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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 87.8.242.31 (talk) at 17:33, 27 January 2011 (→‎Please put "eighth"). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Naming PSP2 vs PSP Successor

A discussion to see if the article should be titled PlayStation Portable 2 vs PlayStation Portable Successor. I'll cite WP:COMMONNAME which would go in favor of PlayStation Portable 2, its more commonly referred to in almost all of the sources as the PSP2 instead of the PSP Successor. Also given Sony's naming conventions, it may be alright to assume that they would name the next portable as the PSP2. I'm fine with both but I'm leaning towards the former for clarity, it may be unofficial but it's something most people would understand.KiasuKiasiMan 14:33, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd have to agree - either is fine, but "2" probably better. It's not like the PS Move which had no clear or obvious name before it became PlayStation Move. Alphathon™ (talk) 14:46, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]


"Do not put eighth"

Hi. I was just wondering what you (KiasuKiasiMan) meant by "Do not put eighth, there is no eighth generation yet" in the generation box. If you mean that there is no actual page yet, that is contrary to WP:RED, which more-or-less says red links are fine (and even encouraged) if they point to an article that will exist in the future (which is the case unless the existing articles are renamed). If you mean because the 8th-gen hasn't "started" yet, then that makes no sense since both the PSP2 (or whatever it is called) and 3DS will be 8th-gen devices (they aren't 7th gen, since that's the PSP and DS) - they don't "become" 8th gen when they launch. Both devices are 8th gen regardless of whether there is a "History of video game consoles (eighth generation)" page yet.

Just as a note, I don't really care that much either way whether it is included, I'm just trying to figure out the rationale.

Alphathon™ (talk) 07:27, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I understand where you're coming from. Too me it doesn't really matter, but even the Nintendo 3DS page doesn't use the eight generation in its infobox. It's not really umm, official I guess. Anyway I put the note there just to leave it as it is since there have been numerous edits over it. Someone puts seventh generation, then it gets changed to eight generation then it gets changed again to eighth generation then removed. So to prevent any future editing wars, I decided to leave it as blank. However, if you want to put a red link to eighth generation its also fine by me. As long as there are no constant edits to it.KiasuKiasiMan 04:12, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I don't think it's really going to lead to edit wars regardless though. I'm the one who changes it from "eight" from "eighth", simply because it is consistent with the naming convention for previous pages. I can't speak for anyone else, but it seems to me there isn't any conflict here, just misunderstanding.
Basically, you create the page, presumably with text copied from the PSP article or something. IP (75.34.203.141) comes along, realises it is wrong (since the PSP & DS is 7th Gen) and changes it to eight. It appears in my watchlist and I change to eighth (due to current conventions) rather than deleting it (due to how I'm interpreting the redlinking policy). I'm not sure why Guinea pig warrior removed the infobox, but the link went with it. Then, you restored the infobox along with "seventh" (presumably just part of a blanket restore to a "good" version). It's then re-changed to eight by 75.34.203.141 and re-fixed by me. Then Sergecross73 removes it, presumably because of the redlink.
None of that seems malicious to me, and doesn't seem to be an attempt to drive it towards one outcome. As I said, I'm not really fussed either way - blank is fine, plain text "eighth" is fine, and a redlink "eighth" is fine.
Alphathon™ (talk) 10:51, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please put "eighth"

