Talk:Marvel Cinematic Universe

spiderman?

isn't spiderman in the same universe? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.143.194 (talk) 18:32, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

No. The Spider-Man rights are owned by Sony and therefore they are not allowed to cross-over characters with the those films produced by Marvel Studios (see Louis Leterrier's comments on being unable to call the university Empire State University as Sony have the Spidey rights). While this may change in future, for the time being they are not in the same universe. Planewalker Dave (talk) 23:58, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Likewise a similar problem (movie rights not owned by marvel) with including the x-men and the Fantastic 4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.34.77 (talk) 01:07, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Interesting to note, the movie Incredible Hulk follows up the story from Hulk, albeit with a different cast (except for Ferrigno). Does this make the first Hulk film part of the Marvel Cinemaverse?

Um, no it isn't. Watch the beginning of Incredible Hulk again. They changed the origin story, the events of the first movie, and the personality of General Ross. Its a reboot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.173.49 (talk) 14:15, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Also, I for one would like to see the Daredevil (director's cut, mind, not the theatrical release) and Elektra movies tie into the Marvel Cinemaverse, but I'm patient enough to wait to see what they do post-Avengers

It's a shame they won't tie Spidey's films or the F4 films into the Avengers films - officially at least. (The X-films can stand on their own - they practically do in the comics anyways) Easter eggs would greatly help, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.231.173.225 (talk) 18:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Would it be wise to include a section of the article to explain why Spiderman, Fantastic 4, and X-Men are NOT part of this cinematic universe? My first thought after reading this article was "Why no mention of X-Men?" I think the casual Wikipedia reader wouldn't look to the discussion panel. This might also fend off erroneous edits. Brendanmccabe (talk) 16:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

that dosent sound bad, mmm why dosent anybody do an articule abotu it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eagc7 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

The lead is clear, "superhero films developed by Marvel Studios". We do not have to list every film not developed by Marvel Studios.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I added the word "independently" to further clarify this point.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 00:01, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I still disagree that the lead is sufficiently clear. I will concede that my edit may have been too wordy, though. Is there a happy medium? How many other articles have clarifying statements like "For the original 1994 movie, see..."? I just think a brief statement is needed. Also why was the "see also" section removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brendanmccabe (talk • contribs) 01:13, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

The see also section was removed becuase it imples that the linked article is related (or "in the same universe") to this article. The "for" template used in some articles are for unrelated topics of the name. Neither approach is applicable here.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 02:20, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Cast box

The custom for these kind of charts (with, say, List of frequent Coen Brothers collaborators or Brat Pack (actors) seems to limit the chart to people that appear in at least two productions, which makes sense: the article is about the overlap between these films. So I've eliminated the characters who only appear in a single production. -leigh (φθόγγος) 20:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Phil Coulson

I don't think it's needed yet, but I have created a userspace draft for Agent Phil Coulson from Iron Man, Iron Man 2, and Thor. Feel free to edit it.  :) --Boycool42 (talk) 03:13, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Unlikely But Perhaps Worth Mentioning

Could Ivan Vanko be Col. Rhodes's "wrong call" (also named "Ivan") mentioned in Iron Man? --Boycool42 (talk) 15:35, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Unless cited by a reliable source it would be considered original research and not premitted.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I was mostly joking. But, it could be a reference to Iron Man 2 like Whiplash 1 and Whiplash 2. --Boycool42 (talk) 16:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Where does the name come from?

Why is this article called "Marvel Cinematic Universe" in the first place? Are there sources that call it as such? What about the fact that it only encompasses movies released by Marvel Studios, and not other film adaptations like those of X-Men, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, etc.? WesleyDodds (talk) 00:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

This is all explained and cited in the article but heres the refereced that is used [1] a long with a quick google search other uses of the phrase [2]. Regarding your other edits, the information is presented in the best format possible for the readers to obtain in way that is focused on the shared universe as a whole rather than individually which is the focus of this article. Simply writing out the same information in prose would not benefit the reader.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 09:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Just a note the name "Marvel Cinematic Universe" also appears on the back cover of the Iron Man 2 blu-ray.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Character suggestion

I have heard many complaints regarding both the amount of tables on this page, and differentiating between recurring and non-recurring characters. Therefore I propose that we link a new page Entitled List of characters and cast in the Marvel Cinematic Universe This would both allow us to sort by recurring and non-recurring characters, and lower the dependency on tables on this main page. --Dann135 (talk) 14:04, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

First off... Where are the complaints? It doesn't look like they've been posted to this talk page or your user talk. Could you provide a link to those discussions?

