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Sweeping changes

Look, if you are trying to help, that's fine and all, but you are removing far more than you are adding, and you never left a message on the talk page or an edit summary. Dustin (talk) 23:36, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. OK, then: this article is a complete mess. It is too long, unstructured, uses poor grammar and is completely US-centric. I was trying (before you reverted it) to create a structure that made sense by moving (not deleting) the sections around and adding 'history' which is sorely needed. Small changes are really not going to save this article, so I (or someone else) can either go off and rewrite the whole thing from scratch or it's going to have some 'sweeping changes' done to it in situ. I won't touch it again - life's too short Btljs (talk) 23:46, 8 June 2014 (UTC) I even prefer the version on the user page above.[reply]

I would suggest that you make a copy of the page in your sandbox, make the modifications there, then recopy everything into this article. In that way, you may make all the necessary changes with one edit. Thank you. Dustin (talk) 23:51, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I should have; I tend to just edit bits at a time, but then I realized the structure of the whole thing needed moving around. To avoid having everything reverted again, I'll make some comments here first:
sections missing - History of celebrity: who, where, notable firsts - print, theatre, film, radio, tv (started writing this)
Regional and cultural implications - don't like the title, but I get what the aim of the section is; it just needs some references and more global outlook (Quebec is fine for ONE example) similarities and differences around the world.

Fictional implications: really? Need reference for anyone talking about fictional celebrities - I suppose you have a fictional character who is a celebrity within the fiction (Harry Potter is suddenly famous in the wizarding world) and then you also have fictional characters who are treated like celebrities - given endorsements etc. But needs sources.

Pictures: these should be notable in some way, not just 'here's another celebrity' & the captions should explain this - who cares how many cups Beckham has won? He's a celebrity because of what else he has done: endorsement, media appearances, marriage etc.
Becoming a celebrity - I'd keep the US based references which are interesting but I propose splitting along the lines of: people's aspiration to be celebrities, the media machine that generates c., again global differences
Careers that... - I'd dump this whole section. Any career can lead to celebrity & being royal is not a career. If anyone wants this I would suggest another article called lists of celebrities by occupation but I don't recommend it
Wealth - again, make it more global and take out the table of arbitrary American celebs
The other shorter sections just need sorting.

As a Brit, I am still Anglocentric and this article (like so many others) desperately needs input from people who know about other cultures. Btljs (talk) 08:51, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Btljs: That's fine by me so long as you don't just pull it to another side but rather than make it more neutral. That's your aim from what I can tell? Dustin (talk) 15:30, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I hope so. It is difficult, as the dominant culture in media over the last 70 years is the US, so global celebrity is very US biased. The problem is the less well-known celebrities who tend to be more nation specific - I don't have a clue who these basketball players, news 'anchors' (the UK doesn't even have celebrity news anchors in any meaningful sense) etc. are but there's no point me replacing them with UK celebrities as it's the same problem the other way round. It would be nice to have a 'Celebrity around the world' section, but the danger would be tokenism - e.g. here's the most famous Bollywood actor, sumo wrestler etc. without any context or deeper understanding. Ah well, you can only do what you can do. Btljs (talk) 20:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jill Kelley

Seriously, who? 222K hits on Google makes her about as famous as my local MP. Can we agree that this article should deal with people of a historical import? Btljs (talk) 20:09, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Careers that offer celebrity status

I'm dumping the whole section here. I think it's unnecessary to the article and pointless. If anybody wants to resurrect it, I suggest a complete rewrite.Btljs (talk) 23:17, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Celebrities
Angelina Jolie
Mila Kunis
Emma Stone
Since careers in the sports and entertainment industry are highly paid, well exposed yet the extreme difficulty to attain them and the stamina to excel are likely to confer celebrity status in themselves.

Some professional activities in fields such as ones that are commonly associated with celebrity prestige are careers within the sports and entertainment sphere. Having a successful career such as being a professional athlete or an entertainment industry based professionals are careers that many average people can identify with but can only dream about pursuing. Only a very small percentage or a tiny fraction of people can ever make a name for themselves as celebrities in the cultural and entertainment spheres (including music, film, television, radio, theater, modelling, literature etc.) or within the realm of sports.

