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Re: 2006 East Timor crisis[edit]

Hello Thebainer! Fine, you are updating the article 2006 East Timor crisis. I am the editor of the German article. If you are on search for sources, just check the references at the German article. Most of them are in English and updated until today. ;-) --J. Patrick Fischer 17:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks alot, I was maintaining this article from its creation, until my semester exams came a while ago and I ran out of time to work on it. I've been trawling through archives to catch up, though your selection of sources will be very helpful! --bainer (talk) 14:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

East Timor[edit]

I appreciate the update/correction on East Timor. Sometimes the information I get (in this case, from Statoids) is old and outdated - and the good thing about Wiki is how fast we can learn about updated information.

I did a few formatting changes to the subdistricts page - and the map I made I will relabel to Subdistricts (instead of Municipalities). Might I suggest this - add an article that talks about the definition and applicable usage of suco? Because village is the English term. If we have an entry for the subnational entity of suco, then the article can remain more cultural. :) Oh, and if you have any reference to maps of the Municipalities, I would gladly work on creating some. Rarelibra 14:46, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

WP Munich[edit]

Kingjeff 16:05, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Map of the Portuguese Empire in the 20th century[edit]

Good update on the map, my friend! I had forgotten the loss of Dadra and Nagar-Aveli in 1954. Mea maxima culpa! I'm adding your map to replace my former one in the article Portugal. Thanks. The Ogre 20:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I just learned about this little enclaves some days ago, since I am reediting the German article about the Potuguese Empire. ;-) --J. Patrick Fischer 21:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Anachronous map of the Portuguese Empire[edit]

Helo J. Patrick Fischer! I made same changes to the Anachronous map of the Portuguese Empire that I believe respond to your comments regarding the colonial borders of Brazil. You also can see my reasonings in Talk:Portuguese Empire # Incorrect Map - Canary Islands & Brazil. Thanks! The Ogre 16:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Comments needed[edit]

If you have the time, would love to hear your input here. Rarelibra (talk) 21:21, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Germany Invitation[edit]

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Hello, J. Patrick Fischer! I'd like to call your attention to the WikiProject Germany and the German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board. I hope their links, sub-projects and discussions are interesting and even helpful to you. If not, I hope that new ones will be.

--Zeitgespenst (talk) 04:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Flag of East Timor[edit]

I'm from korean wikipedia. In Korean 'East Timor' article, I never said it is current flag. It was explained 'colonial flag' in korean.--Digital man (talk) 11:33, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Digital man! Sorry, my Korean is not so good. ;-) There is anyhow a big dispute about the correct colouring of the CoA, so I decided to take the flag away generally. Greetings, --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 11:37, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

3RR Rule[edit]

Nuvola apps important.svg You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If the edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 14:17, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism announcement against editing of User:Domaleixo was send before. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 14:32, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit war at Dili[edit]

User: \ User:Domaleixo[edit]

User J. Patrick Fischer (talk) is removing systematically the symbols of the city alleging they are not used anymore. The problem is that he doesn´t quote any relevant source to remove the symbols and prove they are not used anymore, despite there´s a law supporting them. I gave the data, he is disputing it, just for personal taste. You are being partial. His editions are the ones to be avoided. Emerson Domaleixo (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:22, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I am not a party in this dispute, and my only concert here is the violation of WP:3RR. However i do notice that your [1] are taking out several references at the same time, with no real explanation. Furthermore i would advice you to log in while making these edits, as using an IP instead of your account could draw WP:Sockpuppet suspicion onto you. Also, please keep cool. Editing while being angry or annoyed with someone is generally a bad idea; Instead of reverting each other over and over you should discuss the issue on the article talk page. If you cannot seem to solve it, please use Dispute resolution to come to a consensus. With kind regards, Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 14:41, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

User:J. Patrick Fischer[edit]

