Talk:List of Star Wars films

Simple list

I created List of Star Wars films to provide a simple list that would show the release years and the story order with notes as applicable. I recognize that the article Star Wars has a similar list in one of its sections, but I thought a stand-alone list separate from franchise content (thus making the list of films more visible) would be appropriate for direct information and navigation. Thanks, Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:35, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Future Star Wars films

Hi Eric, please point me to the policy that says that we don't add future films to tables. Orser67 (talk) 14:33, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Orser67, hello! There is not a specific policy that states this, but in actors and filmmakers' filmographies, we only add films once filming has begun. This is because for them, they can be attached to multiple films that will not get past the development stage. I think that logic can apply here as well. For example, the Boba Fett film appears to have been delayed and perhaps may not made. How about a different approach to identifying such films in development, perhaps list them in bullet form right below the table? A sentence above the bullets can state that these films are in development. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:45, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Orser67, the "See also" link I added was just one approach, but we can include more detail in the approach I suggested above. I only prefer to make a distinction between films that are very certain to come out (those that started filming) and those that may not. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:05, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Erik, thank you for your response, and what you say makes sense. I will create a new section that lists "planned films" and make a note that they have not started filming yet. I was also thinking that it might make sense to change the name of the article to "list of Star Wars films and television series" so that it covers all Star Wars works on the screen. List of Star Wars books, List of Star Wars comic books, and List of Star Wars video games already exist, so I think it would make sense to have an article for movie and tv series and it seems like it would make sense to combine the two. Would that work for you? Orser67 (talk) 17:15, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Maybe the "Planned films" section can be a subsection under the "List of feature films" section? As for the TV shows, I had been thinking about creating a separate list article for these (especially to list the canon ones as well as older non-canon ones). Why do you think combining films and TV shows is better? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:18, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Good idea about the subsections. A separate article about the tv series would be fine but combining them could make sense given that there aren't that many movies and tv series, and that the line between tv and film isn't always clear. E.g. Star Wars Rebels has released two longer episodes, Spark of the Rebellion and Siege of Lothal, that were described as tv movies. Orser67 (talk) 18:43, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Non-Canon or Legends

Is it really accurate to list some of the shows are Non-canon? Legends should be the term used because there are two Star Wars canons: Legends canon and the current canon. The three shows listed as non-canon are part of the Legends canon and thus are canon within that universe, but are not confirmed as canon within the current canon. Emperor001 (talk) 03:51, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

My understanding is that "Legends" is essentially a branding label used for all non-canon material, and Legends doesn't represent a unified, alternative canon. I think it's probably simpler and less confusing for the average reader to say "non-canon" instead of "Legends." But I can see how using Legends instead would have the advantage of sticking with Lucasfilm's terminology, so long as we explained what Legends means on the page. Orser67 (talk) 04:36, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Legends is essentially an alternate universe. Before Lucasfilm/Disney chose to dump the EU Lucasfilm did try to keep everything in the EU consistent with a hierarchy of canon: level one being the movies and statements by Lucas, level 2 being the Clone Wars, level 3 being almost everything else, level 4 being canonical aspects of otherwise non-canon media, and level 5 being non-canon "what if" stories". Wookiepedia treats Canon and Legends as two separate universes. There are now basically two universes, Legends and the current Canon. One interview about the re-branding as Legends someone from Lucasfilm even said that Legends could be just considered an alternate universe. Emperor001 (talk) 05:18, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

The former attempts at unified continuity in "Legends" have been tossed out, though, following the canon reboot, and any non-canon item is labeled as "Legends" regardless of its former level of canon status. So, whereas what you say about the G- T- C- etc canon levels used to be true, it no longer is, and the "Legends" banner does not represent a single, unified alternate universe. (The same is also true in the inverse, as there's no distinction in canon level made between the films and computer animated TV series anymore, either. Rebels is just as much canon as A New Hope.) oknazevad (talk) 17:36, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Legends is an alternate universe as evidenced by a statement from someone from Lucasfilm. Wookiepedia treats most Legends material (admittedly including stories not canon with either canon) as an alternate universe, with many subjects such as main characters getting two articles, one for the current canon and one for Legends. I am well aware that the former canon hierarchy does not apply to current media and that Rebels is on par with the movies and The Clone Wars and anything else made after 4/25/14, but Legends is an alternate story as the Legends material was worked together as a continuing story. Emperor001 (talk) 03:12, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Story order

