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September 24

How to reference a quoatation

I found a quote ("Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." Ralph Waldo Emerson) ^[1] from a quote website called quotemelon . I like this quote and I want to post this quote and maybe some other quotes on my blog. So now I am wondering how to reference it. Should I reference it to the website I found it from or quotes do not need referencing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joojebaz (talk • contribs) 16:29, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://quotemelon.com/creativity-quotes/

If its just for your blog, then referencing where you found it is fine. Note however, that many quote sites are notoriously lax as far as verification is concerned, and are often wrong (either misquoted or misattributed). If you reference the source, and its wrong -- then its the source's fault and not yours. Of course it would be best practice to quote Emerson using the original source; however, according to "expert" Ralph Keyes (probably this Ralph Keyes) in the The Quote Verifier : "No source of this quotation has ever been found in his works." But, Muriel Strode wrote a poem published in August 1903 titled "Wind-Wafted Wild Flowers" that includes:

I will not follow where the path may lead, but I will go where there is no path, and I will leave a trail.

Source: "Tag:Muriel Strode". quoteinvestigator.com. Quote Investigator. June 19, 2014. —2606:A000:1126:4CA:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 22:02, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

September 29

Has there ever been a police service that transitioned to not being armed?

It's easy to find information about which countries don't arm their police forces with firearms, i.e. New Zealand, the UK, Iceland etc. In all of these cases, as far as I can tell, those police have been unarmed since their organisations were founded. I'm wondering if there are any examples of countries where police used to carry guns, but don't any longer? Dr-ziego (talk) 02:18, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are very few police forces that routinely go unarmed (list); you could go through that list and research each one. That would cover most cases, though it's certainly possible that there is a police force that was armed, then disarmed, and then rearmed again - leaving them off that list. Matt Deres (talk) 02:21, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

After WW2, the German police – which had been involved in numerous war crimes and murders – was demilitarized and partially disarmed [1] [2]. This and other reforms introduced by the Allies (decentralization in particular) weren’t particularly well liked with the new German governments, and changed as soon as the late 1940s. German police was fully armed again in the 1950s [3]. Cheers ✦ _hugarheimur 08:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Does this apply specificially to the occupation zones that became West Germany, or did the Soviets (who rarely acted in cooperation with the western Allies) do the same thing in their zone? --76.69.47.223 (talk) 20:13, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers. I suspected this was the case but wanted to check if anyone knew otherwise. There certainly don't seem to be any cases of police disarming which didn't occur in the midst of some broader change, i.e. the German police above or the Royal Irish Constabulary becoming the Garda. Dr-ziego (talk) 04:59, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not an expert, but as far as I know, the Soviets went (or at least wanted to appear to go) farther than the Westmächte in creating a new police force (rather than taking over a lot of the old personnel), a police force made up primarily of communists, and in consequence they had less qualms about arming them. Still, the Volkspolizei (“peoples police”), founded in July of ’45, was only armed in October of that same year (according to German Wikipedia, so would have been disarmed for at least some months). Cheers ✦ _hugarheimur 14:23, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

September 30

Sheila

An Irish person just told me that the Irish equivalent of the Australian Sheila is Ashley. I’m wondering what the name would be in various countries. Temerarius (talk) 01:52, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This Australian person has never heard that claim. HiLo48 (talk) 02:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Irish version is Sile. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 02:09, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

JackofOz I think you meant to link to Síle since that link goes to the article for a Turkish city. I'll add links to wiktionary and Names of Ireland for more info. MarnetteD|Talk 02:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 03:50, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What does the OP mean when he/she says "Sheila". Do they mean the equivalent of that particular name or do they mean the slightly disrespectful generic term for a young lady that is/was used in Australia. Richard Avery (talk) 07:25, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I assumed they meant the latter, but Urban Dictionary doesn't seem to support that notion. Wiktionary has an article on "sheila", but nothing on "ashley". So, if that's what was meant, it's not very widely understood. It would be helpful if Temerarius came back to provide some context. Matt Deres (talk) 12:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) "Ashley" is worse than that [4]. 86.131.233.235 (talk) 13:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

sorry, I did mean the idea of A Sheila rather than the name Sheila Temerarius (talk) 13:50, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So you're saying that the Irish have a concept of "an ashley"? Never heard of it. Irish people, where are you? HiLo48 (talk) 22:19, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't fancy washing my eyes with bleach, so I won't check for myself, but I wonder if this is an Urban Dictionary question. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:08, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Urban Dictionary is not a reliable source on anything.--WaltCip (talk) 12:13, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's true. But I suspect Temerarius isn't looking for a reliable source. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:55, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Urban Dictionary for an ashley was already linked above. It supports the notion that an ashley could exist although as the IP said, it doesn't really seem to be equivalent to a sheila. However it's entirely unclear where the concept may exist. With only a single entry, it's also fairly difficult to know if it definitely exists as a concept or whoever added it was just mocking someone they knew called Ashley. The 10 up votes and 9 down votes may mean something, or maybe not. The IP's description makes me think they are also familiar with the term, but I'm not certain. Maybe most significantly, as a well known LTA user who geolocate to England, it's doubtful they're reliable for what goes on in Ireland. A look at the entries for simple "ashley" [5] is no more helpful apparently made by (current) partners, friends, admirers, parents and people called Ashley although I admit I only looked at the first page not all 57. The fact that a search doesn't find any real discussion of the term despite taking out confounders like madison etc, even accepting that ashley may be a much more common real name, makes me think even if such a concept exists, it's no where as well known as sheila Nil Einne (talk) 06:57, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