Hello Excirial. I requested for several times for help, but nothing happend. I asked for a third oppinion, I announced the edit war and I announced the vandalism of User:Domeleixo. The discussion at the talk page is about the CoA and flag of Dili, but Domaleixo is deleting the sourced chapter about the Administration, too, although I warned him. Anyhow, Domaleixo is insulting the other users in the discussion. There are three against his sole oppinion. There is high time for an administrator to stop him. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 14:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Even so reverting each other over and over will not solve the issue as the other user can do the exact same thing. I listed the page for protection so that the edit war will at least temporally be stopped. I see the Third opinion request was added just a few hours ago. Wikipedia tends to turn rather slowly in the weekend, so give it some time. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 14:40, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
As you can see: There are several opinions against Domaleixo and he is trying again worldwide to press his image inside. There is really the need for an administrator. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 09:22, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Hello Exciral! Domaleixo changed again the article Dili against the opinion of four people, including the "third opinon". He is offending everyone and is not following the Wikiquette. It is high time for administrators to intervene. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 14:58, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Yep, i remember sighing earlier this morning after i saw the page history. I would advice making an Ani or AN3 report on the situation, and see what happens. Since it is a content dispute rather then vandalism, WP:AIAV cannot be used. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 15:04, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Merebau and me made several reports at AN3 and there was even a "third opinion", who supported the opinion of the majority. You warned Domaleixo not to go on with the edit war, but he is still doing it as IP-socket puppet. It cost a lot of time to repair Domaleixos doings and I want to respect your request not to go on with edit war, but the only solution this way would be, to accept Domaleixo's minority one-person-opinion. I do not think, that is the right way. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 15:16, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
The only report i see on ANI is the report made by Domaleixo, which is apparently not being actioned due to canvassing. If you didn't make a report yourself i would advice making one yourself, which describes the situation, including links to the 3th opinion and previous talk page discussions to show you have already attempted dispute resolution. As for it taking a lot of time: I hope you are aware that you can undo or revert to previous revisions? I assume you know it, but it is always better to say it is possible, then to find our someone is doing it the hard way. :) Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 15:29, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Other then this you could also open a SSP case regarding Domaleixo, as i would argue it is quite clear that the IP users are also him. Seeing his last block reason only reinforces this suspicion. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 15:29, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Didn't you ask me NOT to re-edit all the time? ;-)
It is very difficult for an non-native-English-speaker to understand the several different report options and procedures. I gave up trying to understand the sockpuppet report procedure. I made reports at "Edit war" and "Third opinion request", but by now I really get lost in this bureaucratism. In German Wikipedia it is quite simple. If there is a problem, administrators are acting after a request quite fast. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 15:37, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
If you are not re-editing, what time is spend cleaning up then? :P
I agree that the WP:SSP page is one of the least accessible report pages due to its somewhat unusual report mechanism - i remember botching the first two reports myself. Don't worry, i will create and fill it out for you. Give me a few minutes to complete it, and then i will drop you a link to it. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 15:45, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Here you go. It seems another case was already present, but that it was not finalized yet. Seems most admin/checkuser related matters are being a tad slow lately. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 16:04, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. Maybe I should hire a "Wikipedia lawyer"! ;-D It is really frustrating to use my 1700-day-wikipedia-jubilee with this case. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 16:11, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
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Ouch! First I thought, you meant it business! Ey, it isn't 1st April! ;-) --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 17:22, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
April Fools jokes tend to work best when you don't play them on April first, as people are on their guards then. But seeing the word "Wikipedia lawyer" i just wanted to quote that policy, so i thought i could just as well prepare for Currentday+10. :)


The gallery was restored too. Please understand that i'm not siding with either of you when I do this, as I think this has been a childish discussion regardless of who started it. I'm trying to push ahead and move on. Galf (talk) 15:32, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't consider you as sided. I am considering you as third opinion and I am happy, that there is someone more, who try to find a solution. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 15:40, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