The cell of Story Order it's seems some confussing. We can fix on another form? The cell that i retitled "Appearance" might be use for those notes.OscarFercho (talk) 13:45, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

I switched it to Episode order as a bold attempt to use the existing built in numbering system. Thus additional films would be given arbitrary fractional Episode numbers based on when that movie occurs. I gave Rogue One episode number 3.9 as in directly proceeds Star Wars Episode IV (A New Hope), Clone Wars film 2.5 since it general takes place between episodes 2 & 3 and the Han Solo movie 3.5. With out clear guidance like with Rogue One most Anthology/Story movies should probably use #.5 to show which episodes the movie is between (0.5 if anytime before The Phantom Menace).

@Godwin1996: changed Rogue One to 3.5 (2) and the Han Solo movie to 3.5 (1) with out a reason. Godwin1996, care to explain as it doesn't make sense in the Episode numbering as Anthology/Story movies are not suppose have their own numbering system given it isn't the main saga. Spshu (talk) 14:41, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Clearly it's to indicate which one takes place first, based on what we know. That said, the .5 desig agora are cheesy and fanboyish. Just use direct numbering. oknazevad (talk) 15:08, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Episodes are factual and direct numbering having to do with Star Wars. What do you mean by ".5 desi agora"? Since you reject episode numbering then what do you mean by "direct" numbering. While the story order numbering was clear at some point the movies particularly the anthology/story films may occur at overlapping or partially overlapping times or unclear to each other but clearly exist between one Episode and another. Spshu (talk) 15:59, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I blame autocorrect. That's supposed to read ".5 designations". Iindicating the placement of the anthology films in regard to the main series episodes is what the note column is for. Regardless, ".5" numbers, which are indeed made up, and therefore WP:OR, look amateurish and cheesy. Really, thinking in it, we don't need a separate column for the story order. If anything, the distinction between main series films and anthology films, which is a distinction made by both producers and press, should be recognized by putting them is separate charts, with the placement of the anthology films in the timeline covered by the notes column. It's pretty straightforward and objective. oknazevad (talk) 16:17, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

If the .5 or .9 designations is made up then the same would hold for the Story order number used before which according to you is WP:OR. While Episode numbers are not made up thus not OR. Rogue One is objective directly before Episode IV thus objectively 3.9 (which I original used). .5 is "between" number and the Clone War objective occurs between Episode 2 and 3 and objectively 2.5 is between 2.0 and 3.0. So with a list of Star Wars movies and TV shows that you prefer at the Star Wars franchise page, perhaps we are better off filling a AfD for this article as this is just a fork. Spshu (talk) 18:23, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

I could agree to that as it is just an unneeded fork. Unlike the novels video games and comics, which are legion. There's only been 7 movies and a few TV projects, not really enough for a separate page. oknazevad (talk) 20:34, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Order

@Erik: The organisation of the list it's your opinion, please submit on this page before a sense change, considering the amount of users that has been contributed to this list.OscarFercho (talk) 03:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Orser67, can you compare the versions? I find OscarFercho's version to be extremely bloated. It is faulty in a number of ways:

1. "List of feature films" has an extraneous column that provides very little useful information; one could easily say in a sentence above it that one studio distributed the first two trilogies and that another started with the latest trilogy.
2. Poor merging of planned films into the main list of films, because trying to sort by "Story Order" screws up the table badly
3. "Reception" was stolen wholesale from Star Wars; this redundancy is unnecessary, and the section can be linked to in the "See also" section

