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Controversies

Can I ask the point of having any controversies on Persson's wiki? The ones listed are not substantial at all. If the number of people viewing or complaining about something is the tool of measurement for being considered than surely those listed aren't even among the top 10% of Persson's most popular posts. For instance when Persson was implementing a new moon texture the community was literally split in half whether it should be round or square. I'm sure this story is on a Minecraft page somewhere, but as far as controversies go, this is probably the biggest of them all. An outstanding amount of people discussed these changes. Furthermore, everyone has the right to an opinion (even if it's a bad one). If you read Persson's personal blog there are surely many discussion topics that many people would disagree with. No one thought to choose a controversial programming topic? Such as whether or not voxel based games would become a future technology? That was a heated discussion in the day. The page doesn't describe Persson's technological contributions to computer programming either. Nor does the page describe his education. Are Wikipedia writers seriously this politically biased to choose a one sentence twitter post that doesn't describe why he believes what he does? It doesn't describe the limits of his opinion. Where it may apply, or where it may not. Persson seems to be a reasonable man that changes his opinions if someone has a wise and thoughtful argument. It's obvious he feels that the (I dunno what to call it) "anti-white" movement? has some flaws. Are you to suppose that this movement has done "nothing wrong"? Or better yet, have they done "everything right" and therefore voids all criticism? This is important as to properly establish a full story. Perhaps controversy is properly within scope, but it feels like each section of the whole article tells 0.1% of his story. Picking on his twitter rather than his blog where he explains his opinions in detail is a cowardly way to write articles. In 2014 this page explained a controversy about Electronic Arts. If that topic isn't suitable for this page now. Was it ever suitable? If not, then how is the controversy section ever suitable? "Starting around 2017, Persson began receiving criticism for political and social opinions he expressed on Twitter" This is wholly incorrect. Persson has been discussing with his fans on his blog and twitter since Minecraft development began (I didn't start following him until about infdev so I don't know about before then). He gave many political, technological, and religious opinions over the years that many disagree with. Or is the author assuming that only criticism from the "media" matters? Nobody cares about the media's opinion. They never followed Persson throughout the development of his game. They don't have the experience to have an opinion in these matters. Nor did the person who wrote that sentence know the "historical background".

If anything the controversy section tells readers what to believe about the negative side of Persson. This article doesn't quote another article that called Persson "lazy" when he didn't provide Minecraft updates fast enough. It doesn't call him "lazy" when he no longer had the effort to finish 0x10c. It describes the event in an unbiased manner and moves on (As it should). If anything, this page should criticize Microsoft for not recognizing the difference between personal opinion and business. To an extent: Minecraft was only popular during development due to the excitement of following the developers in the adventure of discovery. Notch gathered a community around himself. It's obvious that Microsoft only cares about the monetary value of Minecraft and never understood the relation between Notch and his community. Without Notch there is no Minecraft. Obviously he chose to leave Mojang before Microsoft decided to remove his name from the game. I'm simply trying to describe that this article barely touches the surface and can ask much deeper questions. How did Notch create and effect his community? How did he become popular? Do people like his social media personality? How did people challenge Persson's opinions during development (where it actually mattered) compared to now post-development. How did Notch's "wackyness" or creative ideas effect his platform? When I read a Biography about Chopin it described who he was as a person. It brought Chopin's story to life. Persson's story is full of interesting, creative, and fun details.

Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.255.181.151 (talk) 22:14, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2015

Personal Life should be expanded to include: "In June 2015, it was confirmed by medical professionals that Markus Persson has a heart. Source https://twitter.com/notch/status/608916506697678848 80.113.156.22 (talk) 12:19, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Unimportant nonsense. -- ferret (talk) 12:53, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2016: spelling

"MEGA4kMAN" should be changed to "MEG4kMAN" because that's the correct spelling. If you look it up, you will find many sources to prove this. 64.180.193.247 (talk) 05:32, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:54, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2016

Add minecraft.net to his website


72.200.128.193 (talk) 01:09, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: It's not his personal website. -- ferret (talk) 01:55, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2016

Notch's website (notch.net) should be added to the External Links section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeoSpica (talk • contribs) 10:37, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This website is already listed on the sidebar of this page. In some ways, I wonder if perhaps the entire "External Links" section ought to be simply removed altogether? It should be pointed out that the Notch.net website doesn't really have much in the way of content right now, as all of the content that used to be there has now been moved to the Tumbler site instead. --Robert Horning (talk) 18:52, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A single primary topic's website is fine. But the rest don't provide any further encyclopedic content about the subject. I don't know what our stance on IMDB links is exactly, but it has almost no info there. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:32, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The minecraft.net used to be much more about Mr. Persson back when Mojang or for that matter Minecraft was just a single person sole proprietorship with no employees. With the expansion of Mojang and then the subsequent sale of that company to Microsoft, it really doesn't have much at all to do with him except as a source of some historical information. The same thing could be said about his appearance on the Craig Ferguson Late Late Show appearance and the rest of the IMDB info so far as it is information that is really good original source material that can be used for this article, but really doesn't have much to do with the topic at the moment. --Robert Horning (talk) 10:19, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2017

Let me get acces to tour editing pl im å big fan of minecraft. Caleb brown (talk) 09:52, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Bishonen | talk 15:33, 16 March 2017 (UTC).[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2017

I think "Residence" should be changed to Stockholm. According to Markus himself, he spends a "large majority" in his apartment in Stockholm and uses his house in LA for "vacations and parties". Here is the Reddit comment where he wrote this, it's in Swedish though: https://www.reddit.com/r/sweden/comments/5tywxx/disney_bryter_med_pewdiepie_efter_grova_skämt_om/ddqgtet/ 2.248.176.164 (talk) 23:54, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done While interesting, Reddit threads do not generally meet the standards for what are considered reliable sources and therefore are not usually accepted to support changes under the biographies policy. Thank you. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:49, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I understand, though it's definitely his own account, which he has proven multiple times. Can you at least add a "Citation needed" on his residence? 2.248.176.164 (talk) 12:30, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of BLP Primary Sources

I recommend that the primary sources tag on this article should be removed. Out of 40+ references, only 10 of them are primary sources - clearly the majority are 3rd party.

