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Namantar Andolan

I am struggling to keep on top of changes that are being made by a more-or-less SPA at Namantar Andolan, so much so that I've not even found the time to check many of the sources. I've raised one source at RSN - here - but I have more general concerns relating to POV and dealing with them is difficult when I am spending much of my time on that article merely trying to consolidate cites, fix dreadful English, repetition, overly bold claims, probably mangled section organisation/chronology etc. Any chance that you could add it to your watchlist while I try to work my way through things? Or even have a word with the SPA, Bhooshannpy, because I don't know where to start with that: they clearly mean well even if it seems likely that they may not be entirely neutral in their approach. - Sitush (talk) 13:19, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a good faith editor. Might be better to let them edit and then fix the material at leisure. If it begins to get out of hand, warn him/her and I'll protect the page. Will leave a note on their talk page as well. --regentspark (comment) 15:06, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to come back to this after so long. I am trying and trying to communicate with them and they are not responding. A lot of the stuff is good (or will be when I fettle the phrasing etc) but some of it is trivial and they seem to be on a dalit-inspired mission to document every instance of violence that occurred, everywhere, often using sources that are of dubious reliability. Often, when I've attempted to sort some of this out, they've reinstated but continue not to talk about it. I'm deliberately not tearing into the thing but even so, there are concerns and they are being ignored. Could you perhaps try having another word, starting with "Hello, I'm an administrator here ..." just to see if that catches their eye. - Sitush (talk) 15:30, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've left a note on their talk page but I doubt it will help. If you think it helps, a series of escalating warnings may be necessary but that would be a shame because the editor is adding at least some useful material. --regentspark (comment) 18:34, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I agree that they've added some useful stuff and it will be better still when it is fettled. Trying to get them to communicate is thus something of a balancing act but they are going to have to do so at some point because we do not operate in a bubble here & someone else may well be more bite-y than me. And I'm not exactly a Dennis Brown-type diplomat myself. - Sitush (talk) 18:38, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't look like they're paying attention to their talk page so not sure what more we can do. Let's wait and see. --regentspark (comment) 18:40, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I'm not really editing a whole lot these days and, a bit like Boing, I see my main role as making sure that editors like you are given the space to work. So, just let me know what you want! --regentspark (comment) 00:35, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, it shouldn't work like that. I'd rather muddle through when someone is clearly trying to do The Right Thing, although I can see this one becoming an issue in due course. Which, obviously, is just my opinion and, hey, lots of people will disagree with me. Or, at least, they usually do! - Sitush (talk) 01:19, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dear regentspark, There is one brutal incident from Bolsa Villege, I have edited this incident vaguely. Many other sources confirm this incident.Could you please edit this particular incident from Bolsa Village for Namantar Andolan. --Many thanks. Bhooshan NPY (talk) 22:32, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize, looks like I missed this note completely (the new notification bot gives too many notifications!). I'll take a look sometime today or tomorrow. --regentspark (comment) 18:15, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Dear regentspark, Many thanks for your edit. ----- Bhooshan NPY (talk) 23:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. Thanks for adding information on an underrepresented topic! --regentspark (comment) 23:44, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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You just replied to, and thanked a bot, yet people say I am batshit crazy Darkness Shines (talk) 16:06, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Be nice to bots. They're going to rule the world! --regentspark (comment) 18:22, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We already do human. Beep. Darkness Shines (talk) 18:28, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You're a bot? Nothing to worry about then. We humans are safe. :) --regentspark (comment) 19:02, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
perfectly safe. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:25, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 05 June 2013

