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Many of these questions arise frequently on the talk page concerning InfoWars and Alex Jones.
Q1: Is this article biased?
A1: Wikipedia follows the consensus view of reliable independent sources. Sometimes, as with InfoWars, the dominant view is negative. Wikipedia avoids false balance and does not accord undue weight to fringe views. Q2: Should the article describe InfoWars as "fake news"?
A2: Yes. There is clear consensus among reliable independent sources that InfoWars routinely publishes entirely fabricated stories, otherwise known as fake news. Q3: Should the article describe InfoWars as far-right or alt-right?
A3: Both. There is clear consensus among reliable independent sources that InfoWars's political stance aligns with the far right and alt-right. Q4: Should the article describe InfoWars as promoting conspiracy theories?
A4: Yes. There is clear consensus among reliable independent sources that InfoWars promotes conspiracies, most notably the false claim that the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was a false-flag operation. Q5: Does the number of editors who complain about bias on the talk page, or the frequency of complaints, matter?
A5: No. WP:CONSENSUS does not work that way. Please refer to Q1 for more information on the requirements for a post to merit consideration. It should cite reliable sources that contradict the status quo. Single purpose accounts are often recognized as not being here to build the encyclopedia, a valid block reason. Editing is a privilege to work on the project where free speech does not apply. Posts considered to violate policies (including WP:NOTFORUM) may be ignored, collapsed or deleted (WP:TPO). |
Let's review, shall we?
Let's review for our newly-arrived Infowars/Newswars/Prison Planet minions, shall we? Alex Jones claims that the US government kidnaps children and makes them slaves at our martian colony, that kids are only pretending to get shot at school and their parents are only pretending to grieve, that Michelle Obama is really a man, that Carrie Fisher of Star Wars fame was killed to boost DVD sales, that the coming New World Order is a demonic high-tech tyranny formed by satanist elites who are using selective breeding to create a supreme race, that tap water is turning frogs gay, that Temple of Baal arches will be erected in multiple cities around the world Real Soon Now, that the Democratic party runs a pedophile ring through pizza shops, that the US government commits acts of terrorism against its own citizens, that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are literally demons from hell, that the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami were a government plot, that Obama wanted to detonate a nuclear bomb in Charleston, South Carolina, that FEMA runs concentration camps... Sounds legit to me! --Guy Macon (talk) 18:03, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
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- This is why I give maybe two warnings (if that) before blocking anyone who tries to defend InfoWars as an RS on grounds of WP:NOTHERE and WP:CIR. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:39, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- Everyone knows the slave colony is on planet Invisibilia that the New World Order has blocked from view with light-bending technology. The rest is probably true. O3000 (talk) 19:44, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- I thought it was on Nibiru? Guy (Help!) 20:25, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- You would say that, wouldn't you? (mocking) Nibaru! What an obvious false flag to hide THE TRUTH! --Guy Macon (talk) 00:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- InfoWars defenders are why I no longer have a button to email me on my user page. Words cannot describe how bizarre their messages are, but they seemed to figure out that emailing editors instead of posting directly on user talk pages lets them get away with harassment. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 12:20, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- I thought it was on Nibiru? Guy (Help!) 20:25, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
I get that there are stories infowars may have fabricated but there are multiple videos of CNN telling “witnesses” exactly what to say, making up stories etc. Just confused on why that’s not described as “fake news” as well. Flyingchiimp12 (talk) 13:03, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- And what great source gave you that idea? O3000 (talk) 13:14, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- [fake video redacted] here's just one of the many great examples. Google apparently blocks you from (easily) finding this video on their search engine so I had to use duckduckgo but if you do some research you can find all the moments of proven fake news you'd like. I'd also be happy to keep supplying links if need be.Flyingchiimp12 (talk) 00:55, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- Flyingchiimp12, that stupid video proves nothing at all, and it looks fake as hell. If you want to play here, you will have to acquaint yourself with guidelines like WP:RS, but more than that, you probably need to develop some common sense and educate yourself on what constitutes "evidence", and what kinds of things one probably shouldn't believe. I fear for you. Drmies (talk) 01:00, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- lmaoo ok it’s obvious no amount of evidence will change your bias against Jones. Go ahead and google “project veritas CNN” and there’s even a page for CNN controversies on Wikipedia. I’m not even that big of an Alex Jones guy but the fact that he’s listed explicitly as “fake news” and not something like, “many claim he is fake news” just shows this is trying to push a narrative instead of being impartial like it should be. As much as you guys will deny it, Jones has been right about things the rest of the media won’t talk about, e.g. Epstein being a pedophile. I fear you as well. Flyingchiimp12 (talk) 21:13, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
- Flyingchiimp12 has been blocked. O3000 (talk) 22:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
- lmaoo ok it’s obvious no amount of evidence will change your bias against Jones. Go ahead and google “project veritas CNN” and there’s even a page for CNN controversies on Wikipedia. I’m not even that big of an Alex Jones guy but the fact that he’s listed explicitly as “fake news” and not something like, “many claim he is fake news” just shows this is trying to push a narrative instead of being impartial like it should be. As much as you guys will deny it, Jones has been right about things the rest of the media won’t talk about, e.g. Epstein being a pedophile. I fear you as well. Flyingchiimp12 (talk) 21:13, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
- Flyingchiimp12, that stupid video proves nothing at all, and it looks fake as hell. If you want to play here, you will have to acquaint yourself with guidelines like WP:RS, but more than that, you probably need to develop some common sense and educate yourself on what constitutes "evidence", and what kinds of things one probably shouldn't believe. I fear for you. Drmies (talk) 01:00, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- [fake video redacted] here's just one of the many great examples. Google apparently blocks you from (easily) finding this video on their search engine so I had to use duckduckgo but if you do some research you can find all the moments of proven fake news you'd like. I'd also be happy to keep supplying links if need be.Flyingchiimp12 (talk) 00:55, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Agreed The article has several errors as well as unfounded criticisms. If InfoWars is to be labeled "fake news" it serves that all media entries on Wikipedia ie CNN FOX NEWS NY Times et Al should be labeled "Fake News" as well. "Alternative" "Libertarian" or "Online" would be more accurate describers of the type of "News" site InfoWars is. The authors sources, though numerous are suspect for their factuality. This entry requires several edits.
