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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 84.46.52.84 (talk) at 14:00, 24 December 2019 (init bot archiving as on Talk:Second-wave feminism). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.


quotations vs. apostrophes

Use two apostrophes to produce italics for names of films, publications, etc. Use quotes around direct quotes. You shouldn't need to use both very often. valereee (talk) 20:11, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

valereee Thank you for the explanation! LorriBrown (talk) 02:05, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
LorriBrown, you're welcome! I see you've been getting help from multiple editors, that's great. Thank you for disclosing your COI. valereee (talk) 10:24, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicated References

Hi David notMD Thank you again for the help editing on the draft:Kent Tate! I did want to clarify that the two references that you edited are actually two separate references, let me explain: the web link to GalleriesWest magazine for KT "Movies for a Pulsing Earth" refers to the on-line post of the curatorial essay by AGSC curator, Kim Hougtaling; the other citation refers to an exhibition publication which includes an essay written by Jeff Nye "The Hypnosis of Time" (2012); the (same) curatorial essay by Kim Houghtaling, an exhibition photo and several video stills by KT, an artist Bio for KT (including a reference to the 2015 YFF award that was deleted in separate edit). I wanted to ask you, with this clarification would it be acceptable to list these citations separately? And to replace the AGSC citation for YFF? Additionally, would it make sense to separately list the essay by Jeff Nye in the Further Reading section? LorriBrown (talk) 03:00, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First, if in fact two different references, feel free to reverse my edit. Or replace. However, at this point, I suggest doing no more editing, and waiting for the next reviewer. My feeling is that you are too close to the topic, and therefore cannot stop tweeking it. The reason I cut so much last week is to bring it in line with an encyclopedia entry in tone, and not so much a CV dump. The more added to External Links and Further Reading, the more likely the next reviewer will decline the submission. Too many references per factual statement is not a plus. David notMD (talk) 03:08, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
David notMD Okay, I get that. I'll leave it alone. Actually your editing made for a much better article. There are some things that have bothered me that I don't understand which is how to properly reference page numbers. I did change several citations to (correct or maybe not) to indicate the page number(s) of the referenced article and then the total No. of pages in the publication. I suppose I should have asked how & if it is necessary. Another thing that was bugging me was inside the citations I had originally added quotes & italics (which I worried was incorrect) so I tried to clean that up too but probably should have left it alone.
I have been scanning living person biographies in hope of educating myself on the good and the bad. At this juncture I find it very confusing. The articles are all are all over the map and I am still trying to grasp the why. Some have very few references and others long lists but no references. Some really do read like a resume pages. Your suggestions and the editing and pairing down of the KT page makes perfect sense. I am interested in editing but am concerned that my attention could trigger an article deletion. For example, Brian Fawcett. This article has only one link and it doesn't work properly. I would like to fix it. Sorry to digress.LorriBrown (talk) 05:02, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please insert the image into this template please and post to the KT article

Hello Lotje, Thank you for posting the picture to the KT article. Would you mind posting this Infobox with the image inserted into it. I would do it myself;however, best not as I have a COI. Thanks!! :- ) LorriBrown (talk) 06:16, 5 May 2019 (UTC) [reply]

Extended content
Kent Tate
Kent Tate
Born
Rivers, Manitoba
NationalityCanadian
WebsiteKent Tate
Fixed assuming that COI-requests are the same idea as Semi-protected requests, i.e., just do it if it is no nonsense, broadly construed (= not limited to policy violations or vandalism.) While at it I added a {{lede too long}}, this BLP needs a body. For a bio-stub one statement in the lede mirroring main points of the body would do. For a non-stub the lede consists of two to four paragraphs depending on the size of the page, for details see WP:LEDE. –84.46.52.84 (talk) 12:39, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved
 – by David notMD, thanks. –84.46.52.84 (talk) 13:00, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can you add this award to KT's article?

Can someone please add this award to KT's article: Velocity Kent Tate Shortlisted and Category Winner Experimental in the Walthamstow International Film Festival, London, UK. Here are a couple references to support this achievement: The Walthamstow International Film Festival 2019 Winners Announcement Canadian Filmmakers Distribution Centre: AWARDS Congrats to all the filmmakers! Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 21:20, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Theroadislong Can you help me please as to how to update the KT article to include this award. I would like to improve the article but am not sure exactly how to go about doing that. Can you help direct/instruct me? Thanks!LorriBrown (talk) 21:37, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't look like a notable award? Theroadislong (talk) 21:41, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
JFTR, at the moment the Walthamstow International Film Festival has an article with sections incl. winners in different categories, e.g., a wikilink to Kent Tate with a primary source in #2019 WIFF. –84.46.52.84 (talk) 13:19, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved
 – covered in #Awards. –84.46.52.84 (talk) 13:19, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request edit on 2 July 2019

Subject: Kent Tate is a Canadian artist and filmmaker living in British Columbia. He creates single-channel video and multi-channel video installations.

  • Information to be added or removed:

Velocity Winner 'Experimental', 2019 Walthamstow International Film Festival, London, UK.

  • Explain in clear words what needs to be changed about the article. Add a suggestion for the changes that can be copy-pasted by the editor if you can:

Please add this award to Kent Tate's article: Velocity Winner Experimental, 2019 Walthamstow International Film Festival, London, UK. This film festival was in June 2019 in Walthamstow a North East district of London, England. It is organized by E17 Films and was founded in 2010. KT was awarded the Winner of the category 'Experimental' in this short film festival in June 2019.