If Sony is calling Next Generaton Portable his new console, this means that they consider the future hardware a generation after the current, so it is an eight generation hardware. --87.8.242.31 (talk) 11:37, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, don't put that. There is not an 8th gen yet. It doesn't exist. Otherwise, care to explain why there is a History of video game consoles (seventh generation) but not an History of video game consoles (eighth generation) page? Sergecross73 msg me 13:26, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well that argument makes no sense (there's no article therefore it doesn't exist). The article doesn't exist for the same reason that many other articles don't exist and others are stubs - because it hasn't been made yet, not because the subject doesn't exist. Even if the page doesn't exist and isn't linked, the fact that the PSP is 7th gen and this is its successor makes it 8th gen by definition. Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ (talk) 14:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The 8 gen article has been deleted, I believe, like 5 times. Every time it's because of WP:CRYSTAL. Why would we tag this article with a concept that is continually deleted? Sergecross73 msg me 15:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say it had to be linked - it can be added as plain text (i.e. added as "Eighth" rather than "Eighth"). Besides, we actually have info on both the 3DS and the NGP, so if "History of video game consoles (eighth generation)" were to be re-created now it wouldn't fall under WP:CRYSTAL (since it can be verifiably sourced and would in no way be speculation… at least about the handhelds). I'm not saying it should be created at this point, but it certainly could be and be completely legit. Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ (talk) 15:53, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, try yourself to create a similar article on the Eight Generation consoles. I support you. We'll see if the same people that said "there is no eight generation" will delete this again. Since Sony just announced the PSP as a "Next Generation Portable" this alone should be a proof of the existance of an "eight generation" after the seventh. But I can imagine that those people will delete that article again and again, only because they are well respected in Wikipedia and could impose their toughts over the editing. --87.8.242.31 (talk) 16:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there's really enough info to justify an article at this point (and certainly not enough that I know personally). I think it should be labeled as the 8th gen in the infobox, but that doesn't necessarily mean there needs to be a linked article about it (just as there doesn't need to be a link to "Holiday 2011" or the word million in "16 million colors").

P.S. It's Eighth generation, not Eight generation - eighth (8th) means "the one that comes at point number eight in the series" (or similar); eight is just the name of the number 8.

Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ (talk) 16:55, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is already sufficient informations to write an article summarizing the two upcoming portable consoles, but we can just wait for the release of the 3DS before starting such page on Wikipedia. But the meaning of my observations is that without a general consensus about the classification there will always be someone who will delete the words "eighth generation" from the NGP and 3DS pages.
P.S.: I wrote "eight" instead of "eighth" because of my distraction, if you see i wrote correctly the word "seventh".

--87.8.242.31 (talk) 17:33, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, but the next generation in console gaming is here, and it is represented by the Nintendo 3DS and the next Playstation Portable. But, as you say, someone here in Wikipedia still thinks that a new generation don't start if the console manifacturers don't say so (as if they had said that for previous generations, but in reality that didn't happened). These people now should be happy, because Sony just called their console Next Generation Portable, so if this hardware is "next" to the current "generation" (the seventh, I suppose... Or there are still doubt in this?) it should be logically an eight generation console. --87.8.242.31 (talk) 16:27, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
While I agree that there is now more of a basis on which to start that article (we can just go by WP:CALC), I would hold off on creating it pending discussion on the matter at WikiProject Video games. --Dorsal Axe 16:06, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reveal Date

According to the video in this link, http://www.ign.com/videos/2010/12/17/ign-daily-fix-011211 the reveal date for the PSP2 wil take place on January 26 at a Tokyo conference. Crowned jester (talk) 14:27, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hardware Specs

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/110127a_e.html

Information

I've no interest in rewriting the article, but for those that do, a live blog of the event with information on the console's capabilities, design, and announced games. The Clawed One (talk) 08:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/27/ps_meeting_2011/

Requested move

PlayStation Portable successor → Next Generation Portable — This is the official codename, so this should be the name of the page.--KiasuKiasiMan 13:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose "next generation portable" is a very generic title used to talk about many things. It should atleast have Sony as part of the name. (Even then, The MD was the next generation portable to the Walkman... etc.) SCE NGP maybe, as the article states, the codename is "NGP", not "Next Generation Portable". And it is a Sony Computer Entertainment product. 184.144.169.126 (talk) 13:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - It's much better to use the official code name, "NGP", than a placeholder one created by "wikipedians". The media is using it all over the place now, it'd be very confusing NOT to change it. Sergecross73 msg me 13:41, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - aside from Sony using this at this moment, is there any official statement that this name will be changed? GameLegend (talk) 14:21, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure, but I think it's just to be assumed, as it wouldn't be much of a final name. Names like that don't age well. (Imagine how confusing it'd be when they're dealing with an assumed "PSP 3" 5-10 years in the future...) Sergecross73 msg me 14:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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