Beyond that, as it stands the article seems fine. The character table is limited to the topic at hand - the interlinking of the Avenger's related films. A secondary "combined "full" cast lists" table seems to be overkill. - J Greb (talk) 18:49, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm just saying that by only showing Recurring characters, important characters may be left out while lesser characters that have been shown only in sequels to their respective films are included. There has to be a better way to organize than simply "recurring" --Dann135 (talk) 14:04, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

The focus of this article is the universe as a whole, not individual films. For the full cast list of characters appearing in specific films you should see their respective articles.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:13, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Something like this? userspace draft, (anyway gusy feel free to edit and add speuclated actors and filsm there :)) —Preceding undated comment added 23:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC).

That is overkill and not truly notable enough for its own article.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 03:02, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Order of Cast

With the most screentime in MCU, most appearances in films (soon to be tied with Clark Gregg and Samuel L. Jackson), and protaganist Chris Evans stating that "no one tells [him] what to do"*, shouldn't "Tony Stark / Iron Man" (Robert Downey Jr.) be listed at the top? --Boycool42 (talk) 23:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I changed the order to reflect the order of apperance with the four leads of each film followed by the rest.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 10:41, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Also put characters first appearing in Iron Man in alphabetical order. So the order of the cast box is this: Leads of each movie by film order followed by the rest by film order and alphabetical order within that film.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:19, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Future Section

MMMMMM i was thinking. Should we Add Info of the Possible Hulk Sequel There? sicne the Hulk reboot ocnintuy are part of marvel cinematic unvierse so i think the sequel needs to be mentioend there.--Eagc7 (talk)

Hulk 2 Shield and Iron man 3

i Know they have been onyl Annocued and arent on develoemt nor production, But sicne these pages arent gonig to Made Until 2012 or 2013, but i decided to make an userspace draft for Both films, So Yeah, Feel free to edit and add Speucalted Actros and characters until Offical confriamtion shwos up User:Eagc7/S.H.I.E.L.D (film), User:Eagc7/Iron Man 3. --Eagc7 —Preceding undated comment added 22:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC).

made oen for the planend sequel to the incredible hulk User:Eagc7/The Incredible Huk 2 --Eagc7

Origin of the term

The article had credited Marvel Studios had Kevin Feige as the coiner of the term. He may well be, but not according to the two citations given here. The first cite here uses the term "Marvel Cinematic Universe" as one of the subheads between Feige quotes. Feige himself does not actually use the term:

"Iron Man" and "The Incredible Hulk" wound up being the first films we produced at Marvel Studios by ourselves. It was great to get those titles back in our own hands. When you know the characters as well as we do, it's great to look at their cinematic potential. We had a lot of names on the list when it came to casting Tony Stark, but Robert Downey Jr.'s quickly rose to the top. Then, getting Samuel L. Jackson to make a cameo as Nick Fury was also huge. After that, Robert was nice enough to stop by the "Incredible Hulk" set. This set up that Marvel Studio films are really going to bring the Marvel Universe to the big screen-the films are no longer their own separate island, and you never know what to expect.

The second cite here, an article by Alasdair Wilkins, uses the term once, and not in a Feige quote. Wilkins writes: "Indeed, with so many of their preceding projects in the newly dubbed Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) underway, Feige is now ready to begin serious work on...."

If Feige himself verifiably coined the term, we should say that. But we need verification, and these two citations show only journalists using the term, not Feige himself. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Found verification — and Feige doesn't call it this

I found this source, MovieWeb.com, for a direct Kevin Feige quote referring NOT to the "Marvel Cinematic Universe" but to the "Marvel Cinema Universe":

Feige continued, telling his enraptured audience, "Now at least we can talk about Hulk being onscreen and Hulk being in a movie. I think we can go to something that isn't a surreal experience and is more a Marvel movie experience. It can tie into and be a part of this Marvel Cinema Universe that I've talked about."