  • Provide links to sources which support any claims made:

Here are two references - The Walthamstow International Film Festival 2019 Winners Announcement this reference from the festival's website; and Canadian Filmmakers Distribution Centre: AWARDS Congrats to all the filmmakers! this is an announcement in the Canadian Filmmakers Distribution Centre's Summer newsletter. The CFMDC was formed in 1967 and is a leading film distributor in Canada. Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 23:21, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 03-JUL-2019

  Clarification requested  

  1. Please provide the WikiLink for the requested award. Awards which have a WikiLink will have their own articles on Wikipedia. By showing that the award has its own article, the award demonstrates notability.[a]
  2. When ready to proceed with the requested information, kindly change the {{request edit}} template's answer parameter to read from |ans=yes to |ans=no. Thank you!

Regards,  Spintendo  18:55, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

  1. ^ While notability is not strictly a content requirement, many editors look to it to provide guidance on whether information which is controversial in nature should be added to an article. As awards are given by one group of individuals to another of individuals for reasons which may be seen as subjective to the awarding group alone, this type of content can be viewed as controversial.

Request edit on 24 July 2019

Could you please replace the current info box (top) with the updated info box (bottom):

Extended content
Kent Tate
Kent Tate
Born
Rivers, Manitoba
NationalityCanadian
WebsiteKent Tate
Kent Tate
Kent Tate - Filming active lava flows Hawaii Volcanoes National Park, Hawaii
Born
Rivers, Manitoba
NationalityCanadian
Notable workIsolated Gestures
Awards2015 Yorkton Film Festival Golden Sheaf 'Ruth Shaw' Award
WebsiteKent Tate

Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 16:14, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 25-JUL-2019

  Edit request implemented    Spintendo  21:27, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Spintendo Would you be able to include the notable work Isolated Gestures which is the short film that won the award as well as the award this film won which is the 2015 Yorkton Film Festival Golden Sheaf 'Ruth Shaw' Award in the KT info box?LorriBrown (talk) 22:12, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Extended content
Kent Tate
Kent Tate - Filming active lava flows Hawaii Volcanoes National Park, Hawaii
Born
Rivers, Manitoba
NationalityCanadian
Notable workIsolated Gestures
Awards2015 Yorkton Film Festival Golden Sheaf 'Ruth Shaw' Award
WebsiteKent Tate

Not done The Ruth Shaw Award is not independently notable in Wikipedia. The reasoning behind having the notability of awards being demonstrated is in my earlier reply. Regards,  Spintendo  08:39, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Spintendo On the Wikipedia page for Yorkton Film Festival there is section no. 7 Golden Sheaf Awards that describes there are 19 film categories and three subcategory award sections, including Ruth Shaw (Best of Saskatchewan) Award. If not too much trouble can you show me examples of what you are describing in your reply? Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 21:07, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The article Yorkton Film Festival has zero verifiable content as all the sources are dead links, so is in itself probably not notable, a sub category is even less likely to be notable. Theroadislong (talk) 21:25, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Theroadislong I see... that article really is in poor shape. But if the article actually was supported properly with verifiable sources etc. can you help me understand why the sub categories (specifically) would not likely be notable awards - and why would there be the need for each award to have an independent article for each category. This would be very helpful to have an understanding of how this should be applied to other articles as well. Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 05:40, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request edit on 27 July 2019

Could you please replace the file: Kent-Tate-filming-lava.jpg with either the Thumbnail file : Kent Tate at lava flows |thumb|Kent Tate at lava flows or Image file: Kent Tate at lava flows |Kent Tate at lava flows whichever would be most appropriate for placement in the artist information box at the top of the article. The new file is a larger file 780 x 480 whereas the current file is 300 x 147 and cannot be expanded. Thank you and I appreciate your consideration in completing this request! LorriBrown (talk) 16:38, 28 July 2019 (UTC) [reply]

Extended content
Kent Tate at lava flows

Kent Tate at lava flows

 Done Usedtobecool ✉️ ✨ 19:26, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Ping me if I didn't do it right, ok?Or if there's something else. Or if you have another request. Usedtobecool ✉️ ✨ 19:29, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Usedtobecool Yes, thank you for doing that it is much better with this image! :-) LorriBrown (talk) 21:40, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request edit on 3 November 2019

Please Modify ref [2] “Marchand” in Kent Tate article as detailed on the User talk:LorriBrown/Draft page — Preceding unsigned comment added by LorriBrown (talk • contribs) 16:44, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LorriBrown, are you trying to reference a physical print magazine, the relevant text of which coincidentally, also happened to be available online, and that is the URL that's currently there? Usedtobecool TALK ✨ 18:43, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Usedtobecool I think you're correct, as the print magazine Galleries West, which was distributed through art galleries three times a year, moved to a digital model in 2016. If that is so, the print version need not be preferred over the reproduced online text, which is more easily accessible. I'm assuming that since page 24 was reproduced, such will be the case for page 26. Regards,  Spintendo  19:27, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Spintendo Thank you! I apologize that I forgot to sign my previous edit request... The url is a link to the on-line version of this Galleries West magazine article. Is this not an appropriate use for the url link? In that case could the url link be removed and then added to the 'Further reading' section? Would it be helpful to see the magazine version? If so can I e-mail it? Thank you! P.S. I hope this is the proper format to respond to the clarification request. LorriBrown (talk) 19:19, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Actually all the page #'s referenced should be to page # 26 if they can be referenced. All the content is on page #26.LorriBrown (talk) 19:38, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Usedtobecool I moved my reply to Spintendo from the reply section below to this section. Yes that is correct. The article was printed at that time in the magazine but also was posted online. I referenced the magazine because I worry that the online version could possible be removed. In this event there would still be reference to the physical magazine version. Is this not correct way to indicate the two versions?LorriBrown (talk) 19:50, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
LorriBrown, I am going to bed right now; we'll discuss it further and find the best way to have the refs safe, if the issue isn't resolved by (my) tomorrow. Regards! Usedtobecool TALK ✨ 20:04, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've archived the content from that URL in case the link becomes unstable. Regards,  Spintendo  18:36, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 03-NOV-2019

