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Source for "ex-wife"

The article links to his Facebook profile as a source for naming Debra his "ex-wife", but that profile is not public (except, I suppose, to his Facebook friends). Is this a useful source, then? -- pne (talk) 21:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if it counts as a RS, but merely not being public is not enough. There are plenty of archives and libraries and collections which might be available 'on request to accredited historians'; accredited historians are a restricted subset in the same way Facebook friends are, if you follow my analogy. --Gwern (contribs) 01:09 31 December 2008 (GMT)

Since 2010

What has Murdock been doing since leaving Sun in 2010? He does not appear to have updated his blog since 2009. Does he participate in or comment on the development of Debian these days? Is there something else he's working on? Credulity (talk) 16:59, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Family origin

Why does he have an English name if he is German? --Error (talk) 21:00, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Debian 0.91 installer says "(yes, I'm a Yank :)". Murdock blogged about his father. Ian Murdock and his sister were born in Germany because his father worked at the University of Konstanz.[1] (An article could be written with that curriculum.) 84.127.80.114 (talk) 17:42, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2015

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<ref name=Debian>Lopez, Ana Guerrero; Norwood, Donald; Tagliamonte, Paul (30 December 2015). "Debian mourns the passing of Ian Murdock". Bits from Debian. Retrieved 30 December 2015.</ref>

should be:

<ref name=Debian>Guerrero Lopez, Ana; Norwood, Donald; Tagliamonte, Paul (30 December 2015). "Debian mourns the passing of Ian Murdock". Bits from Debian. Retrieved 30 December 2015.</ref>

following Spanish naming customs.

Isbilia (talk) 22:40, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Updated. Thanks! --PhiLiP (talk) 23:25, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Last twitter posts

Here's a webscreenshot of Murdock's last twitter posts before his death: https://archive.is/OPlI7 His twitter account was promptly removed a few hours later.Goren (talk) 23:39, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is quite evident to me that someone else impersonated/took over the account with incoherent statements such as a derogatory term for people with a dark skin. That simply did not fit to Ian, not even if he'd be drunk. 2A02:8388:1600:A880:BE5F:F4FF:FECD:7CB2 (talk) 00:43, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd agree that it seems very out of character, however I've added a citation needed for the part about dispute around who was in control of the account - the sources present are 1) a capture of the tweets themselves, and 2) discussion and mention of them which seems to assume he was. Neither posits he was not in control of the account at the time, and we should absolutely avoid OR and personal beliefs. ReidE96 (talk) 01:06, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Considering the account in the archive.is link is clearly Ian's, it was not an impersonation. Just to clear that up. Whether he was in control of the account we cannot say, although someone else using his account after his death is a rather grim thought as well. --188.174.171.65 (talk) 03:14, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

with regard to his twitter not being under his own control, with no citation and after googling i could find no reference on any news source. just sounds like someones ridiculous conspiracy theory to me so have removed it for now. if a reference can be found for it id be more than happy to put it back but until its found at a reliable source i think its best left out. Nosdan (talk) 04:59, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not Suicide

Devil's Breath could be involved in his death. Too early to with his rant very Off-Character. This looks like a homicide regardless of officially pursued direction.

Murdock's twitter clearly indicated that his life was in danger. "suicide" is too extrapolated merely because 1 medium stated something and another few have speculated based on this one communication. 2607:FB90:246B:13A9:764C:FFB0:CBDC:EFCC (talk) 03:16, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is NOT the forum to speculate, propose, investigate or assert ideas not derived directly from reliable sources. none of this material on him, or the circumstances of his death, will go into the article until its public knowledge. And, it may never be public, if its kept as a family matter, which in some circumstances can happen.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:01, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In his twitter he explicitly stated stated that he'd changed his mind about committing suicide (5:30 pm tweet) and then that he was going to instead dedicate the rest of his life to fight against police brutality (6:42 pm; the sad irony of situation is that he kind of did). His last tweet was from 7:12 pm and there was no mention of suicide intentions until then. This is all we can say based on the concrete source, everything on top of this would be speculation.--Goren (talk) 10:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely NOT the forum to speculate, propose, investigate or assert ideas not derived directly from reliable sources such as the idea that Murdock was suicidal given a couple tweets sent out in his name. The article claims that there are no publicly available archives of his tweets, however, and this isn't true.. https://archive.is/OPlI7 . His twitter pretty clearly indicates he felt his life was in danger by user "@jackstormwriter" 2607:FB90:7C5:48E4:65D9:1D2:5778:2A57 (talk) 20:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Please change "but his Twitter account declared an intention to commit suicide, and described violent encounters with police" to "but his last tweets described violent encounters with police. According to him a policewoman allegedly tried to pull down his underwear, and the police beat him up twice, the second time being near to his house."^[1] TheDefiant1 (talk) 06:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst there's clear sources for the wording, I'm hesitant to make this edit in full as the additional sentence ("According...house") seems WP:UNDUE - it simply restates the tweets more or less verbatim, and the source is a blog akin to an op-ed rather than a news article. In other words, I'm not sure what it would really add to the article. I've changed "his Twitter account" to "his last tweets" as that's certainly better wording. ReidE96 (talk) 07:40, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But the current info in the Wiki page is wrong. His tweets doesn't declare his intentions to commit suicide. Thats why I made the edit. Also I added the bit about police beating him up and the policewoman issue. TheDefiant1 (talk) 07:56, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

One of the first tweets declared exactly that intent [clicky]. As for the police brutality and sexual assault, that's the part where I can't see what it adds to the article at this time. If additional information comes to light that says (for example) he was killed during a police raid they would have obvious relevance, but we shouldn't be including things "just because" - we already mention that they "[describe] violent encounters with police". ReidE96 (talk) 08:44, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What's your angle Reid? One tweet claimed an intent to suicide, but many more said he felt threatened by "@jackstormwriter" and more recent tweets indicated he would dedicate the rest of his life to fighting police brutality. Mentioning his being suicidal alone, is a problem in that ideas are asserted without their full context. These tweets by "@jackstormwriter" are certainly worth referencing since he clearly threatened Murdock ("Remember the first thing they told you, right to remain silent. You done broke the rules. heehee jailhouse virgin") https://archive.is/KTesC . I saw somewhere a link showing Murdock being released from a prison shortly before his death as well. 2607:FB90:7C5:48E4:65D9:1D2:5778:2A57 (talk) 20:20, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Ian Murdock – A victim of police brutality?". TechTuft. Retrieved 31 December 2015. {{cite web}}: External link in |ref= (help)

[1] "Ian Murdock – A victim of police brutality?". TechTuft. Retrieved 31 December 2015. {{cite web}}: External link in |ref= (help)

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