User talk:STATicVapor

Template:Machine Gun Kelly

Hey, sorry I messed up the MGK info box. I'm alright with the template being deleted but can you add some of the stuff I added to it; regarding the mixtape section and the addition of "Alone" by Sleeping With Sirens to the Featured Singles section?ThaPhenom (talk) 06:27, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

My purpose for removing them was due to WP:NAVBOX, which means if the song/mixtape/album does not have a Wikipedia article that can be wikilinked then it should not be included in the template until then. I believe that Template:MGK needs to moved to reflect the correct name, and I will redirect it once the other template is deleted, if it has not been already. <unreleated> I listened to "Alone" and I do not know why but the song seemed kinda awkward to me, I liked the song on Black Flag with Kellin much better lol I do not know if you agree.</unrelated> STATic message me! 06:38, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

I prefer the song from Black Flag as well, it seems less forced than "Alone" did. Sorry for being such a hassle the last few days, I'm kinda new to making edits on Wikipedia. "Alone" doesn't have it's own page yet, that's why I linked Feel instead, and the mixtapes were just put on so more people would be aware of them, Rage Pack isn't even mentioned on the page. Thanks for not being rude about all this.ThaPhenom (talk) 06:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah exactly what I was thinking, I felt like Kelly did not fit in the song at all. No hassle at all I can tell you were editing with good intentions from the beginning and you were not fully knowledgeable to all the relevant policies. Yeah that is kind of the point tho, if the song/mixtape it does not need to be included in the template as it is used to navigate between the articles related to Kelly and as far as I can tell "Alone" is not mentioned much on the Feel page anyways. What needs to be done is the template needs to link to his discography page so readers can find the information about the mixtapes there. I will go ahead and add that right now. STATic message me! 06:55, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for understanding. Would his other mixtapes be able to have pages made, since a majority of them have at least one professional review (as individual mixtapes) and interviews about them?ThaPhenom (talk) 07:02, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

I mean WP:NALBUMS is pretty strict in that articles on mixtapes should not really exist unless covered by reliable sources outside of trivial coverage. I found [1] for Rage Pack, nothing for Lace Up, not much at all for 100 Words.... and [2] for EST 4 Life. I mean when it comes to mixtapes it is usually just the trivial announcement of its release and not many reviews them. STATic message me! 07:26, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Tomorrow I'll do my own research, make an article on sandbox, and then share the link with you so we can collaborate on the article like I did with Black Flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThaPhenom (talk • contribs) 07:40, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok sounds good to me. And on the topic I believe Black Flag will become notable, we just need to wait till a couple reliable sources review it. STATic message me! 16:25, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey man, Black Flag (MGK Mixtape) was approved as a C Class article on the fourth of July and I was wondering if you would be willing to add it to the MGK page.ThaPhenom (talk) 21:36, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Looks good to me! I will give it some cleanup for you, do not be offended if I remove the "free album, second album" stuff because it is a promotional technique, and his next album will not be referred to as his third album.. we both know that. What are you asking me to do though? STATic message me! 22:35, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Maybe just link it within the black flag section of the article, and put it wherever else you think it should be added to. And can you please leave the "promotional" stuff about it being an album? I'll edit it out when it's revealed to be otherwise. ThaPhenom (talk) 22:41, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Thats the thing, this is not the first time a mixtape has been called a album, but it all boils down to that mixtapes are free and albums are sold for retail. If a project is not made available for retail sale it is not a studio album. An example would be that Yelawolf called his last mixtape "Trunk Music Returns" a "free album" but on Wikipedia we do not consider it his second album. Also I do not remember the name of the page you originally created Black Flag at but that page needs to redirect to the current page I had it moved too Black Flag (mixtape). STATic message me! 22:52, 6 July

Okay thanks.

Yeah glad you understand now :) STATic message me! 03:37, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeezus

Only reason you won't find Gigwise on Metacritic or ADM is because they don't give any scores in their reviews; it'd be impossible for a review aggregator to use them. 2.127.89.190 (talk) 02:13, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

That is not correct as newspapers such as Los Angeles Times and the Boston Globe do not always give scores and they are still included in Metacritic. Please stop edit warring as I do not see what point you are trying to prove. STATic message me! 02:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

OK fair enough then, I didn't know that. Still, have a read of Wikipedia:MOSALBUM#Critical_reception. Gigwise fits the criteria. Also I'm not affilated with Gigwise in any way, please don't be so quick to jump to conclusions, they are a large site and commonly referenced on Wikipedia (they even have their own Wikipedia page). Also, why did you revert my changes to the last paragraph in the first section of the Yeezus article? What exactly were you unhappy with? I kept the "rave reviews" bit and used sources for my changes. 2.127.89.190 (talk) 02:23, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Not the first time you did not, and again I explained multiple times it was the third highest selling album of the year so public reaction was not mixed. When it all comes down to it projections are just that projections so it does not matter if it sold 200k less then someone thought it would. You also removed the fact it was the third highest debuting of the year, overlinked Def Jam and changed "on July 4" to "in July 4". It is not a quick jump when you constantly continue to add it without discussing and leave false edit summaries. STATic message me! 02:31, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

You simply cannot gauge public reaction through record sales. Many of the people (a majority, even) purchasing the album first week would have not heard the album before buying it. Even though I think the method of using sales to describe public reaction is flawed, if we were to use them, relative sales would be more relevant than absolute sales (for obvious reasons). Plenty of reliable sources have stated that initial fan reaction to the album, in contrast to the initial critical reaction, was mixed. I am willing to defer on all the other edits I made, but I do not see why my sourced sentence on public reaction was removed. 2.127.89.190 (talk) 09:45, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Well now it is protected again (thank God) so oh well. STATic message me! 14:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

You are completely justified in your changes, but I don't see how 'Yeezus' can be classed as Hip Hop.... it's Glitch-hop at best... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.172.6.204 (talk) 10:01, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

X

Not really original research, if it was really releasing in 2 weeks then wheres the pre orders, track list or cover? The date was announced in April and i think its safe to say its not happening. Koala15 (talk) 15:20, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Kik

Sorry STATic, I'm a new Wikipedia user and I was just playing around. I did that because I did not think anybody would go on Kik Messenger. LOL. I am not gay, do not have a Kik account and made that up. Jakesthebest568 Jakesthebest568 (talk) 23:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Young Money

Lourdes Rodriguez is apart of Young Money. She's working on a project with Reginae. It's on twitter if you need proof. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uniquelymadeee (talk • contribs) 02:08, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I added it back with a reliable source. Next time provide one so I do not think you are someone trying to add false information. STATic message me! 02:52, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Can you show me the italics...

...in this (my edit) please?  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 04:55, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

You are missing it, as it does not affect the template. The album infobox template automatically makes the TITLE of the article in italics as does the film infobox template. So by removing the little template there you made the TITLE of the article Untitled Nas Album instead of Untitled Nas Album like it was before. Look at this and this, if you cannot see the difference I do not know what else to tell you. STATic message me! 05:07, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Run the Jewels

In reply to what you said here the Run the Jewels is available for free download on the record labels website but you can order a physical album here and the album will be released to retail on July 30, as you can see here. So it wouldn't be correct to call it a mixtape since it wasn't released to DatPiff or Livemixtapes. Koala15 (talk) 03:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I would not have changed it if you provided one of the last two sources from the beginning. I assumed they were calling it a "free album" as a promotional technique some artists use for mixtapes nowadays after I saw it was on DatPiff. You might want to add it to the 2013 in hip hop music page. Which might need a little bit of fixing btw since for some reason some IPs decided to add mixtapes and not notable artists to the Released albums section, but I think I got them all. STATic message me! 03:29, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

J Cole "Crooked Smile" Sample

J.Cole's Manager "IB" discusses the sample being Jennifer Hudson's.

Link: http://jcolenation.com/board/index.php?/topic/1947-ib-ibrahim-hamad-breaks-down-born-sinner-track-by-track/

Now at least can we agree on it being an uncredited sample by her?

