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Name change

I think the name Iranian attack on Israel is better. This is an attack like never before. In addition, this is an attack with different types of weapons (assuming we will find out later that there was also a cyber dimension and the like). Galamore (talk) 21:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support but this should probably be a move discussion Lukt64 (talk) 21:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. Because someone just forwarded the article without waiting for further opinions.Galamore (talk) 21:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There have been previous strikes on Israel by Iran, so for now let's leave it with the current name. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support as in not calling it anything like Iran-Israel war. Calling it that when all of this could be over a week from now makes no sense to me. Poklane (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The "assuming" is pure WP:CRYSTAL and doesn't have its place here. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. What was this "attack" a response to?

Don't bomb embassies. 2607:FEA8:A4E5:6A00:C057:A3A3:66EE:A4B (talk) 21:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The appropriate title was 2024 Iranian strikes on Israel, the page has been repeatedly moved without discussion. AusLondonder (talk) 21:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add belligerents

Since the US and the UK are shooting down drones they should be added 2A02:3100:5E50:FE00:E00D:4ED6:3FF8:30AE (talk) 21:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source for that? Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unbalanced Background section

The Background section focuses in an extremely WP:UNDUE way on the October 7 attacks and on Hamas, describing them in gruesome detail, while making little mention of the more direct background (the Israeli missile strike) that led to the confrontation. One or two sentences discussing the context (October 7 attacks and Israel-Hamas war) should be fine, but having several paragraphs give it a weight that isn't in the reliable sources and are not needed as immediate background, while the recent escalation of tensions between Iran and Israel could be more elaborated upon. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep I've tried to remove some of it but every time I get an edit conflict. AusLondonder (talk) 21:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest the "Background" section should only discuss in-depth the missile strike and any other events directly connected by WP:RS consensus to the current strikes. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appears to be fixed already, thanks a lot! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for noticing, and aiming to keep it simple and succinct so that this does not become a battleground Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 21:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change to sentence case

As it is, the article is not in sentence case as strikes is not a proper noun. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is due to the article being moved 3 times in 10 seconds, stopping the old name without capital S being used. Lukt64 (talk) 21:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support speedy move per MOS:MILTERMS and WP:MILNAME. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 21:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support speedy move: completely uncontroversial BappleBusiness^[talk] 21:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"ICBM missiles"

The claim in the article that there are ICBMs heading towards Israel doesn't seem substantiated by the source. Not all missiles are ICBMs. There are less than 1000km between Iran and Israel and ICBMs have a range of over 5000km. 109.101.157.168 (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. I removed it. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 April 2024

The request to rename this article to 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel has been carried out.

If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

2024 Iranian Strikes in Israel → 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel – No need to capitalize the word strikes. RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, shouldn't it be "on", not "in"? Triggerhippie4 (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a native English speaker here, but there are the pages 2024 Iranian missile strikes in Iraq and Syria and 2024 Iranian missile strikes in Pakistan. RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support speedy move although the page already exists as a redirect to this article. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is left up to technical requests. Lukt64 (talk) 21:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This page has been listed at WP:RM/T requesting that the undiscussed moves are reverted. AusLondonder (talk) 21:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Military history, WikiProject Palestine, WikiProject Military history/Post-Cold War task force, WikiProject International relations, WikiProject Syria, WikiProject Israel, WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration, WikiProject Yemen, WikiProject Iran, and WikiProject Islam have been notified of this discussion. RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support speedy move to sentence case, we can get consensus for "in" vs "on" later. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support speedy move to revert back to the proper, correct version with the lower case. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 21:39, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. Speedy move to correct sentence case (lowercase S), and 2. the correct preposition "on" (instead of "in" - which would only be correct if they were launched from Israel, which is not the case. Widefox; talk 21:54, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What would be the correct title for the other two pages mentioned above? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support speedy move: completely uncontroversial BappleBusiness^[talk] 21:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add commanders and leaders in lists

add names of Iranian president etc GeopoliticalSphygmomanometry (talk) 21:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Supreme Leader is the de facto leader of Iran, is there any evidence that the President is in charge of the operation? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should it not be 'have yet to reach Israel' instead of 'are yet to reach Israel' ?

73.72.101.57 (talk) 21:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to log in when I made this, fuck. BurnerAcountOneThousandAndOne (talk) 21:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:35, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, thanks anyway BurnerAcountOneThousandAndOne (talk) 21:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]