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Red Cord Record deletion

I was trying to find Red Cord Records on Wikipedia and with further research I found that it was deleted back in September of last year.I read why it was deleted and they are a 100% creditably record label. Here are some sources and social media (the article for deletion said they researched them and couldn't find them) for further acknowledgement. 

http://www.redcordrecords.com/

https://twitter.com/redcordrecords https://www.facebook.com/redcordrecords http://www.youtube.com/redcordrecords https://myspace.com/redcordrecords http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=191287 http://www.victoryrecords.com/news/article/1258 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/tag/red-cord-records/ http://www.underthegunreview.net/2012/03/31/inhale-exhale-sign-to-red-cord-records/

Sorry, but I don't think these links count as significant coverage in reliable sources per our definition, WP:IRS & WP:GNG. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:13, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What would you classify as a reliable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.137.34 (talk) 16:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, established magazines, newspapers, and books fit the criteria. With small magazines it's hard to decide sometimes. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:21, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I do have physical magazines that Red Cord or a band they have signed have been featured in. How would you like me to send you the articles? Inhale Exhale is a band signed by Red Cord Records and they have a Wiki page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhale_Exhale 

Incogue and Blood and Ink records are both labels close to the size of Red Cord. They both have articles on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InVogue_Records 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Ink_Records

Review of The Order of the Eagle of Georgia and the Seamless Tunic of Our Lord Jesus Christ

I understand that you removed the Order of the Eagle of Georgia and the Seamless Tunic of Our Lord Jesus Christ believing it not to be a legitimate dynastic order. If you did a little research, other than the internet that you quote, you would find it to be a very legal and legitimate dynastic order. I recommend you look into this new thing known as a book; I strongly recommend Burke's Peerage and Gentry, the world leader in such maters. Your feeling that the current Royal House of Georgia is not legitimate is not for you to decide; maybe learn Georgian and read the news from that country, your statements are sophomoric. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.28.13.180 (talk) 04:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above comment is not only unsigned, and needlessly sarcastic, but also inappropriate. WP:AGF. WP:CIVIL. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 11:33, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I will admit, my Georgian is a bit rusty. (It's been some time since I visited Atlanta.) Seriously though, could you provide a link to the page in question? Or one to the source you refer to? Mark Arsten (talk) 14:54, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.exacteditions.com/browse/572/902/5803/3/1915/0/order%20of%20the%20eagle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.28.13.180 (talk) 09:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, we generally require multiple sources for an article though, see WP:GNG. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:12, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]


The Ascension Deletion

Just noticed you deleted The Ascension (professional wrestling), it was many months ago but I was woundering if there is any way to get the information I wrote back, this is because the article has come back into relevence, or may be soon, and I don't want rewrite the whole thing

Thanks,Statoke (talk) 12:57, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've moved a copy of the deleted article to User:GamingWithStatoke/The Ascension (professional wrestling) for your reference. Let me know if you have any questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:44, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Admin

Hi. Are you admin this Wikipedia? --AlfinIzraqsaatini (talk) 10:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think so.... last time I checked, I was. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:47, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Restore Deleted Valley Bulldog Article?

I am new to this but it appears http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_Bulldog was deleted for a lack of references as seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Valley_Bulldog. I can provide more sources/references and would like to see the article restored as well as linked to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldog_breeds if possible.

Links:

1. Book - The Great Book of Bulldogs

2. Book - Valley Bulldog

3. Site - IOEBA Breed Standard

4. Site - IOBEA Breed History

5. Site - Bulldog Breeds

6. Probably not a good source - Yahoo Link

Thank you for your time.

