Talk:Xbox One

Backwards compatibility

This article's floating around. This isn't exactly confirmation that it will be a thing, but it does somewhat leave the question open. With so many news items starting as leaks and rumors, it wouldn't surprise me if this really is how it's done. E3 is in a couple months, so maybe more then. Zero Serenity (talk) 17:49, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Well I'm speaking out of turn. It's been injected into the article with this reference. Again, vigilance would be nice. Zero Serenity (talk) 17:54, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

It is pure speculation. Just because a system "can" doesn't mean it "does", and not only that, but its pretty much just PR at the moment. No real plans are in place, they are just researching it. Rilech (talk) 22:11, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Which is why I stressed vigilance. It would be good to keep an eye on if/when this develops. Hopefully now that this article is under semi-protection for an entire blippin' year we can work on it instead of having to bat vandalism constantly. Zero Serenity (talk) 18:53, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely. It really should have never came off protection. Rilech (talk) 21:55, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Aka Xbone

There is currently disagreement over whether or not the term "Xbone" should be included in the AKA field in the infobox. [This is the reference that was used to support the inclusion; Zero Serenity noted that "the reference says Microsoft will NOT be using that name." Comments on whether or not the nickname should be included? --ThomasO1989 (talk) 03:39, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely not. It was a degrogatory term used back on the unit's introduction for how bad its specs were, but not a term used today in professional circles. --MASEM (t) 03:44, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

It should definitely not be included in the article. As noted above, it was a very childish word used to describe the console, and it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article, and that is coming from a lifelong PlayStation fan. Rilech (talk) 04:20, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Note: I did add X1, however. It belongs there. It is the most commonly used abb of the Xbox One I have seen. Rilech (talk) 04:22, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Despite whether or not Microsoft likes the term, the 'Xbone' nickname is known to the same, if not more people than Xone or X1. Here is supporting link: http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/10/04/microsoft-resigns-itself-to-xbone-nickname . In the IGN reference it says "Microsoft has acknowledged that the Xbox One's "Xbone" nickname is probably here to stay. Microsoft Studios head Phil Spencer admitted that while he didn't think the company would be embracing the moniker for advertising campaigns and the like, he's accepted it isn't going anywhere." Microsoft also bought the domain name xbone.com. Markpb91 (talk) 06:41, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

My position is obvious. But let me say that it's use has dropped off not only in professional but non-professional circles. Most people I know tend to just use it's full name anyway with folks at my local game store tend to call it X One. Zero Serenity (talk) 11:04, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely not. There was a clear consensus against this the last time it was brought up, and there clearly is now as well. Not every "nickname" needs to be listed in the lead or infobox, especially unofficial ones. The identification just isn't practical, it's not like there's a single person who would be confused because they didn't know what a "Xbox One" was until someone explained its the same thing as a "Xbone". (Opposed to the PS4, which is such a common abbreviation of the PlayStation 4 that the listing is actually helpful to the reader. Sergecross73 msg me 13:00, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Remove AKA names or include Xbone - Don't just exclude it because you don't like it. It's the only nickname to receive any official response, you can reference it.[1][2] The current AKA names are as unofficial and have less to back it up. Including those and excluding Xbone smacks of paternalistic censorship or supine corporate service. - hahnchen 01:40, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

It's not a nickname used in professional sources. If there was a different name that the Xbox One was known by in professional sources akin to how the PS4 is a professional standard for the PlayStation 4, then we'd used that as the AKA. But if the nick is not a professionally established, commonly used nick, then it shouldn't be included, though in this unique case, it is mentioned down below. Let's put it this way - no one uses the Xbone moniker to refer to the console any more in reliable sources, so it's not an AKA. --MASEM (t) 01:48, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Since when does AKA specify professional sources only? Have you just invented this standard for this instance? Because I posted professional sources saying "The Xbox One is also known as the Xbone". If you do a Google News search for X1, Xone or Xbone, you get the same kind of response. Articles such as Everton F.C. and other sports teams contain non-professional nicknames, Template:Infobox information appliance just states for the AKA field "device nickname", which Xbone undoubtedly is. I don't mind if no AKAs are listed, but this smacks of hypocrisy. - hahnchen 03:00, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay, here's what I'm seeing. "XBOne" is used in RS, but not "Xbone" or "XBone" (which is more used by non-RS sites or in forums). Note the difference in spelling. I would support "XBOne" to be included, but not any other spelling. --MASEM (t) 03:08, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

There is no difference in spelling, just your weird capitalisation. All the sources I've linked just refer to it as Xbone. As recently as March, Techcrunch still referred to it as Xbone.[3] But my argument isn't even a synthesis of passing mentions, it's that "Xbone", not "XBOne" is the subject of reliable sources. - hahnchen 13:22, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

