to the north of Pyramid Lake on the NV side) with which it could be confused. Kmusser (talk) 18:01, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Also I found that map I linked to was made by NPS (original source at http://www.nps.gov/cali/planyourvisit/upload/CALImap1-web.pdf) so it would count as a reliable source if you want to use anything off of it.

Sweet. I don't know what I might be able to cite from it, but it's good to know it's there. --Moni3 (talk) 20:37, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Map of the route taken by the Donner Party

Done, check it out. Only real problem I had was with Truckee Lake, which is too small to show up at that scale, I saw you already had it on the detail map so left it off this one. If you wanted I could crop it just east of Ft. Bridger chopping off Ft. Laramie and the Sandy's which would allow the rest of the route a little more detail. Kmusser (talk) 13:28, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		I already gave you a barnstar for your efforts on a map in St. Johns River, but I don't care. You are a mad pimp, and you did this incredible map for Donner Party. You are awesome. Moni3 (talk) 13:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

I shall yoink your map and place it in the sandbox. I hope to have the article copied over into mainspace in a few days. Many, many thanks!! --Moni3 (talk) 13:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Would it be possible to show the dividing of the trail at Little Sandy? There were many alternate routes to that bend through Ft. Bridger, but the separation of the trail at Little Sandy is important in the Donner Party article as that is where they separated from the larger group (who never went through Ft Bridger). Sadly, I don't know where the larger train reconnected with the illustrated trail, but I can try to find out. Yomangani^talk 15:32, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

They took the Sublette-Greenwood Cutoff (shown on the NPS map and in isolation here) Yomangani^talk 15:47, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Got it, that route is in my GIS data source as well, shouldn't be too hard to add - do you think it needs to be labeled and/or in a different color than the main trail? Kmusser (talk) 15:56, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

My preference would be to keep it in the same colour as the existing trail (as it is still part of it) and labelled if a label can be squeezed in, but I'm sure you can make the best aesthetic choice. Yomangani^talk 16:47, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Done, label proved to be too small to fit in there and still be readable. Kmusser (talk) 17:03, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I thought it might. Good work. Yomangani^talk 17:06, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

hey

Sup Karl I tried to make my user name Kmusser cause my name is Kamden Musser just wanted to see who took it.

Kamden Musser —Preceding unsigned comment added by Musser123 (talk • contribs) 02:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to Wikipedia! Kmusser (talk) 13:04, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Municipalities of Puerto Rico

Kmusser, I am still amazed at the Barrios de Ponce work you did. That was great! wow!. I have a question for you: There is this map of the Municipalities of Puerto Rico [5] produced by USGS that includes the U.S. Virgin Islands besides Puerto Rico. Well, I don't want a map that includes the VI unless the article is about Puerto Rico *AND* the Virgin Islands. So I would like the Virgin Islands removed from the map so the map is truly about the Municipalities of Puerto Rico (only). My question: Do I have to go thru the Map Workshop procedure as I did for the Barrios of Ponce request to get this done, or is it OK if I just ask you if you can take it? Thanks. Mercy11 (talk) 04:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure, you just need that one cropped? That's an easy one :-) Kmusser (talk) 13:29, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Uploaded as File:PR Municipalities.png. Kmusser (talk) 13:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Again, it looks great! - as if you had read my thoughts,,, just as if I had been there explaining exactly how I envisioned it could turn out!!! Thanks a lot and take care. Mercy11 (talk) 22:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, here is the question/request I have which I wrote about in the other post (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kmusser#Barrios_of_Ponce_map_Request). Remember in the map of the Barrios of Ponce, how one of them was called Playa? Well, there is an island that is part of Playa and which you will notice if you look carefully at the red filing for the map of Barrio Playa article (File:Playa, Ponce, Puerto Rico.svg). That island is called Caja de Muertos. The problem is that your cropped Municipalities Map ([6]) does not show Caja de Muertos island. Well,,, it wasn't in the original PR/VI map either, that's why!

I am, however, puzzled as to why the USGS map did not include this Caja de Muertos island. Especially since it is 10x larger than Monito which IS shown in the USGS map (but not labeled such, instead it is labeled "Mayaguez". (Note: Monito is part of the municipality of Mayaguez, that's why it says "Mayaguez" next to this island on the map)).

What I am proposing is if you could consider -DRAWING- Caja de Muertos island into the new Municipalities Map? To identify it, we could add a name consistent with Monito's naming, that is "Ponce" or consistent with Mona, that is "Ponce" - "Isla Caja de Muertos" Using the same font as Mona/Monito would be great to make it seamless with the rest of the map. What do you think, is this doable? Mercy11 (talk) 00:28, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Rather than trying to add it, it would probably be better to create a brand new map - the files I downloaded for the Ponce map include all the islands and then I could change the style and format to match wikipedia's map conventions at the same time. That will take longer though, I'm not sure when I'll get it, but will keep you posted. Kmusser (talk) 14:14, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I also found this File:USA Puerto Rico location map.svg perfectly good map over on commons that just needs labels added. Kmusser (talk) 19:01, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Labeled version made File:USA Puerto Rico labeled.svg, hopefully that works out. Kmusser (talk) 20:47, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if it's worth repeating anymore,,,but I am speechless. Thank you! By the way, that island I identified as Monito, is actually Desecheo. This is a moot point now - I just wanted to correct that. Thanks! Mercy11 (talk) 01:52, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

