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Death days

Cervantes and Shakespeare tomorrow 195.70.32.136 10:28, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The main page generally does not list birth or death dates except for extremely well-known individuals (IMHO these individuals qualify) and only on major anniversaries (multiples of 100). As the deaths in question occurred in 1616, the next major anniversary will not be until 2016. --Allen3 talk 15:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
World Book Day is on the Main Page. Would User:195.70.32.136 be satisfied? -- 199.71.174.100 04:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"In the News" copy-editing

"... discosing the existance..."? Geez. --Calton | Talk 14:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My bad. Raul654 14:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling

There appear to be two spelling errors in the news section of the main page. First: "...existance of CIA..." should be "...existence of CIA...". Second: "...high ranking analysist..." should be "...high ranking analyst...". 10:47 a.m. 22 April 2006

Someone already fixed the news section. Thanks for pointing this out. FellowWikipedian 1:05 pm 22 April 2006 (UTC)

More ITN Copyediting

And I think it should be "high-ranking," not "high ranking." There should also be a period at the end of the first news item. And perhaps someone should put (flag pictured) next to Nepal. joturner 15:23, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The hyphen has been added. Thanks for pointing that out. Instead of adding (flag pictured), I've moved the Nepal item to the top, next to the flag. -- PFHLai 18:07, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Opening line

Turkish literature refers to literature written in the Turkish language. Well well. Isn't that a bit of a lousy statement to begin the main page with? I don't think it will impress the people who will arrive here for the very first time today. Piet 00:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, so it goes. But you did put a period in a place where there wasn't a period; i.e., the sentence continues and gives a bit more information than you suggest it does. Anyhow, it's off the main page now, so hopefully people can now continue to be impressed. —Saposcat 07:53, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hu Jintao's visit

I'm surprised it didn't make it to "the News". Oh well, it's already over, so too bad. -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 01:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • What would the article topic be? Only Wikinews could cover one specific diplomatic visit, and there is no need to mention the visit in either Hu's or Bush's bio. Harro5 04:43, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As far as summits go, it wasn't much of one -- a lot of the stories focused on how little was accomplished from both points of view. It was pretty much a meet'n'greet to keep up relationships rather than anything historically memorable. --Dhartung | Talk 03:47, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It was not the most important visit. But it was in the newspapers and on TV. Good idea but wait till there is a more important diplomatic visit and try again. FellowWikipedian talk 3:36 pm 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Picture of the Day Copyedit

I believe "Superb Fairy-wrens occupy wide range of habitat types" is meaning the word "a"; it should be "Superb Fairy-wrens occupy a wide range of habitat types." joturner 02:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


where do you get fairy wrens?spat10

Read Maluridae and you'll find out. The Fairy-wren link on POTD redirects to that page. -- 199.71.174.100 21:06, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In "Gwrenich" Village, no doubt. --Dhartung | Talk 03:48, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar error in DYK

...that the Senyavin Islands of Micronesia was named after Dmitry Senyavin...

Should be were. —Keenan Pepper 03:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


just fixed it. thanks for looking out :-) Alhutch 03:03, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Democracy movement in Nepal at ITN

Unrest still links to Loktantra Andolan meaning it has to redirect, someone ought to change this. --Horses In The Sky 17:49, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If the title of the page is Democracy movement in Nepal instead of Loktantra Andolan, it should merge with Jana Andolan. Both Loktantra Andolan and Jana Andolan are Democracy movements in Nepal. Just a different year. Maybe Loktantra Andolan should've moved to 2006 Democracy movement in Nepal instead. Whichever admin fixing the redirect at ITN may want to consider this, as well as the fact that the offer by the king has been rejected days ago. -- 199.71.174.100 20:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Poor anniversary choice

"# 1982 - The Conch Republic facetiously declared independence from the United States."

