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Excessive Categories

I would like to point out that Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) does not mean you can list "serbian" names in bold in the intro, and it does not give you leave to put it in the infobox, since serbian or german is not an official language in the Republic of Croatia (the only language that is is Italian in Istria.) I also removed your strange category from the majority of villages you put them on, since they are not listed as being a part of that "Joint Council of Municipalities". Moreover, that whole category looks excessive and unneccessary, so I am telling you now that I will work on getting it removed completely from the other pages. As you can see, pages like Jagodnjak for example have only 2 categories or so. Yes, it is possible for them to have more but they don't, because Wikipedia users have kept it that way to keep extraneous categories (like the one you are putting in) from popping up. If you have any questions or concerns, please leave respond or leave a message for me to prevent possible edit wars. Regards. --Jesuislafete (talk) 20:08, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Joint Council of Municipalities

RE: It is clear that the only official language throughout the entire territory of Croatia is Croatian language. However, the municipalities/settlements about which I wrote the official and by the state are recognized also minority languages (in those parts of Croatia they have status as a noted Italian in Istria, I can send you resources if you are not familiar) and that is in order with Wikipedia conventions, and by your standards also :) (if apply for a counties applies also to all lower levels?-although it is nowhere asked official status?). JCM with jurisdiction in the members municipalities has jurisdiction for the whole area of two counties and that's why I put other articles you mentioned. At the same time I do not think that the category is unnecessary, there are articles that perfectly fit into category and fits the theme of national minorities in Croatia. I absolutely do not want any edit war or something of that type with you. It would be unnecessary and will prevented us to deal with things that interest us. But I just do not believe that differences in attitudes that apparently there have the potential to cause major conflicts. Have a nice day. (I pasted the answer on my discussion to)--MirkoS18 (talk) 22:35, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello!

Hi! Well, i dont think that we have editors who are familliar with Serbian minority institutions and organizations in Croatia... While i can see a bit of the schools outside Serbia... Pozdrav! :) --WhiteWriter speaks 22:44, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hvala, zapravo bi najveća pomoć bila da se neki već napisani članci pročitaju i da se gramatički dotjeraju. Ovde je i Index of Serbs of Croatia-related articles koji bi potencijalnim autorima mogao koristiti ukoliko bi znali za njega. U svakom slučaju hvala na pomoći.--MirkoS18 (talk) 22:57, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

minor edits

Hi there. Please don't mark edits such as this one as minor, because it's not a minor edit according to the guidelines at Help:Minor edit. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 14:59, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

sorry

Thanks for advice, I will read this guidance later and try to follow them.--MirkoS18 (talk) 15:11, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, you made a slew of minor edits such as this one. Please don't do that - other index articles exist but aren't all linked back from their entries, esp. not through minor edits. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 18:44, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Nagorno-Karabakh Republic

I've deleted Template:WikiProject Nagorno-Karabakh Republic because the project already exists at Wikipedia:WikiProject Armenia/Nagorny-Karabakh Task Force. -- WOSlinker (talk) 23:33, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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It seemed to me that there is no because I have not been seen Project in the pages that I searched. I apologize for any inconvenience I caused by that.--MirkoS18 (talk) 23:40, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

renaming articles

You moved Jewish Filmfestival Zagreb to Zagreb Jewish Film Festival by creating a new article and redirecting the old article to it. Please don't do that, instead click the move page button. I fixed the specific case already, you don't have to do anything there, just do it properly in the future. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 09:22, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

B-class

Hi! I just noticed you have reassessed Joint Council of Municipalities article to B-class. According to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Croatia/Assessment the article fails at least B3 criterion (I haven't checked inline citations per AGF). This is easily remedied - expand the lead per WP:LEAD. Also, inline citations in the lead are not necessary as long as that information is in the body text and referenced properly.--Tomobe03 (talk) 16:24, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Cyrillic county names

Moved to WT:CRO. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 15:08, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding infobox changes

Hi Mirko, I noticed you added Cyrillic names to the lede of a large number of Croatian settlement articles, and I'm perfectly fine with that, but you also edited the infoboxes of several articles and added the Cyrillic names in there as well, which I find is too much. If I'm not mistaken, you used the infobox format that was established for bilingual Istrian municipalities. The names of those Istrian municipalities which list their name in two languages have been changed to reflect that (note that a reference to the municipality's official website is included in every one of those infoboxes [1][2]). The Cyrillic script is NOT official in any of the municipalities, nor do said municipalities have two hyphenated names.