• Kmusser, On The Municipal Amalgamation Proposal in the same article Municipalities of Puerto Rico, I saw what you did...that's great. You know, I never really liked the previous map, but oddly, it never occurred to me that it should be improved and standardized with the others... In any event, there is this one thing that has been bugging me, and I finally gathered enough courage to let you know (!). There is a typo in the map of the municipalities (and now also in the map of the municipal amalgamation proposal). I will tell you about it now before it propagates further. It's the island of Vieques - the one lower rightmost part of the map. The thing is misspelled, in one of the two ocassions. The correct spelling is VIEQUES. It' not your error. It comes from the very original map, way back; from USGS, I believe. I don't know if a little thing like that matters, but maybe you want to fix it since you are quite particular with details I notice. Hey, I thought about using Inkscape and doing it myself, but I don't dare yet,,,I don't want to mess things up this early. Whatever you think is best is fine with me. Thanks! Take care, Mercy11 (talk) 00:09, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for catching it. One of the advantages to the SVG format is that it's very easy to edit text :-). Kmusser (talk) 15:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I see. Would it then be easy to add words to the Map of Barrios of Ponce, so that each barrio territory is labeled with its name (http://www.ponceweb.org/descubreloBarrios.aspx)? Once ready then it can be incorporated into the Ponce, Puerto Rico article, among others. Thanks, Mercy11 (talk) 02:35, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Sort of, it would be easy to add labels, but I don't think they'd be readable at the size it would actually go in the article, and non-readable labels aren't so useful. When I get a chance I'll experiment and see how big it would need to be. Kmusser (talk) 14:43, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

I know what you mean...especially for those 6 or so concentrated in the center about 1/4 of the way up from the shore. One suggestion that I think would work is simply labeling those six with mumbers (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6), since those are basically their names ("First, Second, Third...Sixth). I prefer to stay away from a "Legend" that explains codes (as in here! >>>> [7], and maybe worse, here >>>> [8]!!!). In any event, the interested reader can always double click on the map to get the larger version...something I myself do quite frequently (maps and others). My vision is to incorporate it into the main article about the city, and specifically into the Barrios section (Ponce, Puerto Rico#Barrios). But you are the map expert, I leave it to you. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 01:02, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, done and uploaded as File:Ponce barrios map labeled.svg, I did resort to using numbers for labels but only for the 6 numerically named barrios and I think it looks pretty good. Kmusser (talk) 14:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for doing the Barrios of Ponce map, and then for adding labels to each barrios and then even adding the labeled map to the Ponce, Puerto Rico article,,, wow, that was a full-service job! Thank you!

I hadn't been able to spend as much time in wikipedia recently, but hope to dedicate more time in the next few days. In any event, it's great to know there are people like yourself around, who can help out! Have a great day!!! Mercy11 (talk) 01:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Quick update, please?

Would you be able to update File:Poestenkillmap.png with town and city boundaries labeled as well? I'd appreciate it if you could. Thanks. upstateNYer 18:21, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Done, I also zoomed in a bit to make fitting the labels in easier, should help with overall readability as well - I only labeled the towns in the watershed as I didn't want the map to get too cluttered. Kmusser (talk) 21:00, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Perfect. Thanks for the help! upstateNYer 21:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Color of location map

Would you care to comment on the bottom half of the discussion at Talk:South Korea#Orthographic projection? A user there is complaining about the map color (red on beige, as opposed to green on gray) and I believe you were the one who originally suggested that color ([9]), so you might be able to explain better than I can. Thanks, rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:55, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Another map

Could you make me another unincorporated community map for Saline County? This one is for the newly created article Salemsborg, Kansas. The maps used to reference where the city is have changed, and you will have to use [10], then zoom in to between Smolan, Kansas, Assaria, Kansas, and Falun, Kansas. Thanks in advance, Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 18:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Done. File:Saline County Kansas Incorporated and Unincorporated areas Salemsborg Highlighted.svg. Kmusser (talk) 19:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 19:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Terry Fox

Hello KM. This article is on a featured article drive for an anniversary this summer. It is in "On this day . . . " today, and it needs a map: Talk:Terry_Fox#Image_request

It is a worthy article on a worthy subject. (I have no involvement in it other than reading it.) Would you be willing to do a map? Regards, Kablammo (talk) 20:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

More maps

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Is converting these maps to .svg within your abilities? It appears to be a rather large task, but asking you is probably quicker than the Graphics lab's map workshop these days. =) Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 18:42, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

No, I don't take SVGification tasks because I'm horrible at it. Doing either one of those would take me many months worth of work. Really the map lab needs to get some SVG experts to watch it, although I think the push to convert everything to SVG is kind of overblown anyway, if it looks ok as a raster image just use it as is. Kmusser (talk) 18:49, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks anyway. Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 19:15, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

River Maps for the Yukon and Alaska

I'm new to the north and everytime I look up a watershed on wikipedia, there's no map for it. I saw your map for the Liard River and really like to style. The river's location on the continent, plus the watershed.

Thanks, when I started there were almost no river maps on wikipedia, now there are several of us plugging away at them. Only a few thousand more to go :-) Kmusser (talk) 10:55, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

GeoBase

Just a quick question, I know it might sound stupid, but is the GeoBase dataset mentioned on your sources page Public Domain? I just took a look at it and found it very attractive. Just afraid that it turns out not to be. Shannon^talk _contribs 18:55, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

It's not public domain, but their license IS compatible with Wikipedia, so go for it! For the full text of their license: http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/licence.jsp Kmusser (talk) 22:00, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying; I was just thinking the terrain looked better than the Demis I currently use (I might use it someday) Shannon^talk _contribs 22:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Maps for Albany and Troy, New York

Hi Karl. I was hoping you could create a map for both Albany, New York and Troy, New York, similar to this one you made for Brunswick, New York. I would appreciate state highway labels being included again (in addition to interstates, which are applicable to Albany). Thanks! upstateNYer 01:47, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the day job has been keeping me pretty busy so I'm not sure when I'll get to them, but will do when I get a chance. Kmusser (talk) 14:02, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I hear that; no rush. upstateNYer 23:14, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

The Troy map looks great. upstateNYer 20:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

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Map copyright question

Hi Kmusser, I left a question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maps#Copyright/derivatives question. Do you think you'd be able to take a look? Thanks, rʨanaɢ (talk) 18:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

List of rivers in Bhutan

Hi, can you expand this? There a hundreds of rivers I think.. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 08:40, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