This isn't more than a little quirky story for those living in the US. For anyone not in the US, it is quite meangingless. I'm sure there are plenty of other things that happend this day that were more important, to the US and to the world as a whole. Harley peters 21:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Or Baedeker Blitz. But all 4 need to be de-stubbed first. -- 199.71.174.100 22:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maja Vidaković

Can anybody find some data and write the article about Maja Vidakovic, 'cause I really want to know something more about her. I can't really find anything. This would be an opportunity for others, too, to find out something about this famous architect... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Boky (talk • contribs) 22:03, 23 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Please see Wikipedia:Requested articles & Wikipedia:Where to ask a question. -- 199.71.174.100 00:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A quibble

"Normative" does not mean "current," as the first sentence of the featured article today seems to suggest, but rather "adhering to a standard" (often a subconcious standard based on "current" mores, admittedly). Was there something less than "normative" about Turkish literature in its Ottoman form? Aside from this semantic quibble, I found today's lead sentence poor, with its lengthy note between dashes and its repetition of the subject ("this literature is literature that...").

This is a really really pedantic, I know. But I'll admit it: I often only read one sentence of articles and then leave them. I'm sure I'm not the only one. If the lead in general ought be good, the lead sentence to the lead ought to be very good. I've often wondered whether the "normative" Wiki rule of immediately having the article title in bold actually leads us into syntactically awkward phrasing. Couldn't the first sentence just be the one that flows best, rather than the one that makes the title of the article stand out? Marskell 22:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You may be right but would it be better to address this to the article's talk page? Secondly, the rule is that the article's subject should be in bold in the first paragraph, in a natural place. So your comment is valid but the reference to the rule isn't. (I also love how you slipped 'normative' in there. Ten points! --Monotonehell 06:36, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You're right about the word "normative", of course, but wrong about its use in the lead sentence. It doesn't in any way mean "current", but simply—via "such as"—refers to contemporary Turkish as one example thereof. There wasn't something less than "normative" about Ottoman literature, but there was something less than normative about its language, which is the point that was being made (as was discussed further along in the article). As for your finding the sentence poor, well so be it—stylistic differences are what make the world go round. —Saposcat 07:58, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There's a difference, of course, between intent and likely interpretation. It was not intended to mean current—OK. But it could easily be read that way: "...normative varieties, such as that spoken in the Republic of Turkey today." Anyhow, I just tweaked it, and I think it's fine. We can agree at least that one sentence paragraphs are a no-no. Marskell 08:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I made one small tweak for accuracy's sake, but your version was better overall than some of the other changes that have been made to the sentence.
Interpretation is, of course, a sticky issue, as I still think that a careful reading of that sentence wouldn't lead all the way to that particular interpretation (although it would lead very slightly there, which was also part of the intent). But your changes are fair enough to the issue, I think (although I do personally disagree with one-sentence paragraphs being a no-no; it depends on the sentence in question). Thanks for contributing. —Saposcat 08:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
From the MoS: "Conversely, a one-sentence paragraph is like a cannon-shot during the performance: it attracts so much attention that it had better be good." I think one sentence paragraphs should be saved for things like "In the beginning was the Word" off the top, or perhaps "Caesar crossed the Rubicon and boldly laid seige..." right at the end of a section so the reader is gasping with anticipation ;). Marskell 08:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yowza! You got me there. Until I can manage such literary heights, I'll just steer clear of them then. Thanks for mending the errors of my thoughts & ways. ;) —Saposcat 08:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Namespace

I don't think the main page should be in the Article namespace. What if you want to actually look up an article on "Main Page". --GeorgeMoneyTalk  Contribs 00:15, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This question pops up so many times, maybe the answer should be included in the Main Page FAQ. Anyway, Main Page is an article in the article namespace for historical reasons. We can always disambiguate later. And, the article on "Main Page" may be found here. --199.71.174.100 00:33, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... what's really the difference between a main page and a home page? (Home page in the sense of the "home" link at the top of of a menu, not a single person's home page.) Why don't we replace the (very stubbish) home page article with here? zafiroblue05 | Talk 07:36, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Today's FA Fix

There's a sentence in today's featured article that begins with...

After Andrée, Strindberg, and Frænkel lifted off from Svalbard in July 1897...

