Talk:Denuvo

Further allegations of performance problems

https://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2017/06/rime-denuvo-cracked-faster/

Note that Denuvo completely denied there was any performance cost, but the developer of RIME stated that there was a small performance cost, contradicting Denuvo and corroberating some of the claims against it. 217.146.29.74 (talk) 11:41, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Denuvo accused of using unlicensed software

https://torrentfreak.com/denuvo-accused-of-using-unlicensed-software-to-protect-it-anti-piracy-tool-170605/

Probably worth mentioning in the article or something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.79.63.181 (talk) 14:31, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Except that it turns out they were not: http://vmpsoft.com/20170606/vmprotect-and-denuvo-gmbh/ BFeely (talk) 15:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2017

Far Cry 5, Assassin's Creed Origins, Southpark The Fractured But Hole must be added here Connor From Romania (talk) 15:27, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:09, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2017

Dishonored Death of the Outsider has been confirmed through the steam page that it will use denuvo. http://store.steampowered.com/app/614570/Dishonored_Death_of_the_Outsider/ Connor From Romania (talk) 13:18, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) 13:52, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2017

Wolfenstein II The New Colossus will use it, Bethesda Softworks use denuvo in all their products Connor From Romania (talk) 14:53, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Andy W. (talk) 20:05, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2017

Unravel has been cracked : https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackWatch/comments/6l7qtn/unravelsteampunks/ Connor From Romania (talk) 17:07, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — JJMC89 (T·C) 18:28, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

It's Cracking, not "Hacking"

In some of the sections it mentions Cracking as "Hacking" which it's not.

VoxelGG (talk) 19:58, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

It fits the definition. Multiple ones, actually. flarn2006 [u t c] time: 01:09, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2017

Connor From Romania (talk) 05:54, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 12:14, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2017

MrSnailD (talk) 08:16, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 08:59, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Needs updating

This page needs to be updated because a few other games have been cracked.

Such as White Day: A Labyrinth Named School, CODEX cracked it in the first day due to a weak protection found in .dll not the .exe itself. Diszxchat (talk) 15:36, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Because the page was protected, we except admins cannot edit the page. So they have to do that. Diszxchat (talk) 15:38, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Anno 2205 got Denuvo with an update later. Should it be listed?

Anno 2205 did not launch with Denuvo and was cracked by Codex, and then its updates up to version 1.3.

With version 1.4, Denuvo was introduced and none of its updates have been cracked since.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackStatus/comments/48fwrf/new_update_for_anno_2205_is_using_denuvo/

It also has a Denuvo support page and its EULA also mentions it.

http://store.steampowered.com//eula/375910_eula_1

https://support.codefusion.technology/anno2205/

IMO it should be added to the list with a "No" cracked condition but with a citation mentioning that it was cracked before getting Denuvo.

Ideas?

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2017

Life is Strange: Before the Storm is confirmed cracked. I just downloaded it. Louisiana22 (talk) 08:23, 1 September 2017 (UTC) Louisiana22 (talk) 08:23, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Winged Blades of Godric^{On leave} 09:32, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Life is Strange: Before the Storm

Before the Storm was reportedly cracked. The entry needs to be changed from "no" to "yes".

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackWatch/comments/6xa9p3/life_is_strange_before_the_storm_episode_1/

Damn it. I should have gotten credit. lol. 71.81.34.121 (talk) 08:33, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2017

We can confirm Total War Warhammer 2 has Denuvo protection. Please add it into the list. Source: EULA. 210.129.51.214 (talk) 01:19, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Already done — nihlus kryik  (talk) 02:15, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2017

Pro Evolution Soccer 2018 should be added: https://steamdb.info/app/592580/depots/ At the "Branches" section says it has denuvo Connor From Romania (talk) 14:05, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:55, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Table update

In the table you've got cracked yes/no for information purposes, but should the time it took also be added for information purposes (E.g. 1 week, etc.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.3.143 (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Darkness within 2 removal

So it was noted that Darkness Within 2 was originally set to have denuvo according to review copies, but the developers/publishers have apparently decided against using it and the version that got released to the public didn't have it.

Wouldn't this make the game a entry of "List of games formerly using Denuvo" considering it used to have it prior to release? Or is the list for only games that removed it after release? This event is kind of unique so i'm unclear on whether it should.

signed 83.81.35.130 (talk) 08:54, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2017

Please change the cracked status on South Park The Fractured But Whole from 'No' to 'Yes'

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackWatch/comments/775o0v/southparkthefracturedbutwholecodepunks/ Ryanch94 (talk) 12:41, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Reddit is not a reliable source. SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 16:06, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Opening quote

Why does the article start with this quote: "Denuvo's marketing director Thomas Goebl stated that some console-only releases get PC releases due to this technology."

It's like the most positive argument thinkable in favor of the DRM, which just happens to be at the top of the article. That does not give the article a neutral POV.