In short, while the various language versions in the lede sentence are added whenever they exist, only the most common English name and the official native name (in the official native alphabet) are for the infobox. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 01:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I added them after the discussion we had recently Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Croatia#Role of minority languages in seven municipalities in eastern Croatia where the Cyrillic is official (it really exist (; ). These are municipalities of Joint Council of Municipalities. Again, in those municipalities are in both languages ​​and both the names official. These changes were made ​​quite recently in September. If you believe that they should be removed may do so?--MirkoS18 (talk) 01:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Now I understand what you told me. So I delete the name from the top, and in the lower part I should add statute of municipality. OK, I will do it.--MirkoS18 (talk) 01:43, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, both the upper and the lower part of the infobox should not have any Cyrillic writing if the municipality itself does not use it in its statute in some way (and that, I believe, is not the case). --DIREKTOR (TALK) 01:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
On the Internet you have a document entitled Izvješće o provođenju zakona o pravima nacionalnih manjina i o utrošku sredstava osiguranih u Državnom proračunu Republike Hrvatske za 2008. godinu za potrebe nacionalnih manjina (I do not know why it could not be put here). See pages 12-Jagodnjak, 14-Šodolovci, 15-Borovo, Markušica and 16-Negoslavci, Trpinja. I thought it is also Erdut but it seems it is not true.--MirkoS18 (talk) 02:06, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The current situation (such as in Jagodnjak) is fine with me. Municipalities with a Serbian minority should definitely have their Cyrillic alphabet name mentioned in the lede. However, unless the statute of the municipality officially uses Cyrillic in some way at least - we should not use the Cyrillic name in the infobox. Regards --DIREKTOR (TALK) 02:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Many many thanks Mirko, it is very nice from you :) I already participated in a couple of similar discussions in the past, so my intervention is not so unnexpected. I don´t think at all that you are making unclear statements, as you say, right on the oposite. Just notece that I agree with Direktor over the infobox issue, it should only be used if in official use, otherwise we should use it only in lede section. Honestly, I hoped we could reach some middle point between 10% and 33.3% as solution and move on, however I am not so sure anymore, and perhaps we should see how other similar cases are dealt (I noteced your post at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Geopolitical ethnic and religious conflicts‎ and lets hope more people express their view). FkpCascais (talk) 02:25, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is the addition of Cyrillic alphabet versions in the lede brackets actually being disputed over there?! There are almost no Italians in Dalmatia yet virtually every single town has an Italian name in the lede brackets. Stick with 10%, even that's possibly too high. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 02:28, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ma slažem se ja sa vama, samo što te općine srpski i definiraju kao službeni. Nije da ću gnjaviti i oko toga, ali evo vam link pa pogledajte za Erdut npr, [3], na dnu je dokument, a u njemu pogledajte kraj 5 i početak 6 stranice. Ove ostale se sve navode u dokumentu iz 2008., ali ga ne mogu otvoriti, možda ću naći dobar link pa ga zalijepim. Uglavnom, ako smatrate da bi drugačije rješenje moglo biti bolje ja neću inzistirati na ovome. Pozdrav, i nemojte da zamjerite zbog "našeg" jezika, jer mi je tako puno lakše.