That's actually reasonably complete. I fixed the organization a little and even deleted one I couldn't find a source for. Kmusser (talk) 13:20, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Found another source, was able to add a few more. Kmusser (talk) 15:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Cambodia Locator maps

Thank you for creating File:Cambodia Ratanakiri locator map.svg, it is much better than the PNG maps. If you have time, could you create maps for the other provinces? I asked Nordnordwest, but he asked me to ping you first. Another user over there was interested as well, but asked that they be named "File:Country Province locator map.svg", rather than location map. If you don't have time, I can take a stab at it myself, but you appear to be more of a map expert than I am. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 16:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe, that is yes, but I'm not sure when I'll have time to. If you want to try it I do recall that one being fairly easy to do in Inkscape, starting with File:Cambodia location map.svg select the province and change the fill color to red or you can use the little paint bucket tool to fill it in. Scroll up to the Barrios of Ponce request on this page for a more detailed discussion of how-to in Inkscape. Also feel free to rename the existing one if you're so inclined. Kmusser (talk) 17:11, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I've started in on these, should have them done this week. Kmusser (talk) 21:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Done! Kmusser (talk) 15:39, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow, thank you very much. The world owes you one. I started updating the maps on this and other Wikipedias. This is a major improvement. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:41, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

List of rivers in wisconsin

I noticed you reverted my red link removal in List of rivers in Wisconsin. I was just removing the red links because it was requested as part of WikiProject: Wisconsin, articles to de-redlink. Thank you Zonafan39 (talk) 21:13, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

de-redlinking in that context isn't just removing the links, it's actually creating all those articles so that the links are blue instead of red. Kmusser (talk) 23:09, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I understand that. However, I don't think that most of those rivers would fit the notablity guideline. Zonafan39 (talk) 23:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

It's been well established over at AFD that rivers are inherently notable, and in making that list I didn't even include any really small ones - we have smaller rivers than those that have made FA. Kmusser (talk) 23:44, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Map request

Would you be able to make a map similar to File:Donner route map.png (with an elevation-based color code) centered on Albany, New York, showing the Hudson and Mohawk Rivers; the Rensselaer Plateau; the Taconic Mountains; the Adirondack Mountains; the Helderberg Escarpment; and the Catskill Mountains? Political boundaries are unnecessary, however, dots and labels for the larger cities (Albany, Troy, Schenectady, others as you see fit) would be helpful (although light county borders could be useful if you think they look okay and don't detract from the main point of the map). upstateNYer 01:21, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Sure, will do. Kmusser (talk) 13:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Not to sound like a nag, but is there any update on this? upstateNYer 15:50, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I have started it, unfortunately it's not looking as good as the Donner map because the elevation starts to get pixelated when zoomed in, still it should look ok - it'll probably be a couple more weeks though as I'm on vacation next week and probably won't finish it before then. Kmusser (talk) 15:55, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good! Thanks for the update. upstateNYer 18:46, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, a draft is done! Check out File:Albany ny physical map.png and let me know if you want any changes. Kmusser (talk) 15:01, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

The pixelation isn't optimal, but it's definitely good enough. Thanks again! upstateNYer 15:44, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Saint Louis River and Cloquet River

Could you do maps for these?

If it does not make it look too "busy", can you also add the East Savanna River?

No hurry.

Thanks. Kablammo (talk) 19:15, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I should have all those. Kmusser (talk) 00:13, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

This map is done, I hope you don't mind me using it to test out a new style. Kmusser (talk) 21:39, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Very nice! Thank you. Kablammo (talk) 02:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Map request: Albany International Airport

Hello, I really like the format/projection of your airport destination maps. Would you be interested in making one for Albany International Airport (ALB) -- based on this source -- when you get the chance? Thank you! --Albany NY (talk) 04:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Map updated. Kmusser (talk) 17:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, it looks great. --Albany NY (talk) 04:15, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Indonesian rivers

Hi. I've recently been doing some work on towns in West Papua and couldn't hlep but notice the sheer number of rivers not covered on here. Could you draw up a List of rivers in Indonesia? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure when I'll get to it, especially as that would be a big one, but will add it to the things to do. Kmusser (talk) 18:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Done, got to it sooner than I thought, still not really complete as I didn't have any detailed maps to work from, but should be a good start. Kmusser (talk) 15:59, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Far from complete, but you've definately got the main rivers. Excellent job. I started List of rivers of East Timor a while back, perhaps you could add something and sort it by basin? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:53, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I was going to see that's already more detailed than I have and then I saw the maps at http://websig.civil.ist.utl.pt/timorgis/Maps@139.aspx so yeah - it should be possible to do a complete list from those, I have one map I'm trying to get done, but can do it after that. Kmusser (talk) 19:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

East Timor is done. Kmusser (talk) 19:07, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Another map request

A slightly odd one - could you please generate a map for the Great Wicomico River, when you get the chance? I know it's teensy now, but I should be able to expand it in the coming weeks. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that should be an easy one to do. Kmusser (talk) 01:56, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Sweet, thanks. That's going to be a fun one (I don't know why - perhaps it's because the word "Wicomico" amuses me.) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:59, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Done, check out File:Greatwicomicorivermap.png - this one I was torn on how much to zoom in. I opted to show where it was in the northern neck, I could zoom in more so you can see the tributaries better, but then it becomes difficult to tell where in Virginia you are looking at. Most of those tributaries do have names, if you need a list I could put one together. Kmusser (talk) 19:12, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't be necessary at the moment - besides, I can always refer to the county roadmap put out by VDOT (my father has a complete collection, believe it or not.) Looks beautiful, thanks; I'm going to start working on a little expansion in the next few days.