Is regularly discredited and if you use as ref - it will be removed - thanks - however if you do not understand the issue - the percentage of incorrect positions by that particular website is that it is close to being on a blacklist as a non usable source SatuSuro 11:55, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your information, but in this case, I am controlling the informations by two maps from UNMIT and GIS, which are confirming this information about Atabae/Aidabaleten. I use the two maps together to draw the maps of subdistricts of Timor-Leste and only control them with fallingrain. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 16:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I dont know - I am not an east timor knowledgable person - central java is my speciality SatuSuro 00:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Sorry I am not into coordinates that much - I am simply of the knowledge of where places are in relation to physical features - many maps are wrong, and it is a case of not using anythng like falling rain or outside sources but simple first hand knowledge that a is there and b is there etc SatuSuro 06:59, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Well, UNMIT (2008) is at Timor-Leste and GIS (2009) is a Portuguese-Timorese project to create maps. The UN-map, which is still at Indonesian occupation of East Timor ist older (from 1999) --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 12:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Timor Timur[edit]

Then write an article that actually explains the distinction in a meaningful and non-trivial way; the version I redirected didn't say anything about what makes "Timor Timur" different from East Timor, it just said it was the old name for it and nothing else. Bearcat (talk) 05:26, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Timor Leste National Football Team[edit]

Hi, Patrick. Someone have vandalized Timor Leste national Football Team page. They add false data and Information. This person keep adding Malaysian names to the pages, like for example the coach is Malaysian and his name is Malay but actually he's Timorese. I don't understand why do the same people keep adding this false info or data. I think Timor Leste National Team pages should have protection against Vandalism. Is always the same ISP number that Vandalize the page. Andy4190 (talk)

I am not an admin. I can not protect the article. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 22:20, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

About Isla_Batek (Spanish Wikipedia)[edit]

I don't speak English, but I will try to answer: in the article on Batek Island in the Spanish Wikipedia, I had doubts because the French wikipedia says that the dispute between Timor and Indonesia was resolved in 2004.

"En 2004 Colonel indonésien Moesanip a dit, que cette revendication est abandonnée en 2004 lorsque le ministre Est-timorais des Affaires étrangères, José Ramos-Horta, reconnait la souveraineté indonésienne sur l'île.1 Le gouvernement de Timor oriental n' accepte jamais ceci officielle".

"english: Jose Ramos-Horta, recognizes Indonesian sovereignty over the island"

but when I saw you added the new source, with other information about the dispute is active I understand the changes in this article in Spanish. --Warairarepano&Guaicaipuro (talk) 18:55, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Makasae / Makalero[edit]


With this edit, you duplicated the Makasae article with the claim that "Makalero is not the same as Makasae". However, according to the article as you restored it, it is the same. Please provide refs if they are distinct languages. — kwami (talk) 02:03, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Never mind. WP-de explained it. — kwami (talk) 02:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
All right ;-) --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 11:14, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

"rubbish german wiki"[edit]

I saw my contribs there, there is stuff i never added and it was recently done. Agreed it has a better listing of canddiates its where i took the list from) but the list is apparently wrong as there are only 12 candidates now, that has 13 even after the death. Im not being ude...but anyway dint read about this "arson at CNE and STAE and nothing about the changing of the election law, just before the death of candidate" will replace the tag Ive added some stuff, the law stuff is not verifiable on german wiki (as are many links there) and links to a weblog on google search so ive not added that.(Lihaas (talk) 06:10, 19 March 2012 (UTC)).