Go ahead and add it then. In the future though keep in mind forums are nowhere near to reliable sources. STATic message me! 07:58, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

You're right. I'll change the source to the direct Interview from Vibe Magazine:

http://www.vibe.com/photo-gallery/tale-tape-dreamville-president-ibrahim-ib-hamad-breaks-down-j-coles-born-sinner/?page=1

Christian Music Zine

The criteria states exactly this: "Professional reviews may include only reviews written by professional music journalists or DJs, or found within any online or print publication having a (paid or volunteer) editorial and writing staff (which excludes personal blogs). The standard for inclusion always is that the review meet Wikipedia's guideline for reliable sources and that the source be independent of the artist, record company, etc." So, it has a writing staff with an editorial team in place, and it is independent of the artist they review. I am not going to stop using the site nor others' like it because the WP:ALBUM/REVSIT is outdated and not current, and it should not be sited to restrict because it is not a policy nor a guideline rather an essay. By the way, REVSIT is greatly discriminatory and biased towards Christian magazines even CCM Magazine, Christianity Today, HM, Worship Leader are not on it, so I do not trust REVSIT, when it comes to the Christian genre in the least. Also, is webzines like Jesus Freak Hideout, New Release Tuesday, Indie Vision Music on this list? Nope. Christian Music Zine is not a personal blog in the least!HotHat (talk) 02:21, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is outdated but it is not an essay in any way as you think it is for some reason, it is apart of WP: WikiProject Albums which governs all album articles. I just saw a bunch of non notable reviewers and I removed them. If you disagree with that one go ahead and readd it. It had actually slipped my mind that ABR was a Christian band as I do not follow their music that much or with Christian magazines. STATic message me! 03:10, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I reverted at least one of the reviews. Did you see non-notable reviewers, non-notable publications or something else? Are you using the term "notable" in Wikipedia terms or something else? Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:52, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I meant publications that are not notable as album reviewers, and not found on WP:ALBUM/REVSITE or would seem to be included anytime soon. I am not that familiar with Christian magazines so if I was wrong I was subject to some being added back. STATic message me! 04:05, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I agree that the some of the publications do not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines and I'm not entirely sure that they would qualify as review sites either, which is why I only restored one. I'll see if anything is happening at the project page later.

Thanks again, and I hope it doesn't seem like you're being ganged-up on. As the Monty Python sketch states "nobody expects the Spanish inquisition", and I certainly don't mean to throw one! Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:56, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah it is all good, glad you agree! STATic message me! 05:06, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I have started the discussion, so lets talk if you want.HotHat (talk) 07:57, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

RE:

Thank i taught since it doesn't matter to put the internet champion i go stay their and thank o and when i make my favorite wrestlers to WWE TNA ROH u can be the first to message me or message me on my talk or user talk page so when i make it i go make sure u the first one to review or tell me about it Thanks! STATic Verseatide Dyorkerman (talk) 21:30, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Canvassing

Hi STATic Verseatide. I know you've been around here quite a while, but I'm not sure if you're aware of Wikipedia's guideline regarding canvassing...? Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 17:54, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

It was an attempt to notify the voters at the Deadmau5 debate due to it being the same issue. So I would rather achieve consensus then only have a few people see the debate. I did not tell anyone how to vote, just to provide their two cents but I was not surprised they were in agreeance. STATic message me! 18:00, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm disappointed that you're really making me spell this out to you, STATic Verseatide. But here goes: Your behaviour is not in keeping with the community's expectations regarding inviting others to a dispute resolution process. If we consider the table at the bottom of Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate notification, your messages are problematic in at least two, possibly three of the realms (scale, message, audience, and transparency).

• Scale: Notifying 13 users is somewhere in between appropriate and inappropriate, as it is bordering on mass posting.
• Message: Your message is not neutral where it invites the user to comment "to overturn another horrible move based on a name no reliable sources refer to the subject as". There's just no way to read that as a neutral invitation.
• Audience: You invited everyone from the Deadmau5 discussion that supported the similar position you are holding with respect to Tech Nine, and you invited no one who held the opposing opinion. So it was a fully partisan audience you invited. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:53, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

The only reason I was inviting anyone is, because as far as I can tell there is no template to put on the article page to notify anyone passing by it that a RM discussion is currently on going. It is a name the subject is not known as, so it is a horrible name just like Deadmaus. I did not just invite supporters, I also invited people that showed concern in the Tech Nine name in the past and another supporter of the move also indicated that the Deadmau5 RM participants should be notified. Maybe my message was not as neutral as possible, but it would be best to WP:AGF, I am not trying to push my vote or side just want to achieve proper consensus. It would be worse if I was the nominator but I am just a supporter of a better encyclopedia. If I would have not invited anyone it would have just been the MOS warriors pushing their bureaucratic barrage across the Wikipedia again. Do not make it out like I sent it to every single supporter of the other move, which I did not and other editors not involved in Deadmaus/5 also voiced their support for Tech N9ne. If it makes you feel better I did not know about Canvassing prior to this discussion, and I also planned to post it at the WP: WikiProject Hip hop but it is not very active. STATic message me! 22:02, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh I don't doubt at all your intentions are to improve the encyclopedia. I was assuming good faith right from the start. People often have the best of intentions but still run afoul of guidelines about dispute resolution processes here. The thing is, I can't quite reconcile your comments "I am not trying to push my vote" with your multiple messages inviting people to comment "to overturn another horrible move". (And your dismissal of certain editors as "the MOS warriors pushing their bureaucratic barrage across the Wikipedia" actually makes this worse, not better.) Can we find a way forward here? Would you be willing to post neutral messages on the talk pages of editors who had the opposite position at Deadmau5/s as your own? Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 22:26, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I think if you were more familiar with the artist you would understand my passion about the discussion as many were with the Deadmau5 move, which I barely even had discussion in. I would but the only opposers outside of two random IPs have already commented at Talk: Tech Nine so there would be no point. Also keep in mind I only invited some supporters among one or two uninvolved editors. STATic message me! 22:36, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Passion is fine; sometimes in discussions heated passion can give the impression (intended or not) that one does not respect the opinions of other editors opposing one's own.

You have notified 13 editors who support your own position on Deadmau5 and would be expected to support your same position on Tech Nine. This is a problem; you are pulling in a biased sample, or at least it has that appearance. I see that in the discussion at Talk:Deadmau5/Archive 1#Requested move 1 there are still quite a few editors who hold an opinion different than yours who could be invited. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 23:01, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Note that I am opening a discussion at WP:ANI but I emphasize this is not with any intent to punish or embarrass you. I take you at your word that you had not previously seen WP:CANVASS, and I do believe you are attempting to improve the encyclopedia. But I need guidance from other people about how to handle a discussion (Talk:Tech Nine#Requested move 2) when this kind of canvassing has occurred. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 01:42, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

In all civility you have to be kidding me? There is not need for a big old drama filled discussion. If you want me to apologize I will, and in hindsight I should have not done it, but it was just an attempt to notify members of the community that would not have previously seen the discussion. Should I have chosen my words better? Yes, but do not drag my name through the mud and make me go through that process -.- I was not even around for the origional move discussion, and it was not even on the talk page anymore so I had not seen it. STATic message me! 01:55, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

("In all civility"—I like that!) No, no, I'm not trying to pressure you to apologize. I really went out of my way to word my opening comments in the discussion to avoid any impression that I am trying to drag your name through the mud. The intention with the canvassing guideline is to ensure that when there is a dispute that a fair sample of the community shows up to offer their perspectives on the dispute, and my intention here is only to resolve my concern that it is a biased sample that is showing up at this particular move request. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:06, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

That is not true however, I invited them to vote and they could have voted however they want. Only about six I think even commented on it so it is not that big of a deal. I did not even nominate it for the move. STATic message me! 02:09, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Certainly they could vote however they want; the issue is that they were very likely to hold a similar position on Tech Nine as they did on Deadmau5. And six is more than enough to sway a consensus. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

All it takes in common sense, or should we use a name for the article the subject has never been referred as? Since you know that make sense.. If it is the right policy backed name then it is not swaying consensus. More voters would still be in support even if I did not notify the others. STATic message me! 02:16, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Big Sean's album

Switch Up is not a single, google it. It was a promotional non-commercial song put out just for his fans, hence why it never charted on the hot 100. So i'm not sure why you changed my edit when it was correct.