Overall, the version suffers from scope creep. Most Star Wars articles are prose-heavy. This list should be a way to simply list the films for readers, especially with the start of anthology films. They shouldn't be left to go through prose or table bloat to figure that out. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 03:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

In addition, in regard to table size, please consider mobile views. I've notified WT:STARWARS about these two versions. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 04:01, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

My personal opinion is that the second column in "list of feature films" is probably unnecessary bloat, at least in its most current state. I don't have a particularly strong opinion about the other things. Orser67 (talk) 04:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Third Anthology Film

currently the thrid anthology film is listed as boba fett. this is only rumored not officially confirmed by disney or lucasfilm. this should be removed. JJsCat (talk) 15:14, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Revert

Re: this edit, "The individual articles contain that info." Sure, but per WP:Summary style, I would expect an article about Star Wars films also to contain information about the release dates, producers and distributors. I came to this article hoping to find out who had directed each film, and was really surprised/disappointed that this article didn't contain any of that information – how Wikipedia can have an article about Star Wars films that doesn't even mention George Lucas is beyond me. I see no policy-based reason not to have the information that I included. 81.145.40.245 (talk) 08:53, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

No discussion, I'm making the change back. 81.145.40.245 (talk) 10:32, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Pointless random highlighting

Somebody added bright yellow highlighting to exactly two data items on this page: the canon status of two TV series. I cannot understand why. There's no other color used elsewhere in the charts on the page. There are several other items on the page which are also canon, but they aren't flagged in bright yellow to highlight this fact... because they don't need to be. Items that aren't canon don't have color added to draw attention to that fact, either. Because it's unnecessary. Anyone literate enough to read the charts can see from the word "Yes" that these two items are canon; they don't need color added to make it clear. It makes those two data cells the hey-look-at-me most-conspicuous items in the whole article, and they should not be. It's poor data presentation and should be removed. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 04:18, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

As is said in my edit summary, no other section of the article has need for such contrast. A small use of color to aid readers unfamiliar with the subject in quickly identifying which series have that attribute is a valid use of color. Maybe make it lighter, but no need to remove it, as it AIDS the reader. That's our goal as always. oknazevad (talk) 04:21, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

But it doesn't aid the reader. It distracts. And it isn't needed there, any more than it's needed elsewhere in the article. Seriously: It Is Not Needed. The word "Yes" conveys the information quite well by itself. By the logic you seem to be using, we should add some special color to the word "No" as well. And maybe we should add color to the status "Released" on some of the films (because that's important to some people), and maybe an additional color to indicate which films were distributed by Fox vs. Disney (because some people might care), and add colors to highlight the TV networks (ditto), and.... no. No, we shouldn't. Maybe the canon status is so specially super important to you personally that you feel it needs this kind of super special attention-seeking treatment. But is isn't. It's just one more piece of data, and should be presented as such, without any subjective emphasis. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 04:40, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Adding to the discussion I suggest for the Table of Films on this article to be exactly the same as the one in the main Star Wars article something user Oknazevad hasn't allowed me to do as he keeps reverting the article back. Also should we re-title the article List of Star Wars Films, Television and Home Media Releases and merge the whole info on the List of changes in Star Wars re-releases at the bottom of this article? Rosvel92 (talk) 05:11, 15 December 2016 (UTC)Rosvel92