  Clarification requested  

  • The reference URL for ref tag number 2 is a webpage containing five paragraphs of text. Thus, the directions to place page number 24 and 26 under ref tag number 2 using the {{RP}} template is unclear, as there is no page 24, 26, or any other page numbers in a single webpage of text. Please clarify, and when ready to proceed with the requested clarification kindly change the {{request edit}} template's answer parameter to read from |ans=yes to |ans=no.
  • The COI editor is additionally reminded of the need to sign all talk page posts using four tildes.

Regards,  Spintendo  18:07, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request edit on 5 November 2019

Please Modify ref [1] "Artists in Canada" in Kent Tate article as detailed on the User talk:LorriBrown/Draft page.

and please also Modify by adding 'Early life' section and proposed changes to Kent Tate article as detailed on the User talk:LorriBrown/Draft page.

Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 03:20, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Edit requests need to be placed in locations which offer a centralized record of what is being asked for. When suggestions are placed on a page that you control — such as your draft page — the record of what is being asked for remains under your control. If this is modified by you at any time in the foreseeable future, questions posed to the reviewer such as "Why was this added?" and "What was requested?" may not be easily answered. It's for this reason that edit request proposals ought to be placed on the talk page. Regards,  Spintendo  10:23, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
spintendo Okay and thank you for your reply. It was suggested to me to create a separate page to work on the changes that I wanted to proposed; however, what I may not have understood was how to present the proposed changes in an edit request...
For me the changes are somewhat complicated and I find that even the simplest change is difficult to explain. Can you help me with how best to present the request in this format? Should each change be requested separately - or - can they be grouped in sections. For me the changes make more sense when viewed in their entirety. On the page I've created I've attempted to detail the difference between the original article and the proposed changes to the article on the User talk:LorriBrown/Draft page. Is way that I've outlined the changes OK? Can I just put the outlined information into the Talk:Kent Tate page? It makes sense that the changes need to be well documented. Should I present each change in a separate request or can I present the changes in sections? Should I present the proposed changed content or should I present the changed content and a detailed explanation? Is the explanation enough or too much detail in your opinion on the User talk:LorriBrown/Draft page? Thank you! Best, LorriBrown (talk) 15:33, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request edit on 5 November 2019

Could you please consider making the following changes outlined on the User talk:LorriBrown/Draft page to 'Modify ref [1] "Artists in Canada" in the Kent Tate article'

Here are my proposed revisions:

Proposed revisions
Ref[1] "Artists in Canada" code current Kent Tate:
 1. Tate, Kent. "Government of Canada: Artists in Canada Reference Library". National Gallery of Canada. Retrieved 17 February 2019.
[1]

Ref[1] "Artists" code proposed User:LorriBrown/Draft page:
1. Tate, Kent. "Government of Canada: Artists in Canada Reference Library". National Gallery of Canada. Retrieved 4 November 2019.
 [2]

Itemized list of changes to reference [2} ""Artists in Canada"':
* change to ref [1] name to: name="Artists" 
* change url to: https://app.pch.gc.ca/application/aac-aic/artiste_detailler_bas-artist_detail_bas.app?rID=33823&fID=2&lang=en
* change: |accessdate=4 November 2019

References

  1. ^ Tate, Kent. "Government of Canada: Artists in Canada Reference Library". National Gallery of Canada. Retrieved 17 February 2019.
  2. ^ Tate, Kent. "Government of Canada: Artists in Canada Reference Library". National Gallery of Canada. Retrieved 4 November 2019.

I would greatly appreciate any help with these revisions. Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 16:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an example for how edit requests should be made. Please note, the template below is not intended for you to copy and replace the information to fit your request. It is shown merely to give you an example of how the different elements are to be included in one request. Please fashion your own when the time comes to submit the request.
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3. Using as the reference:

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Regards,  Spintendo  03:39, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request edit on 6 November 2019

Here are the proposed revisions for this edit request:

Proposed revisions
1.Please remove the url and ref name in reference No.[1] in the middle of the first sentence of the lead section: 
ref name=" Artists in Canada"
ref= Artists in Canada
url=https://app.pch.gc.ca/application/aac-aic/artiste_detailler_av-artist_detail_adv.app?rID=33823&fID=2&lang=en&qlang=en&pID=1&an=tate%2C+kent&sf1=BP&kw1=&con1=AND&sf2=DP&kw2=&con2=AND&mcon=AND&msf=ARRF&misc=&dsf=BDATE&date=&dcp=EQUALS&flcon=AND&flcp1=GREATER_OR_EQUAL&flcp2=LESS_OR_EQUAL&dcon=AND&scon=AND&sex=&acon=AND&auth=&ccon=AND&ctb=&tech=&tcon=AND&fl=&fcon=AND&num=&ncp=EQUALS&sort=AM_ASC&ps=50 |website=www.publications.gc.ca | publisher=National Gallery of Canada |accessdate=17 February 2019 |ref=Artists in Canada}}