He announced that he released it as the second single off the album, and it did chart hence the reason it has a Wikipedia page. The song was sent to retail so yes it was a single and he has not even said Beware is the second single, it was called the third. You have not provided any reliable source for your change. STATic message me! 19:23, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

No it did not chart on the hot 100, it charted on the irrelevant hip hop rap songs chart an i'm not sure why you think i'm making this up, leave my edit. He tweeted that Switch Up is not a single off the album. Proof: https://twitter.com/BigSean/status/320652626431709184

Just because a song did not chart on the Hot 100 does not make it a single, and I would seriously refute your proclaimed irrelevance of the chart. Was it released to iTunes for retail sale? Yes? Then it is a single, many reliable sources call it the second single off the album and "Beware" the third. See the article for Promotional single, they are released for free. Thank you for providing a source but he can call it whatever he wants, see the article for single. STATic message me! 00:04, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Just because a song is released on itunes doesn't mean it's a single...have you heard of promotional singles? It's 90% of the time when a single flops (see Love This Life by T.I. (hence does not chart well on the hot 100...(aka only chart that matters realistically). Also, a majority of people barely know anything about the album so of course they call it the 3rd single. The artist himself tweeted that the song is not an official single so i don't know why you insist on being bitter about this.

I already fixed it so I am not sure what you are complaining about. I gave you the link to what a promotional single is, you are just making up a definition for it. Just because you think a song flopped does not make it a promotional single. See the link, what does it say? "Switch Up" (featuring Common) - Single. STATic message me! 06:21, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Last time i'm gonna bother replying to this denial. Every single song that comes out before an album is released is labeled as a "single" by iTunes...they're not gonna put "promotional single" in front of the songs name. My source was literally straight from the artist himself so refuting it is just childish.

You are the one acting childish and making up definitions of words to try to push your opinion. Again, the article has already been changed to reflect this so stop complaining. STATic message me! 06:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Good evening. Till I Die also flopped, but that doesn't mean that the song is not the third single of Fortune. Switch Up is the same; it was released as the second official single, deal with it. Greets --188.109.161.47 (talk) 18:32, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I added a section called promotional singles due to the fact that he confirmed that they were not singles on twitter (and they didn't make the final track list) so don't flip and change it back because if you look, Beware is the only song that made the final track list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoka1234 (talk • contribs) 12:13, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Well look at that, it was reverted. It does not matter if he wants to call them singles or not (he called Guap and Fire singles many many times). The song were released for retail sale and were still included on widely distributed versions of the album, so they are singles from the album. And they will still that way on the article. STATic message me! 14:30, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Dyokerman

Thanks for spotting Dyorkerman's obvious gimmick infringement on my user page.

I have a sneaking suspicion this guy may be WWEJobber under a sock puppet name, and if it is, he shouldn't be here because he's been banned for mulitple Wiki sins.

Vjmlhds (talk) 14:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

To be honest, I do not think so I mean if you remember WWEJobber had much better spelling and grammar so I would not suspect him. Maybe he's just a young wrestling fan that does not know much about Wikipedia. But it is kind of surprising to me that he has not created a sockpuppet to mess with the project again. STATic message me! 17:10, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

The fact that he straight up copied my user page just raises red flags. And Jobber didn't always use perfect spelling/grammar. He also has used a sock puppet before (Nomelck). Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree, but something's just fishy here. Vjmlhds (talk) 17:56, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey

Hey,

Just wondering, how did you get the message to pop up on your talk page as people leave a message? -- MisterShiney ✉ 19:55, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

The edit notice? To be honest I put it there over a year ago and I forgot how. I think you create it at User:MisterShiney/Editnotice and I am not sure if it will pop up automatically or you have to do something. STATic message me! 20:00, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks :) -- MisterShiney ✉ 20:02, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia: Editnotice might also help. STATic message me! 20:11, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Done it...I think lol. -- MisterShiney ✉ 20:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah it is there now, glad you grasped how to do it since I completely forgot lol. STATic message me! 20:48, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Niteshift36 (talk) has given you a dove! Doves promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day happier. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a dove, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past (this fits perfectly) or a good friend. Cheers!

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Seriously, I agree that whole thing went way too far, way too fast. I've seen your edits elsewhere and at AfD and we are usually in agreement. I apologize for my part in how out of hand that got. Niteshift36 (talk) 20:15, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

I mean come on dude you sent me like the same message a year ago, there is no need for these little squabbles and WikiDrama. I am not some fanboy trying to add unverified content, I am just trying to expand the encyclopedia. Next time we have a disagreement, lets limit it to 1R and just do our best to discuss out the issue, especially as small and minor as this was. The "gay" comments were just ridiculous and uncalled for, I do not know how you think that was gonna get the discussion anywhere. But yeah I apologize too and lets not let this happen again. STATic message me! 20:48, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• And you couldn't just go "ok, cool, let's do this....." without rehashing the "gay" comments, as if they were somehow so much worse than "retarded monkey" or "I assume the closest thing you've gotten to getting some is with your hand underneath your batman bedsheet"? Man, I try to make peace and you want to keep poking at it. Whatever. Niteshift36 (talk) 20:56, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh nooo do not take it that way man, I admit I was in the wrong too. Do not take what I said as trying to rehash anything, lets just be at peace. STATic message me! 21:07, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech N9ne

I just replied to the talk page, thanks for bringing it to my attention, I think me personally have his name AUTOGRAPHED TATTOOED on my arm, makes proof enough for it to be moved over, but just in case, i brought up a few points. 2BARQUACK.COM (talk) 16:58, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Taylor Gang

I run web for Taylor Gang Ent. it's not Taylor Gang Records

If the correct path is to create a page for taylor gang ent and redirect taylor gang records to ent I will.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thunkele (talk • contribs) 20:12, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I need reliable third party sources that call it "Taylor Gang Ent." I just searched for some and did not find any. There are references in the article that call it Taylor Gang Records. STATic message me! 23:05, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Spring Breakers genre

Hey there. You tell me "There are many many sources that call it that, but thanks for your opioion." but on the Talk page of the film's article you say "A wide variety, if not the majority of these sources do not cite the movie as a comedy at all". Contradicting. Your own research backs my edits, so would you please revert them back? It's very much questionable that the film is a comedy, however it is not questioned at all that's a drama. Presence of humor alone is not a enough to define a comedy as such and that's why most reliable sources (i.e: IMDB) call it a drama. Cataloging it as a comedy will make people come across this movie when looking into, reading about or referencing comedies, and this would be a mistake. Thank you. — Santiago Mendez 06:30, 15 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valkian (talk • contribs)

See the whole conversation and the sources provided by both sides in that discussion. IMDB consists of user generated content, so it is very far from a reliable source. AllMovie among other sources call it a comedy, which it clearly is in part. Your WP:OR that the movie is not a comedy is not going to cut it. STATic message me! 10:57, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

It's not clear to me at all that's a comedy, just as it's not a thriller or a suspense movie, even though it has elements of both. But don't take my word for it, here is the film file from one of the movie's production companies: http://annapurnapics.com/main/springbreakers.html#synopsis designating it a drama. Does it get any more official than that? The other sources are either critics or movie sites, this is the people who made and financed the film. If anything, the article should at least first call it a drama, and then either in parenthesis or a comment, let know that certain cited sources also call it a comedy. Yet not include it in the comedy category. — Santiago Mendez 16:36, 15 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valkian (talk • contribs)

Sorry, we go off of what critics and other reliable sources call the movie, not what the production company wants to designate it as. In the lead it can say it is a "drama and comedy film.." but that really does not make a difference. STATic message me! 16:45, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Would you care to elaborate why critics and other sources are more reliable than this? I'd like to think it's not just your opinion. — Santiago Mendez 17:23, 15 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valkian (talk • contribs)

It is not very hard to understand, we at Wikipedia use reliable third party sources not self published sources or sources that come directly from the subject/its associates, especially when it comes to genres. My opinion does not matter, that is why I am not giving it. See the discussion here if you wish to continue this discussion. STATic message me! 17:30, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

??????