Da, niko ne spori pitanje jezika i ime na Srpskom jeziku mora biti (i jest) spomenuto - ali ovde pricamo o alfabetu. Drugim rijecima ne treba prevoditi :). Gospodo, procitajte clanak Serbo-Croatian language - gotovo svi neutralni lingvisti se slazu: to su samo varijacije jedno te istog jezika. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 02:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
U redu, pristajem :). A sad ću te još jednom uputiti na isti dokument gdje ...piše na području Općine Erdut, pored hrvatskog jezika i latiničnog pisma, u službenoj uporabi srpski jezik i ćirilično pismo. To istina pokazuje i našu suludu želju da napravimo nekakve razlike, ali eto, tako nam zakon kaže. Inače, nazivi na ćirilici nalaze se u još dva od gore spomenutih mjesta pa ih odi ukloni pošto ja nemam duše za to.--MirkoS18 (talk) 02:43, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
He, he, he, direktor i ja se slazemo oko necega, pa mora da ce smak sveta :)))) Lepo kalendar Maja najavljuje 2012. godinu kao zadnju.
Da direktore, oni hoce da ga eliminisu skroz iz lede-a. A to sto je isti jezik nema veze, jer ono sto se stavlja je cirilica jer je u srpskom prvenstveno koriscen prema latinici. Mirko, sto se tice oficijalnog koriscenja, prava i to, samo bi trebalo da se odnosi na koriscenje u infoboxu. A u lede-u se cak i Latinski koristi, koji nije nigde oficijalan sigurno i nema procentazu govornika. Tu mogu da se ukljucuju nazivi iz istorijskih razloga recimo, stari nazivi, kao i nazivi koje koriste manjine. Cekaj Mirko, sta se slazes sa Direktorom? FkpCascais (talk) 02:47, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Vidim ja da se vi svi jako dobro slažete i tako to. Sa Direktorom sam do sada imao malo ali kvalitetnog kontakta, ali ako ovako nastavim sa vama još će ovo postati vrlo ugodno neformalno čavrljanje. Ma da dajte pogledajte još jednom šta vam rekoh, u statutima tih 7 općina se spominje i srpski i ćirilica kao službeni/oficijelni pa to možda i ide u info? Ili trebam ipak odustati kad kažem da sam odustao :D . Možda ovi na onoj stranici o sukobima ipak odluče da je najbolje rješenje srpskohrvatski pa smo svi zadovoljni :).--MirkoS18 (talk) 02:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Moram obojicu da vas razocaram, ali nema srpsko-hrvatski... Hteli, ne hteli ovde su ga svi podelili, i cak i bosanski i crnogoski. Ja sam dugo diskutovao u proslosti kako je sve to isti jezik, ali mi nije bilo prihvaceno. Cak sam dao argument da ako recimo jedan isti jezik govore recimo srbin i crnogorac, srbin ga naziva srpskim a crnogorac crnogorskim... Ili recimo, kad pravis prevod, sta uradis copy/paste jel, i to je to, kao, sad je na drugom jeziku? Mislim, znam da preterujem (imamo mozda jednu razlicitu rec po strani, mozda...), ali postoje bukvalno drugi jezici ciji su razliciti dijalekti vise razliciti nego recimo hrvatski i bosanski, ili bilo koji od ovih "nasih"...
U ovom problemu o kojem diskutujemo, srpski treba da ima pravo u odredjenim clancima da bude ukljuceno, i ono sto je ukljuceno je cirilica jer ima prioritet u srpskom jeziku nad latinicom, ali posto je srpski dvoazbucni, onda se stavlja template [] Error: {{Lang-xx}}: no text (help) a ne [] Error: {{Lang-xx}}: no text (help) jer bi ovaj drugi trebao obe verzije da ukljuci (i cirilicu i latinicu), i koristi se samo kada je verzija na latinici drugacija od naslova... Mozda nisam ovo dobro objasnio ali je ovo praksa generalno na vikipediji za srpski jezik.