2.Please use the following to replace the follow url and ref name in reference No.[1] in the middle of the first sentence of the lead section: 
ref name="Artist-Tate"
ref=Artist-Tate
url=https://app.pch.gc.ca/application/aac-aic/artiste_detailler_bas-artist_detail_bas.app?rID=33823&fID=2&lang=en

3.Please use the following to copy-paste in the middle of the first sentence in the lead section after:  Kent Tate is a Canadian artist
[1]

References

  1. ^ Tate, Kent. "Government of Canada: Artists in Canada Reference Library". National Gallery of Canada. Retrieved 4 November 2019.

Thank you!LorriBrown (talk) 06:38, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have instituted this change. But please be aware, this article is very close if not already in WP:OVERKILL territory. There is an inordinate number of references being crammed into the article. Two sentences in the article contain no less than 6 separate references. There's a reference for where the subject was born, where the subject lives, where the subject grew up. The article in total contains 15 references — that's 6 more in number than there are sentences in the whole article. This is far too many. If only a handful of references can't be used for all of these items then perhaps they shouldn't be included in the article. I would suggest that your efforts be placed into consolidating these references, rather than expanding or updating them. Regards,  Spintendo  07:52, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The article was AfC approved and has already has had much of its content removed from my original draft due to my COI, poor writing skills, and my lack of awareness or understanding of the rules. I now posses a much better understanding and hopefully can demonstrate this in the improvements requested for this article.
Please do not remove references that are unrelated to my requests. When all of the changes have been implement - I think then would be a more constructive time to engage in a conversation about consolidating and/or deleting references. If it is done now it further complicates the improvements I've written, as some added content may refer to these references, etc. I've tried to make a concerted effort to build the article into a more coherent article that hopefully reads better and provides the reader some pertinent information about subject; without being too promotional or advertisement like. We'll see if I have been successful with that endeavor. Your edit to apply WP:OVERKILL rule removes pertinent references that are needed in certain locations and relocates the one remaining reference to unrelated content. This reference is related to performance art. I have access to all of the documents in the references and can provide anything needed. I many cases I've tried to include any links that I've found; although I understand links are not required. I appreciate your effort to implement the edit requests, but from a COI editors POV it is extremely tedious and very frustrating to make multiple requests for the same seemingly simple edit requests and still not succeed in having the changes implemented as intended. I'll accept responsibility but it is still very discouraging. I've observed some COI editors re-write articles and submit the re-written material and the whole article is replaced. Very simple and very quick. Perhaps those COI editors have more experience than I and there are reasons I don't understand as to why their changes can be implemented in this manner. Please try to be patient with me as I make these edit requests as methodically and clearly spelled out as I am able to. When done with this process I will try to better consolidate or replace references in order to appropriately apply the WP:OVERKILL rule.
Please make the following corrections/modifications to the edit changes made in this 'edit request'.
Can you please use the CFMDC reference information to create an external link:
  • Kent Tate on Canadian Filmmaker Distribution Centre
Can you please replace the revised sentence:
During the 1980s and the 1990s, Tate began working in performance, film and video in Toronto and Vancouver before shifting to installation.[1]
Replace that sentence with this sentence:
During the 1980s and the 1990s, Tate began working in performance,[2]: 387  film[3]: 16 [4] and video in Toronto and Vancouver before shifting to installation.[5]
Thank you!LorriBrown (talk) 18:05, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Alain-Marin Richard; Clive Robertson (Oct 1991). Performance In Canada, 1970-1990 (Book). Toronto, Canada: The Coach House Press. p. 387 (pp. 1-395). ISBN 978-2920500044. Retrieved 10 January 2019.
  2. ^ Alain-Marin Richard; Clive Robertson (Oct 1991). Performance In Canada, 1970-1990 (Book). Toronto, Canada: The Coach House Press. pp. 1–395. ISBN 978-2920500044. Retrieved 10 January 2019.
  3. ^ Carrico, Jim (Nov 1983). "Jim Carrico interviews Kent Tate" (magazine). ISSUE. Vol. 1, no. 2. Vancouver, Canada: Unit 306 Society. pp. 16-18 (1-24).
  4. ^ "Vanishing Heat". UNIT/PITT. 13–15 September 1983. Retrieved 27 October 2019.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: date format (link)
  5. ^ Talve, Merike (Aug 1988). "Kent Tate: The Stalker" (Press release). Vancouver, Canada: Contemporary Art Gallery. National Gallery of Canada. p. 1. {{cite press release}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

Reply 06-NOV-2019

A list of the sources removed and why:

  1. This is a link to a museum-sold book being used as the source for a direct quote. The quote is not properly attributed, so it and the reference have been removed.
  1. This is a complete duplication of the Alain source, which at its core, is a statement authored by the museum curator informed via information supplied by the artist himself. The museum curator is not an independently reliable WP:SECONDARY source.
  • Perry, Art (19 September 1988). "Stalk the Light". Vol. Art Scene. Vancouver, Canada: The Province.
  1. This duplicated the Oraf source, so was deleted.
  1. These two references duplicate the information supplied by the Cataldo source.