I considered that MovieWeb.com might have transcribed his spoken statement incorrectly. But at least one other site recorded it as "Marvel Cinema Universe" as well, MovieGuys. The original MovieWeb article refers to an "enraptured audience," giving the impression of a press conference, so presumably others have reported on this as well.

If the fan press has entrenched the term "Marvel Cinematic Universe," then so be it. Our choices are to call it what the company itself calls it, which requires moving this article; or nothing that Feige and Marvel call it the "Marvel Cinema Universe" and that the fan press subsequently dubbed it the "Marvel Cinematic Universe." What does the Comics Project say?

The articles wording might need some correcting as far as the origin is concerned but the articles name should remain per WP:COMMONNAME. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is the common name now used by fans, the media and the company as stated in your first link as well by its inclusion on the Iron Man 2 blu-ray that I pointed out above.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:50, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Feige uses the term

Heres a quote from Feige from SuperHeroHype.com

Listen, I never say never. Anything's possible. If you asked me five years ago, I wouldn't have thought we'd be talking about "The Avengers" now. For the time being, there's only one place for connective tissue within the Marvel Universe and within this new MCU, Marvel Cinematic Universe that we're building and those are in the Marvel Studios movies.

--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Great! Nice piece of researching! I'll readjust the article to reflect. Nice work, TripleT! --Tenebrae (talk) 22:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Child actor

Should Davin Ransom be added to the cast list under Tony Stark in Iron Man 2. He played the young Tony in the flash back scene. link: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Poniverse/news/?a=16633 -- 81.149.142.178 (talk) 14:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I think so. Is he listed in the credits? If so, then we don't really need the link. --Boycool (talk) 14:52, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

He is actually credited as "young Tony Stark" so unless young Tonk Stark appears in another MCU film, I would decline to include him.--[[UZ--Boycool (talk) 21:38, 8 December 2010 (UTC)ser:TriiipleThreat|TriiipleThreat]] (talk) 17:34, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

This just seems like a technicality to me. We aren't dealing with alternate timelines/universes (yet), so I don't think it's any different than having Ransom listed as "Tony Stark, age 7", "...8", "...9", etc. They're obviously the same character. --Boycool (talk) 18:47, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Agreed we dont make the distinction between the different age portrayals of Howard Stark. As long as there is star/note stating that he was playing a child/young Stark then i can see any harm. --- Paulley (talk) 18:48, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge there isn't any precedent here, so to say "we dont make the distinction between the different age portrayals of Howard Stark" seems misleading. My concern is that only one of the roles is of note and avoiding undue weight. However these are only minor concerns of mine and if consensus is to include the information then I will not object.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:16, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd have to go along with TriiipleThreat. There are countless movies where someone plays the character as a child in a minor role, and such actors aren't considered the character as primarily known. A child actor had a minor supporting role as the young Charles Foster Kane in Citizen Kane, but no one says that Kane, as the movie's protagonist, was played by anyone other than Orson Welles. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:41, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

If we wish to remain encyclopedic, then it would be wrong not to include Ransom as a portrayor of the character. It's sourced and credited within the film, so there is no reason not to include him. --Boycool (talk) 21:38, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

A encyclopedia by definition as a compendium does not retrain every bit of knowledge only what is determined to be notable information. And per our own notability guidelines this information does not seem to meet that criteria.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Here is a precedent. The implication that Robert Downey, Jr. is the only portrayor of Tony Stark is entirely false. This place was designed to help people, not lie to them. --Boycool (talk) 23:55, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

It's been several weeks and no one has objected. I'm adding it. --Boycool (talk) 12:28, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

No, editors have objected. The matter had appeared settled by consensus. If you want to open an RfC, please do. What I see is a matter divided, and in that instance, we err on the side of not including contentious information. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:20, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

And in any event, the line says "Tony Stark/Iron Man". The child actor doesn't play Iron Man. Including him is misleading.--Tenebrae (talk) 15:22, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Edward Norton never played the Hulk, but he is still listed as such. Besides, "/" usually indicates "or" rather than "and". --Boycool (talk) 12:22, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually a virgule stands for "and-or", but that's beside the point. You are' right about Norton — the Hulk was CGI, and if we're saying Norton played the Hulk, rather than Bruce Banner, that needs to be adjusted. At Iron Man (film), the question is: Who is playing Iron Man — the protagonist, title character and point of the whole thing? (While there';s some CGI, Downey is indeed in an Iron Man suit throughout.) Whereas whoever played Tony Stark as a child in a bit part is beside the point and muddles the issue. I don't believe that's helpful: When someone is looking up who plays the superheroes, having two names does not tell you that, and takes away from, rather than contributes to, clarity. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:31, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