Careers within the sports and entertainment sphere, such as being an elite professional athlete on a sports team, or an entertainment figure such as a musician that dominates the music charts frequently, an A-list movie actor with a lead role in a big budget blockbuster film, or a television actor with lead roles on prime-time shows, have a strong likelihood to become celebrities. Informal references by the general public and media have used to refer to celebrities as: The stars, sports stars, rock stars, rap stars, supermodels, movie stars, TV stars, radio stars, music stars, superstars, stardom, and media personalities.

The Indian actor Rajesh Khanna was referred to as "Bollywood's first superstar".[1]
  • Business leaders which include successful entrepreneurs, financially successful investors and financiers, and as well as top level CEOs and executives of major corporations that regularly dominate the global business scene and world financial market affairs, top the daily business headlines and coverage of financial markets have a strong likelihood to become celebrities. High-ranking politicians and top level government officials that dominate global political scene and foreign affairs, headline major current events, play a pivotal role in domestic and international politics have a tremendous impact in day-to-day media have a strong likelihood to become celebrities.[2]
Albert Einstein typifies the 20th-century symbol of scientific genius.
  • Prominent socialites and elite aristocrats and royal families, top level professional athletes, top flight entertainment based professionals that include chart-topping musicians and pop singers, television and film actors with lead roles on prominently scheduled television shows and hit box office movies as well as internationally recognized supermodels and models are almost invariably celebrities.
Walt Disney, a major figure within the American animation industry and throughout the world, he is regarded as an international icon.[6]

Behind the scenes

Actors, musicians, models, directors, producers, comedians, television hosts and other entertainment-industry professionals are some of the highest-earning in America given that the entertainment industry based professional achieves a certain degree of success as a prerequisite. Talent agents, sports agents, publicists, and talent managers of such people get 10 percent of the gross income their successful clients make and these jobs are among the highest paying jobs in the sports and entertainment industries.[7][8] Though it is a potentially a very lucrative field, depending on whom the agent or talent manager signs on as a client, they are less likely to become celebrities.[9][10]

While it’s true that the top television and film actors have become movie and television stars, musicians and pop singers that become pop stars, or athletes that become sports stars often become celebrities, the other professionals that play a more peripheral role in the entertainment sphere, such as television, music, and film directors and producers, screenwriters, playwrights, and animators are less likely to attain celebrity status (albeit there are some exceptions, such as directors Steven Spielberg, Quentin Tarantino and animator Walt Disney). Entertainment based occupations that are not as well known in the general public or are simply antiquated (e.g. magicians, photographers, and some visual artists such as painters and potters) relative to the present day mass media industry are less likely to become celebrities (though there are exceptions such as illusionists David Copperfield and Criss Angel, or photographer David LaChapelle).

In other sub-fields within the entertainment industry, there is a similar situation. For instance, in the music industry, the top-selling pop singers have a strong potential to become celebrities, but the behind-the-scenes professionals tend to remain little known to the general public (e.g. dancers, disc jockeys, record producers, and composers); though in recent years, Club DJs such as David Guetta, Skrillex and Deadmau5 or composer David Foster and Danny Elfman have achieved worldwide fame for their respective work in the music industry. High-end fashion and jewelry designers are likely to become celebrities but will not garner the same and equal importance in the entertainment sphere compared to a successful film or television actor or a widely known musician.

A similar phenomenon is also true within the field of professional sports as professional athletes who are directly involved directly with the competition, the physical aspects of scoring and defending, as well as being widely spectated by fans are more than likely to become celebrities. However, other professionals that play a more peripheral role in the field of professional sports (e.g. coaches, general managers, referees, commentators and announcers, sports team owners and executives, sports commissioners) who are more active in the internal aspects of field tend to remain in obscurity and are less likely to achieve celebrity status.[11]

Outside of the sports and entertainment sphere, the top inventors, entrepreneurs and businesspeople, professionals such as doctors, lawyers, and scientists, etc. are unlikely to become celebrities even if they are enormously successful in their field due to the general public and society's disinterest in science and technology, invention, entrepreneurship, business and courtroom law which is not fictional. Maurice Hilleman, an American microbiologist and medical scientist, is credited with saving more lives than any other medical scientist of the 20th century.[12] After Hilleman's death Ralph Nader wrote, "Yet almost no one knew about him, saw him on television, or read about him in newspapers or magazines. His anonymity, in comparison with Madonna, Michael Jackson, Jose Canseco, or an assortment of grade B actors, tells something about our society's and media's concepts of celebrity; much less of the heroic."[13]

Sentence makes no sense....

