Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 17

December 17

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 17, 2020.

Wikipedia:SPARTA

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 25#Wikipedia:SPARTA

Paradife loft. A POEM Written in TEN BOOKS by JOHN MILTON

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 00:55, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Paradife loft. A POEM Written in TEN BOOKS by JOHN MILTON → Paradise Lost (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Patent nonsense and implausible redirect. "Paradife loft." was already deleted at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 27#Paradife loft.. We already have the redirect without nonsense. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 21:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is how the title is shown on the title page shown in the article. Paradife loft. was deleted because of the trailing full stop, Paradife loft (with no trailing punctuation) was kept. Thryduulf (talk) 01:53, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes I know, but creating redirects for all text shown on the book cover as a title for a redirect is not what they are usually for. What's next, Diary of a Wimpy Kid a novel in cartoons Jeff Kinney. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 15:38, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Redirects are for plausible search terms. Sometimes that will include the full title of a book, sometimes it wont, but in no cases will it be patent nonsense (please actually read what it says) and your specific example is a classic WP:OTHERSTUFF argument (read that page as well) - especially as '(full title) by (author)' and '(full title) (author)' are not the same thing. Thryduulf (talk) 17:51, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Seventyfiveyears, did you read what you linked? This is certainly not text that purposefully has no meaning at all. Nor is it confusing that no reasonable person can be expected to make any sense of it. This redirect is easy to understand, as Thryduulf explains. -- Tavix ^(talk) 02:14, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: see the image at the target article, and per previous comments. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:46, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The B in "By" in the book cover is capitalized. The one in this redirect is not. HotdogPi 22:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- That is a completely trivial difference that does not make this an implausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 03:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - It matters when anyone typing in this redirect is following the cover page exactly, especially since the word "Written" has its first latter capitalized, creating an inconsistency within the redirect itself. HotdogPi 13:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Cl

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The result of the discussion was Keep. Thryduulf (talk) 12:37, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cl → Chlorine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There are multiple items at the disambiguation page CL with capitalization "cl". It originally pointed to CL until a user retargeted it to Chlorine in 2012. Multiple attempts to retarget this redirect since then have been reverted. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 20:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to "CL" per nominator and 2003 revision. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 23:02, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, Chlorine is the primary topic. What else known as "Cl" could challenge it? (And to be fair, it originally targeted Chlorine). -- Tavix ^(talk) 02:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to the dab page per nom. Certainly airline codes and country codes are widely used, and centilitres are not uncommon, and to shipfans and milhistfans light cruisers are likely. -- 67.70.26.89 (talk) 03:11, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- None of those things are "Cl" though. Cruisers, airlines, and county codes in some contexts are "CL", centilitres are "cL", and if we're talking about a TLD country code, it'd be ".cl". -- Tavix ^(talk) 03:20, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - If the result is to redirect "Cl" to "CL", I would suggest tagging the redirect page with {{R from other capitalisation}}. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 15:37, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Cl (element) / Cl (chemical element) / Cl (chemical) could be used instead for a "Cl" link to chlorine. -- 67.70.26.89 (talk) 03:13, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It is reasonable that at this capitalisation, Chlorine is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Cl". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:48, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Chemical symbol for element has priority over a redirect from other capitalization. Mdewman6 (talk) 09:07, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, since the chemical element is clearly the primary topic as pointed out several times above. CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:01, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The Broken Earth trilogy

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 00:59, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Broken Earth trilogy → N. K. Jemisin#Broken Earth series (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The Broken Earth Trilogy → N. K. Jemisin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The trilogy is Broken Earth (without "the") and because The Broken Earth is an unrelated film, I suggest we delete as ambiguous and confusing. Note that Broken Earth trilogy exists. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:20, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the 1939 film is not a trilogy, and the Jemisin books are a trilogy, where every book title begins with "The" -- 67.70.26.89 (talk) 03:14, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep All the titles of the books begin with "The", so prepending it to the trilogy seems reasonable, and I've encountered it discussed this way. --‿Ꞅtruthious 𝔹andersnatch ͡ |℡| 21:24, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Ethiri En 3

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:13, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ethiri En 3 → Srikanth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Deletion. Original article was a film that was never released and then instead of deleting the article it was made into a redirect to one of the actors in the film (for whatever reason). Except the target is actually a disambiguation page and it's not even clear which actor was referred to. It's a mess and doesn't help any users in the slightest. -- Fyrael (talk) 19:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The actor was Srikanth (Tamil actor, born 1979), but there's nothing about this film in his article. Narky Blert (talk) 14:41, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Gay frogs