Robert The Rebuilder (talk) 11:41, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's not about majority, it's about having them at all. Ideally, we want 0 primary sources. We want to replace them with reliable independent secondary sources, or remove them altogether. Twitter posts is something we want to avoid, but so far no one has invested the time to improve the sourcing. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 11:51, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why basic primary sources for things like a birth day would be an issue. WP:BLPPRIMARY doesn't seem to forbid them, just the usual cautions plus a few examples about public records that should not be used. Almost all of the primary sources deal with just a couple of basic facts, birth day, place of birth, and twitter handle (which is an important alias that came directly from twitter). -- ferret (talk) 11:57, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Then we need to apply the tag to the article on J. K. Rowling, because it uses over 10 primary sources as references, including her personal blog and tweets. Or, we can agree that it is about majority. Your call. Robert The Rebuilder (talk) 13:52, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, pretty much. It got the FA star way back in 2007, and the standards have increased a lot since then. In fact, at the time of promotion, there weren't many primary sources. Most new ones were added since. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 14:45, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
(bump) I didn't check to see how the article was in 2017, but as it stands now, it's all primary sources all the time. Wikipedia:PRIMARYNEWS has some surprising facts: newspaper and magazine stories, such as contemporary accounts, eye-witness reports, investigative reports, interviews, etc., are primary sources. Secondary sources would be those which provide analysis, and are often written long after the fact. So in reality, pretty much all of our BLPs deserve a "{{Primary sources}}" tag. This is affirmed by the documentation for the template. 2600:8800:1880:FC:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 07:31, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2017

Can Stockholm be added as residence alongside Beverly Hills? Markus owns the most expensive flat in Stockholm[1]

He also said on his Reddit account that he spends a "large majority" of his time in Stockholm and only uses his American house for "vacations and parties", but Reddit is apparently not a good enough source despite it being confirmed as his account, but I respect this. 2.248.176.164 (talk) 17:35, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: The article doesn't clearly say that he's moved in to the flat. Just that he bought it. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:08, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
But the source for him living in Beverly Hills says the exact same thing. 2.248.176.164 (talk) 20:34, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.thelocal.se/20140609/swedens-most-ex

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There is a reference to Skyrim's Notched Pickaxe. They should also be a reference to Notched Axe from The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth game, which is also named after him. Source: https://bindingofisaacrebirth.gamepedia.com/Notched_Axe

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP (talk • contribs) 04:38, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Twitter controversies undue?

This biography seems too high-profile to mention a few Twitter stories which were mentioned in one or two RS each. wumbolo ^^^ 07:31, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's notable to mention it. There doesn't need to be paragraph after paragraph of everything controversial he's said. But the page should give the impression that he's stirred up some trouble. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LebanoGranado (talk • contribs) 13:15, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If all that came out of his twitter posts were a couple RSes that noted the issue, that's far too trivial on a BLP to include. --Masem (t) 13:23, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I know User:Wumbolo just removed some unnecessary language here, though I do want to point out that Microsoft has explicitly said that Notch is not part of the 10th aniversary for his social media behavior which does not align with MS or Mojang, and this has been included and sourced in the article. Specific tweets of issue are not necessary. --Masem (t) 23:16, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References to Notch were removed from Minecraft

References to him were removed from Minecraft because of his backward views on stuff.[1]151.213.211.117 (talk) 01:42, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

we dont know why they were removed (but guesses are easy). I've added this at least for now but that we're waiting for MS to comment. --Masem (t) 01:57, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.pcgamer.com/latest-minecraft-update-quietly-scrubs-references-to-notch/

Semi-protected edit request, 29 March 2019

  1. Please remove the speculation about Microsoft's motive. The Kotaku writer does not even say "I believe it is because of this."
  2. Accordingly, please move the paragraph under the "Minecraft" section, because it is about the development of Minecraft, according to the facts on hand. 2600:8800:1880:FC:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 07:22, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 07:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Racism

"In November 2017, Persson was criticized for posting a tweet that read, "It's ok to be white." In follow-up tweets, he said he believed privilege is a "made up metric." Critics of Persson said his message was "tone-deaf" and "ignorant"; The Root called the tweets a "white-privilege meltdown."[41]"

This is racist. It's completely disregarding his message on account of his skin color. I feel like the last sentence should be removed.

~~Bob~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8802:5100:3600:80C1:7E81:5E14:F018 (talk) 04:44, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2019

Add 'The Binding of Isaac' Pop culture reference. source: https://bindingofisaacrebirth.gamepedia.com/Notched_Axe DrDagz (talk) 10:30, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. We cannot use user-generated Wiki as a source. Good sources for video games are listed here. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:36, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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