The fact that Robert Downey, Jr. is the main portrayer of Tony Stark/Iron Man is included several times in the article, and a change in one slot of a cast and characters table will not affect this clarity. Rather than scroll through pages on IMBd or endure the film's six minutes of end credits, people can come to this article and learn in the simplest of ways that Davin Ransom played a young Tony Stark. Besides, it's not hurting anything. How do we clarify that although Robert Downey, Jr. is the main portrayer of Tony Stark and/or Iron Man in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, a young version of the character was played by Davin Ransom in Iron Man 2?

Robert Downey, Jr.

Davin Ransom (young Tony)

--Boycool (talk) 02:51, 13 January 2011 (UTC):

Then the place for that level of specificity about one particular movie is at Iron Man 2, not in a general article about the entire Marvel movie universe. In the interest of cooperation, I have found an RS newspaper citation for Davin Ransom and included it in the Iron Man 2 cast section. -- Tenebrae (talk) 03:02, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

A Few More

Wikipedia has gotten really picky about what info can be put up in the last few years, so I'm going to ask very cautiously: is anyone going to burn me at the stake if I add a few characters to the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigfatcarp93 (talk • contribs) 02:40, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't think anyone would mind at all if an editor added notable characters with proper reliable-source citation. And while the humorous hyperbole of "burn me at the stake" might be taken as perhaps a little needlessly sarcastic, I, for one, applaud the collaborative quality that led you to bring your point up on the talk page. Bigfatcarpe diem! : ) --Tenebrae (talk) 03:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Marvel Cinematic Universe comics

Joe Queseda confirmed that Marvel is working on making comic books based within the MCU to expand the universe. http://www.dailyblam.com/news/2010/11/01/marvel-cinematic-universe-expanding-with-its-own-comic-book-stories Should this be added? Along with titles of the comics already published that's based in the MCU such as Iron Man: Viva La Vida, I Am Iron Man, Iron Man: Agents of SHIELD (I think that's what it's called?) and other titles based in the MCU. JAR Head 02:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foretboy3000 (talk • contribs)

Hawkeye claim

While The Wrap is a reliable source, the claim that Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye has a cameo in Thor is anonymously sourced, and the most we could say is "the trade-news site The Wrap said an anonymous source claimed to have seen an early cut of the film, which included Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye." When we express it like that, we can see how tenuous a claim that is. Even if it's true and not studio misinformation, anything can happen between a January cut and a May cut after test screenings, trims for lengths, etc. Finally, I think the fact that Renner forcefully denied it in the same article injects enough doubt that an encyclopedia cannot report his appearance as solid fact, which is all an encyclopedia should contain. He may well be in the film, but at this stage it's just an anonymously sourced claim whose reliability is unknown. We're on no WP:DEADLINE to report breaking rumors; we should only report solid fact. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:35, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Would it be encyclopaedic to discuss the rumour as something that had frequently been a question which would come up, before wrapping up that situation when the release of the film has happened? There are various cast interviews where the question springs up. Maybe we can discuss it like "despite sources such as <source a>, <source b etc> stating that Renner has a cameo, Renner has denied it, while Chris Hemsworth states not having done a scene involving Renner, and Feige choosing not to comment on it." And should it be the case that there is such a cameo scene, it would be just a case of adding "However, upon release of the film..." Just an idea, if it is such a issue. Thoughts? -- Harish (Talk) - 18:19, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia inst the place to address rumors, just the facts.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:28, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the claim is not worth including at this point. I think the fact that it is a cameo makes it relatively unimportant, where such discussion about an actor for a starring role may have some merit. It is worth waiting this out and seeing if this cameo really will happen. Erik (talk | contribs) 21:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I concur. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 15:30, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Natalie Portman as Jane Foster in The Avengers

http://www.badtaste.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19324&Itemid=86

Chris Hemsworth states that Natalie Portman will be in the Avengers. I recommend updating the recurring characters page for that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.75.125 (talk) 15:24, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

• The source is in Italian, but Google Chrome translated it to English for me. Still, I'm not sure this BadTaste.it is reliable.