I propose we move this to a different part of the article, or remove it altogether if it's irrelevant. Buuun (talk) 16:15, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

If no one has an objection to it then I will remove this opening quote. Buuun (talk) 17:47, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

You suggested to move this to a different part of the article, which I did but then you removed it anyway? – Steel 19:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

That edit was not visible to me when I edited it. What's your reasoning for keeping such a quote? Buuun (talk) 21:33, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018

Under controversies: an example of some of the problems people can face when installing games with Denuvo. http://www.karldrinkwater.uk/2017/01/denuvo-and-dodgy-drm.html 94.30.11.224 (talk) 13:35, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: not a reliable source. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 13:59, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Denuvo 4.8 bypass

As of yesterday (22nd January 2018) a bypass for Denuvo 4.8 exists. That'd make it possible to crack games like Assassin's Creed:Origin and others. Please update the article.

Source: https://hexus.net/gaming/news/industry/114527-denuvo-48-anti-tamper-drm-tech-gets-bypass-crack/

KajTorvaldGrey (talk) 08:08, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2018

Change "Star Ocean: The Last Hope" cracked status to YesYes Viragoxv535 (talk) 14:28, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:01, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2018

Star Ocean: The Last Hope Viragoxv535 (talk) 14:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  Ivecos (t) 16:40, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Addition to games that have Denuvo in them.

Game named Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet (released 2/23/2018) apparently has Denuvo V5 in it and it should be added to the list of games that have Denuvo in them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AinoaOikeaJaKaikkitietävä (talk • contribs) 20:39, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

DRM cracking is revolutionary?

'In February 2018, CPY cracked Assassin's Creed Origins successfully, after almost 3 months of the game's release.[24] This achievement could prove revolutionary in PC gaming, as the game had the latest Denuvo v4.9 which had never been bypassed before.'

The enthusiasm is admirable but I'm not entirely sure how 'revolutionary' DRM getting broken is as far as PC gaming goes. 86.29.153.215 (talk) 15:01, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

I've removed this text. – Steel 17:48, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Missing info, needs expansion

Someone removed all info about the first games that were cracked with v4.9 and v5.0 protection. As is this article is missing critical and latest information. I don't see any use for the last paragraph under "History" if we do not include any info about the latest versions of Denuvo and their effectiveness or lack thereof. Please if you think that the article was not written properly, whoever removed it, re write it as you see fit. 94.66.56.196 (talk) 19:03, 15 April 2018 (UTC)purple

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2018

Far Cry 5 has been cracked, source:https://www.xrel.to/game-nfo/1559102/Far-Cry-5-CPY.html Jackevans01 (talk) 19:17, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 19:46, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Notability of the list?

Is there a reason that the Wikipedia article on this product has a comprehensive list of games using it, as well as a one-stop shop for crack status, when this isn't done for all the other DRM and anti-tamper products currently or formerly on the market? 2604:6000:1509:C01F:B0E8:1DDB:E894:7F31 (talk) 12:23, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2018

I have found some grammatical and spelling problems with a sentence in the Controversy section of this article.

Other issues with Denuvo in July 2018 in game Sonic Mania Plus, The Develpoer Sega released a new update for Sonic Mania that features a new version of the Denuvo anti-tamper tech, causing runs slower to legitmate owner"

should be changed to

"Another issue with Denuvo appeared in July 2018 in the game Sonic Mania Plus. The developer Sega released a new update for Sonic Mania that features a new version of the Denuvo anti-tamper tech. According to legitimate users, this new change hace caused massive framerate drops due to excessive hard drive writing." TranceWarp (talk) 13:55, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done, thanks! ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2018

Regalized (talk) 14:39, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done - Blank request. GAB^gab 14:41, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Lords of the Fallen now has a Denuvo-free version

See https://www.gog.com/news/release_lords_of_the_fallen_game_of_the_year_edition So it needs an entry on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo#List_of_games_formerly_using_Denuvo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.35.40.230 (talk) 12:39, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay i'm calm down now

Okay, Assassin's Creed remove Denuvo (confirmed), how about two game Hitman 2 and Football Manager 19 on steam page they not remove Denuvo.

and Next this about to all. This realy need That Box ? this will make other me and him (edit war). Hope you all think again about the box. i'm just suggest to remove, because box already on reddit site and 100% Trusted.

first i make this account to help denuvo page with my low english grammar, now i found like this very disappoint me. and you will never found me again See ya! Redgars, --Lost memory (talk) 12:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

List of Games

Thoroughly unencyclopedic and poorly sourced content was restored here by an SPA, Ska4okserver1, with an incomprehensible edit summary, "This not interestic (talk)". I'll repeat my reasons for removing 70k worth of content: a. without solid secondary sourcing there is no good reason to assume that a game's using this software is noteworthy at all: go through the list and you'll see that many if not all of the references are primary, to the manufacturer's website, and thus cannot prove this is worth mentioning; b. the sourcing for whether something was hacked or not is on the other end of the spectrum--independent (in the cases I looked at) but unreliable, since they're all forums and websites. I mean, we're talking about stuff like this, a picture on Reddit.

