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Name

I'm not sure that this is the best name (the "Kivu Democratic Republic of the Congo" part seems grammatically weird), but I don't know what would be better. Natureium (talk) 22:49, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 DoneNatureium yes your right, I went back and forth on a name, however 1. it needs to say ebola virus outbreak, 2. it should say the country's name, however Im open to any alternative, it is rather long--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:58, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • if the cases move into Rwanda and/or Uganda it should be moved to 2018 Central African Ebola virus outbreak...IMO(should it reach epidemic status then itll be added to List of epidemics)
Does the addition of a sentence about Ituri Province - i.e. now in addition to rather than instead of the refn note - mean this same information is now duplicated? It looks better from my perspective to have this additional sentence instead of the refn. Why is the refn note now necessary? Matilda Maniac (talk) 22:53, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
IMO due to the article title 2018 Kivu Democratic Republic of the Congo Ebola virus outbreak readers might get the impression its only N. Kivu, that's the reason the note is right next to the title and the reader can see it in the 'notes' next to the references(looking ahead, if any case(s) springs up in Uganda, the title would have to be moved, as I indicated above to Natureium )...should you feel strongly about it then revert, but it seems better this way--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 00:21, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the feedback. Hopefully it does not spread any further geographically. Matilda Maniac (talk) 01:17, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
border w/ Uganda--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:57, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is not the name used by most practitioners in he field. More often, it is called the North Kivu Outbreak, North Kivu Province Outbreak, or Greater Kivu Outbreak. These should be added as AKAs. KivuOutbreak (talk) 22:33, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Another example - Someone called it the Mangina Outbreak yesterday. No consensus on name. At least not yet. KivuOutbreak (talk) 22:53, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Graphs(update)

 Done You might want to update your graphs, to show that the outbreak was slowing down, but recently it has gotten worse fast, according to your statistics. Art LaPella (talk) 18:37, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

yes,its getting ugly[1]... Ive been thinking about that(though it may take me some time), thank you Art--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 18:54, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, one single graph is sufficient (the most readable format is that of 2018_Kivu_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo_Ebola_virus_outbreak_cases_and_deaths_graph_v1.png), rather than a combination of 3 graphs in the article with different data sources (2D line/bar, 3D line and 3D bar graphs). 3 graphs does not make sense especially where the data is not common. If one of these graphs is going to be produced/collated off other available data - and not be considered as original research - then a collation off the table of Timeline of reported cases and deaths would seem to be the easiest to maintain (as the data is static and referenced at a particular date). Matilda Maniac (talk) 02:55, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
well bar graphs and line graphs are different and the reader gets more information. As to the graph at the bottom that one shows each individual outbreak(since 1976) in DRC versus the 'growing' new one(hence, a very different graph)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:32, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I think one single graph is best for this article. The less "decorative" the better: we don't need 3D effects to see the information conveyed by the data. A graph that combines the statistics for all the epidemics to date into one chart would certainly be a good idea in a subsection at the Ebola virus disease page, and perhaps we could link to that from each of these graphs' captions. -- The Anome (talk) 12:01, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
in that case ill remove the two upper graphs until we can update them--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:25, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Bar graph...DRC Ebola virus outbreak current Oct 2, 2018 (cases are red/fatalities are black) see above table for references[1]
I think you are missing the point by saying .... until we can update them. The view is to have a single graph, not 3 graphs updated with similar data in different formats. The main contributors to any article should also realize that they do not 'own' the article, and other opinions and formats exist that don't require routing reverting to maintain their editorial view. Matilda Maniac (talk) 12:35, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
please try to understand there have been other EVD outbreaks and that needs a graph separate from the ongoing outbreak, here you can read more about this information to be better able to undertand[2]does not take long to read/comprehend, thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:39, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Line graph..DRC EVD[2][3][4]
Hence comments were about three graphs (two of which you have now hopefully permanently removed) and not four. Perhaps the graph with other EVD outbreaks belongs somewhere else in the article for better effect/impact ? Matilda Maniac (talk)
information Note:ive left a further comment on The Anome page[3] thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:15, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Ozzie10aaaa: The format was far better before your near instant REVERT. You are behaving as if you own the article. Matilda Maniac (talk) 22:05, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
if you can find consensus for that change, I do not agree w/ it, youll need to ask other editors who have contributed to this article,thank you(additionally, would refer you to my prior answer above)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:12, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]



increasing numbers

  • page analysis[4]

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References

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  4. ^ "EBOLA RDC - Evolution de la riposte contre l'épidémie d'Ebola dans la province du Nord Kivu au Jeudi 13 septembre 2018". mailchi.mp. Retrieved 13 September 2018.
  5. ^ "EBOLA RDC - Evolution de la riposte contre l'épidémie d'Ebola dans les provinces du Nord Kivu et de l'Ituri au Dimanche 4 novembre 2018". us13.campaign-archive.com. Retrieved 4 November 2018.

