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A Women's Issue-Put this page back under Weinstein

This appears to be a decoy page. When I posted about Weinstein's harrassment on his page I was told by an editor to move to this page, but this page is slated for deletion so all the work to document the decades of harrassment will not be saved. This is a women's issue which the mostly male editors of Wikipedia may not have as a concern, but there is no reason to move the harassment information away from his main page unless a desire to draw posts here and then delete this page. Kmccook (talk) 13:19, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Right now, that article is leaning heavily towards being kept; 9 keeps with 2 people also voting merge as second option and nobody supporting deletion except the nominator. In other words, this article is very likely safe. Mr rnddude (talk) 13:30, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry. It's likely to be here for ages. Gene2010 (talk) 09:11, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

am I the only one really offended by Kmccooks suggestion that all other men are not bothered about a serial rapist (as seems) because we are men??? And that we want to hide and delete all mention of the subject's crimes? That is a despicable opinion to have, and to push on us all merely because we are male?Simply-the-truth (talk) 13:27, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

NBC's involvement

I've discovered some reports we can use for NBC's involvement and subsequent criticism from it:

How Did NBC Miss Out on a Harvey Weinstein Exposé? - Report from The New York Times
NBC slammed for passing on Harvey Weinstein sex harassment exposé - Report from Fox News

With regard to WP:NPOV, WP:RS, WP:V, and most especially WP:BLP, would it be necessary to include it in the article at this stage or should we add it in later? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 07:37, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We could perhaps have a subsection about the wider topic of how Weinstein allegedly used his money and influence to keep the rumors about his behavior quiet. The NBC angle could be part of that. I'm not sure we have enough reliable sources for that, though. Sandstein 08:55, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 08:58, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Vũ Thu Phuong

I read the Facebook post of Vũ Thu Phuong and she stated that Harvey Weinstein sexually harassing her after having a cameo appearance in a 2010 movie 'Shanghai', which is distributed by The Weinstein Company.

If you want to know the reliable sources is, here's the Vietnamese article.

http://m.dantri.com.vn/van-hoa/cuu-nguoi-mau-vu-thu-phuong-chia-se-tung-bi-harvey-westein-quay-roi-20171013104700577.htm

And her Facebook post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1557792064302007&id=100002136856677

- Vũ Ngọc Nhu Thảo

P. S. If you don't speak Vietnamese, then I understand and hope you'll translating Vietnamese to English.

More information is needed, like the imdb of the movie or her imdb. A reliable source is also needed.Hofhof (talk) 00:47, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to searching her on IMDb, but she don't have it. Here's the her biography that I find https://vietceleb.blogspot.com/search/label/Vu%20Thu%20Phuong?m=0 and there's the reliable source that you want to need this https://m.vietnambreakingnews.com/2017/10/vietnamese-actress-joins-growing-voices-against-hollywood-producer-harvey-weinstein/

I think they're needed to included her on Alleged Victims. - Vũ Ngọc Như Thảo

Matt Damon and Russell Crowe cover up

Sharon Waxman alleges that Matt Damon and Russell Crowe covered this up in 2004. Will this be in the article? Mobile mundo (talk) 17:48, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Source? Sandstein 18:03, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Source. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:39, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing substantial there about Damon and Crowe. There is the allegation that Weinstein pressured the NYT in 2004, but it's still a bit thin. I figure out that there will be better reporting in the coming days about who may have hushed up what when. Sandstein 20:18, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Seth Macfarlane --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:31, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I just hope this article won't turn into a witch hunt of who knew what. Because everybody knew something, including the media. The rumors are everywhere. But considering how powerful Weinstein used to be, very little can be done until victims come forward and say something on the record. Gene2010 (talk) 09:11, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to make a general point rather than address Waxman's allegations specifically, as I haven't read the article. I agree with Gene2010. There is a risk that we'll start giving an overly broad definition of the phrase "cover up" to cover any case where someone knew of an allegation or rumour and didn't disclose it. Anywikiuser (talk) 12:56, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion discussion

Here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harvey Weinstein sexual misconduct allegations. Isn't the "result" (KEEP) of the deletion discussion supposed to be posted somewhere on this Talk Page? Thanks. 32.209.55.38 (talk) 02:59, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, sorry, I got distracted by real-life stuff. Done now. Metamagician3000 (talk) 09:08, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 October 2017

It has been proposed in this section that Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse cases be renamed and moved to Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse allegations.

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Harvey Weinstein sexual misconduct allegations → Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse allegations – An editor above expressed the concern that the mild-sounding "misconduct" conveys the impression that we don't consider the allegations all that serious. Sexual abuse seems to be a more adequate and somewhat established umbrella term for conduct such as the one at issue here, which allegedly ranges from requests to trade sex for career advancement, to groping and rape. Sandstein 14:06, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Isn't he also being accused of sexual harassment? Not sure that falls under the categorty of sexual abuse, but it does fall under sexual misconduct. AdA&D 14:21, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think we need to look at what the sources call it. Even if it "mild-sounding" we should not have our WP:OR in the title. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 14:28, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the cited links use the wording "sexual assault". Cristiklein (talk) 20:26, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Reaper7 (talk) 22:35, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support the move because most sources are indeed referring to the allegations as sexual abuse. NY Times "sexual abuse scandal", Guardian "sexual abuse allegations", People "sexual abuse allegations" , Telegraph "sexual abuse allegations", CNN "growing number of sexual harassment and abuse accusations", Fox News "multiple allegations of sexual abuse"