Minorities in Pakistan a honest request for help

Hi Reagentspark can you take a look at Minorities in Pakistan I have taken a glance at the lead paragraph of the article and it contains some major major pov sentences containing "tyranny" and "massacres" all added by a known pov pusher it has become a pov hell hole could you at least clean up the lead a bit? I also had one last question if someone creates an article and certain people do not like it due to there nationalist views should the creator be banned? Futureperf (an admin) seems to be hell bent on banning a user Darknesshines for creating a decent article which has some pov issues but not the scale of minorities in Pakistan thanks a bunch 31.54.56.16 (talk) 08:23, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, the blocked IP(a sock) had the same concern.-sarvajna (talk) 08:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
RP please just take a look at the article and ignore the tag teaming from Mrt and his crony sarvajna this is a serious issue and not about nationalism any more 31.54.56.16 (talk) 08:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In case Anti-Muslim pogroms in India is not on your watchlist. I just responded to your accusation of OR. Darkness Shines (talk) 20:35, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RP, I would appreciate you strikeing your comment here as the source used does say pogroms. Darkness Shines (talk) 12:59, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Struck. --regentspark (comment) 13:10, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
RP, could the deleted talk of a deleted article be temporarily (for, say, 3-12 hrs) restored / userfied? I just need a glimpse. Is that technically permitted? There are some comments which I need to collect, that's all, and then one admin can delete it perhaps? You don't have to act upon it, just tell me if it's allowed or not or if there is a policy direct me to that, thanks. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 08:45, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Which article is it. I don't see why not and I'll userify it for you (unless there are blp issues I suppose). I looked at Wikipedia:USERFY#NO and don't see anything against doing this. Of course, since it serves no purpose other than collecting whatever information you need, it'll have to be deleted fairly soon.--regentspark (comment) 11:49, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not article but it's talk and I don't know of any technical barriers either. This is the page, ping me whenever you do it. I just need a few hours. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 12:12, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A kitten for you!

Thank you for unblocking me.

Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 14:01, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why is twinkle wikilove working like this? I thought the gift would be a little more glossy but instead what I am left with is just an image and some scribble. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 14:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take the image and the scribble Mrt, thanks. --regentspark (comment) 15:03, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Are you watching Mahatma Gandhi? When did Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi → Mahatma Gandhi happen? Where was I. Shit. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 15:05, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Here. --regentspark (comment) 15:27, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:AN

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. As you took part in the KW topic ban. Dennis Brown / 2¢ / © / @ 15:49, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring

See this large-scale undiscussed removal of content. I don't have the necessary patience nor do I know the proper way to deal with this kind of edits without unilateral reversion. To me, it looks like vandalism but what do I know, as they say, I am just a surly rustic hillbilly. If I revert it, it will be framed as an edit war and then I will be blocked. Kindly take necessary steps. Warn him or block him do whatever an admin is supposed to do in these situations. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 18:37, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It goes on[1]. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 18:38, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WTF?