Incidentally, have you ever considered starting Rivers of New Caledonia? I was just looking something else up online, and it seems there are a few, at least. Not much info available, though. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Seneca River map

Thanks for centering the map on the Seneca River page. I futzed with it for a while and got nowhere. Thanks for the fix as well as for doing the original map! MTBradley (talk) 15:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem, that map was actually one of the harder ones I've done, that whole drainage system is so confused. Kmusser (talk) 15:26, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Uruguay River Map

It would be nice if you could highlight the Uruguay River in File:Uruguayrivermap.png in the same way that you did for File:Paraguayrivermap.png At first glance, it's a little confusing to see all those unlabeled rivers that flow into the Rio de la Plata, but have the map description only say "This is a map showing the Uruguay River and its drainage basin including its longest tributary, the Río Negro." with none of them labeled.

Your maps are lovely, thanks a lot! I would fix it myself if I could. askewchan (talk) 22:46, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Done. Kmusser (talk) 18:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! askewchan (talk) 13:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Class I Railroads Map

Kmusser-Just the mapping I am looking for. You mention the source as being US DOT, but there is a lot of data available there and your map seems to show the specific level of railroad network I need plus the routes classified by rail carrier. Any help to point me to the right GIS data would be helpful. You mention too that your GIS data might be available, so clarification on that would be great as well. -cdbosacki —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdbosacki (talk • contribs) 16:25, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Sure, the data I used for that map was the North American Transportation Atlas - I was using the data you can download from http://www.bts.gov/publications/north_american_transportation_atlas_data/ although I just checked and it looks like there is a newer dataset available through the National Atlas at http://www.nationalatlas.gov/atlasftp-na.html#rail00l that you might want to try out. Kmusser (talk) 16:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I just downloaded the National Atlas layer to take a peek and it's not very good, not as detailed and no indication of ownership - you want the Transportation Atlas data. Kmusser (talk) 17:07, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Note if you are doing U.S. only you can use the data at http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_atlas_database/2010/ which is a lot more detailed than the one above - but if you need Canada and Mexico stick with the first link. Kmusser (talk) 17:11, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Seisal/Seical river

Hello Kmusser! I have a little problem with your edit of spelling. Maybe you can have a look at the discussion of Seisal River. Greetings, --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 06:42, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Halifax River Florida map has possibly incorrect label for Indian River

Mr. Musser:

Your map of the Halifax River in Florida shows a body of water labeled as the Indian River. Actually, that body of water is referred to (at least locally) as the Indian River Lagoon or the Mosquito Lagoon, and is connected to the rest of the Indian River via the Haulover Canal.

Sincerely, W.D. Ward

On the topo map the connection from Mosquito Lagoon and the Ponce de Leon inlet is also labeled Indian River - is that called something else locally? That's what I was intending to label, I'll add a Mosquito Lagoon label so that it doesn't look like Indian River is applying to that entire water body. Kmusser (talk) 00:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 11

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Smithsonian map

That's actually kind of perfect, thanks for the suggestion. Lesqual (talk) 17:03, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Also, regarding the archived maps - what exactly should I be doing if I want to fulfill a stale request that's been archived? Moving it to the active section via cut? via copy? Edit the archive live and post the map there? Lesqual (talk) 18:01, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

For simple requests, or requests that have already been filled outside the maplab - I'd put the completed map into the relevant article and then edit the archive to move the request from stale to resolved. For requests that are more complicated (i.e. that you expect to require some discussion or want help with) I'd copy from the archive into the active section and treat it like a new request. In a lot of cases the original requester may not be around anymore - I'll usually take a look at the article they were asking about to judge whether it still needs a new or improved map. Kmusser (talk) 18:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

File:US Election04-08shift.svg

Regarding File:US Election04-08shift.svg, there's something goofy about Alaska/Hawaii on those. Neither the thumbnail created by Wikimedia nor the full version created by Firefox shows them properly. Magog the Ogre (talk) 06:29, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

In any case, I would love to know the specifics of how you generated that map, especially with the correct coloring, as I'd love to be able to generate maps like that on the fly from data. I'm hoping you didn't actually have to edit each county by hand. Magog the Ogre (talk) 06:43, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I know there is, I made the PNG version because I despaired of being able to fix the SVG, I can't figure out why it's like that. I made the map using GIS, specifically Arc/Info, although cheaper programs are out there that can do the same thing. The counties are populated with data by doing a database join, the data file is from http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/, the county GIS file is from http://www.nationalatlas.gov/mld/countyp.html. Kmusser (talk) 10:20, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Bhutan

Hi. I wondered if you could make a map or two showing the Manas River and the Kuru Chu.? Also I wondered if you have the ability to make a decent map of Nunavut which could also be used for a pushpin map? We are missing one. Dr. Blofeld 16:21, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how to make those pushpin maps so that the pushpins actually show up in the right places. I can do a Manas River basin map though. Kmusser (talk) 16:36, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Manas river is done. Kmusser (talk) 21:33, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm currently doing work on Vietnam and a number of provinces like Phú Thọ Province mention a Lo River. Can you tell me whether this river is the Luo River of Henan, China or a different river? Either way I wondered if you could produce a map of the rivers of northern Vietnam for the province articles we are writing. Rivers like the Red River, Lo River, Da River , Nam On, Song Chay etc. Dr. Blofeld 13:39, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Definitely a different river, I could've swore we had an article on it too, but I can't find any trace of it - it's on the map I have in the Red River article and is one of the major rivers of Vietnam. Kmusser (talk) 00:17, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

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Map of the La Plata Basin?