Get out of here with that minor edits crap Static. It was a minor edit and you know it. MsScorpioMoon (talk) 18:48, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Only we can have a dispute without getting caught :) MsScorpioMoon (talk) 21:05, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Joey Bada$$

Hey Static, I am Joey's publicist. I asked Jason to make the change, as I am not a member on Wiki. His last name is not Scott. Just Virginie. If you can kindly fix, it would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.85.84.33 (talk) 21:49, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey Static,

Thought I gave reason when I made the edit but it's possible it didn't go through. His last name isn't Scott. It's Virginie. This was misreported in a few places and has now "stuck." Let me know if you'd like me to restore the edit or if you would prefer to. Thanks!

How do you know? What is your source that the information is incorrect? Billboard reports that as his last name, which is referenced in the article. They would not post a false name. STATic message me! 01:05, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Policy development

You are more than welcome to comment on Ground rules.HotHat (talk) 07:28, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Money in the Bank winners

Are you okay with the current version of Template:Money in the Bank winners, or should it be reverted back to before the IP's edits yesterday so consensus can be reached about what to change before it's changed? —C.Fred (talk) 00:09, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

The way it is right now looks just fine. STATic message me! 00:13, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

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Re:Cvlwr

Oh, you bet, that's him. In the last month or two, I've seen him active on a few pages I watch, but they weren't vandal edits so I didn't pursue further blocks. But it looks like he's back on the warpath. Tokyo-area IP editing on American hip hop pages, especially discographical information. Chubbles (talk) 05:33, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

At first I was all confused on who this was lol. Yeah I have been going through hell with him the last week or so, but now there is a range block on some of his IP addresses and a few others that were also blocked. STATic message me! 05:35, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Not the first time he's been rangeblocked; have a look at the sock case if you like, I suppose there's no good reason why you couldn't reopen it if you wanted. Chubbles (talk) 12:52, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

RE: AGF

I assumed CritaCal was just some vandal cause i remember a few months ago he was trying to add himself to No Love Lost (Joe Budden album) as you can see the odd message he left on Talk:No Love Lost (Joe Budden album). Koala15 (talk) 00:48, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't add it cause he tends not to receive credit as he told me a few times. Even though i haven't seen the linear notes i would assume if he was credited someone would have added it before today. Koala15 (talk) 00:58, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Beat Assailant

Given the sources, I'm surprised that you decided to CSD A7 this, rather than bring it to AfD. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 07:18, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

The only reliable source in the article is the AllMusic biography, which is not even used to verify any of the content, and not to mention the article is less than a stub. STATic message me! 07:24, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

You do realize that notability does not rest on (a) whether reliable sources are used to verify content in the article or (b) the article's length? Please re-review the deletion criteria before tagging more articles for speedy deletion. Should I have been a new contributor, I'd be extremely put-off by now—especially because I wouldn't know that the deletion criteria don't hold what you say they do. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 08:25, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I know what I am doing, on quick glance he did not look notable at all and I had no realized he was an international act (that may be why). No reason to not act civil, just expand the articles you make past two sentences, and you won't have this problem in the future. STATic message me! 13:37, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

message

Dr. Dre really is 48 years old -- born February 18, 1965? He has a lot of associated acts. Just saying though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrColonelCortez (talk • contribs) 17:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

RE: Year of the Dragon

The album was released to Google Play as a promotional technique kind of similar to Magna Carta Holy Grail but it wasn't released in stores. It's been stated several times that this is is ninth album but Google Play wanted to release it for free as a promotional technique [3]. Koala15 (talk) 18:45, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech N9ne

I just wanted to let you know that in an interview MTV Hive Tech N9ne stated his next album was indeed titled 'Special Effects'. I don't really know how this whole Wikipedia thing works. Sorry for not doing it right the first time. Thanks. -Mitchell — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitchell McGuire (talk • contribs) 23:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the Switch Up. :)

I thought that "Switch Up" wasn't a single due to the fact that it hasn't charted well and was never serviced to rhythimic, mainstream radio. Sorry :). Please accept my apology.

No worries, as long as a song is sent to just iTunes as single by itself (not just with the pre-order for the album) and still appears on the standard or a widely issued deluxe edition (ie. not one for just Best Buy or Wal Mart) then it is a official single. Otherwise we can call it a promotional single. And not to mention, Sean has said multiple times the song will be on the album, and a music video was shot. We can not just detonate a song a promotional single just because some people didn't think it charted well, and the artist says it wasn't a "single". He released it for retail sale by itself, which makes it a single. STATic message me! 19:22, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Mac Miller: Associated Acts

Instead of deleting my edits with the justification of "uhmm no", which is just downright disrespectful, how about you actually give a reason for your disagreement with my edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Icniv (talk • contribs) 19:03, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

See Template: Infobox musical artist, Earl is not significant to Miller's career as they have only released two songs together. Also you just rearranged them to your own opinion on who he is more associated with. It goes groups he has been apart of first (Ill Spoken), and then the rest are in alphabetical order. STATic message me! 19:10, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Joey Badass

Moved to User:STATicVerseatide/Template:Joey Badass. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 23:45, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! STATic message me! 00:03, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Asher Roth - Rawth(ER)

Hi, why do you think that Nottz' Instagram is not a reliable source for the announcement of the project? L225 (talk) 08:32, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Either provided a reliable source, or link directly to Nottz' instagram/twitter. STATic message me! 15:02, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Machine Gun Kelly Discography

Some people have been editing MGK's discography page as well as the Black Flag (mixtape) page. I fixed the Black Flag page, but the discography page has had so many edits done that I don't feel confident enough to differentiate good edits from misinformed ones. To summarize the edits: People (mostly unregistered users) are changing Black Flag's status from mixtape to studio album. I tried to explain why i reverted the edits in my latest edit of Black Flag so maybe it will b less likely to happen again, but idk. The discography page still needs editing though, so i'll leave that to you bro. Thanks 4 teaching me this stuff earlier so I could fix it now.ThaPhenom (talk) 07:46, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay thanks for letting me know, I got in some work last night, but as I can see they did not come back after that. If there is enough vandalism, then I could get them protected shortly. And no problem dude, always good to help. STATic message me! 16:32, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Waka Flocka Flame

According to Waka Flocka Flame's main facebook page, the Flockaveli 2 promotional cover has both the BSM and Atlantic Records logo on it. And the page is also verified, just so you know. That's why I put Atlantic on there.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jevon Tompkins (talk • contribs)

Waka still owns stake of 1017 Brick Squad and Brick Squad Monopoly is a subsidiary of 1017 Brick Squad which is now distributed by Atlantic Records. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jevon Tompkins (talk • contribs)

The Game

Game is signed to Rolex Records and has left Interscope Records, where's your proof of his current label. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ACBContent (talk • contribs) 21:30, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

See the "Other ventures" section, less than a week ago Rolex Records was renamed "The Firm" due to legal issues with Rolex. And he is in talks with resigning with Interscope, but if you want to move it to former labels that is fine. STATic message me! 21:36, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Where's your proof and if he's in talks he's still not resigned to them. Also what about Rolex Records why did you change that?— Preceding unsigned comment added by ACBContent (talk • contribs)

Can you not read? Rolex Records is now The Firm, which is sourced in the section in the article which I just told you about. And in this interview he says he is having meetings with Interscope about resigning, that is why I said move it to former if you want to. STATic message me! 08:10, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

He's still not signed to Interscope so please move that back to former.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ACBContent (talk • contribs)

But if he released a third single from Jesus Piece it would be released under Interscope not The Firm or any other label. And it is more than likely he will be resigning with them. STATic message me! 05:28, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

When there's proof of that you can do that but for now he's not apart of Interscope, and Jesus Piece was released under Interscope so therefore they'll release the singles from the album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ACBContent (talk • contribs)