It is ironic that I cannot restore my edit since the article is protected right now because of a dispute over whether this, a kind of forum post, is reliable. As with too many such articles on Wikipedia, we have veered into Wikia territory, with a few editors claiming a kind of OWNership in order to maintain an encyclopedically useless list with amateurish sourcing. Drmies (talk) 15:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Games that cracked by scene and listed as 'non-scene crack'

there are some games that have cracked by scene and still presented as 'non scene crack' also i changed it myself and someone change them back. the list is as follows: Dead Rising 4 Conan Exiles Dragon Quest Heroes II Transroad: USA Injustice 2 Puyo Puyo Tetris — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.191.232.70 (talk) 13:58, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Stuff that needs an edit or two

1) "According to legitimate users, this new change has caused massive framerate drops due to excessive hard drive writing"

The above is inaccurate. The original source of the the cracker Voksi, whom used the verb "writing" in the context of "causes Denuvo to continue writing in its section until the game is closed." This does not mean that the game performs writes on >the HDD< of all things. It might just as well perform writes in the memory sections that corresponds to Denuvo, which is vastly more likely. Based on my own extensive testing Denuvo *never* performs writes or reads to the disk after it have loaded the offline token from the drive either, since it stores everything it needs in the memory.

2) "List of games formerly using Denuvo"

That section lists three games as having "removed" Denuvo, which haven't happened. The sources for those claims are random blog posts discussing how the game have been cracked. Please remove them from said list:

• Football Manager 2019
• Assassin's Creed Odyssey
• Hitman 2

3) Hitman 2 and "Bad Crack"

The status of this "bad crack" is open for question unless something have changed. Hitman 2 was always designed to have a free prologue, and this fact when put in relation to FCKDRM's crack only granting access to said prologue mission makes it seem less of a crack and more of a... well.. early access to the existing free prologue of the game. FCKDRM's own comment mentions how they only used a general Steam emulator, and as such they basically just bypassed the release date restriction of the game and accessed the demo (the free prologue mission) itself and nothing more. I would recommend changing the "status" of said crack to No instead.

Aemony (talk) 20:47, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

How does it work in detail?

Didn't find any information about it in the article. --134.3.80.238 (talk) 09:34, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Just Cause 4

https://www.xrel.to/game-nfo/1717357/Just-Cause-4-CPY.html Does anyone got a source why it is tagged as Bad Crack? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.93.102.210 (talk) 23:14, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Nope maybe wrong tag "Bad crack". --i'm invincible 15:44, 12 December 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nevertrashtalk (talk • contribs)

Poorly sourced material

It was no reliable sources given for whether the game was "cracked" or not. xrel is a community based website where everyone can upload nfo files (if you have a user account), one could fake such an nfo file. It is therefore not a reliable source as of WP:UGC. I do not see how this can be an accurate proof whether a game is cracked or not since this site does not offer any cracks, they just have (easy to fake) nfo files. Notice about not reliable source exist since August 2016 but has been ignored by authors. That information are reliable and accurate is the base for everything else. Of course if would be useful if there were reliable information whether a game is cracked or not. But these do not exist right now. And just making something up is no solution either. So I had no other choice than to take action and remove this questionable information, resp. to keep the column but remove the unreliable sources there (which were most of them). But please if you have any other provable information about this xrel site than I have let me know. --TheRandomIP (talk)

then Why even bother to list cracked or not if only news can be reliable source? might as well just remove that useless column, people who are interested can just google to find out if it's cracked — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.125.190.97 (talk)

Agreed with the previous poster; currently, the column, at best, does not add much to the article, and, at worst, misinforms (since the lack of an entry in the column may suggest that a crack never existed). Since a poorly source list that ends up nigh-empty once WP:UGC is enforced seems more like cruft to me than anything else, I've went ahead and removed the column from both tables in the article. It's not Wikipedia's job to inform users whether a software has been cracked or not; there are plenty ways for them to find that out on their own, and it does not have much of a bearing on how Denuvo functions as software. --Pascal40 (talk) 12:28, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Totally agree. In my initial edits I even removed the column completely but then some other editor said he thinks this is "valuable information". So I thought he might be satisfied if I keep the column but remove the poorly sourced information only as he might be willing to find better sources for the missing entries then. Turns out he wasn't. He wasn't interested in accurate information at all. Pascal40, thanks for finally removing the column which was my initially preferred solution. --TheRandomIP (talk)

Surely it is relevant to a page about a particular DRM technology to include information on whether or not it actually performed its intended purpose or not, i.e. not broken. Similarly to how a page about "high-tech" security locks on doors would include information on whether or not these were easily defeated (and when) and thus informing the reader that 'No, this isn't a solution'. Without information on the downsides and failure to perform its function, this page reads more like a PR brochure.

If information is poorly sourced it should be marked as such not totally deleted, that's just irresponsible. Wherever game was cracked or not IS valuable information. So in my (random's guy) opinion it should be preserved.