Heya Karl, I've got a couple map requests to toss onto the pile. I like the style of your newest maps a lot, like File:Essequiborivermap.png, File:Jubbarivermap.png, File:Senegalrivermap.png, etc. I think you mentioned wanting to make a new map for the Rio Grande—a basinwide one I assume, showing major tributaries. That's my first request—probably already on your list. Second request is a basin map of the Río de la Plata and its main rivers, the Paraná River, Uruguay River, and Paraguay River. You made the maps already being used on those pages (except the Río de la Plata page, which has a map useful for showing the details of the estuary, but a bit lacking in cartographic style, and the La Plata Basin page, which has a useful but garish map). They are useful, but something in your new style would be awesome, and a single map could be used for a great many pages. Also, a number of tributaries in the La Plata system are not mapped. Perhaps some are too small to fit in a basin map (some I'm unclear about and have bare stub pages), but here's the ones that I think are significant and seem worth checking at least:

• Paraná River tributaries:
  • Corumbá River
  • Negro River, Chaco: Yet another "Rio Negro"; I'm a little confused by this one. Its page says its formed by the confluence of the Bermejo River and Guaycurú River, but according to my research so far the Bermejo empties into the Paraguay River, and another long river "parallels" the Bermejo but empties into the Paraná just below the Paraguay's mouth, and this river is called Negro or Guaycurú, or both, I'm not quite sure.
  • Carcarañá River
  • Gualeguay River
• Paraguay River tributaries:
  • Jauru River (Mato Grosso)
  • Cuiabá River
  • Taquari River (Mato Grosso do Sul)
  • Curiche Grande River
  • Apa River
  • Pantanal: Not a river, but would be good to show on a basin map.
• Uruguay River tributaries:
  • Pelotas River
  • Canoas River (Santa Catarina)
  • Peperiguaçu River
  • Ibicuí River
  • Quaraí River
  • Río Negro (Uruguay): This Rio Negro is alrady on your Uruguay River map, but without its own highlighted version, I think. It's apparently the river of Uruguay.
• Río de la Plata tributaries:
  • Salado River (Buenos Aires): The full La Plata Basin includes the whole Río de la Plata estuary, so would also include this relatively small but not tiny river.

I know this is a lot of rivers for one map. But your (older style) File:Amazonriverbasin basemap.png crammed in at least as many—and that is a very useful map too! I also know it would take a lot of work to make and you've already done so much and have a list of things to do. So this isn't really a request so much as a "suggestion". :-)

Sorry for the length of text in this post. It's a complicated river system! I think the length from the farthest headwater to the Río de la Plata mouth is more than 6,170 km (perhaps over 6,300, but I don't have a reliable source saying so yet). That would make it longer than the Mississippi–Missouri and perhaps the 3rd or 4th longest in the world. Anyway, thanks and good night! Pfly (talk) 06:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Will do, shouldn't actually be that hard since I already have the 3 major river basins mapped, just need to merge them, and I'll get the Rio Grande as well. Kmusser (talk) 11:18, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Rio Grande done, La Plata will have to wait until I'm back from vacation. Kmusser (talk) 01:19, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Btw, in plugging away at the various La Plata rivers I'm even less sure about the list I posted above. Feel free to ignore it! I did figure out a bit more about the Negro River (Chaco)--seems fairly insignificant. I've been compiling an overly long list at List of tributaries of the Río de la Plata, for what it's worth. Anyway, have a nice vacation! Pfly (talk) 07:40, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Done! I added it to your list, feel free to add it wherever else is appropriate and let me know if you see any mistakes. Kmusser (talk) 16:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Awesome! Thank you very much. First glance, looks great. You've quite mastered cartography for the web and rather small numbers of pixels--quite a challenge to do well compared to large print maps, that's for sure. I'm curious now, do you get to make maps for work, or, like other GIS folks, is it more data management and programming type stuff? I yearn to be an actual cartographer instead of a regular GIS "technician". Pfly (talk) 20:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, for work I make maps and do website work, lately a lot more of the latter though I did get to show off a couple of maps at this years ESRI conference, we've got another guy that does most of our programming. Kmusser (talk) 00:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

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Oregon stream lengths

Hi Karl, I've been working on what I hope can become a featured list of all the streams of Oregon that are at least 40 miles long. My methods are slow and time-consuming, but I think I have tracked down reliable sources for all of the lengths, although I had to use fishing guidebooks for a few like the Illinois River (Oregon). My list is at User:Finetooth/Sandbox3. I'm wondering if I missed anything with a total length of 40 miles or more that flows in whole or in part (even if less than 40 miles) through Oregon; I don't think it possible that I missed many, but there might be one or two or maybe even three. Silver Creek in Harney County might be at least 40, for example. Is there any nifty central source for information like this? Finetooth (talk) 20:12, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look when I get back, there isn't a central source that I know of, but I can measure them individually using GIS and Oregon streams I actually know fairly well. Kmusser (talk) 20:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Little Mountain 5, Shannon1, Pfly, and Ruhrfisch have been helping in one capacity or another, and the list keeps changing slightly. I have moved the article into main space as List of longest streams of Oregon. Finetooth (talk) 20:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Another map border fix

A little while ago (sometime this month) you fixed the state border width in this picture for me...do you think you could please do the same thing with File:Map of National Weather Service Wichita CWA.svg? Something just seems to happen when I fill in counties that makes state borders narrower/covers them up, so instructions on how to fix it should I have to make maps in the future would be helpful too. Thanks in advance, Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 23:32, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Also, now that I notice it, the border for Saline County in that CWA map also appears to have the same problem; its borders appear narrower than all the rest of the county borders...so if a fix is possible on that part of the map that would be appreciated too...again, thanks in advance, Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 23:35, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look when I'm back, on the previous map the error was being caused by drawing order, the filled counties were drawing on top of the state outline, to fix the outline needs to be moved to the top - I had to ungroup a bunch of stuff in order to do that, but once everything was ungrouped it wasn't hard. Kmusser (talk) 20:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Mmk, well whenever you get a chance will work, it's not urgent. Hope you're having fun wherever you're at (noticing your banner at the top of your userpage)! Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 14:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Done. Kmusser (talk) 23:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Airports map update

Hello, could you update these airports maps:

FLL: add BDL as regular from november; delete MHT; and if you consider add direct flights as BGA, PEI and GEO as have IAH map.

PTY: add FRA from november

BOG: delete CRC and MAR; add SAL, GUA, GIR and FRA from october.