Perhaps the article would benefit from a background section. The history section could be part of it. And the graph is useful. But, a little broader context would be helpful to uninformed readers. KivuOutbreak (talk) 22:49, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Graph format

As pointed out by an expert on Ebola epidemiology, using Comic Sans (or similar) font to representing mortality data is inappropriate. Wikipedia notes that Comic Sans is "intended for use in informal documents and children's materials". 2001:67C:10EC:5783:8000:0:0:5 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:11, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 November 2018

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved per WP:SNOW. L293D (☎ • ✎) 02:36, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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2018 Kivu Democratic Republic of the Congo Ebola virus outbreak → 2018 Kivu Democratic Republic of the Congo ebola virus outbreak – per Zaire ebolavirus, ebola itself is decapped. Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 08:10, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 14 November 2018

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The result of the move request was: Moved --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 03:23, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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2018 Kivu Democratic Republic of the Congo Ebola virus outbreak → 2018 Kivu Ebola outbreak – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. Inowen (nlfte) 07:48, 14 November 2018 (UTC) The name "Kivu" is unique enough and not ambiguous, and a simple title is easier to type and find. PS:Also make 2018 DRC ebola outbreak a redirect.-Inowen (nlfte) 07:47, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is a 2017 Democratic Republic of the Congo Ebola virus outbreak. So similar title may work. Qualitist (talk) 20:48, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
it could, but keep in mind we just had another outbreak 2018 Équateur province Democratic Republic of the Congo Ebola virus outbreak ,lets wait for more opinions...--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:13, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Brycehughes (talk) 18:41, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps Ebola would suffice then. I'm happy either way. Brycehughes (talk) 00:17, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Simple "Ebola" is more common. Qualitist (talk) 00:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
looking at all comments I'll agree(however, bear in mind this could be short lived as Uganda is on high alert[5], any case there would warrant another move)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 00:57, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think if we take Wikipedia precedent, for what it's worth (I know, I know...), in that Kivu requires no disambiguation and Ebola is a redirect to Ebola virus disease, the original move request is probably fine and should perhaps be applied to others of its ilk as well. Brycehughes (talk) 01:28, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Editing and Formatting

This post could benefit from some proper formatting and editing. Right now, the sections appear out of order. And, the narrative does not flow well. KivuOutbreak (talk) 22:01, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors...--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 03:20, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Uganda Case

There probably should be some mention about the suspected case in Uganda yesterday. KivuOutbreak (talk) 22:02, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

several have been mentioned, none have been positive--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:36, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WHO Section

There probably should be a section on the WHO decision not to declare a PHEIC. KivuOutbreak (talk) 22:03, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

it is mentioned in the text--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:35, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Military Debate

This article might benefit from some discussion about the debate over the proper use of military forces in Ebola response. KivuOutbreak (talk) 22:05, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

only important as far as Ebola outbreak and hindering vaccination--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:38, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Characteristics

There probably should be some mention of distinguishing characteristics. This was an often cited section of the CRS report on the West Africa Outbreak. And the current post fails to explicitly address them. KivuOutbreak (talk) 22:40, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

it may be done via consensus depending on how the outbreak progressses--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:10, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First, second, or third?