The reference that you've asked page numbers be applied to in the above edit request was implemented via the |pages= parameter of the citation template. In regards to the request to duplicate a reference's URL in the External links section, this is declined per guidance given through the third paragraph under the References/Notes section at WP:ILC. Regards,  Spintendo  03:01, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request edit on 10 December 2019

Please consider the following,

Extended content

Proposed Change: Amend, and expand with sources, the third paragraph of the article (currently begins with "During the 1980s..." and ends with "... Ending All Occupation.")

In source mode, Replace the whole paragraph with:

Tate began his career in the early 1980s with [[performance art]] in [[Toronto]].<ref name=alain>{{cite book |author1=Alain-Marin Richard |author2=Clive Robertson |title=Performance In Canada, 1970-1990 |publisher=The Coach House Press |location=Toronto, Canada |isbn=978-2920500044 |url=https://e-artexte.ca/id/eprint/4154/ |accessdate=10 January 2019 |archivedate= |language=English |format=Book |date=Oct 1991 | pages=16, 387 }}</ref> In 1982, he received his first significant recognition in Toronto with the A.R.C. satellite installation ''Museum of Post-Habitation'' that concluded with the performance ''Ending All Occupation''.<ref name="Parallelogramme">{{cite magazine |last1=Tate |first1=Kent |title=Ending All Occupation |magazine=Parallelogramme |format= |url= |date=December 1982 |volume=8 |issue=2 | |page=29|ref=Parallelogramme}}</ref> For it, he had transformed a crumbling dwelling into a museum, and the exhibition ended with an auctioneer's performance.<ref name="Oille-1983">{{cite journal |last1=Oille |first1=Jennifer |title=Museum of Post-Habitaion |journal=Vanguard |date=March 1983 |volume=12 |issue=2 |page=32|url=http://ccca.concordia.ca/c/writing/o/oille/oille011t.html |accessdate=27 November 2019 |ref=Oille-1983 |location=Vancouver, Canada}}</ref> His focus shifted in the late 80s and early 90s towards painting and sculpture. He exhibited these [[Installation art | installation]] projects in Toronto, [[Vancouver]] and [[Victoria, British Columbia|Victoria]].<ref name="Talve-1988">{{cite book |last1=Talve |first1=Merike |title=The Stalker |date=August 1988 |publisher=Contemporary Art Gallery |location=Vancouver, Canada |isbn=0-920751-21-0 |ref=Talve-1988}}</ref>{{rp|7,14}}

which renders:


Tate began his career in the early 1980s with performance art in Toronto.[1] In 1982, he received his first significant recognition in Toronto with the A.R.C. satellite installation Museum of Post-Habitation that concluded with the performance Ending All Occupation.[2] For it, he had transformed a crumbling dwelling into a museum, and the exhibition ended with an auctioneer's performance.[3] His focus shifted in the late 80s and early 90s towards painting and sculpture. He exhibited these installation projects in Toronto, Vancouver and Victoria.[4]: 7, 14 

References

  1. ^ Alain-Marin Richard; Clive Robertson (Oct 1991). Performance In Canada, 1970-1990 (Book). Toronto, Canada: The Coach House Press. pp. 16, 387. ISBN 978-2920500044. Retrieved 10 January 2019.
  2. ^ Tate, Kent (December 1982). "Ending All Occupation". Parallelogramme. Vol. 8, no. 2. p. 29. {{cite magazine}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)
  3. ^ Oille, Jennifer (March 1983). "Museum of Post-Habitaion". Vanguard. 12 (2). Vancouver, Canada: 32. Retrieved 27 November 2019.
  4. ^ Talve, Merike (August 1988). The Stalker. Vancouver, Canada: Contemporary Art Gallery. ISBN 0-920751-21-0.

Explanation: This edit request modifies the third paragraph. This is requested in order to expand, with sources, the article for clarity, more context and additional detail about the progression of the subject's career in the 80's and early 90's.

  1. the first sentence is updated to refer only to performance art and the Alain reference remains as previously updated;
  2. the secound sentence is left as is with the Parallelograme reference;
  3. the third sentence is added as a short description of the The Stalker and a new reference Oille-1983 has been constructed, the sources is a review written by Jennifer Oille in the Vanguard magazine, to support it;
  4. the fourth sentence expands on painting and sculpture that Tate engaged in during this time frame; and
  5. the fifth sentence refers to Tate's installations projects. The reference to Merike Talve's The Stalker, which was previously removed, has been reformatted and used appropriately, to now be verifiable as intended. Both the fourth and the fifth sentence are supported by the Talve reference.

Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 20:57, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 13-DEC-2019

Reply from Spintendo

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Regards,  Spintendo  22:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATED: Request edit

@Spintendo:, Thank you for your reply! I've added a section to identify what is to be removed, I've added quotations, and I slightly modified some of the text.

Please consider making following proposed changes.

Extended content

Proposed Change, (updated 15 December 2019):

Amend, and expand with sources, the third paragraph of the article (currently begins with "During the 1980s..." and ends with "... Ending All Occupation.")

