Talk:Ancient Egyptian race controversy

Spelling issue

At the end of the first paragraph of the English language version: "fociusing" should be corrected to "focusing". Have a good day. MaelKeu (talk) 21:31, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Done, thank you for noticing. The same sentence also linked to the obscure Cleopatra VI of Egypt, instead of the famous Cleopatra VII. Dimadick (talk) 00:27, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Two problems with the lede

First, The "national geographic study" is not a study. But a blog post on national geographic's website based on findings from commercial DNA test. It does not belong in the lede and probably not in the article. It also contradicts the actual DNA tests cited in the lede.

Second, only three mummnies in the Abisur study were tested for black admixture, and all of them had such ancestry: between 6-15%. The current version of the lede misleadingly implies that only 3 of the 83 mummies had such admixture. GergisBaki (talk) 22:09, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand the first problem - perhaps it has been fixed already?

I have fixed the second problem, by reporting the source more closely.

All three samples that were able to be tested for admixture came from very late in the history of Egypt - when the population was very different to those who had built the monuments we know today. The three samples came from the Third Intermediate Period and the Late Period - all of which follow the period when Egypt had been invaded by Nubian kings, and which includes the time when things fell apart following the collapse of the Nubian kings. Talk about non-representative.

However I'm sure that the Americans who cling to the "one-drop principle" are thrilled.

Wdford (talk) 09:59, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Ramses 3 DNA results VS Tutanchmun IGNEA results

It seems like someone is purposefully hiding the fact that Ramses 3 dna results came out E1b1a, when you already have the king Tut dna result on here from IGNEA, why would you do that? Either provide both dna results or remove the King Tut results, which are not R1b1a by the way. but anyway — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allanana79 (talk • contribs) 03:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

The IGNEA results were controversial and are only included because of the controversy - are you saying that the article doesn't make it clear enough that they were dismissed? I've clarified that by adding the quote that they were "simply impossible". They are there to be debunked. Note that they are not included in his main article. You seem to like fringe stuff - I note that you think CNN is fake news. You prefer a conspiracy reason to the idea we might just be following Wikipedia policy. Doug Weller talk 13:36, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Honestly, I just don't understand why people wish to hide the fact that they were Africans of black complexion? I mean, I am probably more racist than you, but I accept that the Ancient Egyptians were black. And it makes me wonder what happened to then to go from the founders of human civilisation to now the dregs of our society. Allanana79 (talk) 18:51, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Saying, and I quote, I am probably more racist than you, would imply you probably have no respectable business here, frankly. Wikipedia is not about righting great wrongs. We have been over this a gazillion times. Respectable RS accept that applying American racial categories to an ancient society is mindboggling, and that Egyptian civilization experienced demic and other influences from a variety of regions (Middle East, Mediterranean, and yes also Nubia). --Calthinus (talk) 18:56, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

"Myth of Stolen Legacy" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Myth of Stolen Legacy. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 19:07, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Cleopatra section is too long

This article is supposed to be about the history of the ANCIENT Egyptian race controversy. However, it now has 5 long paragraphs about Cleopatra from the period when Greece and Rome colonized Egypt. That's not Ancient Egypt. All aspects of Egyptian culture, religion, architecture, and civilization preceded Cleopatra by thousands of years. The Greco-Roman rulers were not Egyptians at all, but full blooded Greeks and Romans. This article admits that sources claiming that Cleopatra was Egyptian and/or black were not scholarly sources. It's unbefitting of an encyclopedia article to discuss tabloid topics at length. The Cleopatra section needs to be shortened. EditorfromMars (talk) 20:36, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Except that it was not a mere "tabloid" topic, it was a serious aspect of the controversy.--Calthinus (talk) 18:55, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Genetic Testing

New genetic testing seems to have confirmed that the earliest peoples who established the Egyptian culture did not come from the West but from the East and the region of the Levant. Maybe the peoples in the South were more Native but DNA sequencing is proving that this isn't true in the North.