Ako je srpski u zvanicnoj upotrebi pored hrvatskog u odredjenim mestima, onda bi trebalo i u infobox da se ukljuci. U sustini raspravljamo dve stvari, infobox, gde bi samo trebalo da se ukljuci u mestima u kojima ima priznat status, i lede, gde bi trebao da bude ukljucen u mestima sa prisutnom manjinom (10% je bilo sasvim OK). Sad shvatam da sam se mozda malo zaleteo u diskusiji tamo sto sam spominjao samo lede upotrebu... Spomenucu tamo ovo za infobox da bude jasnije. FkpCascais (talk) 03:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ma da, jezik su raznorazne drzavne institucije i politicari zaista proglasili drugim jezicima, to je istina, cak bih rekao uz slaganje pucanstva - ali to je sve uglavnom nevazno. Nikoga vani nije nimalo briga sta kazu Balkanski politicari, Balkanski narod, cak ni Balkanski lingvisti, to jest, jedini stav koji je bitan je onaj vecine linvista, to jest vecine znanstvenika u tom polju (tzv. "consensus in the scientific community"). A oni su poprilicno jednoglasni: Srpski, Hrvatski, Bosanski i Crnogorski su cetiri sluzbena standarda bazirana na stokavskom dialektu jednog jezika, koji se najcesce zove Srpskohrvatski. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 19:51, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A zašto u tom slučaju to ne koristimo bar na wikipediji. Ja bih vrlo rado pristao na taj prijdelog. Ipak, ako se takav prijedlog iz nekog razloga ne može/ne mogne usvojiti tada se planiram strogo držati toga da su to različiti jezici i kao takve ih i koristiti. Može li se taj prijedlog predložiti nekome ko nema veze sa našim lokalnim projektima na wikipediji jer će tu to biti razapeto i izbodeno glogovim kolcima?--MirkoS18 (talk) 21:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ti si idealista, vidim :). To bi bilo vrlo tesko: cijeli Balkan se medusobno mrzi i podrzava odvojene jezike. Mozda malo manje u Srbiji jer vas ima toliko mnogo vise od ostalih da su se ostala tri jezika de facto proglasila da bi se diferencirali od Srpskog. Clanak Serbo-Croatian language je imao veliku srecu zato sto su se za njega interesirali mnogi neutralni useri koji rade na jezicnim clancima. Bio bi potreban ogroman angazman sa njihove strane, te participacija drugih neutralnih korisnika, da se takav jedan konsenzus donese (na recimo Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Languages), ali mozes ocekivati da ce se gotovo svaki korisnik sa Balkana protiviti tome (opet, pogotvo ne-Srbi). --DIREKTOR (TALK) 21:18, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sto se crnogorskog tice stvar nije toliko cista (ne mislim na "etnicki cista" direktore :) Crnogorski je proglasen kao jezik od strane crnogorske vlade (Djukanovic, naravno), ali jos uvek nije priznat na medjunarodnom nivou, i prema ISO kodu jos uvek se smatra kao dijalekt srpskog jezika. Naravno, odredjene crnogorske editore to ne interesuje, i masovno sire template (Montenegrin: x) na raznim clancima, a srpske editore mrzi da se time bakcu. Na crnogorskim fudbalskim clancima postoji sporazum da se koristi samo (Cyrillic:x) umesto (Montenegrin: x) ili (Serbian Cyrillic: x) kao privremeno resenje, iako je u sustini to srpska cirilica, mada postoji neki plan da se promene par slova cisto da bi kao bila drugacija azbuka i drugi jezik... FkpCascais (talk) 00:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Konačno sam pronašao dokument koji sam vam spominjao koji se može otvoriti. Pogledajte ga od 27. do 30. stranice gdje se spominju statuti onih 7 općina o kojim sam vam govorio Erdut,Jagodnjak,Markušica,Šodolovci,Borovo,Trpinja,Negoslavci. Evo ga [4]--MirkoS18 (talk) 01:16, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tu je sve lepo objasnjeno. U tim opcinama srpski jezik, ukljucujuci i cirilicu i latinicu, (objasnjeno na 28. strani o Sibensko-Kninskoj zupaniji) ima ravnopravno pravo sa hrvatskim. U tim mestima naziv na cirilici ima pravo da se upise u infobox, kao i naravno u prvoj recenici u lede-u. Kazi mi samo, je si sve opcine procitao i proverio? FkpCascais (talk) 03:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mirko, molim da ne siris okolo lazne izjave u vezi sa mojim stavovima [5]. Ja sam bio vrlo jasan od samog pocetka da se protivim nasilnom uguravanju cirilicnog oblika srpskog i hrvatskog imena spornih naselja u infoboxove, te je moj trenutni stav ne moze da bude doslijedniji nego sta jest. Imena tih naselja na srpskom jeziku su tu vec prisutna. Nacin na koji su talijanska imena prikazana u nekim naseljima nema veze sa ovim pitanjem jer ta naselja sluzbeno koriste dva oblika svog imena povezana crticom, sto nije slucaj u spornim naseljima sa odredenim postotkom srpske nacionalne manjine.