IAH: this date of 2008, the work will hard

IAD: another hard work, same date that IAH 2008

For now it's all, please collaborate with that. Luisfege (talk) 04:13, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Will take a look when I'm back. Kmusser (talk) 20:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I saw that update IAH. Missing PTY, IAD, BOG and FFL. I'm patient, I understand the shortage of time. Luisfege (talk) 09:28, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to do all the ones that haven't been updated since 2008, also finished BWI, I should have IAD done Monday. The others that are still close to current I think I'm going to leave for now. I'm hoping that at some point someone will figure out how to do this type of map by using location templates - they'd be a lot easier to update. Kmusser (talk) 13:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, I hope so. But consider updated PTY, BOG and FLL especially PTY which is the oldest. If you teach me to make these maps, we will gladly update it some. Luisfege (talk) 06:24, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Your Class I RR map

Kmusser--I'm working on a research project on commodity movements and saw your class I railroads map. Following your data source, I found that the BTS NTAD 06 is not available online, and the '09 version doesn't distinguish between Class I RRs and others. If you could send me your GIS files for this project it'd be extremely helpful--you can reach me at tbaird {at} wisc {dot} edu.

Thanks for your time and keep up your great work here! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.104.196.16 (talk) 19:02, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

The 2006 data didn't have class distinguished either, you have to select the railroads by name, there is a list of them in the article, when I get back I can pass along my GIS files, but I didn't modify them at all from what was online in 06. Kmusser (talk) 19:39, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I've placed GIS files at http://www.fantasymaps.com/stuff/dot_rail.zip, let me know when you've downloaded them, otherwise I'll take them back down in a month or so. Kmusser (talk) 04:41, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering if you could create a map?

Hello I have seen many of your maps, and I am very impressed with the details on the map on the Clinch River in Virginia/Tennessee (showing the mountains). I was wondering if you could create a map of the Big Sandy (Ohio River) drainage that includes Cranes Nest River, Levisa Fork River, McClure River, Pound River, Russell Fork, and Tug (Fork) River. I am working on several articles that include references to these rivers and thought one map would be sufficient. I found one map (someone else created) showing the Levisa River & Tug Fork River but did not show the other rivers. Thank you in advance (it's not urgent so enjoy your vacation and let me know if you will be able to do this when you get back). L.N.farm (talk) 20:00, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Btw, please feel free to redo any maps I've made, if you'd like to. (PS, Kauai, eh? Now I'm jealous!) Pfly (talk) 03:21, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Big Sandy is done, check it out at File:Bigsandyrivermap.png. Kmusser (talk) 20:16, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

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Vietnam and Laos

Hi. Can you make those maps of the Red River basin/Meking etc for northern Vietnam? Can you also make a List of rivers of Laos and if possible a map or two of some of the rivers. You'll be pleased to know Im steadily building our coverage of Vietnamese rivers. Dr. Blofeld 13:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but at my current rate there's a good chance I won't get to them until after the holidays. Kmusser (talk) 03:07, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Got a list of at least the major rivers up for Laos, will probably be awhile yet before any maps. Kmusser (talk) 19:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

How far down can you get?

Are you able to get so local as to create a map of Albany, New York showing its city council wards? If not no big deal, but it would be a good addition to the article. upstateNYer 02:03, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

At the moment I'm swamped by the day job, so probably not soon - do you already have a source for them? If so leave a link here and I'll see what I can do. Kmusser (talk) 14:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Not yet, that's what I was asking you, actually. :) I'll do some research though and find something soon. upstateNYer 16:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, no I don't currently have anything that local - I'd have to hunt for it too. Kmusser (talk) 16:58, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't look like we're making any progress on that. Not sure if the city council actually hosts a map online yet. When they do, I'll let you know (probably won't be until after the 2010 census is in). On an unrelated note, I want to include a map of New York showing Indian tribe boundaries for a rewrite I'm working on. Do you have that information? If not, you could use File:Early Localization Native Americans USA.jpg as a basis. It's from the 1970s, but should still be valid, methinks. Do it however you think is best; colors or no colors, whichever you (as a professional) would do (the colors represent different language bases). Labeled rivers and Great Lakes would be useful, as would current state/national boundaries as subtle lines. Let me know if that's doable. Thanks! upstateNYer 02:01, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't have anything like that digitally, but I do have several dead tree books that cover the subject and include maps so could have something but it would take some research. Kmusser (talk) 02:29, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Any update on the Indian map? I think it should be fine for my purposes, and the map is by the Smithsonian, more than reliable. Let me know what you think. upstateNYer 02:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually in doing some more research, that map seems to be the standard that most online sites go by (which probably stems from the fact that it's PD, but still). I say run with it. upstateNYer 02:49, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah you can certainly use that one as is, at some point I can make a nicer one that focuses just on NY but it won't be anytime soon. Kmusser (talk) 15:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, gotcha. Whenever you can get to it would be great. upstateNYer 20:49, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

	<font=3> Thanks again for your help. We couldn't have done it without you. List of longest streams of Oregon made featured list today. Finetooth (talk) 02:57, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Chari River

Hallo Karl,

I found your map of Chari River. Real nice work! There is just one point I am not sure about: from my information’s is Bahr Azoum the name of the upper reaches of the Bahr Salamat. In your map the are not connected.