In source mode, Remove the following paragraph:

During the 1980s and the 1990s, Tate began working in performance, film and video in [[Toronto]] and [[Vancouver]] before shifting to [[Video installation|installation]].<ref name=alain>{{cite book |author1=Alain-Marin Richard |author2=Clive Robertson |title=Performance In Canada, 1970-1990 |publisher=The Coach House Press |location=Toronto, Canada |isbn=978-2920500044 |url=https://e-artexte.ca/id/eprint/4154/ |accessdate=10 January 2019 |archivedate= |language=English |format=Book |date=Oct 1991 | pages=16, 387 }}</ref> In 1982 Tate received his first significant recognition in Toronto with the A.R.C. satellite installation ''Museum of Post-Habitation'' that concluded in the performance ''Ending All Occupation''.<ref name="Parallelogramme">{{cite magazine |last1=Tate |first1=Kent |title=Ending All Occupation |magazine=Parallelogramme |format= |url= |date=December 1982 |volume=8 |issue=2 | |page=29|ref=Parallelogramme}}</ref>

In source mode, Replace the whole paragraph with:

Tate began his career in the early 1980s with [[performance art]] in [[Toronto]].<ref name=alain>{{cite book |author1=Alain-Marin Richard |author2=Clive Robertson |title=Performance In Canada, 1970-1990 |publisher=The Coach House Press |location=Toronto, Canada |isbn=978-2920500044 |url=https://e-artexte.ca/id/eprint/4154/ |accessdate=10 January 2019 |archivedate= |language=English |format=Book |date=Oct 1991 | pages=16, 387 }}</ref> In 1982, he received his first significant recognition in Toronto with the A.R.C. satellite installation ''Museum of Post-Habitation'' that concluded with the performance ''Ending All Occupation''.<ref name="Parallelogramme">{{cite magazine |last1=Tate |first1=Kent |title=Ending All Occupation |magazine=Parallelogramme |format= |url= |date=December 1982 |volume=8 |issue=2 | |page=29 |quote=Kent Tate's performance "Ending All Occupation", part of his A.R.C. satellite exhibition, "The Museum of Post-Habitation", Oct. 1982.|ref=Parallelogramme}}</ref> For it, he had transformed a soon to be abandoned dwelling into a museum and the exhibition ended with an auctioneer's performance.<ref name="Oille-1983">{{cite journal |last1=Oille |first1=Jennifer |title=Museum of Post-Habitaion |journal=Vanguard |date=March 1983 |volume=12 |issue=2 |page=32|url=http://ccca.concordia.ca/c/writing/o/oille/oille011t.html |accessdate=27 November 2019 |quote=Tate's studio, not in the trendy art part of town, was in a two story white house looking to have been built about 1800. The present owners, The Drug Trading Company, terminated his lease, with reasonable cause. The very fabric of the building was rotting. Rather than a preservation order, for which age is not necessarily an excuse and which often simply options chic boutiques and chi-chi bistros, Tate's conception of a Museum of Post-Habitation was the ultimate logic for this building and its prospectus of abandonment. Like any museum everywhere, this was to display the middle links, the connections between person, place and time, here furniture and appliances plus some pre-fab 'effigies' — candle masks, the wicks burning, the wax melting to lie lumpen on window sills and floors... On the last night, Tate staged a performance, form and content, an auction of Museum goods. |ref=Oille-1983 |location=Vancouver, Canada}}</ref> In the 1980’s Tate also produced films, videos and exhibited his [[Installation art | installation]] projects in Toronto, [[Vancouver]] and [[Victoria, British Columbia|Victoria]].<ref name="Talve-1988">{{cite book |last1=Talve |first1=Merike |title=The Stalker |date=August 1988 |publisher=Contemporary Art Gallery |location=Vancouver, Canada |quote=Although Tate would rather not refer to his own multi-media projects as ‘installation’, these works will nonetheless be seen in relation to the development of this form. Throughout the 80s Tate produced films, videos and installations in Toronto, Victoria and Vancouver. His focus over the past few years has been on installations… In 'Feast From Famine', 1985, he uses such ‘raw’ materials as marrow, salt, wax and dust alongside ‘refined’ materials such as electricity in the ‘electric fire’, cement and industrial paint. In this same installation paintings depicting contemporary urban angst are presented in frames crudely bound with copper coils and stretched like animal hides… A translucent fibreglass polar bear is positioned on a rock formation. Facing the bear is a large, flat, monolithic rock structure… also see CV pages 14-15| isbn=0-920751-21-0 |ref=Talve-1988}}</ref>{{rp|7,14}}

which renders:


Tate began his career in the early 1980s with performance art in Toronto.[1] In 1982, he received his first significant recognition in Toronto with the A.R.C. satellite installation Museum of Post-Habitation that concluded with the performance Ending All Occupation.[2] For it, he had transformed a soon to be abandoned dwelling into a museum and the exhibition ended with an auctioneer's performance.[3] In the 1980’s Tate also produced films, videos and exhibited his installation projects in Toronto, Vancouver and Victoria.[4]: 7, 14 