Molim te da shvatis da se promjene prikaza u infoboxima iskljucivo dogovaraju konsenzusom. Izvori sami po sebi ni u kojem slucaju ne prisiljavaju nikoga da nuzno pristane na tvoj format (kao sta gore insinuira Fkp). Ukoliko se zainteresirani korisnici (ili barem velika vecina) sloze sa tvojim prijedlogom, sve je u redu, medutim mora to biti jasno da ne mozes na silu progurati svoje predlozene promjene time da zapocnes WP:EDIT WAR na pola tuceta clanaka.
Time sto se protivim cirilicnoj transliteraciji u infoboxu, koju iskreno smatram pretjeranom, ja ne podrzavam IvanaOS ni bilo koga drugoga, nego se samo drzim svog inicijalnog stava. Sa druge strane, ja imam dojam da se zahtjevi sa vase strane kontinuirano povecavaju: prvo je pocetni tekst bio dosta, sada treba da budu dva alfabeta u infoboxu. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 14:02, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ja ne širim nikakve lažne izjave, tvoji stavovi u raspravi nisu dovoljno jasni svim korisnicima. Jedini korisnik sa kojim trenutno imam problem je IvanOS koji je kao što možeš vidjeti obrisao sve ćirilične nazive zato što su oni valjda beskorisni ili takvo nešto. Inače isti je sve i započeo, pa na krivu adresu šalješ prijetnje. Svi ostali korisnici se slažu oko upotrebe ćiriličnih naziva i u infoboxu i u leadu svagdje gdje je jezik službeni. Jedino oko čega se ne slažemo jeste trebamo li korstiti i kako te nazive tamo gdje srpski jezik i ćirilično pismo (koje je izričito navedeno u statutima) treba biti korišteno u leadu u naseljima gdje srpski nije u službenoj upotrebi. Inače svi dokumenti se izdaju i na ćiriličnoj verziji u tim općinama.
Inače, ovo što ja radim nije nikakva novost već je to već prije dogovoreno kada smo prije par mjeseci razgovarali o tome. Dakle velika većina korisnika (osim tebe i IvanaOS-a) se slaže sa tim formatom.
Inače, nikakvi se zahtjevi ne povećavaju već se oni upravo suprotno tome umanjuju. Prvo je moj prijedlog bio da upišemo ime u lead svim naseljima sa značajnim postotkom manjine. Zatim se taj postotak povećao na bar 33.3%, zatim na bar 50%, a ja sam na kraju čak pristao da se koristi samo kod naselja gdje je jezik služben. Inače svagdje gdje je jezik služben (ne samo u istri) u infobox se već upisivao i manjinski naziv pa u tome nema ničega užasnoga i pretjeranoga. Taj se format znači već i prije (pa čak i sa tom ćirilicom) koristio i ja sam napravio maksimalan kompromis. Pogledaj malo o čemu pričamo (ne kritikujem te ali mi se čini da nisi baš dovoljno uključen i upućen).
Što se tiče prijetnji da ću biti kažnjen zato što uklanjam vandalske i cenzorske postuke spomenutog korisnika ja sam spreman snositi posljedice.
Сретан Божић (са малим закашњењем) и Нова Година. :D--MirkoS18 (talk) 17:58, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not religious, but thank you :). --DIREKTOR (TALK) 01:35, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mirko, bio sam zauzet ovih dana pa me zato nije bilo. Daj mi malo vremena da vidim sta se desilo. Nema veze ako par dana prodje sa direktorovom voljom, jer je bitno kako ce na kraju izgledati. Pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 04:04, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Regarding this issue, please note that you are engaged in a slow-moving edit war across many articles; if you don't stop undoing other people's edits and accept whatever consensus emerges from the discussion you started, you'll end up blocked. Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:13, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, I have a lot of other things I can do. Greetings.--MirkoS18 (talk) 22:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