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The result of the discussion was no consensus / retarget to Tyrone Hayes#Atrazine research. Both the current target, and anything Alex Jones-related, both seem resoundingly unpopular. The remaining participation is divided, with reasonable arguments on either side, over whether it's worth pointing readers to some research that's somewhat relevant, or better to delete it to avoid confusing the issue further. There is no particular consensus between these viewpoints, and we'll default to retargeting it in the assumption that at least some of the people who follow it will be assisted by the new target. ~ mazca ^talk 15:08, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gay frogs → Endocrine disruptor (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I'm not exactly sure what the original creators' (User:Psantora) intention was to redirect this title to "Endocrine disruptor" but I'm guessing it has something to do with the Alex Jones Gay bomb conspiracy theory that got media attention a couple years ago. In any case, although this may be a more serious/responsible target for such a silly page title, it might serve the public, or at least the majority of people searching for this term, if it redirected to "Gay bomb" instead. Or at least "List of animals displaying homosexual behavior" might be an even better retarget? In any case, I'm not necessarily pushing for deletion here; this is Redirects for DISCUSSION after all. My pet peeve is everyone that patrols the XfDs thinks it's all for deletion. Anyways... discuss. œ^™ 13:46, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This seems like a very unlikely search term; ~~I suspect this was created as a joke~~. It may also be referencing Tyrone Hayes's work on the effects of atrazine on frogs. Yilloslime (talk) 19:12, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well after reading that article I'd say "Tyrone Hayes" would be another retarget candidate. More mentions of frogs there. Still, silly search term to be redirecting, especially to a bio, but that article at least seems educational. -- œ^™ 06:49, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

After reviewing the creator's contribution history, I have struck my speculation that the page was created in jest. Nonetheless, this seems like a low-utility redirect with no obvious target (though, admittedly, a few possibilities for retargeting), so I still support simple deletion. Yilloslime (talk) 17:51, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect I agree that it likely refers to Alex Jones and thus Gay bomb; the latter seems to be the best redirect. Parrotapocalypse (talk) 19:33, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Homosexual behaviour in animals exists but does not mention frogs (or even amphibians) at all. Thryduulf (talk) 12:34, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Tyrone Hayes#Atrazine research. Yes, it's famous as an Alex Jones meme, but it's better to point it to actual research instead of conspiracy theories. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:38, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to say that wherever this is pointed to, the target should include a hatnote to Alex Jones. Then I realized that the Alex Jones article does not mention "gay" or "frogs". Huh. feminist (talk) free Hong Kong 04:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:23, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Even setting aside the difficulty of applying human sexuality labels to animals, "gay frogs" really doesn't seem to accurately describe Hayes's research. If we can't give the proper context for readers, we risk perpetuating the disinformation. --BDD (talk) 16:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Would redirecting to Alex Jones be appropriate here? Skarmory (talk • contribs) 18:43, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not unless we add discussion of it there. --BDD (talk) 16:29, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The redirects from the uppercase "Gay Frogs" to Alex Jones were deleted last year at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2019_May_8#Gay_Frogs, and this lowercase redirect was then created after that discussion. Retarget to Tyrone Hayes#Atrazine research per Tavix, more specific than the general article on endocrine disruptors, it is what the meme is referring to, and people looking for the general List of animals displaying homosexual behavior are unlikely to enter this term – Thjarkur (talk) 20:10, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Tyrone Hayes#Atrazine research as a logical, reasonable, and factual target. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, Tyrone Hayes#Atrazine research. I'd say we have consensus. -- œ^™ 00:24, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per BDD. While the atrazine research is in a sense the catalyst for the gay frogs meme, anyone searching with this term that ends up at that article is likely just going to be confused. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:56, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I just wanted to expand upon my comment a bit, because in hindsight, I could've explained it better. Any attempt to apply human sexuality labels to animals makes certain assumptions. That said, if Hayes's research saw male frogs being attracted to or mating with other male frogs, I wouldn't object to calling that "gay frogs". But it looks like the frogs just saw abnormal sexual development. I may have missed a part about sexual activity with other males. Unless I did, though, retargeting as proposed will just perpetuate a false assertion from a notorious conspiracy theorist. --BDD (talk) 21:30, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Beam energy