One side of my family has roots in Ireland. Young women in general can be referred to using the name "Colleen" (see for example here). "Colleen" can also be heard used that way often in Irish folk songs such as "Star of the County Down", "Dear Old Donegal", "The Bard of Armagh", "Kitty Magee", etc. I've never heard "Ashley" being used that way.--William Thweatt ^Talk^Contribs 01:17, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

October 1

Guts in the US

Does America have any Korean shamans that perform guts? ατόνος (talk) 21:55, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Guts are song and dance rites performed by Korean shamans, involving offerings and sacrifices to gods and ancestors. Here is an Illustrated article about a gut in South Korea. A New York Times article reports that "Under the pro-American military governments of the 1970s, there were shamans [in South Korea] who took General Douglas MacArthur as their deity. When MacArthur's spirit possessed them, they donned sunglasses, puffed on a pipe and uttered sounds that some clients took for English." I have not traced any gut performances in America. DroneB (talk) 00:15, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

October 3

autism spectrum and its behavior

what is autism spectrum and its behavior? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.109.150.91 (talk) 15:39, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read Autism spectrum? Please let us know if you have a more specific question that article and the others it links to don't address. Rojomoke (talk) 15:47, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source of Relationship Information

What sources are used for relationship information of living people? For example, while marriages and family are pretty common knowledge and often acknowledged in published biographies or articles, what sources can be used for people who are dating? It often seems like I see that information on Wikipedia but no where else. Are there specific guidelines in regards to sources for relationships or does it fall under the same guidelines as other biographical information?159.142.146.1 (talk) 17:30, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It has to be reliably sourced, just like anything else in Wikipedia articles. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:58, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, though I'm sure this is an area we struggle with (among many!). People who follow celebrities have an intense interest in who is dating whom and there is no end of speculation in tabloids about that topic. That conjecture sometimes sneaks into Wikipedia articles. If you see such claims and they do not have a reference to a reliable source, you may remove those claims (or find a source yourself and cite it). Much of that stuff constitutes trivia anyway. Matt Deres (talk) 12:51, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

October 4

Copyright Question

Would I haft to get a supplementary registration if I merged two chapters into one during an edit. Would the two merged chapters still be protected by the existing copyright? ατόνος (talk) 18:51, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Two chapters of what? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:01, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Two chapters of my book. ατόνος (talk) 20:04, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If it's your own work, what's the problem? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've heard that if you add a chapter then a supplementary registration is required to cover the added work, so would I need one if I merged two chapters? ατόνος (talk) 20:53, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The answer will depend on the copyright laws of whatever country you're in. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:56, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How about America. ατόνος (talk) 21:15, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What "registration" process in America are you specifically referring to? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:20, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The registration process of the U.S Copyright Office, it's a website that deals with this sorta thing. 𓃝𓃵𓃶 (talk) 21:22, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What did they tell you when you asked them? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:25, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not much, just that added chapters or paragraphs wouldn't be covered by the existing copyright. déhanchements (talk) 21:32, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Example: say I take chapter 5's contents and place them at the end of chapter 1. déhanchements (talk) 00:33, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The very site www.copyright.gov says in their FAQ When is my work protected? Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. Do I have to register with your office to be protected? No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section “Copyright Registration.” So are you going to bring a lawsuit? 194.174.73.80 (talk) 11:40, 5 October 2018 (UTC) Marco Pagliero Berlin "[reply]

October 5

Wikitext references on personal wiki (installed on my own computer and already operational).

Dear kind wikipedia reference librarian,

I have spent the last two hours using a combination of google and wikipedia searches to try to get an answer to the following question, however, I want to give you appropriate context:

1) I've installed a personal wikitext based wiki on my computer.

2) I am a student of politics and government.

Therefore, I am trying to find a way to format citations (using whatever part of the wikitext language necessary) to write citations in APSA style. I've been fooling around by trying different references tools on wikipedia and I think I may have found the only possible option. Here is my messy example below:

Here he is speaking at the ''Heritage Foundation'' speaking on the same topic. <ref>[[#2017. C-SPAN.|2017. ''C-SPAN.'' "Separation of Powers." https://www.c-span.org/video/?436265-1/judge-brett-kavanaugh-speaks-separation-powers-2017]]</ref>

Which will render as following:

Here is he speaking at the Heritage Foundation speaking on the same topic.^[1]

Is there a plugin, extension, different wikitext code I must learn, or something else? Do I have to customize it each time? One of my intentions in using this personal wiki is to use what I think is called "metadata" that is used in ordinary wikipedia articles. That is, copying and pasting a "template" and then filling out the fields for example:

{{cite book |last1=Ritter |first1=R. M. |date=2003 |title=The Oxford Style Manual |page=1 |publisher=Oxford University Press |isbn=978-0-19-860564-5}}}}

Thank you for your time and attention,

David Davidson (David's son) III Esq.

^ 2017. C-SPAN. "Separation of Powers." https://www.c-span.org/video/?436265-1/judge-brett-kavanaugh-speaks-separation-powers-2017

[1] ttps://quotemelon.com/creativity-quotes/

[2] 2017. C-SPAN. "Separation of Powers." https://www.c-span.org/video/?436265-1/judge-brett-kavanaugh-speaks-separation-powers-2017

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