Dan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhelfond (talk • contribs) 00:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've moved to the deleted article to your userspace: User:Dhelfond/Valley Bulldog (as a WP:USERSPACEDRAFT). Please add citations and evidence of notability to the draft. When you are finished you can apply to have the deletion overturned and the draft reinstated via WP:DRV. Let me know if you have any questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:50, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Saurabh Choudhary

hi mark, just wanted to inform that you had deleted a page by the name "Saurabh Choudhary". he is screenplay writer of hindifeature film film "jeena hai toh thok daal". also he is dialogue writer of upcoming hindi feature film "dussehra". all the details regarding his work is there on google and other sites by his films name. would like his page to be restored. regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saurabh0711 (talk • contribs) 12:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have you reviewed our notability guidelines? (WP:N) Are you certain that he has received significant coverage? Mark Arsten (talk) 14:58, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hiram Wesley Evans

How would you feel if I nominate this for a non-specific date at TFAR? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:50, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That would be fine with me, go ahead. Hope you're doing well, Mark Arsten (talk) 23:53, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

History of Gibraltar

Hi Mark, you'll recall that you reviewed History of Gibraltar for GA a few months ago. I've nominated it at TFAR for July 13, the tercentenary of Gibraltar becoming a British territory. If you have any thoughts on this you're very welcome to comment at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests#July 13. Prioryman (talk) 20:30, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Iambic pentameter

Oh wow, that is pretty good. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:59, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Good question! Mark Arsten (talk) 18:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Good Articles Recruitment Centre

Hello! Now, some of you might have already received a similar message a little while ago regarding the Recruitment Centre, so if you have, there is no need to read the rest of this. This message is directed to users who have reviewed over 15 Good article nominations and are not part of WikiProject Good articles (the first message I sent out went to only WikiProject members).

So for those who haven't heard about the Recruitment Centre yet, you may be wondering why there is a Good article icon with a bunch of stars around it (to the right). The answer? WikiProject Good articles will be launching a Recruitment Centre very soon! The centre will allow all users to be taught how to review Good article nominations by experts just like you! However, in order for the Recruitment Centre to open in the first place, we need some volunteers:

  • Recruiters: The main task of a recruiter is to teach users that have never reviewed a Good article nomination how to review one. To become a recruiter, all you have to do is meet this criteria. If we don't get at least 5-10 recruiters to start off with (at the time this message was sent out, 2 recruiters have volunteered), the Recruitment Centre will not open. If interested, make sure you meet the criteria, read the process and add your name to the list of recruiters. (One of the great things about being a recruiter is that there is no set requirement of what must be taught and when. Instead, all the content found in the process section is a guideline of the main points that should be addressed during a recruitment session...you can also take an entire different approach if you wish!) If you think you will not have the time to recruit any users at this time but are still interested in becoming a recruiter, you can still add your name to the list of recruiters but just fill in the "Status" parameter with "Not Available".
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Speedy deletion nomination of Solfeggio frequencies

Hello Mark Arsten,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Solfeggio frequencies for deletion, because it seems to be an article that was previously deleted by a consensus decision.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Howicus (talk) 17:01, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Main Page appearance: Hiram Wesley Evans

This is a note to let the main editors of Hiram Wesley Evans know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on June 24, 2013. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask featured article director Raul654 (talk · contribs) or one of his delegates (Dabomb87 (talk · contribs), Gimmetoo (talk · contribs), and Bencherlite (talk · contribs)), or start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 24, 2013. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Hiram Wesley Evans

Hiram Wesley Evans (1881–1966) was Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, an American white supremacist group, from 1922 to 1939. Evans, a dentist, joined the Klan's Dallas chapter in 1920. He quickly rose through the ranks and, after ousting William J. Simmons as Imperial Wizard, sought to transform the group into a political juggernaut. Although Evans had kidnapped and tortured a black man while leader of the Dallas Klan, as Imperial Wizard he publicly discouraged vigilante actions. He also led major gatherings and marches, endorsed several successful candidates in 1924 elections, and promoted the Klan as a nativist, Protestant group. Despite this, the Klan was buffeted by damaging publicity in the early 1920s, and the Great Depression of the 1930s severely damaged the Klan's finances and Evans' own income. In 1939 Evans, having lost favor within the Klan for disavowing anti-Catholicism, was succeeded by James A. Colescott; the following year he was fined $15,000 for price fixing. Historians credit Evans with refocusing the Klan on political activities and recruiting outside the Southern United States but note that the political influence and membership gained were transitory. (Full article...)

UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Free Press (magazine)

Hello. I would like to ask you to reconsider the closure of the discussion linked above. The keep arguments are not policy based and the notability of the subject has not been established. I intend to take this to WP:DRV, however as a courtesy, I am running this by you first. Thanks. — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 18:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I guess I agree that the strength of the votes was somewhat weak. Could I suggest opening a Merge discussion? It looks like Free Press (magazine) would make a great candidate for merging to Vinod Jose. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:57, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, that sounds like a good idea. Would you please initiate the discussion? — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 13:29, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, done. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:37, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've referred to this conversation in the proposal to merge that you placed on Vinod Jose's page. Are you also the admin who reopened the AfD after it was closed? Crtew (talk) 22:14, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, I only closed it once. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:25, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Surely, you saw its muddled history? Crtew (talk) 01:14, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Broadleaf Commerce

Hello. I would like to ask you to reconsider the deletion of the Broadleaf Commerce wikipedia page. At the time, it was deleted due to a lack of reliable sources about the platform. Looking at similar open source projects, the following may better support reinstating this page.

FLOSS article / video on Broadleaf Commerce The source code for Broadleaf Commerce Broadleaf Commerce community forums Spring Source article "TOOLING FOR THE JAVASCRIPT ERA, AN INTRO TO BROADLEAF COMMERCE" Introduction to Broadleaf Commerce video - Spring YouTube Channel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpolster (talk • contribs) 23:01, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I don't think those sources count as reliable per our definition, WP:IRS. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:40, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I chose those sources by looking at the following : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_Commerce. 67.198.62.242 (talk) 04:53, 17 June 2013 (UTC)BPolster[reply]

I'm a little confused

Why did you delete that revision from my talk page? I'm just curious.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:15, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think he did, I think he just rev del'd an IP edit. PumpkinSky talk 15:22, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Jimbo, I didn't think I'd be seeing a message from you on my talk page today! What happened was a user accidentally edited while logged out, exposing his IP in the page history and signature. So I revdeleted the IP in the page history. Then I realized that the signature was still visible on the page so I removed it and revdeleted the whole edit. So I actually kind of made a mistake and did the revdelete twice. I guess my edit summary wasn't very clear, sorry! Mark Arsten (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
When Jimbo posts on one's talk page, the llama is rarely far behind! Of course, the llama does not say "I'm a little confused", but, instead, "I'm a little llama". --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:56, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your assistance please

You recently closed: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of cancer victim hoaxes

I have several questions about this closure:

1
One of the participants in the {{afd}} was making an unusually large number of excisions to the article, during the {{afd}}. Excisions that effectively prevented attempts to address concerns raised during the {{afd}}. Traditionally, those who favored "keep" are given a free hand to try to address problems with the article.
2
Half the entries in the list were not individuals, half the entries in the list described hoaxes built around fictional characters.
3
It is my understanding that part of the role of the closing administrator is to look at the arguments offered, and to discount those that are based on misunderstandings of policy.
Several of those who voiced delete opinions here have pointed out -- correctly -- that many of the individuals in this list are not sufficiently notable, in and of themselves, for standalone articles. The misinterpretation of policy is that they have asserted that individuals who are not sufficiently notable for a standalone article cannot have the notable elements of their story incorporated into a more broadly focused article.
This is simply not supported by policy, and by my understanding of the administrator's role a closing administrator has the discretion to discount policy misinterpretations.
Another misinterpretation of policy advanced by those who voiced "delete" was that BLP required a complete moratorium on any coverage of individuals who may have mental health issues.
  1. Policy doesn't say this. It merely says we need to be careful that our coverage of individuals is written from a neutral point of view, verifiable, and relevant.
  2. It is based on the assumption that a moratorium on discussing mental health issues, or individuals who may have mental health issues is actually in the best interests of individuals with mental health issues.
Moratoriums on other issues, like alcoholism, and child abuse, has not worked out well for sufferers.
I drafted an essay in an attempt to address this issue User:Geo Swan/opinions/You can't say that here!