So that would imply that he still has a contractual deal with Interscope, but as I said before I will move them to former labels. STATic message me! 00:39, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Reason of deletion of article

I would like to know the reason of deletion of "XO & Co. Inc." It is a established Inc. with copyright and should have be granted a article on wiki.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shubvirk (talk • contribs) 03:36, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

That does not mean it is warranted a Wikipedia article (WP:GNG). The "label" has yet to release a single album, and the founder is the only artist signed to the label. There is also nothing that says the entire labels future acts will be distributed under Republic. STATic message me! 04:18, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Here are some links for the 50 cent

[4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by SaberToothedCat863 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Another artist rename

Over at Talk:30 Seconds to Mars. Cheers! §FreeRangeFrog^croak 00:27, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

To undo edits for me

Hello STATicVerseatide,

I see you revert edits (Karma Chameleon for example) and you did it right because you have restored my correct revision. Is it possible for you to undo other edits for me please ? I need help. Here's the link where all the "current edits" has to be reverted because they've destroyed my improvements. (I can't undo these edits by myself because I will have problems)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.71.52.42 Synthwave.94 (talk) 01:38, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

I am not going to go around and edit war for you, considering all your edits are not correct. I was just correcting the capitalization of "New wave". Some information for you would be that in Wikipedia numbers under 13 are spelled out, never put "st, th, etc" after numbers, and dates should be written Month, Day, Year. Not following that goes against the MoS. STATic message me! 15:51, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Breathe Carolina genre

I think you are wrong, the fact that you don't let me change the genres is ridiculous. First of all, one source is enough to change a genre and second, we are not talking about hip hop. Acording of what you are telling me, we should put Electronic * rock and this is not correct because that is not the genre, the genre is electronic rock and in the same way, electronica is more general and limited. So you should think more about the fact that this is not hip hop, the fact that one VALID source is enough to change the genre and that not necessarily this must have only one or two genres. Thanks. Justasaddream (talk) 10:29, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

One single source is definitely not enough to change the genre in the infobox. I am not telling you we should put Electronic * rock, I have been trimming it to electronic rock this whole time and you seem to agree? Again see Template: Infobox musical artist, there should not be 4-5 genres in the infobox only the genres that most reliable sources refer to them as, which is clearly electronic rock. STATic message me! 15:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

CTE World

I removed it because the ref you cited says nothing about a studio album...also several artists were signed to CTE and didn't have studio albums...also check iTunes, Gibbs and Scrilla both had studio albums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TAMM.CO (talk • contribs) 14:49, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

If you're referring to the roster changes...Wikipedia can email me directly and I will email them the release paperwork for each artists that was sent out in 2012. This is an edit handled by admin not a fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TAMM.CO (talk • contribs) 14:58, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

It is a fact, Gibbs and Scrilla did not release a full length physical studio album while on the label. And if they did add it to the discography. An Admin of what? If you have a COI of CTE World you should not be editing the article. But if they were released provide a reliable source that says they are no longer signed to the label. STATic message me! 15:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Amazon.com

Dude, tons of websites have already reported the track listing like XXL, HipHopDX, Vibe. How are those not reliable you just sound foolish. Koala15 (talk) 17:11, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Alright, but i still can't remember Amazon ever being wrong. Koala15 (talk) 17:18, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Nicki Minaj videography

I currently opened a peer assess for the article Nicki Minaj videography, I was hoping that you could take a look, leave feedback for improvement and contribute to the article where you see it's nessessary. If you can help it would be appreciated. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Nicki_Minaj_videography/archive1 KaneZolanski (talk) 12:03, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Love More charts

I'm confused, but its okay! ChicagoWiz 16:35, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Like an example would be, the Billboard Hot 100 is basically a combination of the Digital and Airplay charts, so if it charted on the Hot 100 we do not list the digital or airplay charts. Just like the Hot R&B Songs chart is a component of the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles chart. If you understand now? STATic message me! 17:11, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh! You were saying if the song has charted on the Hot 100 already, then there is no need for the Digital and Airplay because they're basically "adding up to" the Hot 100! I might've confused you there, but I do understand what you're saying now! ChicagoWiz 22:35, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes that is exactly what I am saying, glad you understand now! STATic message me! 22:37, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Flat lists Don't Look Down

Although I agree the consensus for infobox album is a little muddled, in principle project access agreed that {{flat list}} is more accessible than a standard comma-separated lists. On the basis that I had already added {{flat list}} to Don't Look Down and there is no specific reason for their removal, I've reverted your removal of the template. On the basis that you have removed it because you dislike the template and prefer the way that comma lists look, yet time and effort was made to put the template in place so it shouldnt have been removed. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 21:13, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

The specific removal reason is that at Template talk: Infobox album#Flat lists there is more consensus for using comma separated lists rather than the flatlists. If you want to put your two cents in the discussion there go ahead. But have flatlists goes against the guideline of the template, "list items should be separated by commas." STATic message me! 21:33, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

A template which ignores WP:ACCESS, which is a proven benefit to disabled/less-able sighted readers and an accepted part of Manuel of Style. Just because the template guidance hasn't been updated doesn't mean there's no consensus to use it. The fact is that its inclusion makes no difference to your use of the article but its inclusion vastly improves the experience of others who might be hard of sight. Therefore its exclusion means someone loses out but its inclusion has no impact on users like you or I who are able-sighted. Thus one its in place WP:ACCESS changes should not be reverted. Its called being WP:BOLD and applying logic. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 22:33, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Where is this implemented study that it is a "proven benefit to disabled/less-able sighted readers". It is not just a routine update to be done in every template, and maybe the original discussion needed more basic thought into it. The real fact it that there is zero consensus on the talk page of the template to use it, effectively ignoring the templates guideline that entries are to be separated by commas. The loss is that it does not look very good, and it is harder to edit and put together as you said in your original post. Also, logic has nothing to do with this kind of debate. STATic message me! 22:45, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

If there was no use for the the template then why would the people over that WP:ACCESS create the template and promote its use? Its not harder to edit it makes no difference. As an able sighted reader you simply find the template ugly yet less able sighted readers, particularly those who use screen benefitting technology benefit massively. What you find as "looking ugly" is personal opinion but you are not personally disadvantaged by the inclusion of flat-list whereas someone using screen reader technology benefit from its inclusion. That's where the logic element comes in. (p.s. its already been implemented at {{Infobox single}} so it obviously does have a use) — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 23:49, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I never said it would not be helpful in different areas on the article, such as the tracklist looks good with the flat list. Funny how you claim it to be my "personal opinion" when many other seasoned editors at Template talk: Infobox album are stronger opinionated against them, then me and the consensus is clearly in favor of not including than in that template. Yes I know it was already implemented at Infobox single, but this is a case to case bases on usage in the particular template, which at the time does not include the use of flat lists in its documentation and has no consensus to add them, so they should not be used. STATic message me! 00:23, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Kanye

Great work with Yeezus. Are you planning on getting that to Good status soon, given it's the only album left to make a Kanye West studio albums Good Topic? igordebraga ≠ 02:44, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

I would definitely be happy to take it to GA status, however it is a bit WP:RECENTISM so maybe by years end i'll GAN it. If you could give it any cleanup it would be much appreciated! Or anything you could point out to me that I would need to do to the article before nominating it. STATic message me! 02:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Alchemist