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Beam#Streams of particles or energy. There is broad agreement among participants that this is a better target, with the other specific use of this phrase, that of the UK local energy company, now also added to that disambiguation page. ~ mazca ^talk 19:43, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Beam energy → Range (particle radiation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention of beams at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment this gets a huge number of hits as an exact phrase, although some of them are clearly just the energy of a given beam this is not true of all of them, but there is nothing I've found that gives an explanation or overview of the thing (or things?) it is. On google, the primary topic (at least for me) is a (former?) energy supply company for Barking and Dagenham, mentioned at Robin Hood Energy#Partnerships. That would definitely be suitable for an entry on a dab page or hatnote but it doesn't feel like it should be the primary topic - especially if Google gives different results for people who don't geolocate to London (I get broadly similar results in a private window, I can't convince Google to give me any results for anything using Tor browser). Thryduulf (talk) 18:33, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to disambiguation page Beam#Streams of particles or energy which is likely to list what the reader wants. I added the energy provider spotted by @Thryduulf: Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:37, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Beam#Streams of particles or energy to align this with energy beam. - Eureka Lott 23:52, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nom comment the retarget suggestion sounds good. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:14, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Ballade No. two in F major

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Impeachment resolution against Mike DeWine

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:14, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Impeachment resolution against Mike DeWine → Mike DeWine#2020 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

After AfD result of merge, a redirect was created, although that was not the result of the discussion. Note that this page was deleted 3 times under slightly different names!

Speedy WP:G10 was requested, but that was removed with an edit summary of "Decline G10; Mike DeWine was tried for impeachment at some point; the redirect does not imply that she was convicted."

DeWine was never tried for "impeachment". The legislature never acted, thus there was no "resolution". Both words in the redirect title are falsehoods. The removal summary is a falsehood.

When challenged on her/his Talk for sources indicating that DeWine was tried, JJPMaster replied in relevant part: "I removed your G10 tags because the redirects were not inflammatory. The redirect may be misleading, but it is not inflammatory."

Delete:

Wikipedia should not have misleading information.
This redirect is currently the first entry in search results.
Patent nonsense about a non-existant legislative sanction is egregiously derogatory against the subject, and contrary to WP:BLP.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:03, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - DeWine was never impeached. GoodDay (talk) 15:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Impeachment resolution against Gretchen Whitmer

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:13, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Impeachment resolution against Gretchen Whitmer → Gretchen_Whitmer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

After AfD result of delete, a redirect was created, although that was not the result of the discussion.

Speedy WP:G10 was requested, but that was removed with an edit summary of "Decline G10; Gretchen Whitmer was tried for impeachment at some point; the redirect does not imply that she was convicted."

Whitmer was never tried for "impeachment". The legislature never acted, thus there was no "resolution". Both words in the redirect title are falsehoods. The removal summary is a falsehood.

When challenged on her/his Talk for sources indicating that Whitmer was tried, JJPMaster replied in relevant part: "I removed your G10 tags because the redirects were not inflammatory. The redirect may be misleading, but it is not inflammatory."

Delete:

Wikipedia should not have misleading information.
This redirect is currently the first entry in search results.
Patent nonsense about a non-existant legislative sanction is egregiously derogatory against the subject, and contrary to WP:BLP.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:43, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the AfD was a delete, not a redirect, and a redirect should not have been created for the reasons above. Furthermore, "not inflammatory" was not the correct reason to remove the G10. I'd even propose speedy deleting this now, and only restoring if consensus breaks otherwise. SportingFlyer T·C 15:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Whitmer was never impeached. GoodDay (talk) 15:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Emergency use authorization

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European expansion

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:11, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

European expansion → Enlargement of the European Union (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete as ambiguous. May refer to any expansion of Europe throughout history. Soumya-8974 (he) ^talk _contribs ^subpages 07:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete EU=/=Europe; And European expansionism could easily refer to NATO expansion, the expansion of the European world (or known world of Europe's) or "Continental" world (as opposed to Mediterranean world, etc;), expansion of European colonial empires. -- 67.70.26.89 (talk) 03:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Europe and European Union has completely different meaning. The redirect is unclear, is it either expansion of Europe continental or expansion of European Union. WPSamson (talk) 09:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as ambiguous. The EU is not the same as Europe and there are a number of other historical events that could also be valid targets (e.g. Human history#European expansion) 86.23.109.101 (talk) 02:22, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Porsche 929

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:11, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Porsche 929 → Porsche (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not an official concept car ([1]), not mentioned at target, delete. A7V2 (talk) 03:10, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. A fan made rendering, Porsche have never made, announced or concepted a car with this name. Not mentioned at target. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 02:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Akira (2009 film)

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Chaim Leib Tikutinsky

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The result of the discussion was keep. Nomination delete rationale is moot following edits to the target article. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:11, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chaim Leib Tikutinsky → Chaim Leib Tiktinsky (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This spelling variant isn't mentioned in the target. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I added the alternative spelling. Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 00:57, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Dallara F304

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Gordini T24S

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:10, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gordini T24S → Gordini (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention at target. Delete. A7V2 (talk) 00:47, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Simca Gordini T15

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