We just discussed this and I objected to unblock and you just went ahead and did it. Please reblock and seek a consensus at ANI. This is admin abuse and I am absolutely livid. Spartaz Humbug! 18:53, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see it as admin abuse. He voluntarily agreed to a restriction and blocks are not really meant to be punitive. And it's not really necessary to seek consensus for an unblock on ANI. There is, of course (!), already a thread about this on ANI so you're welcome to chime in there. (ANI thread --regentspark (comment) 20:00, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe not admin abuse, but saying "okay Spartaz, it's your call" and to then go ahead and unblock anyway is not very classy, don't you agree?--Atlan (talk) 09:02, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps :) --regentspark (comment) 13:43, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I can see this is a big joke for you but Atlan's point is germane. You are too close to Mr T and DS to be able to judge whether a block is appropriate and your unblock was against the blocking policy which states inter alia ... "Except in cases of unambiguous error, administrators should avoid unblocking users without first attempting to contact the blocking administrator to discuss the matter. If the blocking administrator is not available, or if the administrators cannot come to an agreement, then a discussion at the administrators' noticeboard is recommended."
You knew I was opposed to an unblock and already said at ANI that my block was within policy. I had already invited you to take it to ANI if you disagreed. You chose instead to unblock on a ridiculous pretext without further engagement with me. This is extremely poor judgement and frankly arrogant in your disregard for consensus and alternative viewpoints. You appear to have a history of this and it stinks for you to act in the way with regard to editors you regularly engage with as an editor. The discussion at ANI is clearly a clusterfuck and already worthless but I am not happy with your response and I don't see any evidence that this won't happen again. I am considering an Admin RFCU against you - something I have never ever done in my wikipedia career but which I feel is going to be inevitable if there is not some indication that you have got the message about this issue and are willing to take the views of those who feel the unblock was a poor judgement into account with regard to your future behaviour. Spartaz Humbug! 14:12, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Spartaz, you're angry and rightly so but I can assure you that this is not all a big joke for me, quite the contrary really. I take my role as an admin seriously, perhaps overly so. The way I see it, an admin's job is to facilitate editing, not to prevent it and therefore, yes, other things being equal I do have a preference for unblocking. Yes, I should have at the least informed you of the unblock, that was an oversight and I apologize for that. But, I don't see any history of this and the stuff that is dredged up on ANI is, as usual, only partially reflective of what actually happened. But, of course, if you believe otherwise or see strong evidence that I am some sort of 'serial unblocker against consensus' or that I routinely prop up editors as an involved admin, then you would be well within your rights to start an RfC/U and I respect that. All said and done, I can only really offer you this apology of sorts but, in my conscience anyway, I can assure you I've only acted in good faith. --regentspark (comment) 14:34, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm parsing that as you have no regrets, don't care what other people think and have every intention of doing this again. If this isn't the case perhaps you could clarify. Spartaz Humbug! 14:38, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Why not just accept what is said instead of trying to "parse" it? What RP says is clear enough to me. Anyone who seeks subliminal messages etc (in relation to anything, anywhere) can always find them, but it usually says more about the person than the message. - Sitush (talk) 14:42, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sitush, I don't feel your involvement in this discussion helps anyone. Spartaz Humbug! 14:44, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(Thanks Sitush.) Spartaz, what I've said above should be reasonably clear but I'll do the parsing.... I've apologized to you and said I should have informed you (regret). I've written a lengthy response along with an apology (I do care). I admit I've not specifically said I've no intention of doing this again but, in my view anyway, if we're talking about unblocking Darkness Shines, I would have to be suicidal to unblock him ever again. I have no suicidal tendencies. You're welcome to start an RfC/U. While, obviously, I am not eager to spend the next month or so defending every action that is bound to be dredged up, I don't believe I have done anything (other than in this case) that is indefensible. --regentspark (comment) 14:55, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • That's much clearer for me now and I happier because I see less likelihood that this will happen again. We all act in the belief that we are doing the right thing but there is a clear strand of opinion (not that this = consensus) that your unblocks are, to put it charitably, overgenerous. In the event that you are ever contemplating putting your head into the lion's mouth again, I strongly urge you to open a discussion at ANI instead. Spartaz Humbug! 15:12, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I agree that I am a generous unblocker but I don't believe I've done so without the knowledge of the blocking admin (certainly not in the cases dredged up on ANI) other than in this case though, frankly, the number of people I've blocked or unblocked is miniscule. In our current setup, it is far easier to block than it is to unblock so I do believe it is is useful to have the occasional generous unblock, particularly for editors who contribute a lot of content. While many of those unblocked tend to take the rope given to them and then use it to hang themselves (unfortunately!), many do use the vote of confidence that an unblock carries to come out of it as more productive editors. That, in my opinion, is worth the shot. In this case, the least I should have done was to have informed you with an explicit 'reblock if you don't agree' statement, and I do regret that. --regentspark (comment) 15:24, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion of your unblock of Darkness Shines

Information icon Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Gamaliel (talk) 18:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Commented there. --regentspark (comment) 19:57, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Was it too quiet and peaceful? Crtew (talk) 23:27, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. You know. Summer days. Warm, humid, nothing going on, and too early for g&ts! --regentspark (comment) 23:56, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Udaipur Airport - RM

Dear RegentsPark, It would be very nice if you can visit Talk:Udaipur Airport and express your further view on requested move. Regards. - Jethwarp (talk) 06:08, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

commented. --regentspark (comment) 13:42, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Talkback

Hello, RegentsPark. You have new messages at Vigyani's talk page.
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Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 14:03, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Uhh...