Create a decent table for animated television series

Use this as a start.Rosvel92 (talk) 09:58, 16 December 2016 (UTC)Rosvel92

Ep.#	Series	Release date	End date	Creator(s)	Producer(s)	Production Company	Distributor(s)	Notes
121	Star Wars: The Clone Wars	October 3, 2008 (2008-10-03)	March 7, 2014 (2014-03-07)	George Lucas & Dave Filoni	Executive Producers: George Lucas, Catherine Winder, Producer: Cary Silver	Lucasfilm Animation	Cartoon Network, Netflix	After Attack of the Clones.
37	Star Wars: Rebels	October 3, 2008 (2008-10-03)		George Lucas, Dave Filoni, Simon Kinberg, Carrie Beck	Executive Producers: Dave Filoni, Simon Kinberg, Greg Weisman, Producers: Kiri Hart, Athena Yvette Portillo		Disney XD	5 years before A New Hope.
Legends
13	Star Wars: Droids	September 7, 1985 (1985-09-07)	June 7, 1986 (1986-06-07)	George Lucas, Ben Burtt, Raymond Jafelice, Clive A. Smith, Ken Stephenson	George Lucas, Miki Herman, Peter Sauder	Nelvana, Lucasfilm	ABC	Before A New Hope.
35	Star Wars: Ewoks	September 7, 1985 (1985-09-07)	December 13, 1986 (1986-12-13)	George Lucas, Raymond Jafelice, Dale Schott, Writers: Bob Carrau, Paul Dini	George Lucas, Miki Herman (1985), Cliff Ruby (1986), Elana Lesser (1986)			Before Return of the Jedi.
25 (20 Shorts)	Star Wars: Clone Wars	November 7, 2003 (2003-11-07)	March 25, 2005 (2005-03-25)	Genndy Tartakovsky	Executive producers: George Lucas, Sam Register, Producer: Genndy Tartakovsky, Shareena Carlson	Lucasfilm Animation	Cartoon Network	After Attack of the Clones.
39	Star Wars Detours	Unreleased		Seth Green, Brendan Hay, George Lucas	Executive producers: Seth Green, Matthew Senreich, Producers: Seth Green, Matthew Senreich	Lucasfilm Animation, Stoopid Monkey		Parody

Nothing in the article should be organized via a canon/Legends divide. That doesn't serve any useful purpose on this page, and I know that the reasons why it shouldn't be have been explained several times to you, specifically, Rosvel. I threw together some example tables about how I propose the tables should be laid out and how the overall page should be organized, located here. I think anything that would be in the notes section in any other proposals should instead be outlined in a prose section lead before each table. The article needs prose anyway to better contextualize the tabled information. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 18:29, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Ok, ignore the Legends separation, but let's write the other technical information into the table.Rosvel92 (talk) 22:57, 16 December 2016 (UTC)Rosvel92

My question is, how much technical information is necessary to be listed here, if the table will then link to the subarticles? Is production company really necessary when it's all effectively Lucasfilm? And if producers are listed, is that just straight "producer" or does that include "executive producer" (they're different roles)? How much is necessary? We shouldn't overburden this article. I'm not sure about the producer column, but I do think production company should go. Distributor should be network because that's more appropriate for television series. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 23:40, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely agreed. It's the same thing with the movies. Too much information. It's supposed to be a simple list of movies and shows, not a detailed breakdown and comparison. There's individual articles for each film and series where the information is available a single click away. It should not be here. oknazevad (talk) 13:53, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Personally, I think the tables should have: title, first aired, last aired, creators, network. That's it. That, in my opinion, encompasses all the basic facts of a television series. The tables I threw together in the subpage I linked above is more a compromise position. And as far as the film table, I think the status column can go too. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 15:33, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Detours and parody

I'll admit that I know very little about Detours, but is it really considered a parody series? There's nothing on its article to suggest that it is, so why is it organized under a parody heading rather than under television series? ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 15:34, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

It was intended as a parodic look at the franchise. It was canceled before completion due to the sale to Disney. Frankly, I don't think it even needs to be mentioned. At the least, the header should just be "unfinished series", with no comment on its content; that's what the separate article is for. oknazevad (talk) 16:42, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Better integration needed

Now that material has been moved over as part of the reworking of the main Star Wars article, we really need to do a better job integrating the first two charts, as there's a lot of redundancy between the two. Frankly, many of the credits in the moved over chart are unneeded in an overview article and probably shouldn't have been in the chart to begin with. The ones that are important are actually already in the chart that was already here, so I'm thinking we can just get rid of the second chart, but I'd like some input as to which, if any, positions should be integrated into the top chart from the crew chart. oknazevad (talk) 04:04, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