3RR

Break the rule 3RR ( [6] [7] [8]) List of active separatist movements in Europe --Sokac121 (talk) 20:46, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I will be more careful, thank you for information. I got a warning because of that (it is good that I had not made ​​more than three times).--MirkoS18 (talk) 20:54, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of The position and status of Serbs in Croatia (Open letter)

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Debate on use of place names in minority languages

hi MirkoS18 thanks for your request re the debate on Serbian place names in Croatia. It is clearly a hotly debated topic. I find it quite hard to intervene, because my instinct as a minority rights activist (I work here Minority Rights Group International) is to support using the minority place names. (and by the way I am sitting here in East London, just 100 yards from here all the street names are signposted in English and Bengali...) But there is clearly also an issue of wikipedia etiquette and policies, which I am not an expert on at all.

It seems to me to be much less controversial to include the Cyrillic name in the individual articles for each locality. So I am surprised not to see it, for example, in the article on Ervenik, the muncipality with the 2nd hightest proportion of Serbs.

I think by the way, if a threshold is used to determine, in national minority policies, when a minority has reached a "significant" proportion of the population, as per Council of Europe minority rights conventions, it is often 20%. But why 20% - clearly it is arbitrary to a certain extent.

Spinach charm (talk) 11:16, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Serbia

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WhiteWriter speaks 20:18, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Always. Нема проблема, ту сам да помогнем ако треба! :) --WhiteWriter speaks 20:43, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! :)

Hi Mirko! Responded to your WWHM comments: Wikipedia_talk:WikiWomen's_History_Month#Seeking_to_help. SO happy to have you on board! :) My brother is from Belgrade! Sadly, he doesn't edit Wikipedia, but, he's my bestfriend and I'm always happy when I can pal up with his fellow Serbs! SarahStierch (talk) 02:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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New one

Maybe we should create List of World War II monuments and memorials in Croatia, as we have enough material from main article? What do you say? --WhiteWriterspeaks 23:22, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am absolutely in favor of that idea. You will begin to write that article or you will let it to us at WikiProject Croatia?--MirkoS18 (talk) 00:41, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Pitanje

I've answered the question about the template at User talk:Sokac121#Re: Joint Council of Municipalities, there's a standard discussion procedure for these kinds of things.

(The rest of the answer isn't in English because it relates to doing something off-wiki in .hr.)

Iako sam ja formalno član udruge Wikimedia Hrvatska, i to koji je svojedobno prvi uplatio 50 kuna u proračun novoosnovane udruge :) nisam nešto aktivan lokalno, a ostali se uglavnom bave hrvatskom verzijom Wikipedije, pa mislim da bi mogao takvo pitanje postaviti na hr:Wikipedija:Kafić. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Eastern Europe, Cities, Geography on JCM

WikiProject Croatia already basically covers all of these topics - it's a child project to Eastern Europe, which in turn is a child project of Geography; Cities is a child of Countries, and .hr is a child project of Countries.