"XBOne" is clearly an acronym of "XBox One", while "Xbone" is emphasizing "X Bone(r)", the degratory name. Particularly in this case, we would definitely want to see a wider usage of "Xbone" (with that casing) in a professional, non-derogatory manner across multiple sources. We can show that for X1 or XOne, but not "Xbone", and barely for "XBOne". --MASEM (t) 13:45, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Why does it matter at all what the reasons for the nickname are, and who are you to police it? I've shown numerous reliable sources, some which actually make "Xbone" the subject of the article. And you are placing your own arbitrary ILIKEIT criteria ahead of those. - hahnchen 15:53, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Not a single person so far has cited "not liking it" as a reason for removing it... Sergecross73 msg me 02:39, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

If you believe that "It was a degrogatory term" matters in the slightest, I might jump at a conclusion. Serge, in the original discussion, you claimed that it had nothing to do with whether you liked it, but then immediately followed up with a value judgement, "We don't need disparaging unofficial nicknames like this". Nothing to do with sources, nothing to do with it actually being a nickname. - hahnchen 03:00, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Would you reel yourself back into reality here? It's a fan-coined term based off the concept of an erection. How the hell do you reconcile that with "encyclopedic"? Sergecross73 msg me 03:20, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

The fact of the matter is that Xbone is derogatory and is meant to make fun of the X1. That ALONE disenchants its value in an encyclopedia article, which should remain objective. At its very heart, using Xbone would violate WP:NPOV as it is a derogatory term used to diminish the X1. For instance, Macintosh computers are referred to as Macintrash by a lot of Windows users, but do you want to go into the Macintosh article and try and add that term? NO, because it is childish and does not belong in an article used to provide MEANINGFUL information to a subject. Rilech (talk) 04:03, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

NPOV is reporting what our sources say, not excluding them based on value judgements. Being encyclopedic is reporting what our sources say, not excluding them based on value judgements. I can come up with multiple reliable sources, including from Microsoft that accept the Xbone is a nickname for Xbox One, [4][5][6]. All these sources came after the June 2013 discussion, which was then used to shut down further debate. You can accept or reject the AKA field, but your arbitrary criteria for keeping out a legitimate sourced nickname is kind of pathetic. - hahnchen 13:22, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

As Hahnchen said, with a reference from Micosoft themselves accepting the term, either the AKA field must go, or Xbone be accepted as a nickname. Markpb91 (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

There's a lot of terms we call the other consoles that we don't use as AKA terms. Even those articles note the name exists but they don't plan to use it as marketing, which is what our AKA should be reserved for, how the company markets the units. And reserving "xbone.com" could mean they're preparing to use "XBOne" as a name (since domain names are case insensitive). --MASEM (t) 16:01, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

I have to disagree. WP:NPOV says very specifically, articles should not take sides, it doesn't say "unless it is backed by reliable sources". There are reliable sources that say a lot of criticisms about a lot of subjects, but they don't belong in the main infobox of an article. Like I said, articles must NOT take sides, especially in infoboxes and lead sections. Rilech (talk) 19:31, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Also, I don't want you thinking I disagree with the fact that Xbone is a nickname for the Xbox One. It is, your sources prove that. I just don't think it belongs in an infobox or lead section for the same reason things like "Macintrash", "IndieStation", and others aren't. It is just unprofessional and unencyclopedic. They are derogatory and in my opinion they violate WP:NPOV, not to mention how childish of names they are. Rilech (talk) 19:38, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

At the same time, we're not supposed to give a specific fringe view any undue weight. We also do need to be careful of name-calling when it is inappropriate. We don't regularly call MS "Micro$oft", since that's derogatory despite the fact that's easily sourced; but the term is described in the criticism of the company, just like we use "Xbone" in the criticism of this unit. And the lack of a good number of RS using "Xbone" (that casing) is another reason to stay away from it as an "official" AKA term. --MASEM (t) 19:43, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

There is no "AKA" field for Microsoft. There is no AKA field where you've entered less well-sourced alternative nicknames for Microsoft, yet hold one that could be construed as derogatory to an arbitrary higher standard. Unlike the Macintrash or IndieStation, I can point to reliable sources which discuss Xbone as the primary subject; http://macintrash.com is for sale, http://xone.com is for sale, http://xbone.com is owned my Microsoft. Censoring the only nickname which has this kind of referencing, because Wikipedians feel that they are better qualified than reliable secondary sources (and even primary sources - Microsoft itself) is hubris. It's not about regularly calling it the Xbone, but placing it alongside the other nicknames. Is it a nickname? Yes. Can we provide reliable secondary sources stating so? Yes. Do we need any kind of Wikipedian synthesis? No. - hahnchen 01:39, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Under the WP:NPOV there is a section that says 'aviod stating facts as opinions' you have agreed that Xbone is a nickname for the Xbox one, but it is your opinion not to include it. I just feel that it's a double stardard, but don't care enough to argue further. Markpb91 (talk) 23:58, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

What opinion are you referring to? I have only said that Xbone is a nickname which has been proven by those sources and that it is a derogatory term which is not simply my opinion but the general consensus of everyone, including MS in those sources. A derogatory nickname does not belong in the official AKA field and IS in violation of NPOV. Rilech (talk) 01:25, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