I think you might need some coffee... You restored the TALK page to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mrt3366/Anti-Muslim_pogroms_in_India rather than the actual article! PantherLeapord (talk) 12:16, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

He did what I asked him to do. He was kind enough to accomodate my request. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 12:26, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

you and "moi"

You mentioned me on Sitush's page reg my vote at AN/I, we've had a long interaction including a RfC, remember "three admins" you, Spaceman and YellowMonkey? You see AN/I is on my watch-list. I saw the discussion, could have ignored it but saw Oranges' comment and for better or worse I voted the way I did, as a rule I've never voted to support sanctions against anyone, but I think adminship is a job that needs to be done carefully and it isn't being done carefully enough. I am writing here as I'm feeling bad about the vote, bad but not wrong. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:56, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem YK. Thanks for this note. --regentspark (comment) 20:41, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Favour

I have rewritten and expanded on the pogrom article in userspace here It is now an entirly different article and I would like your feedback on it please. Darkness Shines (talk) 20:59, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DS, the problem is the way it is framed it appears to be a POV fork of Religious_violence_in_India#Anti_Muslim_Violence? Is Anti-Muslim violence in India a legitimate stand alone topic, my gut says probably. But only if it is framed in the context of religious violence and rioting. The way it is framed now it looks like its trying to elevate all anti-Muslim riots to the level of a pogrom. A better idea would be to rephrase everything in terms of violence, and then indicate that the views on what this violence is ranges from religious rioting (spontaneous?) to deliberate pogroms and/or genocide. The subject should be the fact that Muslims have been beaten up and killed in India and how the different lenses through which these killings can be viewed. (In my opinion, of course.) --regentspark (comment) 22:17, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I thought I had rephrased it to specify violence , are you suggesting sections which discuss certain incidents as pogroms/genocide? How would you break the article up yourself? Darkness Shines (talk) 22:21, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest that we centralise this discussion rather than using our user talk pages?—S Marshall T/C 22:32, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I rewrote the lead para to reflect what I think would be roughly the right approach. As an example. --regentspark (comment) 22:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for butting in. I've just taken a quick read-through and it seems rather disjointed: almost an unbulleted list of events that lacks flow and is likely to become a pov-magnet every time another episode kicks off. I've not looked at the sources but I think it would benefit from some sort of coherence being brought to bear. This might also tighten it up in a way that will prevent it from degenerating into a list in future. And, definitely, the varying nature of the incidents should be emphasised rather than the present tendency that seems to drift towards everything being a pogrom. - Sitush (talk) 22:59, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sitush, please feel free to jump in if you have some time to spare, perhaps as S Marshall has said we can use the talk page of the draft to discuss and you guys can let me know were I am going wrong. Darkness Shines (talk) 23:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Butt away Sitush. The goat act suits you :) But seriously, I agree with you. At present, it appears that the point of the article is to show that there are anti-Muslim pogroms in India. The reality, on the other hand, is that calling these acts of violence pogroms is only one view, and a minority one at that too. I guess it's not just a rewrite it needs but a new point of view. (I'll move all this to the talk page.) --regentspark (comment) 23:04, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the draft to User:Darkness Shines/Anti-Muslim violence in India so that the previous history will not be in the article when moved to mainspace. I suspect if any trace of the pogroms article was in the history it would cause a few arguments. Darkness Shines (talk) 09:19, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I seem to recall that RegentsPark made some contributions? Because of the CC-BY-SA and the GFDL, it will be necessary to decide whether a selective history merge is appropriate. If so RegentsPark has the technical ability to perform the merge.—S Marshall T/C 11:33, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well he will have to do it after it hits mainspace, given the way my name is currently being spammed all over the shop and requests are being made for my block/ban it is probably just a matter of time till somebody obliges. RP, can you let me know if that is OK please? Darkness Shines (talk) 14:02, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take a look. I'm not concerned about my edits not appearing in the history but there may be others. Give me 20 minutes.--regentspark (comment) 14:05, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Except for a couple of edits by Solomon, and my genius lead paragraph (!), I don't see anything worth merging. The easiest way to do this is to restore Anti-Muslim Violence in India with a redirect to the lowercase v and with history intact. --regentspark (comment) 14:15, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you would be so kind O genius of lede paragraph writing Darkness Shines (talk) 14:20, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You can move them yourself when you're ready. I don't have the time to look at the text right now but could later this afternoon. --regentspark (comment) 14:21, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
....yeesh, I've just read AN/I. That's not something I normally do so I was unaware of all this background. You know what? I've decided I won't be touching this topic area with a barge pole.—S Marshall T/C 17:05, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. It's a humungous mess. Makes soap operas look tame in comparison. :) --regentspark (comment) 17:32, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have requested a history merge of talk page. I am not at all interested in history merge of the actual page. The Legend of Zorro 17:42, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like Athaenara has deleted the redirect as implausible (rightly) and so I guess a history merge is called for anyway. I'll try to do it tomorrow. --regentspark (comment) 02:01, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
RP, are you keeping an eye on this article? A few editors seem to think academic sources are no good for statements of fact contrary to policy. If you have time please look at this section. Darkness Shines (talk) 09:39, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry DS. You're on your own with this one. Just go through the normal DR process. BTW, the DYK was a bit over the top. --regentspark (comment) 12:20, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I imagine this DYK nomination is why they are playing silly buggers. Darkness Shines (talk) 10:46, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well... imagination can be never wrong. But even if you withdraw the DYK nom, our comments are still gonna come until the article gets proper. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 10:52, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am not asking you to weigh in, I am asking you to keep an eye on things. You are familiar with the history of the article. I thought DYKs were meant to be "over the top" A catchy line to pull people in? Darkness Shines (talk) 12:27, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Catchy lines yes. But a provocative DYK given the history of this article does make me question your judgement. Of the comments on the talk page, the ones made by Anir1uph seem quite sensible - perhaps you could work with him on refining the article? --regentspark (comment) 12:35, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We all have a little "tabloid" about us I suppose. Anir1uph is a reasonable fellow, and coming up with some good thoughts and I am hoping he continues to help out there. Catch you later. Darkness Shines (talk) 12:44, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Just so you know, I do listen on the odd occasion. Darkness Shines (talk) 15:25, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Never doubted it DS :) --regentspark (comment) 15:40, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I am kinda new to this topic area, having generally edited defence-related article. Will try my best :) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 21:14, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 19 June 2013