It seems like what you really want is something like a task force for ethnic Serbs, and that could be child to one of the appropriate projects - Croatia, Serbia, maybe former Yugoslavia, maybe Europe if you can envisage more content. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:35, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't really matter how many editors contribute to a project or a task force, as long as they do a quality job. I don't think anyone in their right mind could object to a ethnic Serbs task force of WP Croatia - I would certainly do my best to censure any opposition based on chauvinist reasons.
If your primary interest is the scope of WP Croatia, that's a perfectly suitable location for this activity. The reason I mentioned other WPs is that such a task force could easily be generalized to cover ethnic Serbs elsewhere, so we need not constrain it within the scope of WP Croatia. But such a constraint is not out of the question, particularly in the beginning.
Extending {{WikiProject Croatia}} with a parameter for the Serbs task force would be just as easy as doing it at any other similar template.
--Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:03, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Marija Bursac

Marko na fotografiji koju si nazvao MARIJA BURSAC, se ne nalaz Marija, vec partizanka MILJA MARIN, to je sa cuvene ratne fotografije Zorza Skrgina. Pa bih te molio da ovu fotografiju izbrises ili da je preimenujes. Svakako ukloni ga iz clanka. Kako zaista izgleda Marija Bursac, mozes videti u clanku na srpskoj vikipediji. --77.243.20.36 (talk) 07:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Google me je prevario. Srediću to. Lijep pozdrav.--MirkoS18 (talk) 08:36, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Učinjeno--MirkoS18 (talk) 13:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]


minority organisations in Croatia

hi MirkoS18

sorry to be so slow getting back to you. I have passed on your suggestions to our publications team. I don't think it will be a problem. Do monitor the page and if there is no change, I will try to find out why.

BTW I couldn't find the page you recommended, Template: Serbian minority institutions and organizations in Croatia.

cheers Chris Spinach charm (talk) 09:56, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

hi

hi Mirko ok now i worked it out, I was trying to get to the template from the "revision" entry which is a dead link.

So now I found it. Still not used to some of the quirks of wikipedia.

It seems there are a lot of different types of organisations working on Serbian issues. But our entry in the directory "advocacy organisations" is really specifically for NGOs, and mainly human rights NGOs. Schools, radio stations and church bodies are not really what we're aiming to include. So might I encourage you to pick out those bodies which really fit this bill and send me a list?

You know, looking back at some of that discussion on including Serbian spellings in wiki entries, you always remained calm and diplomatic, but some of the tone of the other users just seems quite nasty. It's all very well to cite wikipedia conventions and traditions, but it could easily become just a cover for imposing prejudices on other people. Spinach charm (talk) 10:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mirko, you are invited!

The UB template looks so much better now! I hope our WikiProject will succeed! --Comparativist1 (talk) 10:34, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

Civility Award
I, FkpCascais, award you with this barnstar for being an exemple of politeness and civility for all Wikipeians. FkpCascais (talk) 22:10, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Despite not having crossed myself much with you lately, I do feel appropriate to present you with this award because whenever I crossed myself with any participation of yours in an any area of Wikipedia it allways passed trough my mind the wish that one day all Wikipedians will have a civil and correct approach as you do. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 22:10, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, this is my first barnstar. Thank you very much, I am really happy and proud about this :). You know, it is a nice feeling when someone praise you for good thing. I hope that with raise of my conscience in editing and removal of irresponsibility as a result of anonymity, I will realy deserve this award.--MirkoS18 (talk) 22:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, don´t be so modest, you already deserve this one, all you can do now is to keep on having the same positive attitude, and perhaps win some more in the future. ;) Hope everything is fine and that you´re having a pleasent summer. FkpCascais (talk) 23:08, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