NPOV means reporting what our sources say, which in this case are reliable secondary sources which you agree with. Rebecca Black's Friday is described as "the worst song ever" in her lead, as it should be. Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing is described as "one of the worst video games of all time" in its lead. Wikipedia follows sourcing, NPOV is not Major Nelson's company line. - hahnchen 01:49, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Now THAT is a sold argument, sir. Rilech (talk) 01:51, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

My primary argument would still be it being derogatory and a bit vulgar for the AKA field. That being said I am not completely against axing the whole field. Good point though, Hahnchen. Rilech (talk) 01:55, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

(side comment) I don't really care about the Xbox One or the inclusion of an AKA field. My motivation here is the same reason as expressed at Template_talk:Mario_franchise/Archive_1#Unofficial_games - there I argued for the inclusion of Super Hornio Brothers as part of the unofficial spinoffs at Template:Mario_franchise, which was omitted despite the inclusion of every other piece of unlicensed media. It was to call out hypocritical standards. - hahnchen 02:07, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

In both examples were those works "intended" to be the worst? No - and as such we don't officially call them the "worst". But we do, in the appropriate reception sections, discuss how others called these. Similarly, MS has not set any official policy that "Xbone" is an intended name compared to Xbox One, X1, or XOne, but we are fair to call out that the initial problems with the unit's reveal made "Xbone" a bad name it was given. The info box should be left to what is official and/or near universe, not just any name that happens to come along. --MASEM (t) 01:59, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

See that is my main problem. Like I said I don't mind it in the article. Just not in the infobox. Rilech (talk) 02:02, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree with this as well. Keep the infobox to the official nicknames and abbreviations. Sergecross73 msg me 02:06, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

"Official policy" is a hurdle you've just invented. XOne or X1 are just as unofficial as the Xbone, here are Microsoft's brand guidelines[7]. Out of all three, only one has reliable secondary sources which directly address it as the subject. Out of all three, only one does not require your Wikipedian synthesis of passing mentions and amateur statistical analysis. Yet out of all three, it is the only one which you argue vehemently against. - hahnchen 02:07, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

For the record, I don't oppose removing all of them. I don't find the other ones especially helpful to the reader either. Sergecross73 msg me 02:09, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I support removing the entire field as well. Markpb91 (talk) 02:22, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

i agree and neither the WiiU nor PS4 have that field. I think it is best to just axe it. Rilech (talk) 02:25, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

China release

Apparently Xbox One will be the first Xbox console to be officially and legally released in China. Prior to this year, all videogame consoles were banned under an "anti-gaming addiction" law, and most consoles had to be imported on the black market at overvalued prices from Hong Kong and Japan.

• It’s finally official: Xbox One to hit China in September
• Xbox One officially coming to China via Shanghai's Free Trade Zone

Hopefully there are more sources out there on this. --benlisquare_T•C•E 08:42, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

And...done. Tell me if I got anything wrong. Zero Serenity (talk) 13:21, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Looks good from here. --benlisquare_T•C•E 13:52, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

"First console released in China"

Earlier today, Sony announced their intent to bring the PS4 to China. I have changed the sentence in the lead reading "First international console to release in China" to "First Xbox console to release in China" because this is simply no longer known (WP:CRYSTAL). Feel free to give any input, but until official dates are announced for both of these releases, we do not know which will release there first. While MSFT is still preparing the TV features before their release in China, Sony could really launch in China next week if they wanted to, as the announcement sounded very urgent. Chambr (talk) 03:25, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

External Hard Drive Support

I'm suprised that there is still no mention in this article of support for external HDDs on Xbox One. The update that went live on June 3, 2014 makes this possible. This explains how on Xbox.com. Since I can't edit the article, I'm just going to leave this here. I also made a mention on this page as well since that needs to be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.149.52.125 (talk) 07:23, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Taken care of. I need a reference for it but it's been changed. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 12:50, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Forgive my ignorance, but how is the link I provided not enough? The page flat out explains how to set up an external hard drive on the Xbox One, therefore that does say that it does support external drives. So I do fail to see how that isn't enough. However, here's something else from Xbox.com that flat out describes the Xbox One's support for external storage beginning with the June 3, 2014 update. I'm not sure why the first link wasn't enough though.

We tend to shy away from using primary sources and help articles. For more information, have a read at WP:PS. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 17:39, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

SERIOUSLY? You won't take a direct source? Wow, that seems to be highly hypocritical since I see it all over the place. Two references here go straight to Xbox.com and another goes to Major Nelson's personal blog. So if those two work, then why not mine?

Since that isn't enough, here are FIVE articles, one from IGN, two from Kotaku, and two from GameSpot telling about the external hard drive support. Pick whichever one you feel is the most appropriate then since apparently nothing provided is good enough.

IGN

Kotaku 1

Kotaku 2

GameSpot 1

GameSpot 2

The things you get for trying to help...

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2014

Several testers have revealed that Xbox ONE gets additional 10% performance boost if the kinect is disconected or removed. Mon.mukherjee (talk) 17:39, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

This I believe is effectively covered in the announcement about the kinect-less SKUs, that even MS said the extra power can go to games now. --MASEM (t) 17:50, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree that this is covered. I'll close this up. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 18:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)