And where do we stand with the Avengers?

Hemsworth: "I'm going to get the final script, while I have read many drafts. We start shooting in May. "

He read comic books to prepare?

Hemsworth: "Yes, I gave them to Joss Whedon, and the strangest thing is that they gave me before I came to know that he would be directing the film"

There will also be Natalie Portman?

Hemsworth: "Yes, Natalie will be playing"

--Boycool (talk) 15:43, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm also not familiar with badtaste.it, in these cases its best to wait it out. If it is true then a RS we're more familiar with will pick it up. Remember WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NORUSH.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 21:13, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Remove Thor References

the film is already out on Australia so why dont we removed the references sicne its have been already released?

References from third party reliable sources are always good and never hurt.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 23:49, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Okie Dokie, Then why dont you or anybody try to put some sources for The actors apeprances in Iron Man 1, 2 and hulk?

Proposal for a new table to replace Marvel Cinematic Universe#Films

I had a go at developing the table a little, adding in producers and removing distributor as I believe producer to be more important than who is releasing it. Tried to remove all the excessive white space, neaten it out and generally improve it on an aesthetic and organisation level. I don't claim it to be perfect, may need some tweaking but I think it would be an improvement, but I thought I'd get input rather than just go change it Darkwarriorblake (talk) 15:27, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Film	Release date	Director	Writer(s)	Producer(s)	Distributor
Released films
Iron Man	May 2, 2008 (2008-05-02)	Jon Favreau	Art Marcum, Hawk Ostby, John August, Mark Fergus and Matt Holloway	Avi Arad and Kevin Feige	Paramount Pictures
The Incredible Hulk	June 13, 2008 (2008-06-13)	Louis Leterrier	Zak Penn and Edward Norton (uncredited)	Avi Arad, Gale Anne Hurd and Kevin Feige	Universal Pictures
Iron Man 2	April 26, 2010 (2010-04-26) (Los Angeles Premiere) May 7, 2010 (2010-05-07) (United States)	Jon Favreau	Justin Theroux	Kevin Feige and Susan Downey	Paramount Pictures
Thor	April 21, 2011 (2011-04-21) (Australia) May 6, 2011 (2011-05-06) (United States)	Kenneth Branagh	Screenplay: Ashley Edward Miller, Don Payne, Zack Stentz Story: J. Michael Straczynski and Mark Protosevich	Kevin Feige
Future films
Captain America: The First Avenger	July 22, 2011 (2011-07-22) (Post production)	Joe Johnston	Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely	Kevin Feige	Paramount Pictures
The Avengers	May 4, 2012 (2012-05-04) (Filming)	Joss Whedon	Joss Whedon	Kevin Feige	Walt Disney Pictures
Proposed films
Iron Man 3	May 3, 2013 (2013-05-03) (Proposed)				Walt Disney Pictures
List indicator(s) A dark grey cell indicates information is not available for this film.

Looks good, I would change it to a more neutral color though.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:35, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Very welcome and ambitious work! Some comments: The red banners seem a little overpowering and can probably be smaller. The Shane Black item needs to be footnoted unless the Iron Man 3 article verifies it there. "Screenlay" and "Story" may not need to be boldface; could we see how it looks regular font. Finally, I myself would like to see the distributor, since between Fox, Paramount and who-knows-who-else, it's been a mix, and there does seem to be room. Overall, though — nice work! --Tenebrae (talk) 15:38, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Suggestions? I used red in most of the tables I've done just because it strikes me but I'm open to anything. Is there a central Avengers colour? Gold? Gold seems like it'd be pretty ugly in practice. Oh yeah, Gold looks bad. I like the blue though. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 15:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

The blue is nice, and you're right, the white-letters-on-gold don't really work. Actually, and my fault for not being clearer, it's not so much the bold red that seemed overpowering, but the sheer size of the banners. Perhaps they could be not as tall? --Tenebrae (talk) 15:49, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, by footnote for Shane Black, I mean to a reliable-source WP:citation. Additionally, we can't say "currently," as it's a WP:DATED vio; it'd have to be "As of [date of reliable-source citation], ..." --Tenebrae (talk) 15:50, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Changed to more neutral format, made some other minor changes for indention and capitalization.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:54, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Y'know, I think TriiipleThreat is on to something — it's more staid and serious-looking now. I've taken the liberty of subduing a couple of pieces of boldface text. Thoughts? --Tenebrae (talk) 15:58, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