Unfortunately, whoever summarized the intro of S. A. Andrée's Arctic balloon expedition of 1897 removed the part that mentioned the full names of Strindberg and Frænkel. As a result, someone reading that sentence may be confused as to where those names came from. Therefore I believe it should read:

After Andrée, Nils Strindberg, and Knut Frænkel lifted off from Svalbard in July 1897...

or more preferably...

After Andrée and his two companions, Nils Strindberg and Knut Frænkel, lifted off from Svalbard in July 1897...

Thanks in advance. joturner 02:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone fixed this early this morning. -- 199.71.174.100 12:41, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On this day...

"1916 - Easter Rising: The Irish Republican Brotherhood started a rebellion in Ireland."

This is very misleading and subjective description of the rising. Leaders of the IRB had a substantial part but it was a very complicated story involving the Irish Volunteers, the Irish Citizen Army and various other elements. How about just changing it to 'The Easter 1916 rising took place in Ireland". - User:Dalta

I've tweaked the line a bit. Hope it's better now. -- PFHLai 11:48, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Aye, it's better, but, without meaning to be pedantic, it's not really objective to say the IRB led it. It was technically an Irish Volunteers manouver which got hijacked by IRB leaders and the Citizen Army leader. I prefer my one(obviously), it doesn't say anything except exactly what happened, then people can click the link to get more. - User:Dalta

Inconvenient?

Osama bin Laden has spoken to jihadists of the world once again. Why is the emir not worthy of mention in the news section?

Feel free to type up such an article. This is a wiki. Afterwards, feel free to post a suggested headline at Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates. -- 199.71.174.100 12:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vote for Jimmy Wales

Time Magazine is holding polls and letting us decide who the most influential people this year is. Jimmy Wales is a candidate, we can go there and vote for him... or whoever you think is the most influential. I know the discussion is for talking about the page only, but Jimmy is losing and this is the only way to get enough attention to turn the tide. You can go and vote for him here [1] Pseudoanonymous 19:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I did not even know about this. If I knew this I would probably do the same. Thanks for telling everyone because this is very important to most wikipedians. FellowWikipedian talk 4:10 pm 24 April 2006 (UTC-4)

Is advertising for Jimbo allowed? Jedi6-(need help?) 02:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No advertising for Jimbo is not allowed. This isn't even allowed, but I am hoping that they will make an exception, for this. : ) Pseudoanonymous 03:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Who on earth is Malcolm Gladwell, and why the **** does he have a higher number of votes than Jimbo! Arrgggh!!! JIHAAAAD! -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 05:28, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jumping the Gun on ITN

I have an issue with the addition of...

Three explosions hit Dahab, a tourist town on Egypt's Sinai peninsular.

...in In the News. To begin with it should be Sinai Peninsula instead of Sinai peninsular. But furthermore, Wikipedia is not a news organization and therefore should not jump the gun on adding news items. In normal situations, a news item wouldn't make it to the Main Page unless the article in question included a decent amount of information on the subject. The Dahab article mentions one short sentence on the blasts. Perhaps the item should be removed until more information is added on the blasts (which should, by the way, go in 2006 Dahab bombings). joturner 20:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The information should go on whatever article is updated. Dahab was, I expanded it, I added it. Of course we should cover breaking news stories. Not doing so defeats the point of ITN. As for the spelling mistake: forgive me, I am rather emotionally wrought by this affair. Best, Sam Korn (smoddy) 21:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
ITN should still be changed from Sinai peninsula to Sinai Peninsula. joturner 00:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The current time