Hey man. FINALLY someone gave Alchemist the picture he needed thank you! But I re-edited it and added back the upcoming projects section. Every one of them is true. Trust me Im a VERY VERY big fan of ALC. I follow him on Twitter with notifications on every Tweet he writs on my iPhone. I know. I even put reference to every thing. Untill now I did ALL of the Alchemist's page a lone. I rebuilt it, added a LOT of writing, wrote ALL the history of his collabs and more. You can look it up in the editing history. Do not come and delete whatever you want just because. It will be much appreciated. --Orr971 (talk) 13:42, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I just searched Wikipedia and it was there. The only reason I removed it as, it is WP:CRYSTALBALLing and unreleased albums are not usually kept in the discography section, and they are already covered in the body of the article. I know they are all true, and I am also a big fan, it is just that they do not need to be included in the summary of his works, till they are actually released. STATic message me! 13:37, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I get it now. But for some reason in this particular article I like to come and see everything, even the upcoming projects. I also like to move an album from the UPCOMING to it's rightful category as soon as it's out... so there is that... Can we just let it stay? --Orr971 (talk) 13:41, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, I guess as long as they all have release dates then they can stay, just in the future do not add albums that do not have release dates to the section. Anything else backed by a reliable source can be mentioned in the article body. I just do not want the section to turn into listing stuff like, "TBA featuring Action Bronson". You know albums they only mention once, but probably will not come for a while. STATic message me! 13:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Got it so I will remove that TBA thing. The other two will come out soon. One has a specific date and the other is about to be released in 2013 soon. And you're right about that list thing... bye man. ADDITION: The Boldy James album HAS a date, So it's there. I deleted the TBA Roc Marci, and added a note there in the Discography section that info about any collab without a date, cane be found in the "Collabs" section. --Orr971 (talk) 14:17, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Green Day

Hey why did you revert me. I was reverting him. He made an edit which was reverted, and instead of starting a discussion, he blatantly continued warring. Im not the one warring and It shouldnt be my place to start the discussion. If he wants the change made, then he should should start the discussion. I and three other people have warned him and told him to start the discussion. Either the page is supposed ti stay as it was while the discussion is going on. BlackDragon 18:13, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Because he is right, the song is not a single and has not received a retail sale release as a single. So unless you have a official reference of a radio, iTunes, or Amazon.com release as a SINGLE, do not add it. You have been told countless times to discuss, and it is time to start a discussion. Maybe 3 people have told him, but around ten have told you to start discussing now. You could have spent the time writing that message, towards leaving a message on Template talk: Green Day. But no you keep reverting. STATic message me! 18:21, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Alchemist - Discography

But what if there will be more upcoming albums with no date. I think that this note Should be there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orr971 (talk • contribs) 21:18, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Then they can have content about them right in the section above, as long as it is backed by reliable sources. Once we have a title and a release date then they can be added to the discography. Maybe if the note was a hidden note, but just to have the big notice there does not look very good. STATic message me! 21:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit Hopsin and Unearth albums

Its not my opinion if you listen to the artists then you will realize why i changed the genres, just because there is no link does not stop what you hear. its not disruptive as there is no pop genre added to a metal band page, Hopsin makes positive, alternative and conscious hip hop that's why i added the genres. In the normal broad term hip hop is referring to radio hip hop and Hopsin is an underground artist. as for Unearth, they are not generally "Metalcore" they have thrash tendencies recently and have a metallic hardcore influence of Hatebreed. they have introspective lyrics that make you think, not what modern Metalcore means now talking about relationships and hearbreak. So why change it back when its clearly heard when you listen to them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Extremevic (talk • contribs) 18:55, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

So where are your reliable sources to support your opinions on the genres of the artists and the albums? Or are you just a WP:GENREWARRIOR? Calling Raw "positive hip hop" is just ridiculous and completely factually untrue. And genres on pages such as Hopsin should just have general genres, not list every subgenre someone thinks they are (Template: Infobox musical artist). STATic message me! 19:01, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

A link for Hopsin? here. And if you don't think "Raw" is positive, then you clearly cant hear. The track "Nocturnal Rainbows" is about being blind to the decay of society and against drug use, that is positive hip hop or Conscious hip hop.

That is very far from a reliable source by Wikipedia standards. You might want to see WP:ALBUM/REVSITE for examples of reliable sources for music. Yes I know the song, but are you now calling songs like "Sag My Pants", or "Kill Her" "positive" or "conscious hip hop". Again if you want to change the genre you need multiple reliable sources that call the album specifically one genre or another. STATic message me! 19:36, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Kid Ink "Money and The Power" Record.

Download" Money and the power" on Itunes. and go to info and you will see " Produced by N4, Ned & Jonathan lauture. "i hold a share of this record" Not sure why my name is not attached. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.82.94 (talk) 06:40, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Unless you have a reliable online source that credits you as a producer of the record, we cannot add it. I started the article and every place I saw just credited N4 and Ned. STATic message me! 13:58, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

What do you need? Who do you need to speak to in order for my credit to remain. I feel like Wikipedia & the ITUNES Download are that strongest source of information regarding my credit. Wikipedia is relying on other blog sites for their information but these blogs sites are missing info like my credit. I can a sure you that it wont be a problem having my name attached because i did produce this record, N4 and Ned know this. I own a Share of this record! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thatproducer (talk • contribs) 21:27, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

It is not mentioned in Wikipedia due to you not being mentioned in reliable sources covering the song. Wikipedia does not rely on blogs so you are wrong, from what it seems from a google search you are not mentioned in a single reliable source such as [5], [6] that discusses the song. We need proof so I know you're not just a fanboy/upcoming producer trying to promote yourself by being on Wikipedia. In no way am I trying to refuse giving you credit, it just needs to be verified in a way other than buying the song. STATic message me! 22:34, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

What would you need. Someone From the Label to contact you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.194.22.132 (talk) 06:38, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Mixtapes

Yo, so why can't I put mixtape articles up here. I've always looked at an artist's discography or whatever, seen that there mixtape doesn't have a page and wished that there was, so that I could see you know like who the producers are, the actual tracklisting. I mean Gucci Mane's comes out with a new mixtape his shit's on here, I don't see why Yelawolf's can't be. And the way I see it, isn't more information better? It's not like I'm deleting important album articles and replacing them with mixtape ones. But it's your call, much love brother.

Alright, I understand now, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChuckT187 (talk • contribs) 16:24, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Evil Dead (2013 film)

"So you made it longer?" isn't exactly as civil as you ask others to be in your "rules," but I will rewrite to keep it under 700 words. It's better to have a coherent synopsis than what was there. Could you please explain why you hadn't tagged it before now? It was too long according to the guidelines as it was then, too.PacificBoy 20:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I added it here and you removed it in your following edit. Also you are wrong again, before you edited it it was 718 words, after you edited it was 916 words, and much too detailed. You might want to read WP:FILMPLOT before continuing to adjust plots on articles. STATic message me! 20:39, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Dude, you won. Take yes for an answer. I said I would rewrite it to get it under 700 and I have. In fact, I had already said that I would when you decided to take me to task for it again. Also, condescending comments like "You might want to read xxx" are also against your own stated rules.PacificBoy 21:32, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey I am just the one following the guidelines made by the MoS. It just needed to be under 700, that is why I added the template so someone would fix it you did not need to take it so personal. WP:AGF next time as I did with you, if I wanted I could have reverted back to the version before you edited but I didn't, because I knew you were improving it. STATic message me! 21:39, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Linkin Park

Hello,
I think you've misunderstood my point. I didn't claim that we should label these band pages as solely "rock". I just thought that your reason for removing the two other genres was the "aim for generality" issue. Thank you. Myxomatosis57 (talk) 18:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

X (Chris Brown album)

Hi, EleventhBlock. I am wondering whether you think it would be okay to remove the date "August 20, 2013" due to the fact that the date is a week away and a cover art and a track listing hasn't been released. Hall of Fame is being released two weeks from today and a track listing and a track listing has been released days ago. Sounds unrealistic.  11Block |talk 22:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

We might want to wait for an official announcement of a push back. Who knows what he is doing, but [7], [8], and [9] from a week ago say the album is coming out on the 20th. After the way promotion was done/or the lack thereof for Yeezus and MCHG anything can happen. STATic message me! 23:02, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request

Hello, I would like to message you in terms of an edit request on the Trap Lord article, the debut album from Asap Ferg. I am requesting if you would be able to add production credits to the track Cocaine Castle on the track list within the article. The song is produced by Subdaio and HighClassFilth. The credits are actually on Twitter you can search them. It would be great if you can do this simple edit. You can look up these two producers on Google etc, they are both accredited and well respected up-comers.