Okey thanks will ook at the law change...also which candidate was rejected by CNE?(Lihaas (talk) 07:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC)).
Cant find stuff on article 26...can you provide a link or add the content to the page?(Lihaas (talk) 08:27, 19 March 2012 (UTC)).
Thanks, article seems to be up to scratch with your help. Just need a source for Araujo, JL Guterres and Tillman. the german source is to a forum which is not RS here)...and the CNE website is awful at updating.(Lihaas (talk) 09:41, 19 March 2012 (UTC)).
Cool go ahead and tag the article with the soutce...ypou need credit too(Lihaas (talk) 14:09, 19 March 2012 (UTC)).
no no, the english article to source...youve done good workLihaas (talk) 20:54, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Rubbish?? German wikipedia is the best quality wikipedia overall.. And a large part of that is down to contibutors like JPF.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:11, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, brother of arms! :-D But I thin, Lihaas understood now, what is behind the German ET-articles. ;-) --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 17:00, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Tatamailau and List of Ultras of Indonesia[edit]

It is not a huge issue for me but I linked List of Ultras of Indonesia in the article Tatamailau because the mountain is listed there. Geographically it is the high point of Timor which is part of the Lesser Sunda Islands which is geographically part of the Indonesian Archipelago. So in the WP lists of ultras, Tatamailau is grouped geographically with the Indonesian peaks, just as it is in the source. That is why it is found at List of Ultras of Indonesia. Yes, the mountain also lies in the country of East Timor which is clearly stated in the article, but remember this is a geographical article on the mountain, not East Timor. Like I said it's not a big deal. If you still don't think it belongs, then I won't put it back. Thank you for your time. --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 13:51, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I didn't believe, you wanted to "occupy" the mountain for Indonesia, but geography is politics, too. Calling the Tatamailau an Indonesian ultra is simpley incorrect. The border is far away. And btw, the islands are part of the Malay Archipelago. Greetings, --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 18:22, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Ok fine, but hey, generally I am under the impression that it is least a basic common courtesy to run a page move (List of Ultras of Indonesia) by the talk page before actually unilaterally changing the name. --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 18:54, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I really haven't had much time to think this over, but for example, are you sure Malay Archipelago is the best choice? That term includes New Guinea and the Philippines, which are not represented in that particular ultras list. Wouldn't Sunda Islands be a closer description of the islands in question? These are things that should be discussed and why it's a good idea to talk about page moves first, before renaming. --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 19:16, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I have proposed a page move at Talk:List of Ultras of Malay Archipelago. Your participation in whatever discussion ensues would be appreciated. Thank you. --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 22:13, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
OK. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 08:30, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Bat photo[edit]

How did you identify File:Catched Pteropus giganteus.jpg? It does not look like Pteropus giganteus, but it looks suspiciously like Eidolon helvum, a species kept in many zoos around the world. Cheers, RN1970 (talk) 21:24, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

The owner put a sign with the latin name next to the bat at the exhibition. Greetings, --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 06:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I'll forward a link to it to a friend of mine (bat expert) and see what he says. RN1970 (talk) 17:05, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you!I hope, he can solve the problem. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 20:09, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Delayed because he was on a field trip and unfortunately his reply indicates some uncertainty. Reproduced with permission: "Most higher level bat identification is based on things like teeth. It is perhaps Rousettus aegyptiacus. It does not look like Pteropus giganteus which differ in structure and color (muzzle and scrotum blackish)." RN1970 (talk) 19:50, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! I will ask one more time the experts in German Wikipedia. --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 18:45, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

East Timorese elections[edit]

Actually your English seems to be very good, so I wouldn't worry about that - you would certainly be able to translate better than I could (I speak German, but only just enough to use this excellent referendum database. If you'd like to work together on it, perhaps you could draft a translation and I will then refine it? Number 57 17:00, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

A quick question - how many seats did Frenti-Mudança and FRETILIN hold in Parliament before the election? I assume FRETILIN was reduced to less than the 21 it won at the last elections, as there were some breakaways (like Frenti-Mudança)? I just need the info to complete the infobox. Number 57 14:21, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Leti (island)[edit]

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It is not taken from indahnesia, it is from Leti Islands. ;-) --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 14:41, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for adding to Tutuala. If you have any more references which I could use pl let me know.--Nvvchar. 01:19, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome. You can always have a look to the German articles. Most sources there are in English. Greetings, --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 05:34, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Tutuala[edit]