I think the "status" column can flat out go. I also am in support of removing "executive producer(s)". I think that "writer(s)" and "screenwriter(s)" can be merged. I wouldn't miss "distributor" if it was gone, but I wouldn't necessarily advocate for its removal; I'm ambivalent about it. It's probably worth mentioning the chart at Harry Potter (film series)#Production lists only Director, Writer, Producer, Composer. Our own Music ought to be renamed Composer as well. I think the "Release date" column should be simplified to the year. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 04:10, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

I largely followed your suggestions, as they mirrored my ideas pretty well. I left the full release dates, though, as they don't take up much room, and, since not all films have been released, are of current interest. While I was at it, I also removed the almost completely empty line for the third anthology film, as there's nothing to report there, what with the original plans (Josh Trank directing) have been scuttled. oknazevad (talk) 11:08, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Legends revisited

In my opinion we should list it like this, because this way acknowledges that Lucasfilm does not consider them canon. I mean George Lucas, deeply hates the Holiday Special, and I mean is not to much of a unholy wikipedia guidelines deviation, the legends tv things, would be still under the tv section. But this way is better because it explains their place in the universe.Rosvel92 (talk) 05:27, 13 December 2017 (UTC)rosvel92

Extended content

-==Television and internet== Animated series Title Sea­sons Epi­sodes Release year Supervising Director Production company Network Setting Canon Star Wars: The Clone Wars 6 121 2008–14 Dave Filoni Lucasfilm Animation Cartoon Network (Season 1-5) & Netflix (Season 6) Between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith Yes Star Wars Rebels 4 68 2014–present Dave Filoni (Season 1-2) & Justin Ridge (Season 3-4) Disney XD Between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope Star Wars Forces of Destiny 2 16 2017 Youtube Across all eras Legends With the 2012 acquisition of Lucasfilm by The Walt Disney Company, most of the licensed Star Wars works, including television films, animated series, videogames, novels and comics produced since the originating 1977 film Star Wars were rebranded as Star Wars Legends and declared non-canon to the franchise in April 2014. Legends animated series Title Sea­sons Epi­sodes Release year Supervising Director Production company Network Setting Canon Star Wars: Droids 1 13 1985–86 Nelvana ABC Between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope No Star Wars: Ewoks 2 35 1985–86 Before Return of the Jedi Star Wars: Clone Wars 3 25 2003–05 Genndy Tartakovsky Cartoon Network Studios Cartoon Network Between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith Legends television films and specials Film Release date Director(s) Screen­writer(s) Network Setting Canon Holiday Special Star Wars: Holiday Special November 17, 1978 David Acomba & Steve Binder Bruce Vilanch CBS Between A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back No Ewok television films Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure November 25, 1984 John Korty Bob Carrau Story by: George Lucas ABC Between The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi No Ewoks The Battle for Endor November 24, 1985 Jim Wheat & Ken Wheat Jim Wheat & Ken Wheat Story by: George Lucas Critical and public response Film Rotten Tomatoes Metacritic CinemaScore Star Wars Holiday Special 43% (7 reviews) Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure 25% (12 reviews) Ewoks The Battle for Endor List indicator(s) A dark grey cell indicates the information is not available for the film. No critical consensus has been reached for either film.

Please create new sections instead of inserting into old ones, especially those that are two years old. Also, it has been explained to you dozens of times: no article should organize information based on canonicity. Lucas himself can come and comment on this page to tell us he doesn't want the Holiday Special lumped in with the rest of the films, but it does not change that we cannot and should not change how we organize information. The article should not separate things based on what's canon and what isn't. This has been explained numerous times. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 05:44, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

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Inflation

All Star Wars films should be adjusted to 2005 prices or else it it inconsistent. I made the changes P+T reasonpe B4 making changes thanks92.232.119.244 (talk) 15:43, 19 January 2018 (UTC)