RE:JCM

Hello! No problem there really, at least merges and splits are easy once the content is there. And in terms of content JCM is more or less already there, it is chiefly a matter of organization and scope. I'm thinking of writing a brief peer review in the article's talk page. I'm a bit busy lately so I can't guarantee a time frame, but let's say in one week or so if you agree. GregorB (talk) 22:26, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ha ha, that's the trouble with awards: after one gives the standard acceptance speech ("This award will motivate me to work even harder, blah blah"), he is actually expected to behave that way... :-) GregorB (talk) 23:14, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
But that is not a bad thing just per se. The awards highlight one´s good actions, and when motivating one to continue doing so, or do even better, it means that it purpose is right.
Btw, Gregor is one of the finest Wikipedians I ever met. Since the first time we met some years ago, I noteced the enormous ammount of incredible work he does around here, improving all sorts of articles in many ways, categorising, tagging, creating and completing talk pages, helping and expanding stubs and newly created articles, well, basically all sorts of things, from the most important ones, to the most tedious minor things which are equally important for the overall organisation of different projects. He doesn´t know it, but he was kind of my mentor back then. So, a Wikipedian like myself gets thrully happy when two excellent Wikipedians, like the two of you are, get along well and work together in order to improve things around here. All this may sound a bit cliché on my behalve, but it is trouth. After all, Wikipedia is a dinamic project in which beside the content and quality of the articles, one becomes aware about the importance of the good and healthy colaboration among its contributors. :) More then the barnstars by themselfs, it is the awareness of this on behalve of other Wikipedians that it is important, and the barnstars end up simply being a more visible display of that recognition. Wishing a nice summer to both of you, I send you best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 01:11, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for warning. I'm not really familiar with many of Wikipedia policies so I make such mistakes sometimes. I improved article so I thought it was ok to delete tag. But it is truth, it may appear biased.--MirkoS18 (talk) 01:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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"Food and drink" section

If you don't mind, I will delete the "Food and drink" section from Šodolovci and other settlement articles. This is because:

  • The same content is copy-pasted to multiple articles.
  • It is unsourced and probably unsourcable.
  • It does not belong into each and every settlement article, as customs related to food and drink to not really vary from village to village, and when they do, there are reliable sources that say so. GregorB (talk) 12:13, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gvozd

Looks reasonably safe to me, because: 1) the change is reliably sourced, and 2) the controversy is about whether to change the town's name or not, not whether it has actually been changed officially or not (it has). The article should certainly note the name change and the controversy behind it, but I'd recommend against too much detail, so as to avoid WP:UNDUE issues, as well as attracting POV edits. GregorB (talk) 08:57, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Немам проблем са тим

али...Општинско веће је одговорно и надлежно за промену имена насеља на својој територији у складу наравно са вољом већине грађана и то се и догодило - насељено место (насеље, градић) силом названо Гвозд 1996. године нико не зна из ког разлога јер само име не вуче никакву етничку конотацију, од 23. овог месеца добија своје вишевековно име Вргинмост. Е сад. зашто сам ја "дописао" Вргинмост у листу насеља, а као име чланка оставио Гвозд је тај, што се још увек није остварила процедура којом се мења ИМЕ ОПШТИНЕ, а право на то има само Сабор Хрватске, дакле да мења имена општинама и градовима. Зато сам сматрао да нек остане регуларно док се и то не догоди, а надам се да ће што пре, првенствено због тога што је између осталих и мени захваљујући чланак оо овм месту и општини на српској Википедији годинама до данашњег дана носио име Вргинмост, иако је притисака апсолутно било пуно пута. Хвала Богу, правда побеђује па тако и случај да сами грађани одлуче како ће место да им се зове. Уосталом кад је вишевековни Драганић Гудовачки, затим Драганић, мога референдумом без икаквог повода да добије име Горње Ровишће, не знам шта је већ годинама био проблем са Вргом и његовим Мостом :)) Поздрав.--Boris Godunov (talk) 17:18, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Будите без бриге...Budite bez brige

Oprostite ako vam je bio problem da pročitate, jer ja u suštini koristim ćirilicu, ali naravno u skladu sa mestima na kojima se nalazim koristim latinicu, ne zamerite. Što se mene tiče, najbolje je ne dirati ništa. To će svakako biti brza odluka koja dolazi na "dnevni red" obično u paketu i svakako da nema razloga za probleme. Samim tim ime Gvozd preimenovano u Vrginmost je sasvim dovoljno. Ako primetite da sam negde dodavao kao odvojeno naselje o kome bi se sad pisalo naširoko nekih novih tekstova iako je reč o malom mestu, slobodno brišite! Veliki pozdrav za vas i hvala na kulturnom obraćanju:)), retko se sreće.--Boris Godunov (talk) 18:54, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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