Ask Darkness Shines not to do it again

DS don't post on Mrt336's talk page again. For any reason. --regentspark (comment) 19:18, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I don't know who else to tell this to but ask Darkness Shines to avoid commenting on my talk except for leaving formal notification templates to relevant discussions I have had it with him. I don't want to interact with him on my talk. I think that is my prerogative. I requested him multiple times politely but he seems to be ignoring those.[2] Do what an admin is supposed to do in these situations, you know better. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 18:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have to tell you when you violate 3RR, seriously. Darkness Shines (talk) 18:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Shut the heck up; they were not reversals. STOP ACCUSING ME OF SOMETHING I DIDN'T DO. I feel insulted. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 18:42, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
DS, he's right. If you're banned from his talk page, you're banned. I suggest you include your warning in edit summaries or contact an admin if you want to warn MrT. --regentspark (comment) 18:57, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I really have to respectfully disagree, ANI, ANEW and all the rest mean you have to post, as does 3RR. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:01, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think the wise thing would be not to post. You can always include a note in your report that states you're not allowed to post on his talk page. Someone else will post the notice for you. (BTW, that doesn't look remotely like a 3RR violation to me but I'm not going to close the report myself.) --regentspark (comment) 19:04, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to if I am wrong, no skin off my teeth. I would expect from the closing admin an admonishment to Mrt to leave a tag till a dispute is resolved, per policy. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:07, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would be more than happy to start a new thread in the ANI about this, should DS choose to keep on disagreeing. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 19:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Fire away. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:14, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