References

  1. ^ Alain-Marin Richard; Clive Robertson (Oct 1991). Performance In Canada, 1970-1990 (Book). Toronto, Canada: The Coach House Press. pp. 16, 387. ISBN 978-2920500044. Retrieved 10 January 2019.
  2. ^ Tate, Kent (December 1982). "Ending All Occupation". Parallelogramme. Vol. 8, no. 2. p. 29. Kent Tate's performance "Ending All Occupation", part of his A.R.C. satellite exhibition, "The Museum of Post-Habitation", Oct. 1982. {{cite magazine}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)
  3. ^ Oille, Jennifer (March 1983). "Museum of Post-Habitaion". Vanguard. 12 (2). Vancouver, Canada: 32. Retrieved 27 November 2019. "Tate's studio, not in the trendy art part of town, was in a two storey white house looking to have been built about 1800. The present owners, The Drug Trading Company, terminated his lease, with reasonable cause. The very fabric of the building was rotting. Rather than a preservation order, for which age is not necessarily an excuse and which often simply options chic boutiques and chi-chi bistros, Tate's conception of a Museum of Post-Habitation was the ultimate logic for this building and its prospectus of abandonment. Like any museum everywhere, this was to display the middle links, the connections between person, place and time, here furniture and appliances plus some pre-fab 'effigies' — candle masks, the wicks burning, the wax melting to lie lumpen on window sills and floors…" "On the last night, Tate staged a performance, form and content, an auction of Museum goods."
  4. ^ Talve, Merike (August 1988). The Stalker. Vancouver, Canada: Contemporary Art Gallery. ISBN 0-920751-21-0. "Although Tate would rather not refer to his own multi-media projects as 'installation', these works will nonetheless be seen in relation to the development of this form. Throughout the 80s Tate produced films, videos and installations in Toronto, Victoria and Vancouver. His focus over the past few years has been on installations…" "In 'Feast From Famine', 1985, he uses such 'raw' materials as marrow, salt, wax and dust alongside 'refined' materials such as electricity in the 'electric fire', cement and industrial paint. In this same installation paintings depicting contemporary urban angst are presented in frames crudely bound with copper coils and stretched like animal hides…" "A translucent fibreglass polar bear is positioned on a rock formation. Facing the bear is a large, flat, monolithic rock structure"… also see CV pages 14-15

Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 16:29, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 15-DEC-2019

Please note that as the proposed text is four sentences long, each number below corresponds to the sentence number as it appears in the proposal.

  1. The quote parameter for ref tag #1 is missing.
  2. he received his first significant recognition The source that this was "significant" is Tate himself. Please provide a reference from a reliable, independent publication for this claim to be made, or else the claim needs to be made without using Wikipedia's voice (e.g., "According to the subject, their first significant recognition came from...", etc).
  3. This claim could not be added without the presence of the prior two sentences.
  4. This claim generically states that the subject produced items without describing each item. Also, the references for these produced items should originate from reliable, independent sources which are unconnected to the subject (such as from the gallery website, about the exhibition). The subject giving an interview to one publication would be deemed as not independent. Those types of sources should only be used for things that the subject says about themselves. When a claim is that several different exhibitions were done in different locations, the sources should be those exhibition spaces, not the subject recounting them years later in an interview for an exhibition unreleated to the previous exhibitions. With all due respect to Merike Talve, the subject describing their previous exibitions is verified only by the subject's word. The subject's word is fine as a reference when the subject is speaking about themselves. In this case, the subject is speaking about third parties (the spaces and galleries where those earlier exhibits were featured) thus requiring independent sources.

Regards,  Spintendo  22:18, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification please for Reply 15-Dec-2019

Spintendo, I would like to provide the following and also request clarification on your Reply 15-Dec-2019.

  • Item #1: I do not have any more access to this book than is available on the link provided within the Alain reference. The Performance in Canada, 1970-1990 book lists Kent Tate's name amoung the artists as the title of the book indicates. As I mentioned to you after you deleted the other references from the original sentence that the Alain reference only pertained to performance art. This is the reason I separated out film, video and installation and added the Merike Talve reference in the sentence #4.
  • Item #3: would the Oille quote= “… Tate's most recent effort, the Museum of Post-Habitation, an incarnation at and of his studio / living space, portended the substantive in the artist's spirit and was of actual substance, not at all puerile, but sad and sardonic, a visual commentary that scored a few points.” be enough to satisfy the 'significant recognition' statement? This was a statement by the reviewer, Jennifer Oille, not the subject, Kent Tate.
  • Item #4: This may be a generic statement but I didn't realize this is not permitted. The article written by Merike Talve clearly (to me anyway) argues that at least several of Tate's exhibitions in her opinion would be considered installations. She goes in some detail describing the exhibitions and explaining the definition of installations; making an argument that Tate may not refer to his own work as installations but her argument explained why she believes that they are installations, including The Stalker. I could provide the entire quote of this if it would be helpful to you for your approval.
  1. The Chemical Chamber , 1986; Western Front Lodge, Vancouver BC
  2. Feast From Famine, 1985; Death and Transfiguration, Open Space Gallery, Victoria BC
  3. No Rest For The Restless, 1985; Pitt International Gallery, Vancouver BC
  4. Uninvited Houseguest, 1984; Survival of the Will, The 1984 Show, Open Space Gallery, Victoria BC
  5. Vanishing Heat, 1983; Unit Pitt, Vancouver BC

I apologize but it is unclear to me if you are looking for independent proof that these exhibition exist - or - if you are looking for these exhibitions to be incorporated into article. Thank you for your consideration!LorriBrown (talk) 21:56, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 18-DEC-2019