Justkmill (talk) 05:26, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- Do you have any reliable sources for these claims? Libertarianism is a philosophy, not a euphemism. — Newslinger talk 05:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
The hypocrisy is strong...
I've noticed a lot of personal edits on this page that violates wikipedia's own policies of being 'neutral' when editing/writing an article. Of course controversies of the subject can be highlighted like any other page, but to go so far as to accuse them of being 'fake news' and 'right-wing' is extremely biased on the editors part, let alone unprofessional and very childish when they have to lock the edit tool to protect their version. We obviously live in a 'free' society where emotions override our ability to be more open-minded towards certain groups. If InfoWars is fake and wrong then let them run themselves to the ground, don't suppress their articles and fill it with personal opinions because you do yourselves no favor and only proving them right about how crooked things really are. If you have no agenda then enable this article for edit and make it neutral like everything on this site should be.
(No doubt this discussion will be closed immediately to confirm everyone's suspicions...) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syke2230 (talk • contribs) 10:48, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- We go with what RS say.Slatersteven (talk) 10:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
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Staff The following table lists InfoWars main staff members.[43]
Infowars staff Name Role Alex Jones Publisher & Director Paul Joseph Watson Editor & Staff Writer Steve Watson, Adan Salazar, Kit Daniels, Mikael Thalen, Jamie White Associate Editor & Staff Writer Anthony Gucciardi Contributing Writer Rob Dew Nightly News Director David Knight, Jakari Jackson, Lee Ann McAdoo, Joe Biggs, Millie Weaver, Owen Shroyer Reporter Jon Bowne, Clifford Cunningham, Dan Lyman Correspondent Jerome Corsi Author & Correspondent (former)[39] Shepard Ambellas, Lionel, Jon Rappoport Contributors
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Staff The following table lists InfoWars main staff members.
ALEX JONES Publisher & Director
PAUL JOSEPH WATSON Editor, Staff Writer
STEVE WATSON Associate Editor, Staff Writer
ADAN SALAZAR Associate Editor, Staff Writer
KIT DANIELS Associate Editor, Staff Writer
ROB DEW Nightly News Director
DAVID KNIGHT Reporter
LEE ANN MCADOO Reporter
JON BOWNE Correspondent
MILLIE WEAVER Reporter
JAMIE WHITE Associate Editor, Staff Writer
OWEN SHROYER Reporter
DAN LYMAN Correspondent
JON RAPPOPORT Contributor
SHEPARD AMBELLAS Contributor
GREG REESE Contributor [1]
Redding Taylor (talk) 22:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- Based on an obfuscated link to a globally blacklisted URL shortener, pointing to a TripAdvisor page? I don't think so, thanks. Guy (help!) 23:39, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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- ^ www.infowars.com/contributors
- I'm not user where the shortened link to TripAdvisor comes in, I see a link to the infowars site. That's not the reason to leave it out.
- The reason to leave it out is that it is trivial detail. We do not list every person associated with every subject. We don't list all of the section editors, reporters, columnists, photographers, etc. for The New York Times. We don't list the gaffer, sound mixer, colorist, caterer, etc. for the latest film. It's trivial info. - SummerPhDv2.0 15:38, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Removal from App Store by google
https://www.engadget.com/2020-03-28-infowars-google-play.html is surely worth noting in this article. -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 11:04, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- I guess "wait too long to do the right thing" is sorta compatible with the broadest interpretation of "Don't be evil" possible. Ian.thomson (talk) 11:16, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, that should be mentioned. -- Valjean (talk) 16:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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Infowars is not fake news. CNN, MSNBC, and other mainstream media are paid by the government to spread hogwash in attempt to manipulate the minds of the people. This will most certainly be rejected due to the paid "real news" giving false information. Take this false page down or Wikipedia will be reported to Anonymous. 85.9.20.154 (talk) 00:56, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
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