Will you reconsider this closure? Geo Swan (talk) 19:35, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding (1), Geo Swan was always able to edit the article, and indeed continued to do so.
Regarding (2), the fact that the list was a synthesis of two different topics is the fault of those responsible for creating it in the first place - it cannot be a justification for keeping it.
As for the rest, I get the strong impression that Geo Swan is attempting to Wikilawyer around what looked a clear consensus that the article raised substantial WP:BLP concerns. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:49, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Geo Swan and Andy, thanks for stopping by. I do not plan to reconsider my close in this case. I find the subject of this article very interesting and have read several articles about it in the past, but my close is based on what I find the consensus to be among the participants in the discussion. In this case, most participants felt that listing very negative information about otherwise low-profile individuals was an insurmountable BLP issue. There were also significant concerns about whether this article adhered to our best practices for the notability of stand-alone lists (WP:LISTN). I think these are valid arguments, inasmuch as there is a difference between notoriety and notability. So I think my close reflected consensus, but you are free to open a DRV if you disagree. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:23, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting help requested

Could you put some boxes or some other type of visual element around stuff pasted on ANI by Johnvr4? They've made a complete mess of that thread by copying bits of conversation from various other pages. 86.121.18.17 (talk) 17:29, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Various other pages are getting Archived and Deleted. Permission to fix the formatting is granted to you, I do not mind one bit. I would like All to understand the arguments here and who supports them.Johnvr4 (talk) 17:32, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Generally, pasting text like that irritates people. I've added a collapse box so it's clearer now. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the hatting. 86.121.18.17 (talk) 21:06, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Archived?

I see the thread went into the archives for lack of activity. (Maybe it had too much competition from the Jimbo-related dramas.) Does it mean the proposal failed? Obviously the participation/consensus was not great. After that ANI was started (or better said, concurrently) myself and another editor tried to explain things further to Johnvr4 at on his talk page, in the hope for him to realize that one cannot "read between the lines" of the sources to the massive extent that Johnvr4 has done. Unfortunately it doesn't seem that he will ever be convinced. On the other hand, he clearly has put a lot of time and effort finding material for that article/topic (which is still preserved in his userspace). It seems that best solution is for him to be topic banned from editing in article space, mostly due to John's edit warring there, which led to protection during the AfD. I considered perhaps just put him under a revert restriction, but given that he has been pursuing this for over a year, that probably won't work. Perhaps a good compromise is to have him edit only his user space on these topics (US chemical warfare and/or the CIA). He should be allowed to post notices on article talk pages, e.g. "hey, I found this awesome source", but clearly he is reading stuff into sources that most other editors don't see and sometimes he is promoting sources that fail the Wikipedia reliability standards. 86.121.18.17 (talk) 21:06, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In hindsight, it looks like I've made a procedural error. I should have posted to AP:AN not ANI. 86.121.18.17 (talk) 21:14, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, you can just pull it out of archives if you want and relist it. I've had to do that before with low-traffic topic ban discussions. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Let's just wait and see; he has been inactive for the past couple of days. I've partially cleaned up a few other articles where he was active (Rainbow Herbicides, Agent Orange, Biological warfare, Project 112, etc.) 86.121.18.17 (talk) 08:37, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: Alex Goot

Ilov90210 asked me about the Alex Goot article and since my response referenced you, I am leaving you a courtesy note. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 23:40, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks. The software does it automatically now though if you link a username. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:22, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Omar Todd

A few users are becoming bothered by the Omar Todd articles that keep appearing on Wikipedia. We're at a count of three pages created already. Someone else has already added the tag for speedy deletion and cited a reason, and a few of us have voiced concerned from the 2nd nomination for deletion (successful) to the current 3rd nomination for deletion (pending). I'm thinking WP:SALT after deletion might be a good way to prevent further articles being created. I'm unable to administer this edit --- perhaps you can? PixiePerilot (talk) 05:34, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like the speedy was declined. But, yes, I probably would salt it if I saw that it was deleted a few times. Since you brought this up on the Afd the deleting admin (If it is deleted) will probably do so. I can always help if he forgets to though. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:21, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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