India-Pakistan#List_of_editors_placed_on_notice

How can we permanently delete or remove the named section from the India-Pakistan page? Based on the shenanigans of placing editors on THE LIST and then letting them off lightly when they mess up, the list is even more meaningless than before. Furthermore, editors who shouldn't really be in the position of warning others, especially editors who have themselves been repeatedly ban, are using warnings to create drama and not furthering the productivity of the area. It's worse than useless-- more like trouble. What process can be used to delete the section forever from the page? Crtew (talk) 19:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You would have to take it to arbcom mate. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:42, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It would need a clarification/amendment. It's not a bad idea to ask for it to be removed, the whole thing seems to be causing more drama than it is worth. But, I'm focusing my energies on non-controversial topics like List of drawn cricket matches between Eton College and Horace Mann School these days. :) --regentspark (comment) 20:33, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Really? Eton sucks, show me the topic Darkness Shines (talk) 20:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That should require a warning before we even read or think about the subject matter! Crtew (talk) 20:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
RP, you really should consider our current consensus regarding notability: Number of times Justin Bieber fell asleep watching a TV documentary about the art of riveting in ancient Egyptian boats would never be deleted if taken to AfD. Although, in fairness, obscure cricket-related subjects also seem to have a remarkable ability to survive in the face of common sense ... - Sitush (talk) 00:42, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia must publish THE TRUTH! I have PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE of all these matches - I DREAMED them all! I will ask administrators to BLOCK YOU! --regentspark (comment) 11:36, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Given the prolixy of cricket literature,I'd be astonished if there wasn't a book about Eaton cricket somewhere to source it by. Wisden was still covering Eaton - Harrow within my living memory although I haven't shelled out for one in at least a decade. Spartaz Humbug! 02:11, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bicholim conflict

Hello can you post in my user space the now deleted hoax article "Bicholim conflict". If you are not aware of it see Wikipedia controversies#2013. The Legend of Zorro 07:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could you explain why you want it? It doesn't clearly fall into content that can be userified so if you can give more information that would be helpful.--regentspark (comment) 11:13, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Just Curious. If userfication of hoax is not possible can it be made a section in my sandbox. If that also not possible no problem. The Legend of Zorro 13:13, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Tracking it was a little tricky but the page is already in wikispace at Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia/Bicholim_conflict. --regentspark (comment) 15:44, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Exactly what was I looking for. The Legend of Zorro 16:00, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Copy/paste query

I've temporarily blanked List of Goud Saraswat Brahmin surnames because it was clearly a copy/paste from the source even though it had subsequently undergone a few (unsourced) changes. There are numerous GSB websites and I'm not even sure that relying on the one that was copied can be justified. Could you perhaps take a quick look at the pre-removal state and apply some brain cells? - Sitush (talk) 11:58, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, most GSB-related articles are a complete mess. Take, for example, this one. I started cleaning some a while ago and think that I need to put a concerted effort into it because there is apparently some legal action going on in the community and there has been a lot of additional poor contributions as a consequence of that. - Sitush (talk) 12:01, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. That looks like a list of every individual in that sub sub caste! --regentspark (comment) 15:54, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It seemed a bit that way, yes. I'm not at all sure what to do with it. I'm also having trouble with Spedian (talk · contribs) at GSB-related articles and simply do not have the time, background knowledge or even inclination to fix the copyright violations etc. And take a look at this edit summary - I've never, ever done this before but what the heck are we supposed to do when more and more entries are being added and yet the {{unreferenced}} is being ignored? I thought that there was a tradition that Brahmins were relatively well-educated and literate people etc, so why these and other GSB articles are among the worst I've seen relating to any caste group is beyond me. The contributors have been getting away with it for far too long. - Sitush (talk) 19:06, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sitush, Sorry for the mistake. I have edited only Kashi Math. Spedian (talk) 19:20, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, not quite. For example, you have also been involved at Goud Saraswat Brahmins of Cochin, which I had to hack into a few hours ago. I'm not blaming you for all of this, by the way: I'm a bit frustrated that these problems have existed for so long, that maintenance tags have been ignored and, frankly, that some of the articles were created in the first place. As an example of the latter, I'm struggling to understand why we need a separate article for the Cochin GSBs. - Sitush (talk) 19:26, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

Hi. I mentioned you in an ANI thread related to WP:ARBIPA. I'm not sure if you want to comment there or not. Cheers, Mathsci (talk) 00:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks MathSci. I've been following the ANI thread but have preferred to stay out of it for now but will take a look (have been offline for a day). --regentspark (comment) 12:14, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Took a look. Still no comment :) --regentspark (comment) 12:37, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

I have mentioned you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Block review - OrangesRyellow -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 06:58, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Will definitely comment there. --regentspark (comment) 12:15, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2013 Shahbag protests‎

RegentsPark, Please see the talk page discussion at 2013 Shahbag protests‎ that I started to generate a discussion about the bias in the article. The biased article is left in mainspace intact, and my self-reverted WP:Bold edit is available to facilitate discussion. Crtew (talk) 21:48, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you just go ahead and make your changes stick. I don't know anything about these protests so figuring out the POV is going to be way beyond my pay scale but I don't see why you want to discuss first and change later. Follow BRD, make the changes, and wait for them to be challenged. There is already way too much talk on Wikipedia! --regentspark (comment) 01:59, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral notice

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Hey!