The end of the introduction should be rewritten to say consistently that this outbreak is the second biggest. It seems to say that it's third ("Currently only two outbreaks in recorded history have had more cases"), first ("the 2018 Kivu Ebola outbreak surpassed the total case count of each that had occurred before") and then second ("becoming the second biggest EVD outbreak ever behind only the West Africa epidemic"). Art LaPella (talk) 17:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

yes your right, Im going to give it a try Art, Id appreciate any help Im not too good with wording--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:52, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That wording resolves my objection above. However I wonder if the November 9 paragraph should be there at all, now that the November 29 paragraph has surpassed it. Any outbreak starts from a single case, and moves up the list of biggest outbreaks. The Black Death article doesn't say "In 1340 it was the 13th biggest epidemic. Next month it became the 12th biggest. 3 weeks later it became the 11th ..." Art LaPella (talk) 19:09, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
ok[6] this goes halfway, it leaves the date it became the biggest in DRC history...--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:48, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2nd biggest EVD

Evolution of the 2014 Ebola outbreak in semiLog plot.

may add this graph now that we're in "semi-uncharted waters"....--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 01:15, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This graph would be useful. Qualitist (talk) 09:14, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

election violence

apparently internet has been cut by DRC gov?[7]--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 03:06, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the following:

Although the Ebola vaccine has had efficacy, a review by Medaglini et al. indicated that "long-term protection is undefined" via the vaccine mechanism.[1]

It seems to me that this info would be better posted at the virus article. Please return if there is not agreement. Gandydancer (talk) 22:53, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

good idea--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:06, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

info removed re vaccine

I've removed the following:

Although the Ebola vaccine has had efficacy, a review by Medaglini et al. indicated that "long-term protection is undefined" via the vaccine mechanism.[2]

It seems to me that this info would be better posted at the virus article. Please return if there is not agreement. Gandydancer (talk) 22:54, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree w/ you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:05, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Oz. BTW, what a great article! I've made a few minor edits to update wording and a few things that a brand new set of eyes sometimes sees, though feel free to revert anything I've done. My main concern here was the tragic way that women are being treated. Besides the unfairness of it, how can one carry out proper ring procedure when some contacts are left out? Goddamn bureaucrats, how I hate them... Gandydancer (talk) 04:16, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Do I smell a reason to SUE??? Let the feeding frenzy begin! :( Art LaPella (talk) 05:06, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
thank you Gandy, I feel the article is better with your editing, yes a new set of eyes is best--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 04:59, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah Oz, I can do the same thing on my own edits when I leave an article for a few weeks and then look back on it. Perhaps you've had the same experience? BTW, I guess the three of us are pretty Ebola-experienced - this looks very, very bad, doesn't it. As bad as the West Coast epidemic was, it looks like this one is going to be worse. Gandydancer (talk) 05:36, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, a break from an article for awhile sometimes helps.... there are two big differences 1. this outbreak is driven by violence, if a vaccine had not existed, IMO it would have surpassed West Africa very easily, 2 the population of Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea is 23 million combined, DRC is approaching 90 million by itself--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:31, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ref

  1. ^ Medaglini, Donata; Santoro, Francesco; Siegrist, Claire-Anne (21 July 2018). "Correlates of vaccine-induced protective immunity against Ebola virus disease". Seminars in Immunology. 39: 65–72. doi:10.1016/j.smim.2018.07.003. ISSN 1096-3618. PMID 30041831. – via ScienceDirect (Subscription may be required or content may be available in libraries.)
  2. ^ Medaglini, Donata; Santoro, Francesco; Siegrist, Claire-Anne (21 July 2018). "Correlates of vaccine-induced protective immunity against Ebola virus disease". Seminars in Immunology. 39: 65–72. doi:10.1016/j.smim.2018.07.003. ISSN 1096-3618. PMID 30041831. – via ScienceDirect (Subscription may be required or content may be available in libraries.)

New Outbreak Without Corresponding Article

In light of recent events in the Congo, discussed in the British Medical Journal's article here [8]. I'd welcome some organization on a new article corresponding to a newer outbreak for discussion. 174.113.101.67 (talk) 13:07, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

this is the article, or am I mistaken in answering your question...--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry I assumed 2018 title name meant it was contained. I'd make a second suggestion, revising the name from 2018 kivu to 2018-2019 Kivu Ebola Outbreak, and perhaps even link reference to the BMJ as its the most recent authoratative report on the disease.174.113.101.67 (talk) 02:01, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I believe a title change is in order, however it may very well be to 'epidemic' plus the date--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 04:08, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yup this sounds reasonable. The incidence rate seems to be accelerating from Dec onward, with this month being particularly notable. Calling it a 2018 Outbreak may be misleading for posterity reasons. 174.113.101.67 (talk) 07:05, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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