As far as I've been able to tell through experimentation, the only way to shrink the size of the headers is to remove the header "=" turning it into regular text. If you move the text onto the same line as the code for the row it stops working for whatever reason. And on a personal level, I think the colour other than grey makes the information more presentable. Not something that should become a cacophony of rainbow, a nice, dark, subdued colour makes an article more interesting in my opinion like the addition of photos. See List of Scream cast members. On a personal level, the aesthetic of that is vastly improved by the colour addition to what would otherwise just be a long table of grey and darker grey. It's purely an aesthetic decision mind. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 16:14, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I like the divisible headers, though not really needed at his point, it makes navigation easier. I really don't mind the previous color just be wary of WP:COLOR and MOS:BOLD issues. I think that's one reason WP:COMICS went back to all neutral navboxes. I also added the distributor column per Tenebrae's suggestion.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 16:27, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Well I'm happy for colour to be accepted by consensus. I definitely don't think it'd be like a comic situation. When combined with pictures and such as this article grows and more information on the avengers becomes available, I think the colour will work. Distributor column looks fine though I think each entry should be it's own row even if it does have the same distributor, I can't think of a specific examples at the moment but even films that have the same director seem to have separate entries for each rather than rowspanning them. I will try to find a nice subdued colour that adds a little life to the table. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 16:34, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Just clarifying, I don't mean to indicate it would have separate colours in practice, just showing different colours for demonstration purposes. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

The first color is fine.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:31, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I also threw this together for the cast section if you fancy it, they seem to have them on a lot of tv shows with core casts...You know, if you arranged the photos properly, it'd be like a flip animation moving their head from left to right. Think it'd be...Ruffalo>Jackson>Evans>Hemsworth>Downey... EDIT You could probably add Johanson and Remmer to it if Ruffalo is in it. Possibly Hiddleston too since he's the only recurring major villain.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:34, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Moved to here to avoid the talk page updating every time I edit something. --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Darkwarriorblake/Sandbox

I don't think we need a Main cast section, it really doesn't add anything not already stated in the current recurring cast section. TV series articles tend us that table on the main article then go into detail with additional cast members in a separate article as not to let the main article become bogged down with minor roles. Also it doesnt really apply here because were dealing with multiple works not a single work.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 21:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't mean create a new section, I would've just put it above the cast table.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:08, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I know I must sound like Pollyanna, but every tweak being made so far just makes this thing better. I love the black-on-grey/blue banners. This kind of fruitful collaboration makes me feel so good about being a part of Wikipedia. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:44, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Since no-one seems to have any issues with it I'm going to transplant it onto the main page. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:58, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey, is Punisher War Zone not part of this universe? I thought that was done by Marvel. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

That's a really good question. So far, I don't think Kevin Feige or others at Marvel have talked about the Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men and Punisher movies as part of the Marvel Cinematic canon, so far as I know, which doesn't mean they won't be considered as such in the future. And the Spider-Man reboot and planned FF reboot just add to the confusion. What to do? I dunno! Hence, "really good question"! --Tenebrae (talk) 22:49, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I think since Sony own Spider-Man film rights and Marvel can't include him in their films he doesn't count, same with X-Men and Fantastic Four which i think are both owned by Fox. But I THOUGHT Punisher reverted back to Marvel, maybe I am wrong. I think the big decider is that the films here all take place in the same universe where they are able to meet each other.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Marvel Studios didnt acquire the rights to The Punisher until July 2010, Punisher: War Zone was released in 2008. So it is not apart of the MCU but any future punisher films will become a part of this universe. Its detailed in the Future plans section of the article.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 01:45, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed films

Should this be changed to "In development" to distinguish between films that are in active development from films whose ideas have only been discussed at this point?--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Sounds fair to me. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 13:47, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Spider-Man?

Why aren't the Spider-man films included in this?69.134.221.93 (talk) 04:11, 8 May 2011 (UTC)