  1. With regards to item 1, if the COI editor does not have access to this item, then it is not known how they are able to propose it as a source for the specific and important claim that the subject's "career began" with performance art. In different contexts, stating that someone's "career began" through something else (perfomance art) implies that a salient and culturally significant event occurred which placed the person's career on a path which it would not otherwise take. That significant of a statement needs to be clearly sourced. Asking to see the text which this claim supposedly originates from is my way of ensuring that the statement and any implications it might carry are justified, and not merely puffery.
  2. With regards to item 3, if the statement originates from Oille, then it needs to be attributed to them in the text. It cannot be stated using Wikipedia's voice.
  3. The fault of not providing references for the films and videos part of this individual sentence is not the COI editor's. The fault lies in the Talve source. In verifying information, a source needs to be transparent if they are not known as a reliable source for the item. In this reference, Talve is discussing the installations, and only mentions the films and videos as an aside to their review of the installations. Therefore, Talve is not being put forth as a reliable source of review of these films and videos. It is only their word that they know of the videos and films — which they likely were informed of by the subject himself telling them or Talve otherwise discovering the films and videos in another source. So when I say that it is Talve's fault, it's because Talve does not state in their review of the installations how their knowledge of those films and videos came to be.

     Spintendo  06:10, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Additional clarification please for Reply 19-Dec-2019

Thank you for you previous clarifications. Obviously, I am having considerable difficulty presenting this text properly. Thank you for your patience and I apologize for taking up so much time. I do appreciate your advice and find it quite helpful. If the version is acceptable - I will present it in a edit request format.

Extended content
  1. Tate is a Canadian artist and filmmaker who has exhibited in Canada since the early 1980s.[1]
  2. According to Tate, during the 80s he engaged in film and video production, performance and exhibitions in Toronto, Vancouver and Victoria.[2]: 14–15 
  3. Jennifer Oille reviewed Tate's 1982 A.R.C. satellite installation in Toronto, the Museum of Post-Habitation, in the Vanguard (magazine).[3]
  4. For it, Oille wrote that Tate converted a soon to be abandoned dwelling into a museum.[4]
  5. She described that Tate staged a performance on the last night auctioning off various goods from the museum.[5]
  6. The exhibition, Museum of Post-Habitation, ended with Tate's performance, Ending All Occupation.[6]

References

  1. ^ Alain-Martin Richard; Clive Robertson (Oct 1991). Performance In Canada, 1970-1990 (Book). Toronto, Canada: The Coach House Press. p. 369. ISBN 978-2920500044. Retrieved 21 December 2019. OILLE, Jennifer, Kent Tate Museum of Post-Habitation, Vanguard, vol 12, no 2 (March 1983). P. 32.
  2. ^ Talve, Merike (August 1988). The Stalker. Vancouver, Canada: Contemporary Art Gallery. ISBN 0-920751-21-0. See Tate's Curriculum Vitae pages 14-15
  3. ^ a b c Oille, Jennifer (March 1983). "Museum of Post-Habitation". Vanguard. 12 (2). Vancouver, Canada: 32. Retrieved 27 November 2019. Tate's most recent effort, the Museum of Post-Habitation, an incarnation at and of his studio / living space, portended the substantive in the artist's spirit and was of actual substance, not at all puerile, but sad and sardonic, a visual commentary that scored a few points.
  4. ^ "Tate's conception of a Museum of Post-Habitation was the ultimate logic for this building and its prospectus of abandonment. Like any museum everywhere, this was to display the middle links, the connections between person, place and time, here furniture and appliances plus some pre-fab 'effigies' — candle masks, the wicks burning, the wax melting to lie lumpen on window sills and floors…"[3]
  5. ^ "On the last night, Tate staged a performance, form and content, an auction of goods from the museum. Something only has value when someone is willing to buy it / or when it is in a museum. The audience stood. The waxen faces waned on the mantel. Tate, dressed like a 30s movie mobster, presided with gavel…"[3]
  6. ^ Tate, Kent (December 1982). "Ending All Occupation". Parallelogramme. Vol. 8, no. 2. p. 29. Kent Tate's performance Ending All Occupation, part of his A.R.C. satellite exhibition, the Museum of Post-Habitation, Oct. 1982.

Thank you!LorriBrown (talk) 22:56, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 23-DEC-2019

  Edit request implemented    Spintendo  23:53, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for implementing the edit request; however, the following text was inadvertenly removed from the article. I would appreciate if you could kindly put it back into the article. Thank you!

  1. 1988 Tate pointed out environmental concerns through symbolism and humor in The Stalker installation at the Contemporary Art Gallery in Vancouver.[1]
  1. Tate exhibited Movies for a Pulsing Earth, a ten-year retrospective video/sculptural installation at the Art Gallery of Swift Current, in 2012.[2]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by LorriBrown (talk • contribs) 00:01, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Oraf (30 December 1988). "Year in Review". Vol. Visual Arts. Vancouver, Canada: The Georgia Straight. p. 22.
  2. ^ Gowan, Jesse (14 March 2012). "Tate exhibit exciting for Art Gallery of Swift Current". Prairie Post.
 Done The COI editor is reminded for the second time to sign all talk page posts.  Spintendo  00:11, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Spintendo Okay, will try not to do that again. Got kind of excited because you had just implemented the changes but had inadvertently removed that text. :)LorriBrown (talk) 00:18, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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