Talk:Paul Ryan

54th or 62nd?

Wikipedia has Speaker Ryan listed as the 62nd Speaker of the House. But the Associated Press is reporting him as the 54th Speaker. The Armchair General (talk)

It appears they don't count speakers (who've served non-consecutive terms) more then once. GoodDay (talk) 20:39, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Should that differentiation be noted in the article, or is that too nit-picky? The Armchair General (talk) 20:51, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

IMHO, if the major sources are counting the speakers that way (individual only), then we should abide by it. If given the word, I'll easily change the numbering of all of them. GoodDay (talk) 21:18, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Personally, I think it should be changed! But, I'm still new to wiki-editing and think someone with a bit more tenure than me should perhaps make that decision. The Armchair General (talk) 02:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

I went ahead & fixed the numbering at Speaker of the United States House of Representatives article, FWIW. GoodDay (talk) 18:31, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

According to House.gov, he is the 54th. He himself is the 54th speaker, while the office he holds is the 62nd Speakership. -TheCaliforniaKansan (talk) 20:05, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

I've corrected the numbering in all the bio articles of the Speakers. GoodDay (talk) 21:12, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

If we've done this renumbering for Speaker Ryan, shouldn't we do the same for President Obama? Due to President Cleveland's non-consecutive terms, Obama is the 43rd person to be President of the United States... Do you see what I mean? -TheCaliforniaKansan (talk) 18:28, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Nope. GoodDay (talk) 01:01, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

... Just as with the Speaker of the House position... there have been 54 people who have been speakers, but 62 positions. This is the same with the US Presidency; there have been 43 total men who have held the office, but 44 positions total. Just as Henry Clay had non-consecutive terms as Speaker of the House, Grover Cleveland had non-consecutive terms as POTUS. I can't be any more clear. -TheCaliforniaKansan (talk) 16:07, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

That's not how the House speakers are numbered though, according to reliable sources. The sources have Ryan as the 54th Speaker, thus the speakers who've served non-consectutive tenures, are numbered only once. GoodDay (talk) 22:53, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Award Update

Paul Ryan received the Manhattan Institute's Alexander Hamilton Award in 2014. Appropriate section should be updated to reflect this. ArsDiscipulus (talk) 16:22, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect choice of words: "reticence" vs. "reluctance"

In the section labeled "Elections," the last line refers to Sarah Palin's endorsement of a Ryan opponent because of Ryan's "reticence to endorse Donald Trump...." The writer should have used the word "reluctance" here. "Reticence" means unwillingness to freely reveal one's thoughts or feelings. "Reluctance" means unwillingness to perform an action. Since there is a specific action identified - that of endorsing a candidate - the correct word to use is "reluctance". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:8A02:5A00:F47D:43E6:9334:6519 (talk) 14:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2016

While Paul Ryan stated that Donald Trump is racist during Trump's campaign for President, Ryan himself has also been accused of being racist by CNN's Jeffrey Lord, noted the Huffington Post.[1]

Surprisingly, for Ryan, that is not the first time that he has been accused of racism in the past. And there seems to be some substance to such claims, according to various reports.

In 2012, Ryan started a scandal when he reportedly referred to "Judeo-Christian values," reported Buzzfeed.[2] The concept here is that other faiths lack values--or not the values espoused by 'real' Americans such as Ryan.

Not too long thereafter, Newsone reported that Ryan again made some racist comments about "inner-city" people, referring to such as just plain "lazy." Whites certainly don't fill up the inner-cities, so there is little question to whom he referred. Newsone noted:

"Ryan went on to cite the work of Charles Murray, a conservative social scientist who believes Blacks collectively are less intelligent than Whites due to genetic differences. As outlined by Think Progress, Murray believes poverty remains a problem given 'a lot of poor people are born lazy.'"[3]

Politico ran an article, which echoed many people's sentiments at the time, headlined, "Is Paul Ryan Racist?" The article cites Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA), who decried Ryan's comments as 'a thinly veiled racial attack.... [W]hen Mr. Ryan says 'inner city,' when he says, 'culture,' these are simply code words for what he really means: 'black.'"[4]

[1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeffrey-lord-trump-ryan-racist_us_5756d8d6e4b07823f9514271 [2] https://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/ryan-obama-plan-compromisesthose-judeo-christ [3] http://newsone.com/2967515/paul-ryan-poverty/ [4] http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/is-paul-ryan-racist-104687 50.5.139.177 (talk) 17:44, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

 Not done. Please review the WP:BLP and WP:NPOV policies. GAB^gab 17:20, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

I think realistically it won't be possible to include everything that everyone has ever said about Paul. Alicb (talk) 17:05, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 October 2016

• • Add paragraph at end of "2016 presidential election" section:

Ryan criticized Trump on multiple occasions prior to and after announcing his support for Trump on June 2, 2016 but did not withdraw his support for the candidate. On May 27, 2016 after Trump suggested that a Federal Judge, Gonzalo P. Curiel, was biased against Trump because of his Mexican heritage, Ryan stated, "I disavow these comments — I regret those comments that he made. Claiming a person can’t do their job because of their race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment." On July 31, 2016 after Trump had criticized the parents of Capt. Humayun Khan, a Muslim soldier who was killed in Iraq, Ryan responded, “Many Muslim Americans have served valiantly in our military, and made the ultimate sacrifice. Captain Khan was one such brave example. His sacrifice — and that of Khizr and Ghazala Khan — should always be honored. Period.” On October 7, 2016 when a lewd recording of Trump was released, Ryan released a statement saying, “I am sickened by what I heard today. Women are to be championed and revered, not objectified. I hope Mr. Trump treats this situation with the seriousness it deserves and works to demonstrate to the country that he has greater respect for women than this clip suggests.” Ryan also cancelled a joint appearance that had been planned in Wisconsin for October 8, 2016 and invited GOP Vice Presidential nominee Mike Pence to substitute for Trump.

Rrobbins12 (talk) 13:21, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Why is "Ayn Rand Affiliation" the 2nd section of his biography? Polemicizing?

This sort of category should come at the end of his biography not toward the beginning. It doesn't make sense for it to be the first section after "early life" and before "early career." It doesn't make sense even chronologically since his public comments on Ayn Rand come long after his "early career." Whoever put this section there seemed to want to polemicize him from the start! If this was not his/her intention, that is surely the outcome either way.