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Languages of East Timor according Census 2010)

Okay, I'm seriously confused. According to Hull and evidently Engelenhoven (2006), which I don't have access to,[2] Dadu'a is spoken in Galoli territory west of Manatuto town by immigrants from Atauro, and the three Atauran dialects are the three R's that are erroneously called "Adabe" in Ethnologue. (I don't know what the real Adabe on the mainland is. Maybe Bunak?) That would explain why Dadu'a has been thought to be a dialect of Galoli.[3] Indeed, Bowden & Hajek (2007)p. 12 show Rahesuk as the dialect of both central and north Atauro. However, census data shows the north of Atauro to be the densest region for Dadu'a (indeed, Ethnologue shows this region as being Galoli-speaking, perhaps having mistaken the nature of Galoli influence on Dadu'a in Manatuto as meaning that Atauran Dadu'a is a Galoli dialect), with Rahesuk spoken in the center of the island (here).

So, is the 2010 census correct and Hull wrong? 2ary sources claim that Hull says Dadu'a is a Wetarese (as opposed to Galoli) dialect, but AFAICT he never mentions it. — kwami (talk) 23:36, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Kwami!

  • Dadu'a is spoken on Manatuto coast, surrounded of Gaoli-speaker. Census (compare to map) and Hull have same opinion. Green tickY
  • Hull call Dadu'a an Wetarese dialect. Same the R3 at Atauro.
  • Your source (Penn) says Dadu'a has influence of Galoli, but "the closest relatives to Dadu'a are the 3 varieties of Ataúro". So, Hull and Penn do not have different opinions. Dadu'a seems to be a Wetar dialect.
  • Different informations are about, which is the dominant Wetar-dialect in de:Biqueli, the north of Atauro island. Nearly 92 % of Biqueli people are speaking Dadu'a according Census, A little more than 1 % are using Rahesuk, which is dominating Central and North central Atauro. 6 % are speaking Tetum Prasa and a little minority Makasae Census in suco Biqueli. Hull et al. do not giving figures about the number of Rahesuk speakers there. The first counting of mother tongue speakers was in 2006, maybe Hull's sources are not acurated, because his papers are older, although he was director of Instituto Nacional de Linguística Osttimors until 2007.
  • Other possibility: People in Northern Atauro are calling their language Dadu'a, although it is closer to Rahesuk, than to Timor-Dadu'a!
  • Don't let be confused by the map, which is showing the percentage of Dadu'a speakers in evrey suco. Only 1.656 Dadu'a of 3.146 in whole East Timor are living in Dili district. 1.400 are living in Manatuto, which making them there nearly as big group.

Greetings, --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 12:01, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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Correction request for East Timor as a secular state from the incorrect classification as an ambiguous state in the File:Secular States Map.svg[edit]


Can you correct East Timor as a secular state in the File:Secular States Map.svg, because Section 1 of Section (Article) 45 in the East Timorese Constitution, specifically states that "...religion and worship and the religious denominations are separated from the State." which explicitly classifies East Timor as secular state (and not an ambiguous one)? Constitution of the Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:54, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello! I can not edit SVG-files, but I will ask someone I know. ;-) --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 12:18, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the update request. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:21, 16 October 2014 (UTC)


I see you fixed Tilomar->Tilomar Subdistrict. Can you also fix: Dom Aleixo, Quelicai, Railaco, Remexio, Vemasse, Vera Cruz (East Timor)? (talk) 10:25, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello! If I have time, I can do. But I have limited internet access in the moment and normally I am not editing a lot in enWP. Gretings, --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 10:44, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! With 30 seconds per move it could be done in around three minutes. Best regards (talk) 11:17, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Did zou ever tried it on a Tablet from PR China? :-D --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 11:34, 14 September 2015 (UTC)