Twitter credits: [10]

I'm hoping to hear a response back from you soon, thanks!

Njdon89 (talk) 02:29, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Whoever that person is, ASAP Ferg does not even follow him and their twitter is not verified so there is no way we can use that as a reliable source for production credits. I just did a google search and found not one reliable source connecting these producers to the track. Do you have anything better than that random tweet? STATic message me! 02:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Here you go: https://soundcloud.com/subdaio/cocaine. Drum pattern was made by Subdaio. The synths were made by HighClassFilth. They both teamed up to work on the production. You can read it in the beat description. Njdon89 (talk) 20:24, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

SoundCloud is user generated and not a reliable source, per the WP:RS guideline. When I say reliable source I mean a magazine, or high quality professional news website. STATic message me! 23:27, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok cool, I guess we will wait til the album releases with the production credits in the booklet. Thanks. Njdon89 (talk) 17:37, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay thanks for understanding the rules. STATic message me! 17:56, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Here is another source, RapGenius is a very reliable source and it is posted here as well, please do take consideration in this because it is not fair for a producer to not receive the credit he or she deserves when they have put their time and effort to it. Thanks. RapGenius: [2] Njdon89 (talk) 17:51, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

RapGenius is user-generated and definitely not a reliable source. And if the producers are credited in the linear notes, the content will be added once the album is released in less than half a week. STATic message me! 18:32, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

LordQuest

Can you please instruct me on how to dispute this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/LordQuest ? I've spent weeks in the US landing placements with major artists for LordQuest he is verified by reliable sources according to Wiki standards why is there any question of deletion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Positivibes (talk • contribs) 04:29, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

If you work for LordQuest, you obviously have a COI and should not be creating or editing his page. As I explained before, just producing for "major" artists does not make him notable as a person, worthy for a biography in an encyclopedia. The way to contest it is just how you were doing it. But I reverted your comment on the page, because you refactored someone elses comment on the page. STATic message me! 07:54, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

UGHH

UGHH is always correct with producer credits it is a retail site that has the albums in advanced and it was correct with all the production credits that were already listed so how could they be wrong. Maybe Chad Hugo produced the song but just isn't credited in the booklet, where else would we ever find a source for these producers anyway until we do we should just keep the info. Koala15 (talk) 17:36, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Is Discogs reliable enough for you? Cause they have the same credits listed right here.Koala15 (talk) 17:43, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Again, UGHH is not a reliable source per WP:ALBUM/SOURCES if you wanna start a discussion on the WP:ALBUM talk page to add it to WP:ALBUM/SOURCES be my guest, and if it is added then we can use it throughout all album articles as a reliable source. I have trouble trusting a retailer where one of its main items for sale it graffiti tools. Always correct? There is definitely not true. We can always wait till the album releases, and use the information that is backed by undeniable reliable sources. Also Discogs is user generated, and just as reliable as IMDB, they probably copied the information from the article anyways. STATic message me! 17:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

We are never gonna get a correct source for the production credits, so what are we just gonna have to trust people that bought the album with adding the credits? I would rather just use the source. Koala15 (talk) 18:00, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

We could, it happens sometimes. Considering the page is protected till November a actual editor would have to add them (I assume someone will buy the album). We already have 90% of the credits backed by reliable sources including newspapers, with only three tracks that have no producers. It is no big deal that it is incomplete if the album is not released yet. I mean UGHH already got "Chum" wrong for sure and I have a feeling "Uncle Al" at least had some production by the The Alchemist judging by the name alone. We should just leave it blank till a reliable source reports those separate songs producers. If you are interested in taking UGHH to the WP:ALBUM talk page, I would love to see if anyone else thinks it meets the reliable source guideline, because I currently do not. STATic message me! 18:16, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Wiz Khalifa discography / Hate Bein' Sober

Thanks for this – I'd been humming and ha-ing about it for a little while, as those were singles all released when that was the primary format that Khalifa released his work in (similar to "Otherside" (Remix) by Macklemore and Ryan Lewis). However, I have one question: was "Hate Bein' Sober" actually a single? I can't find any digital download release, or radio release date, that suggests that it was. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 12:44, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, I hate to see when someone just throws all an artists first few singles in a "promotional singles" section, only because they were just released to iTunes. It's like they expected them to be released to radio when they're signed to an independent label. And with Hate Bein' Sober, it is not in the FMQB archives but for all we know it could have been sent to urban radio, but not many sites report on that. Also maybe Interscope canceled its release after Keef did not show up to the video shoot, or Keef's jail sentence in January. I mean we are not short on sources that call it the third single from Finally Rich or a single. Such as [11], [12], [13], and [14]. STATic message me! 14:42, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Hrm. Interestingly, the Billboard reference is the most recently published of the four: as it says that a release date had not yet been decided, it renders the proclamations in the other, earlier sources that it was destined for a single release a little premature, so perhaps they're not the best sources to determine this point. As in the case of songs like "Pyro" by T.I., websites and magazines often say any new song released by an artist is a "new single" when a single release ends up not happening (I'm still not convinced "Diced Pineapples" was ever a single, as I never found any official release information). Although Billboard have revealed single release dates before, at least in this case they've confirmed that the release actually happened. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 14:57, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I can see that the Billboard source says there was not a official decided radio add date. I have seen a lot of instances where the new leaked/released song is named a "single", but as far as I can tell "Hate Bein Sober" was universally reported as the album's third single. The funny thing about the "Black Skinhead" release is that it never appeared on FMQB, AllAccess, or any of the radio release websites. If Billboard had not reported that we would have never knew it had a release date.Back to HBS, the thing with radio add dates is unless FMQB reports it (and archives it), the information is kind of lost to never be found. For all we know it could have been posted by AllAccess or Frequency and someone missed it. There is also His latest single, The G-Unit general made a cameo on the recent Keef single "Hate Bein' Sober,", new single “Hate Bein Sober” that are even more recent then the Billboard source. STATic message me! 18:28, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

What I find quite confusing is that some radio release dates only appear on one or two of the sites mentioned above, when you'd think each one would pick them up (being an official radio airplay tracker). Actually, Radio & Records (which shut down as a magazine in 2009 but still tracks release dates) does use an archiveable system which is easy to search, but (ironically) they pick up fewer dates than any of the other sites. I can't find anything there, either. "Might have missed it" is not a decent justification to suggest it may have been sent to radio: I agree it well could have happened but if we don't have a reference, we don't have proof of a release. I tend to discount anything simply saying "new single" without any backing claim as publications, as I alluded to above, often incorrectly use the phrase to describe any new song that appears online. However, seeing as these are reliable sources that have widely made this claim, as you say, I'm not that inclined to be bold and revert it to being just a song: until one of us finds more decisive proof that it was absolutely and clearly not a single. Put it this way: should someone attempt to expand the article to GA status there is no way it could be shown as a single, but as that's not currently the case the search for a proper ref can remain ongoing before we make any changes ourselves.

(It's just occurred to me how odd it is how we're both spending all this time debating over one tiny aspect of a moderately well-known song when there are far more important articles on more widely discussed encyclopedic topics that could use our care and attention. But I just don't have the motivation...) I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:21, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

PartyNextDoor

Thanks for correcting the article for PartyNextDoor, I didn't have time to finish it. I need to make an article for the self-titled mixtape as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jevon Tompkins (talk • contribs)

Vandal warning

This should really warrant a much stronger warning. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:39, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

My mistake, it was only his first edit that is why I only used the uw1 template. If he had made another edit or two like that, I would have quickly taken him to WP:AIV as a vandalism only account. STATic message me! 20:20, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

No worries at all, my friend. :) If you see someone write something really horrible, feel free to jump to the higher levels. What he wrote was definitely a "two strikes and you're out" situation. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:29, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I now see that he had vandalized the page again after I had reverted him. If I was online at the time I would have definitely reported him after seeing that. STATic message me! 20:45, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Indeed. I clicked his contribs a few times here and there to see if he'd persist. When I saw the second edit I blocked him on the spot. Pretty deplorable stuff he wrote. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:52, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Well that is the privilege of being an Administrator, or I would have immediately blocked him too. My favorite part was "He begun his career after fingering cats and young boys"... Sometimes the vandals make me lose faith in the future of humanity lol. STATic message me! 21:14, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Take it from Marvin the Paranoid Android, humanity has no future.