Wikipedia has the wrong time. At 8:00 pm 24 April 2006 (UTC) it changed to 12:00 am 25 April 2006 (UTC). The featured article was changed and the featured picture was changed and On this day was also changed. What happend? Can anybody fix this? FellowWikipedian 8:27 pm 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused by this one. Where's the time and did you manually put the date and time in your signature? It should be around 00:30 (12:30am) UTC now. joturner 00:31, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Found the time; I knew I've seen it somewhere. I was just looking for it on the Main Page instead of on this page. joturner 00:32, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am from Canada I know what time it is. I am looking at my clock on the radio it says 8:41 pm! FellowWikipedian 8:41 pm 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I knew that but I did not know that the time changes at 12:00 am.FellowWikipedian 8:50 pm (Where I am) 24 April 2006 (UTC)
I would highly recommend, FellowWikipedian, that you alter your signature to either a) use the standard signature, which gives Coordinated Universal Time or b) change your signature so it says (UTC-4) instead of (UTC). Your signature is confusing as it states, incorrectly, that your local time is UTC. I'd go with option a) for fixing your signature because it eliminates all confusion. joturner 01:08, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ditto. Also, is there a pref setting allowing you to change the time for your account? --M1ss1ontomars2k4 02:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes you can set your personal time offset on the (my preferences)page (date and time)tab --Monotonehell 02:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If you were referring to setting the time in your signature, no that is not possible. FellowWikipedian is just manually typing his/her local time after his/her posts. joturner 02:44, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ellaborate PLZ

Please excuse, but why isn't it mentioned in the main headline that islamic fundamentalists caused these explosions? It wasn't like there was a gas line explosion or something. These were terrorists that killed innocent muslims and Christians. The current headline is way too vague. Thanks, Salva 02:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because there is no proof who did it yet. Jedi6-(need help?) 02:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's not particularly relevant or important for ITN that the terrorists are Islamic fundamentalists. In fact, as that is not even known, you're jumping to conclusions with that. The terrorists may have killed innocent Muslims and Christians, but I hope you and everyone else can realize that the only important thing is that they killed innocent people; the races and religions of the victims are irrelevant. joturner 02:49, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, I suppose that since the identities of the attackers are not "confirmed" yet, it would be unprofessional to "jump to conclusions." And uhh, yeah it is relevant. Because they're the ones that frequently target innocents in acts of terrorism. Why should that not be mentioned? Why hide the fact that islamic fundamentalists are the primary instigators of terrorism? By the way, when did I say anything about race? Just for the record, you're the first one to say anything at all about "race." Thanks again, =) Salva 03:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that they are Christian and Muslim is not relevant; the fact that they were innocent is. 61.24.83.175
I never said you said anything about race. I was just adding that to cover more than one example of irrelevant traits. Of course, the people responsible for the incident should be mentioned in the article. But if, for instance, al Qaeda were responsible, it should say "al Qaeda was responsible...," not "Islamic fundamentalists were responsible..." or "Muslim al Qaeda members were responsible..." joturner 04:19, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Don't be flippant about it being necessary to identify who the instigators were - Fine, I suppose that since the identities of the attackers are not "confirmed" yet, it would be unprofessional to "jump to conclusions." - the Spanish government made the mistake of jumping to a conclusion after the Madrid train bombings and got it wrong. Bazza 10:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to the story?

This was reported nationwide on Saturday about five IU Jacobs School of Music students who died in a plane crash near Bloomington on late Thursday night, all five were musicians.

--65.54.155.14 03:07, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While tragic, this event is also a everyday event. Plane crashes happen, and quite often, and we can't put every or any of them but the most severe on the Main Page. —Cuiviénen, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 @ 03:45 UTC

DYK

The template has not been updated since Monday. Can't we update it more regularly? --Ghirla -трёп- 06:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ITN

ITN also needs to be updated. I have 3 suggestions on the ITN Candidates page. Thanks. -- 199.71.174.100 06:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Admin:Harro5, for putting 2 of my 3 suggestions on the Main Page. Is there any admin who wants to check out my 3rd suggestion there ? It's more interesting than the one about Mary getting sacked. :-) Any help in (further) improving the relevant pages is welcome. -- 199.71.174.100 07:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

dissoultion of parliament

Nepal's Parliament was not dissolved in 2005. It was dissolved in 2002 by the king on the advise of the prime minister. The king would later overthrow that Prime Minister in 2002 and again in 2005.

More Information

I think that you should have some more info about Thales the one who invented geometry and abstract please and if you get some more info i might get it from here. Thank you

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