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Procedural note

   While our documented practice is that new topics start new sections at the bottom of the page (and old topics continue in their respective same sections), we sometimes see a continuation of a discussion in a separate section with at most a shift in emphasis. This page's 7 sections comprise about four topics, and in this edit i am converting several sections into subsections of one or the other of two sections, to reunite the somewhat scattered parts of the corresponding topics.
--Jerzy•t 03:18, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

US motherhood statistics section- undue weight to the US and WP:NOT#STATS

I don't think that section belongs here at all. The whole section focuses on a single country - the US, and it's also full of all sort of statistics, which, for the most part, do not bring anything to the article. Also see WP:NOT#STATS. And too much article space is dedicated to only one country in detriment of other countries/regions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skydeepblue (talk • contribs) 19:26, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So are there any opinions? If there is WP:CONS it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skydeepblue (talk • contribs) 19:41, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the section since nobody objected.Skydeepblue (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology and psycholinguistics of words for mother

Edit request on 19 March 2012

could you please add this picture in the article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_story_of_a_word.jpg something like mother is a common word in indo-european languages? or ma root?

Example: Mother word with 'm' sound root is common in all indo-european languages

82.137.15.68 (talk) 14:58, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done The article does not lend itself to etymology of the word, and you will have to supply more information. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 01:50, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 30 March 2013

In the etymology section the root word ma for mother; Hebrew אימה (ema) should be added to the list as it has been in use for millennia. 24.188.106.70 (talk) 05:55, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: I don't think we need every part of the word in the section, especially if it only covers less than half of the word. Mdann52 (talk) 12:30, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Right, and Hebrew is from a different language family, so there is no evidence that it is a cognate of English mother. Besides, we'd also have to bring in the other Semitic and Afroasiatic cognates of אימה (ema) such as Arabic أم (umm) — then perhaps representatives of every other language family on earth! — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 15:30, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For the etymology section: "Mama" Is used in every known human language

The word "Mama", with only slight derivations (and always meaning ones mother), is one of only a handful of words that are used in every known human language. This has been theorized to be due to it being a word from the original root human language (first language used by humans) that is theorized to be the ancestor of all other African, European, Asian, Australian-Aboriginal, Native American and Polynesian languages. All human languages are believed to be descended from this original "proto-language".

Another theory holds that the universal use of "Mama", or very slight derivations, is because it may be hard-wired into the brains of all baby humans. 208.54.86.132 (talk) 13:59, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Exception

In Georgian "mama" (მამა) means father. The Georgian word for mother is "deda" (დედა). --Mebop (talk) 20:46, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Developmental theory

   While i'm afraid i can't offer any more verifying reference than the preceding 4 advocates for having the article cover the linguistic observation(s), i recently heard on NPR the assertion that as the motor nervous system develops, M is the first consonant (or was it in fact the first phoneme of any kind?) that comes under enuf control for the child to start the process of treating adults' responses to its vocalizations as reward stimuli and thus of acquiring conditioned vocal responses to specific landmarks in its environment. Since the mum is the most salient landmark for the vast majority of infants, it would be bizarre if the first sufficiently distinct sound were not the one to get attached to her.
   <sickhumor> Does anyone have data on the results of echoing back to an infant each of its uses of P, and not echoing M until the child has attached a no-consonants-but-Ps term to something? (I thot i recalled that B.F. Skinner or E. R. Guthrie had said "every psychologist should have a dog and a child", but my searches strike out.)</sickhumor>
--Jerzy•t 03:18, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

reference #29

I would just like to point out that reference number 29 is a broken link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.49.227 (talk) 23:26, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tagged {{dead link|date=May 2012}}, thanks. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:05, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Photo selection

Edit request on 26 September 2012

Could someone please change the picture at the top of the "Mother" page? While "Migrant Mother" is a famous photo, it conveys a sense of sadness rather than joy. The picture at the top of this page should evoke a sense of maternal contentment and fulfillment. As it stands, the picture gives a bad impression of motherhood. As if it is a constant pain and heartache. My mother is very upset about this impression and asked me to request this photo to be changed to something more suitable. Thank you. 76.168.125.190 (talk) 04:31, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:04, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus on changing the "Migrant Mother" picture.

I am trying to establish consensus that the top picture on this page should represent the joy of motherhood. While "Migrant Mother" is a brilliant and famous photo, it conveys a sense of sadness rather than joy. The picture at the top of this page should evoke a sense of maternal contentment and fulfillment. As it stands, the picture gives a negative impression of motherhood, as if it is a pain and heartache. My mother is very upset about this impression and asked me to request that the photo at the top of the page be changed to something more positive. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.125.190 (talk) 16:14, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I support this one. When I saw the pic, it really didn't convey the right emotions the word "Mother" carries. She looks detached in the photo which is not how we portray / should portray in this article. --AJ (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mother/child conflist section - infanticide and abortion

I have removed this edit as WP:SYNTHESIS. In fact, the source implies the opposite of what was claimed in the edit. See abstract at [[1]], where in fact it is claimed that "fetuses and newborns are never in identical moral contexts." 78.26 (His Wiki's Voice) 12:49, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mummy in different languages

Mummy in Portugal is "mamã", the word "mãe" means "mother"; the diminutive "mãezinha" can also be used as "mummy", but it's sometimes ironically meant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.82.217.41 (talk) 19:10, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Mother series"

The usage of "Mother series" is under discussion, see talk:EarthBound_(series) -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 03:30, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure how that is relevant to this article. --NeilN talk to me 03:44, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It would depend on whether maternal line, and the meaning of progenitor (metaphorical mothers), should have relevance to "mother" or not. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:33, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Removing informal synonyms from lede

The article currently begins: "Mothers (or mum/mom/mam(s)) are women who…."

I just removed the parenthesis. Otherwise we might well end up with something like: "Mothers (or mum/mom/mam/moms/mommy/mumsy/mumsie/mamma/mami/mutti(s))…" — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 14:57, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2016

I would like to change the photo to Mother and Child - Pablo Picasso Thank you. http://www.wikiart.org/en/pablo-picasso/mother-and-child-1905

Mjgonline (talk) 01:25, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: I checked the link, and they list the image as under copyright protection. Accordingly, we cannot use it just to illustrate the concept; that's not permitted under the criteria for use of non-free content. —C.Fred (talk) 01:31, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

title text under the pictures is biased.

the only picture that does not specify race is the one of a blond mother and baby. that's pretty one-sided, suggesting that the blonds are the default and everyone else is somehow not.

i'd use a picture that is verifiable, and add in a descriptor (America, Swiss, Aryan, Caucasian, etc.). that would seem far more fair, or pull the descriptors form a few other pictures to balance it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.54.53.166 (talk) 15:26, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Um, no photos specify race and only two specify nationality/ethnicity. --NeilN talk to me 15:33, 8 February 2017 (UTC)nk[reply]
I think IP was referring to the images throughout the article, not merely in the gallery. I made the change I think they were requesting, for consistency across captions, although I don't there was any untoward implication in the original, which also left an African-American-looking mother and child unlabeled. FourViolas (talk) 15:47, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Ma (momma) listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Ma (momma). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. signed, Rosguill talk 01:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

JOE

WHO IS JOE YOU MAY ASK? JOE MAMA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waterjrpp (talk • contribs) 16:39, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

a mom is gay

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2020

Mother's are also called "Mamu" in Nepal 49.244.23.128 (talk) 12:25, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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