Jupiter says to Earth: "You look sick." Earth says "Yeah. I've got a bad case of humans." Jupiter says: "Don't worry. It won't last long." Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:38, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Ahaha nice reference, I had almost forgot about The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy I need to watch the movie again. :) STATic message me! 21:56, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

DMX Rapper

I saw you edits and edit comments and I had all the facts I just wasn't sure how to word it properly so it would sound right and not copy the source info, but next time I will include all the facts. Casey.Grim85 (talk) 21:16, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Your edit implied that the marijuana was found in his possession, that he was immediately guilty of the crime, and that he was the driver of the vehicle. Those are two major incorrect statements that completely twisted what really occurred. Keep in mind when editing sections such as legal issues anything stretching the truth or false, could be seen as a major WP:BLP violation and land you in hot water. Just take extra care next time. STATic message me! 21:30, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

TDPDH subgenres

If you are that much pinpoint then nowhere you'll find a professional reviewer stating "this is a stoner rock record" because that sounds very much inane and amateurish. And the latter review (of themusic.co.au) clearly states in the concluding passages that, "call it hard rock or sludge metal what you want.....". --Shallowmead077 (talk) 07:29, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

That indicates the musical styles of the album, which can be mentioned in the article. That does not imply that they are the genres of the album, not to mention subgenres should not normally be used in the infobox lets be general like we are supposed to be. We do not need to crowd up the infobox with minor subgenres that one reviewer compares their sound to. The way it is now is just fine. STATic message me! 17:06, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Rob Van Dam

My source is simple by watching Monday Night Raw and visiting WWE.Com it states that Ricardo Rodriguez is Rob Van Dam's new manager so I placed Ricardo Rodriguez under the correct section on Van Dam's page maybe instead of changing my edit you could take the time yourself to see if what I did was correct since you seem on making the decision on what I edited was incorrect JMichael22 (talk) 01:35, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia must always be verified, you might want to see WP:V and choose to add a reliable source before readding the content. It is the job of the person the adds the content to verify it, not for me to investigate and see if it is right. To avoid making this mistake in the future always cite your sources. STATic message me! 01:50, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Ramaj Eroc

Recently this article was nominated for deletion (as its indicated on the creators talk page). I added a reference to it, and I think its good to go now. If not, ping me and I will be happy to look for more references, although music is not my strength (at least not this type of genre).--Mishae (talk) 00:38, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

He does not look that notable at all, I think I am going to nominate the article for A7 speedy deletion, but it might survive due to the MTV bio. But I see nothing notable in a google search, and google news turns up nothing. Lets see what an administrator thinks. STATic message me! 01:19, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

M.O..

I left a detailed message at User_talk:Koala15#Album_notability demonstrating my point. → Lil-℧niquԐ 1 - { Talk } - 23:47, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes I saw it, that is why I restored the redirect. When I actually reviewed the article more I clearly see why you had redirected it. Bold change, but ultimately makes sense. Sorry for the confusion from the revert. STATic message me! 23:49, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

It's ok. Koala15 is a good editor on the whole. I think he/she doesn't realise there are notability criteria long established before either of us joined wiki. → Lil-℧niquԐ 1 - { Talk } - 00:01, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Mhhm. Yeah and I would like to make amends for not being civil enough in our previous discussion, and do not want there to be any hard feelings between us. As the veterans in the music area of Wikipedia we should try to stay on the same page and work together :). STATic message me! 00:19, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

big sean hall of fame

there's absolutely no reason to have to cite the fact that Roscoe Dash in on the song "it's time"

listen to the song and you'll hear he's on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.23.68 (talk) 23:46, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes we do, see WP:V and WP:NOR. We need a reliable source that reported him having vocals on the song. STATic message me! 23:54, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

How are you going to deny Roscoe Dash's vocals on the song, when they can be CLEARLY heard. Again I say, listen to the song. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsaroce (talk • contribs) 04:11, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I could listen the song a million times, it does not change WP:V. If I had not reverted it, someone else would have removed it. Not only we need a source for him being on the song at all, we need a source that he is credited in the album booklet as having vocals on the song. I mean look at Cruel Summer his vocals were not credited at all. So unless you have a reliable source crediting that he has an appearance on the song, it can not be on the article. STATic message me! 04:19, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

MrColonelCortez

Big Sean's page says "Kanye West" why is that there? Please tell me that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrColonelCortez (talk • contribs) 02:43, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Snoop Dog

Hi, thank you for editing my edit on Snoop Dog page.
Like I said BMI^[15] and my other websites lists his first name as Cordozar while others, like IMDb, list him as Broadus. Although IMDb^[16] also lists his grandparent as Cordozar Calvin Broadus Sr., making Snoop's first name Cordozar.

Your comment was «BMI lists last name then first name.»
Songwriter/Composer: BROADUS (last name) CORDOZAR (first name) CALVIN (middle name)
Current Affiliation: BMI
CAE/IPI #: 280557260

Tell me your thoughts. :)
Filipe Barros 17:19, 26 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkfreakxx7 (talk • contribs)

Lets use reliable third party sources instead, Bio, The Smoking Gun, TIME and Yahoo! all cite his first name as Calvin. I think you are just confused reading BMI and IMDB is not a reliable source. STATic message me! 18:11, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Stay Trippy

yeah you're probably right, maybe "Having Sex" was just on one of his mixtapes... but the CDQ of "One Thousand" and "Having Sex" are out, so why'd you remove the official times? Distortiondude (talk) 00:19, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

My mistake for removing the track times, my revert was focused on the producer credit. And I did check, that DJ does not produce records like that, he just hosted the tape. STATic message me! 00:22, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Berzerk (song)

meet me at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Berzerk_.28song.29_brewing_edit_war.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:19, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Please respond at my talk.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:29, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Survival

There is no reliable source that says "Survival" is on The Marshall Mathers LP 2. Neither Eminem or his label have confirmed that song to be on the album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bananasownapple (talk • contribs) 21:45, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Um, ABC News and The Detroit Free Press among others reported the song is from the album. Explain to me how those are not undeniable reliable sources. So unless a reliable source that reports the song is not on the album, then it will stay for the time being. STATic message me! 21:56, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Z-Ro Editing

Hello, Static the reason why I've edited the label, instruments, and website information is because I've researched that information. His album booklet contains the name of the record company the album is under. Also, he produces his own music from time to time, which was also confirmed in his album booklets and he even spoke about producing his own music in interviews on YouTube. Lastly, that wasn't my Facebook information, that is his Facebook. He has his Instagram and Twitter linked to his Facebook profile. So, when he tweets from his verified profile on Twitter, it is posted on his Facebook wall. Also, an in an interview, he said that his Facebook name was, at the time, Rother Vandross, but it has changed since then. I'm friends with him on Facebook and I also follow him on Twitter. I am not a vandal, I'm just editing the page with current and legitimate information because he is one of my favorite artists. Thanks and have a blessed day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RodneyP43 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

My mistake then, I assumed you were attempting to promote yourself, your label or something. But if his FaceBook is not a verified account we can not link to it, for what should be understandable reasons. Go ahead and add the record labels back, and record producer back though. STATic message me! 02:34, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

SGP

Pardon me? I have every right to change age, as SpaceGhostPurpp thanked me individually for it. I think you do not realize how serious I am about wikipedia, I wake up and I brush my teeth reading an article on the toothbrush, I get changed looking at an article on clothes.. You don't understand.. This website birthed me, and I'm doing everything in my right to keep it from vandals. The information is correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Staplemaverick (talk • contribs) 04:49, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

In regards to Same Love.

I believe you are mistaken. I did not add any content of any kind to the article, I actually deleted a statement that was not in accordance with Wikipedia's Assume good faith behavioral guidelines. I do understand the mistake however and forgive you for it. Thank you for your time.