 Hello RegentsPark, Eduemoni has given you a shining smiling star! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the Shining Smiling Star whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy! Eduemoni↑talk↓ 01:15, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! --regentspark (comment) 01:59, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

MrT

I really do hope that you won't be engaging in another unblock without discussing with either myself or Bwilkins. I realise that this comment doesn't particularly assume gf but I'm sure you can understand why I might want to leave the comment. Spartaz Humbug! 03:31, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Favour II

Can you search Jstor for any recent articles which discuss the Shah-Nanavati commission findings on the Godhra train burning, it has surprised me that there are no mentions of this report on recent books which discuss the Gujarat violence. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:51, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I emailed you a couple. There aren't a whole lot but can send more if you like. --regentspark (comment) 15:07, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that, shall get back to you if these do not contain enough information. Strange that is is not being used ain't it. Darkness Shines (talk) 15:40, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You edit Wikipedia and find things in the real world strange :) Let me know if you want more. I'll scan the list and see if there is anything substantive and will send it along. --regentspark (comment) 15:44, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As near as I can figure the full report was never released? But I think the reason it is not really used by anyone is due to the fact that the fix was in Darkness Shines (talk) 16:10, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Visual Editor

I tried Vis Ed and then turned it off because it was complete crap. I realise that it will improve but suddenly my preference seems to have been usurped by some global change. The problem is, I can't spot how to reset my preference - can you? - Sitush (talk) 23:19, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Crap is a polite way of putting it, I just went looking for how to turn it off and was unable to see how, so gotta press edit source now rather than edit. Darkness Shines (talk) 23:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, another SNAFU situation by the development team. This is getting worse by the day. - Sitush (talk) 23:34, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It has its pluses and minuses. The big issue for me right now is how slow it is. By the time the page loads and I've typed something I've pretty much lost interest. Also, referencing is imperfect. But, edit source is available so, I guess, it's not a big deal. Someone will doubtless write a script to disable it completely. --regentspark (comment) 23:47, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You've lost interest; me, in my advanced years, have forgotten what it was I intended to do ;) - Sitush (talk) 23:51, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps it'll be more useful on talk pages. That way, by the time DS can finish cursing, he'd be out cold on the sofa. :) --regentspark (comment) 23:53, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Which, for no particular reason, has just dragged up this ditty from the recesses of that which I deign to call a brain.

Oh, how sad it is to be/inert, defunct, inane/Oh, to be like yesteryear/Ert, funct and ane again. - Sitush (talk) 23:54, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Very good RP, perhaps you can persuade the codemonkeys to enable it just for me on talk pages. Darkness Shines (talk) 00:33, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nuke using Preferences → Gadgets → Editing section → hide Visual Editor. The UI is becoming a more confusing place by the months and the Prefs section is rapidly heading in the same direction. - Sitush (talk) 01:16, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring

Thanks for your note, RP. There is still no replies in the talk page of the article. Now if I re-add the contents, would that be counted as revert? Also, the dispute is still not resolved and they are removing the tags. Is it licit? --Zayeem (talk) 12:31, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have to take a look but later today. Could you drop a diff about the specific edit you want to re-add? --regentspark (comment) 13:47, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I'll wait a little more for their reply and leave a diff here after performing that edit. Thanks.--Zayeem (talk) 14:21, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have made this edit, they didn't show any concern regarding these contents, also I've made it quite clear why those contents are valid in the discussion here.--Zayeem (talk) 18:29, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There you go, while I was writing this note, an SPA reverted me.--Zayeem (talk) 18:29, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have discussed why I have reverted you please drop your stick and assume good faith and stop edit warring with POV edits. ECTOPmopr (talk) 18:32, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore that article in question is about Biharis persecuted in Bangladesh not the persecution of Bengalis the causes section is far to pointy and is a way to try and justify the persecution by bangladeshi editors. ECTOPmopr (talk) 18:34, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
DS what do you think anyways? I reckon my arguments are decent ? ECTOPmopr (talk) 18:41, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh well. Blocked. --regentspark (comment) 19:24, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
RP, can you take a look at these edits [3], [4], [5], this user is just keep me reverting all the time, this often become annoying.--Zayeem (talk) 13:58, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here's my take on this.