Regards Peter in s (talk) 11:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll change that, from the map I was working on I couldn't tell if they connected or not. Kmusser (talk) 21:38, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Benue River

I just started an article on the Wukari Federation, and would like to use Benuerivermap.png to illustrate its location in the river basin - it is in the triangle near the confluence of the Donga and Benue rivers. Any chance you could add Wukari to the map? Thanks, Aymatth2 (talk) 17:48, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

No problem, done. Kmusser (talk) 16:01, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Great! I have also put it into Kuteb people. A map like this is really useful in giving context, and also visually picks up the article when there are no pictures available. Thanks. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:44, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Philipsburg Manor map

Could you make a map of the Philipsburg Manor? Basically, you would just need to shade in and label the area between the Spuyten Duyvil Creek, the Croton River, the Hudson River, and the Bronx River, all in New York. Let me know if that's doable. Thanks! upstateNYer 01:01, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look, that should be doable. Kmusser (talk) 03:26, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I have a couple of questions. For the northeastern corner do you have anything showing or describing where the border goes between the end of the Bronx River and the Croton - there's a good sized gap there without an obvious path. For the southern end likewise do you anything showing the jump from Spuyten Duyvil to the Bronx - there is a sort of obvious line that runs from the end of the historical Spuyten Duyvil eastward, more or less along what's now Gun Hill Rd. that I could use, but that would be guessing, would be nice to have confirmation. Kmusser (talk) 21:19, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Connect the ends of the Bronx and Croton and go with Gun Hill Rd and I'll take a look once you upload. I don't believe there was really a set boundary (it was the early 18th century after all). upstateNYer 00:11, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

OK, I have a draft up at File:Philipsburg manor map.png. So it's that line from the Bronx to the Croton that I'm not sure of, I put the town boundaries on just so you can see them, I'd recommend removing them from the final unless you're going to talk about them, but I know those often follow colonial boundaries - so I drew the line from the Bronx to the nearest point of the Croton, but it'd be tempting to move it to follow a town boundary - either slightly to the east to use the New Castle/Yorktown boundary, or move it way to the west to go along the New Castle/Ossining boundary to the Croton's mouth. What would be useful if you've come across it is any mention of whether the town of New Castle came out of the estate land or not. Kmusser (talk) 16:12, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I think that's about as good as it's gonna get. First, can you give the manor a more obvious color and remove coloring and labeling of NYC? Leave county borders because I think the counties were the same then (you can label the counties, actually). Leave the river labels in but drop all the place names except for Dobbs Ferry, counties, and states, and the name of the manor. I think that will just about do it. Thanks for the help. upstateNYer 21:11, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Done, in addition to those changes I zoomed in a bit as well. Should be good to go. Kmusser (talk) 17:24, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Perfect. Much appreciated, as always. upstateNYer 03:17, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Rima / Sokoto river basin

Since you were so helpful with the Benue river basin, I have to ask for more! Any chance of a similar type of map of the Rima / Sokoto basin? It would be useful in a number of articles: the rivers, dams and irrigation schemes and towns on the rivers, several of which badly need improvement.

• Katsina River
• Rima River
• Sokoto River
• Zamfara River
• Ka River
• Goronyo Dam
• Gusau Dam
• Bakolori Dam
• Zauro polder project
• Gusau
• Sokoto
• Argungu
• Birnin Kebbi
• Bunza

I have no idea how hard these maps are to do, or how much time you have... Aymatth2 (talk) 19:07, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Definitely doable, I'll add it to the list, it might be a couple of months before I get to it though. Kmusser (talk) 01:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I really appreciate that. I may do an overview type article on the river basin itself. In some ways it is a more coherent geographic, demographic, historical etc. area than the national and state boundaries. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

List of rivers of Yemen

Hi can you create this list. If you view Wadi... here you can copy the huge list and create an article.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:35, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Will do when I get a chance, I wouldn't use that list though - that's a dump from the Geonet Names Server which has lots of mistakes, I'll use it sometimes but not as an only source.Kmusser (talk) 22:30, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

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User:Shannon1

Hi, Kmusser.

Is there any chance that you could have a word with Shannon1 about his or her behaviour at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Central Nevada Desert Basins? I haven't yet formed an opinion about whether this should be kept or deleted, and am attempting to have a civil discussion that will allow me to come to a conclusion, but can't do so in the face of Shannon1's continual aggression and incivility, now including an accusation the I am the one being uncivil. I don't like to cause drama by raising such behavioural issues at public noticeboards, so, as someone that Shannon1 seems to perceive as an ally in a "battle", your input would be helpful. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:25, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Done, WP:Rivers has been dealing with a disruptive editor and this article is one of their creations - Shannon's frustration with that editor is spilling over to AfD. Kmusser (talk) 01:35, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

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Great Tenasserim River

Hi. I greatly need a map of the whole of this river as the meagre tools I have at my disposal only show the lower part of the river. PLease can you make a map of this river during the next week.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Can definitely make the map, how soon I can get to it depends on how busy the day job keeps me. I actually have the new Red River (Asia) map almost done. Kmusser (talk) 13:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Great Great Basin map

Hi Karl, yet another--what's the right word?--pulchritudinous map (okay that's not the right word), File:Greatbasinmap.png. One thing did strike me oddly at first glance: the words "Columbia Plateau" curving across southeast Oregon and southwest Idaho, south of the Snake River Plain. It didn't seem right to me, but after looking into it a bit I find the term is defined and used in such a wide variety of ways that it's not wrong to apply it to this area.

Physiographic maps like this one and that one show a huge "Columbia Plateau" that even includes the Snake River Plain. I'm more used to thinking of the Columbia Plateau as that bowl-like depression (counter-intuitively, given the name) between the Cascades, Blue Mountains, Okanogan Highlands, and the Rockies of Idaho. Something like the "level III" ecoregion #10, "Columbia Plateau", here. I'd point to other sources, but I'm sure you know what I mean. The strictly geological-based definitions tend to point to flood basalts, but even those tend to stop near the southern end of Hells Canyons, like this map and the one on our own Columbia Plateau page.