The sentence "Though become the commonplace for celebrities to place their name with endorsements onto products just for quick money." makes no sense.

Would anyone care to take a guess at what this is supposed to mean and correct it...? This is the second sentence/paragraph under the "Entrepreneurship and endorsements" section. ````







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Really bad article

I did some editing on this article a while back and tried to introduce some history and some globalisation but it has not improved since then. It seems that people find it really hard to think of celebrity outside their own time and place. I really don't know what to suggest to rescue this page. Btljs (talk) 18:00, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Bollywood's 'first superstar' Rajesh Khanna dies aged 69". BBC. 18 July 2012. Retrieved 10 May 2014.
  2. ^ "Celebrities, politicians and businessmen on social media | The NewsMeBack Blog". Newsmeback.com. 2011-04-27. Retrieved 2011-12-03.
  3. ^ "Famous Fitness Gurus". {{cite web}}: |first= missing |last= (help)
  4. ^ Rivers, Jonathan. "Hall of Shame: 12 of the Worst Financial Gurus". Shrinkage is Good. Retrieved May 5, 2012.
  5. ^ "The Worst Financial Advise You Shouldn't Take". August 4th 2011. Bankaim.
  6. ^ Dave Bryan (August 13, 2002). "Walt Disney Helped Wernher von Braun Sell Americans on Space". Associated Press. Archived from the original on May 24, 2009. Retrieved September 27, 2010.
  7. ^ Sports Agent Fees Sports Agent Blog, Dec 11, 2007
  8. ^ Band Manager Info at Media Positive Radio
  9. ^ MusicBizAdvice Q&A January 2008
  10. ^ Garrison, Larry. Breaking Into Acting for Dummies, Wiley Publishing Inc., 2002, p. 34.
  11. ^ "Professional Athlete". Bls.gov. 2010-03-19. Retrieved 2011-12-12.
  12. ^ Maugh, Thomas H. II (2005-04-13). "Maurice R. Hilleman, 85; Scientist Developed Many Vaccines That Saved Millions of Lives". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 2010-10-20.
  13. ^ Nader R (2005-04-16). "Scientists or celebrities?". Counterpunch. Retrieved 2009-11-13.

Globalise

WikiEditorial101 removed the Globalize hatnote so I just want to explain why I put it there and why I think it should still be there. The section "Becoming a celebrity" which I had to add "in the US" to because it deals entirely with the US needs balancing with other countries or regions of the world. "Wealth" is entirely about rich US celebrities. These form about half of the page and, while the other sections are more balanced, they still have too many US orientated examples (not necessarily US celebrities but a US pov of who is famous).

I also think that the article is too current, which sounds weird, but there are celebrities who transcend both their time and their genre and you can't really know who they are until some time has passed (you can guess some though). Marylin Monroe, Charlie Chaplin, Mohatma Ghandi, John F Kennedy, Pelé, Alfred Hitchcock, Che Guevara, Sachin Tendulkar, Eva Perón, Rudolf Nureyev etc. who show a much wider definition of celebrity than that currently give in the page. Btljs (talk) 20:51, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Ariana Grande

Ariana Grande needs to be added to the list of celebrities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylannStormRoof (talk • contribs) 09:08, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My suggestion

These are my personal feeling. I like the photos which show us some example for celebrity. I found a phenomenon, most of celebrity in this link are rich people. I think they need give us more sources about some celebrities who do not have money. This article is a complete too long, unstructured and mess. So I think some of shorter sections need sorting a little bit. I do not think this article was helped me when I read it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.41.197.222 (talk) 17:30, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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