  • In Persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh, you need to clearly state what you want added to the article. I suggest starting a new section in the talk page with your suggested text and, if you don't get support, taking this to some form of dispute resolution. At that point, you could place a 'disputed-section' tag on the section where you want the text added. It seems to me that you have one concern, the actions of Biharis during the BLW, and that doesn't really warrant a POV tag on the entire article. And, it seems to me, that you're in a minority over the need for these tags so you might want to bear that in mind.
  • In East Pakistan, the situation is murkier. There do seem to be general concerns that the article is not neutral. Perhaps what you can do is to create a new section titled "Need for neutrality", state that you're doing so because of the concerns expressed in the 'Horrible Inaccuracy' section above, and that you're tagging the article with a POV tag because of that. Then, list a few of the issues that you believe make the article non-neutral. If you do that, and if Faizan removes the tag, I'll remind him that he needs to go get consensus before removing it.
  • Bangladesh liberation war. Not sure about this. I suggest leaving the text as per Faizan and discussing how to describe the Bangladeshi side on the talk page.

Hope this helps. A general suggestion is that you place only one tag at a time on articles. Tag bombing is not a good idea because it is usually unnecessarily aggressive. --regentspark (comment) 14:18, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. Yes I've also agreed to remove the tags on the persecution article, but it is quite annoying when someone reverts you. The article on East Pakistan - an user has already expressed his concerns in the talk page here, but still the tags are being removed without replying in the talk page. The article on Bangladesh liberation war - I have already started a thread regarding this right after the first revert, but the user is just reverting without replying in the talk page.--Zayeem (talk) 14:32, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, since the Bangladesh liberation war issue is a content issue between you and Faizan, I suggest a WP:3O if you can't mutually resolve it. It appears to be ideal for that. --regentspark (comment) 14:40, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but it's more frustrating when the other editor is just edit warring without replying in the talk page. There is still no reply in the talk page of Bangladesh liberation war and since the user is on 3RR, I guess one of his associate would make a revert in the article as happened in other articles. Please keep that page in your watchlist.--Zayeem (talk) 15:09, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, I think that it is not appropriate to accuse the other editor of such. As far as the article of Bangladesh Liberation War is concerned, it will have another RfC. And I am having discussion with on all articles concerned, both at East Pakistan and Indo-Pakistani War of 1971. I ought to be invited to this discussion on RP's talk too. Faizan 15:15, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like handbags at dawn for Z&F. On a more serious note though, RP should you have a little time to spare I would appreciate your looking over my rewrite of a rather contentious article, it is still in progress but I really would like some feedback. Darkness Shines (talk) 15:34, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. They're both heading for a block. What's the point in that Faizan and Kmzayeem? The trick is not to keep reverting each other but to, instead, seek a broader consensus and be willing to let go if it doesn't come out in your favor. --regentspark (comment) 19:38, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hindi

You are right. That careless edit/revert was my mistake. I should be more careful. Zyma (talk) 13:17, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not a problem. I wasn't sure either and had to look up the meaning of Kangars to figure that out. --regentspark (comment) 13:19, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Thanks. Zyma (talk) 13:47, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diplomacy
For the extra mile you've gone on Mr T's page. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 11:34, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I just hope this gets resolved favorably and soon. --regentspark (comment) 12:03, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of "Nizams" from India

hey regents can you pay a visit to the page India, there's nothing written about the princely Hyderabad State and the history behind its annexation. It is considered to be greatest history in india where its independence came a year after that of whole india. This state has a great islamic culture and tradition dated back to 16th century. They were considered to be the richest princely state with many palaces and guest houses spread across the country, they used to have their own railway, civil services, postal, currency departments and so do you believe that the page India is complete without that which you have reverted ??

Alurujaya (talk) 14:33, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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