Anyway, that's a lot of words to say something of little importance. The map is fine, great even. I just thought I'd mention my reaction to that one bit. I'm not even sure what else one might label that area as. Too far south to be Hells Canyon or the Blue Mountains. "Owyhee Highlands" seems too limited. "Oregon High Desert" too broad, maybe (High Desert (Oregon)?). Alright, I'll stop thinking out loud. There's no real issue here, other than my initial "huh?" reaction. :-)

But! One final thing. I'm curious how you determined what to include as part of the Great Basin. Looks like you basically used the USGS hydrological region "Great Basin" (those funny "peninsulas" of non-basin land in southern Nevada give it away), but added the Mojave area south to the Salton Sea area and most of the Oregon closed basins (but not Goose Lake). But unlike the definition we've got going at {{Great Basin watersheds}}, you didn't include the Kern, Kings, Tule, etc region of the southern San Joaquin Valley. Not that I'd want to see such a broad definition (that template seems weird--who considers Fresno as being in the Great Basin?). Just curious. The Great Basin page seems a bit uncertain about how to delineate the region. Sorry for the long post. Pfly (talk) 22:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Oop, nevermind on this last question--I see you explained over at Vegaswikian's page... Pfly (talk) 23:08, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I actually struggled with that "Columbia Plateau" label - most online and government resources use it to refer to eastern Washington state as you say, but the commercial atlases I had universally use it for that plateau between the Great Basin and the Snake River. I was decided by a Google image search which came up with a whole pile of maps that use it for both, as one very large region example.

As far as the definition, yeah, I ended up using 2-digit HUC 16 + 4 digit HUCs 1712, 1808, 1809, and 1810. There are a bunch of other adjacent closed basins (Kern, Tule, Goose Lake, Lost) that don't usually get included I think because they do have theoretical or historical outlets, even if the water generally doesn't make it there now. The one there I really wasn't sure about was the Salton Sea basin (1810), which has a historical connection to the Colorado basin, but it had Colorado river water flowing into it, it never had an outlet. Anyway I decided to include it because the NPS map did.

While I've got you, I can help out a little bit in WBD interpretation to reply to your comment here. So a HUC is labeled as closed if there are not outlets, it can have plenty of inputs though. So 160402 is made up of 19 closed basins. All of the other basins flow to one of those 19, you can follow the flowpath using the HU_12_DS field, that's the number of the HUC that is downstream from your current HUC. You can use those to construct what the total drainage basin is for a given closed basin (it's generally going to be a group of 12-digit HUCs). Exceptions to that are marked with the NCONTRB field (the non-contributing acres), those are acres that don't connect to that HUCs outflow point. For closed basins they don't have an outflow point, so those are equal to the total acres, but for basins that do have an outflow point and non-contributing acres (there are 2 of those in 160402) means there is a tiny closed basin somewhere within that 12-digit HUC. So to get back to the Black Rock basin question, within the USGS context that could be two things, 1) it's the name of various HUCs, 6-digit HUC 160402, 10-digit HUC 1604020216, or 12-digit HUC 160402021600 (which is identical to the 10-digit HUC in this case) 2) or it's the collection of 12-digit HUCs that drain to 160402021600. The first case is USGS nomenclature, not necessarily directly connected to a physical feature. The latter case would be the hydrological drainage basin. Kmusser (talk) 15:23, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, that helps make things clearer. Except...aren't there five 8-digit HUCs in the 6-digit HUC 160402? The 10- & 12-digit Black Rock Desert "closed basin" HUC 1604020216(00) is in HUC 16040202, "Lower Quinn", from what I can see. Meanwhile in one of the other 8-digit HUCs, 16040204 "Massacre Lake", there seem to be 8 closed basins at the 12-digit level, with various other 12-digit units draining to them. There are more closed basins in the other three 8-digit units, all within the 6-digit 160402 "Black Rock Desert" Basin, which is supposedly what Black Rock basin is about. That's why I was saying the basin as a whole does not seem to be a "unified watershed" but rather a collection of closed basins with various small watersheds draining into them separately. The many 12-digit HUCs drain to at least ten different closed basins, one of which is 1604020216(00) "Black Rock Desert", if I'm seeing the data right. But, maybe I misunderstood what you were saying above. Typing out all those HUC numbers makes my head spin. And the way the USGS reuses HU names at different hierarchy levels doesn't help. Now... if I only had a better tool than ArcExplorer Java--makes old style ArcView look streamlined, powerful, and efficient! Pfly (talk) 22:10, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

You have it right, 160402 contains 19 different closed basins, only one of which is the Black Rock drainage basin.Kmusser (talk) 22:25, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Terminology

One issue you are going to have is splitting out local usage and WP:COMMONNAME. For the hydrological units, I agree with you since these are not in common usage and the names that have been used so far are, as I understand it, simply hydrological unit names and may not reflect proper terminology that others use. As to the larger nut of watershed vs. drainage divide. Watershed is established in the category structure and the US at least. Category:Watersheds explains the difference. I'd suggest leaving that as is and creating a subcategories for the British usage if we have any article. But I've be wrong in the past. If you'd like propose a rename of only Category:Watersheds to Category:Drainage basins go for it. The dual usage could gain enough support to fix that one since category names should not be ambiguous. If that is changed, the subcategories may not change since as you said, in the US, watershed is the common usage. That nut could be cracked if you can show that both watershed and drainage basin are actually in use in the US to describe these. While the category name may change, the articles should be the actual names used for the individual features. Does this make any sense? Vegaswikian (talk) 19:20, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

And a question are all basins drainage basins or are drainage basins simply a type of basin? I suspect the answer may be both so that leaves open the question of how these are parented. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:28, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'm not about to tackle a wholesale renaming of existing articles and categories, but thought for new creations it should be kept in mind and try to encourage the less ambiguous term, in the U.S. the terms watershed and drainage basin are used interchangeably, so it's not like it would be an unfamiliar usage for the U.S., although watershed is probably still more common. For your question it depends on context and the options are pretty well covered in the landforms section of our basin disambiguation page, usually if the term basin is being used by itself the hydrological sense is what is meant, but there are certainly other types of basins, most notably geologic basins. They don't really have any direct connection to each other, when categorizing I'd call both drainage basins and geologic basins types of "landforms" rather than creating an intermediate "basins" category. Kmusser (talk) 20:04, 18 November 2010 (UTC)